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I recently had a kidney stone last week and was wondering if it could be from taking creatine or from protein bars and shakes. Anyone ever have one while using either of these ?
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I recently had a kidney stone last week and was wondering if it could be from taking creatine or from protein bars and shakes. Anyone ever have one while using either of these ?
Did the doctor diagnosis it? If so and the doc said it was uric acid stones it could be excessive protein in your diet. Uric acid is a byproduct of protein metabolism. Combine a high protein diet with low number of carbohydrates (high protein/low carbs also reduce the body's ability to absorb calcium) and you are setting yourself up for kidney stones.

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Did the doctor diagnosis it? If so and the doc said it was uric acid stones it could be excessive protein in your diet. Uric acid is a byproduct of protein metabolism. Combine a high protein diet with low number of carbohydrates (high protein/low carbs also reduce the body's ability to absorb calcium) and you are setting yourself up for kidney stones.
I have not taken the stone to a urologist yet to be analyzed. It is dark brown in color. The reason I asked is because I had been taking phoshagen creatine and eating protein bars and whey shakes and then this happened.
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The old man speaks the truth...more than likely it is a calcium stone which can be caused by high protein diets...you really need to increase your fluid intake when taking a lot of protein. I mean 1-1.5gal per day at least.
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I wouldn't take creatine. About 90-95% of it just goes right through your system anyways and is bad for your kidneys etc... Im thin and saw great results on it but as soon as I stopped taking it, I lost the water weight. Not worth it.
A balanced diet is more important. You get plenty of protein.
If you want to gain, eat berries, nuts and a spoon full of honey as soon as you wake up to take your body out of it's catabolic state. I grind up oatmeal and ad that to your shakes along with a scoop of peanutbutter, and wheatgerm. Oh, and barley green is the sectret to life. You should look that shit up. It's the most nutritious thing on the planet.
It taste like grass ( go figure) but you won't even notice it in your shakes.
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Yup, as a high protein, low carb dieter, I can tell you first hand that without plenty of water, some sort of urinary cleanser, and an occasional cranberry juice, you are only setting yourself up for a plethera of uric acid issues.

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There are all kinds of things on the market for urinary cleansing. Just ask your dr. hell i'm sure davbrucas can recommend a few things as well.

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Just start eating some good complex carbs and drink plenty of water.
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Your H20 intake must be a big factor, Ive taken A bunch of supplements in the past, And with everyone it says to drink lots of water!! And creatine mainly puts on weight but mosly water retention... YUCK
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if you have currently took no-explode and you arent taking in lots of fluid(water) you can def get kidney stones! has happened to a number of people i have known!
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WOW I am sure glad this thread was started ..My protein intake is pretty high...SHIIIT thank GOD for this Thread..I had a friend who got kidney stones and he was in so Much pain it was crazy..I want no part of that !!
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Here's the ironic part. I stopped drinking cokes etc right before I started on the protein and creatine and have only been drinking water with occasional lemonade since August. I drink around 1 gallon a day of water.
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yea I need to definitly up my water intake..I am yoyo with it ..its hard to be consistant for me ..
Hey I heard that Ice tea can give you kidney stones also ?
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yea I need to definitly up my water intake..I am yoyo with it ..its hard to be consistant for me ..
Hey I heard that Ice tea can give you kidney stones also ?


It is not the tea but the caffiene that is a diuretic that will cause you to become dehydrated.
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Here's the ironic part. I stopped drinking cokes etc right before I started on the protein and creatine and have only been drinking water with occasional lemonade since August. I drink around 1 gallon a day of water.
Like I said... high protein/low carbohydrate diet will create stones. Don't care how much water you take in.

Either cut down on the protein or up the carbs.

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I've got a cousin that is on dialasys and he said his doctors told him that tea is harder on the kidneys than any soda.

As for the high protien causing the stones, I've been through that, first time I decided to start taking protein shakes. 3 or 4 weeks in I had a kidney stone....

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Like I said... high protein/low carbohydrate diet will create stones. Don't care how much water you take in.

Either cut down on the protein or up the carbs.
not true

Water helps to dilute the uric acid produced and help flush it from your system.

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Water helps to dilute the uric acid produced and help flush it from your system.
Yes true.

Not all kidney stones are uric acid. In fact, the majority of stones of the calcium oxalate variety.

In very high quantities of protein vs. a low ingestion of carbohydrates your body is going to develop much more undissociated uric acid and a very high level of urinary calcium that you might not be able to drink enough water to continually flush it out.

But, y'all go ahead. Keep eating that 300 grams of protein a day and 40 grams of carbs a day and 0 gram of fat diets. Only the big stones really hurt passing.

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Yes true.

Not all kidney stones are uric acid. In fact, the majority of stones of the calcium oxalate variety.

In very high quantities of protein vs. a low ingestion of carbohydrates your body is going to develop much more undissociated uric acid and a very high level of urinary calcium that you might not be able to drink enough water to continually flush it out.

But, y'all go ahead. Keep eating that 300 grams of protein a day and 40 grams of carbs a day and 0 gram of fat diets. Only the big stones really hurt passing.
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<- had 6 kidney stones to date.. and i know of at least one size 4-6 in my left kidney that hasn't come loose yet.
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after my first stone because of high protein diet, i increased water intake and got on a urinary cleanser.

I've yet to get another kidney stone (thank god)

But I have had reoccuring gout from time to time.

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My first seires of them were all Calcium deposits, the 4th and 5th from dehydration and the 6th from an unknown kidney infection/bad diet.

i fuckin hate my kidneys.

i quit drinkin soda, switched to bottled water, etc.
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once I sense any trouble in the kidney area or my urinary tract I take Hydrangea. You can get it at any health food store, it helps to flush out the kidneys, you've got to drink a TON of water and you piss all day but it works

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The one I had was 3 mm and hurt like a bitch. Any of you guys taken one to the urologist to have it analyzed ? I need to do mine but my insurance sucks so I will basically have to foot the whole bill and am afraid the lab test will be high as hell.
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hmm

well ive bene intaking allot of protein and N0 for the past 14 months and ive bene intaking allot of carbs and also take omega oils and milk thistle in pill form and i have bene doing great ..i think i intake about 200 250 grams a day of protein ..other than that i feel fine ...is there anyway that you can get checked to see if one is at high risk for kidney stones ?
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Okay, just so I am prepared, how in the fuck do you know when you are passing one or if you have any in you? And yes, I know the simple answer is "your dick will be a drinking straw with a golfball in it", but I am looking for something more substantial.

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well ive bene intaking allot of protein and N0 for the past 14 months and ive bene intaking allot of carbs and also take omega oils and milk thistle in pill form and i have bene doing great ..i think i intake about 200 250 grams a day of protein ..other than that i feel fine ...is there anyway that you can get checked to see if one is at high risk for kidney stones ?
Sure go to the Dr. and have him do a Uric Acid Test.

Jester - Basically it feels like you pulled a muscled on the left or right side of your lower back. Depending on the size of the stone, the pain is unbearable. From what I understand you could have stones right now, and not know it, as long as they are still attached to the kidney. The pain comes from when the stone detaches from the wall of the kidney and starts making it's travels thru your system.

Actually passing the stone out of the dick is nothing for a small stone, just a little tingle sensation. But for larger stones, a catheder(sp) is required to help bring it out. Also untrasonic sound it used to help break up stones into smaller pieces, and help dislodge them from the kidney as well.

They basically look like microscopic "sticker burrs" with jagged points that stick to the kidney wall lining, but come in all shapes and sizes. They can range in size from under 1mm to several centimeters.

Most people experience the 1mm to 5mm kidney stones.

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Well that's just fucking great. Getting old fucking sucks. I better be fucking rich one day.
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Okay, just so I am prepared, how in the fuck do you know when you are passing one or if you have any in you? And yes, I know the simple answer is "your dick will be a drinking straw with a golfball in it", but I am looking for something more substantial.

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extreme pain in your lower back that won't go away, possible blood in the urine, fever, vomiting, urine that is cloudy and smells pretty bad, the ol' "do I have VD?" burning when you piss.

I haven't passed one but something tells me that when you do pass one, you know it!

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there is no mistaking the pain of passing a stone.

my best description of it, is the sensation of being stabbed in the kidney with an ice pick, while simultaneously having your balls squeezed, really hard.
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my best description of it, is the sensation of being stabbed in the kidney with an ice pick, while simultaneously having your balls squeezed, really hard.
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All about pain tolerance... all about pain tolerance...

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For me it felt like I had to piss but couldn't. Then a little bit came out and all of the sudden it was the worst pain ever. Feels like someone stabbing you in the lower back. MY stomach started hurting and I started having heat flashes and sweating even though I was outside and it was 40 degrees. My blood pressure dropped to 90 over 60 and I started losing consciousness and became delusional. The pain was so severe that there were times where I could not even walk or stand up.
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Ugh I hate kidney stones.

I have had the honor of having 4 stones to date. On number 3 went to a urologist (sp?) and he said it was a calcium stone. Then he just had to check my prostrate.... 31 and checking it already...

Since then I have really tried to drink more water. No fun.

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Thanks for the info, I have been asking myself that same ?.
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