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post #1 of 83 (permalink) Old 01-08-2007, 12:15 PM Thread Starter
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How many people here are completely natural, I'm even talking about not using weight gainers, protein shakes anything like that?

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I'm going to make that my goal. I know its quicker and easier to use weight gainers/alternatives/supplements and anything else, but I want to see where I can get on diet and workout/exercise only.
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Lol, I never had considered whey protein unnatural.
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I don't even eat food.




weight gainers and protein shakes unnatural? gimme a break. They are more "pure" than most of the food you probably stuff your face with.
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weight gainers and protein shakes unnatural? gimme a break. They are more "pure" than most of the food you probably stuff your face with.

So you mean to tell me that all those antibiotic residues are not made by the human body?
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Anyone that doesn't drink protein shakes either has plenty of time and money to prepare "real food", they are getting nice and fat, or they are severly hindering their progress.

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How many people here are completely natural, I'm even talking about not using weight gainers, protein shakes anything like that?
Natural.... Hmmmm, I'm not natural. Never will be. Don't want to be. But I also don't take suppliements. I just like all the work that can be done to your body to make you look absolutely incredible!

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Yeah, just eating an average meals. No supplements.

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Yeah, just eating an average meals. No supplements.
what makes protein shakes unnatural?
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I'm half natural.

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If anyone is intrested it is actually just as easy to get big. In the army I was in rehab for about 7 months. Was allowed to lift for 4 months of this time. Went from 155 (wasnt eating in college) to over 200lbs solid. With good square meals and water it is just as possible to have the gains you can receive with supplements, without using them. I was actually forced to stop lifting them because I was getting too strong. It brought a lot of anger issues with it, but i'm back at my normal weight 185. But the thing is either way, you dont need supplements to get big fast. Just gotta know what you're doing.


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what makes protein shakes unnatural?
nothing, I'm talking just eating normal.

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If anyone is intrested it is actually just as easy to get big. In the army I was in rehab for about 7 months. Was allowed to lift for 4 months of this time. Went from 155 (wasnt eating in college) to over 200lbs solid. With good square meals and water it is just as possible to have the gains you can receive with supplements, without using them. I was actually forced to stop lifting them because I was getting too strong. It brought a lot of anger issues with it, but i'm back at my normal weight 185. But the thing is either way, you dont need supplements to get big fast. Just gotta know what you're doing.


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lol Being a specific weight/strength level doesn't bring about anger issues.

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lol Being a specific weight/strength level doesn't bring about anger issues.
No but being strong, and anger issues arising, that is bad. and that is why they made me stop.

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If anyone is intrested it is actually just as easy to get big. In the army I was in rehab for about 7 months. Was allowed to lift for 4 months of this time. Went from 155 (wasnt eating in college) to over 200lbs solid. With good square meals and water it is just as possible to have the gains you can receive with supplements, without using them. I was actually forced to stop lifting them because I was getting too strong. It brought a lot of anger issues with it, but i'm back at my normal weight 185. But the thing is either way, you dont need supplements to get big fast. Just gotta know what you're doing.


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Actually, most people don't have the appetite to intake the amount of protein needed for maximum natural growth. That's why you take protein shakes. That's not to say you can't grow while on a normal diet, but you aren't making optimal progress more than likely.
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Actually, most people don't have the appetite to intake the amount of protein needed for maximum natural growth. That's why you take protein shakes. That's not to say you can't grow while on a normal diet, but you aren't making optimal progress more than likely.
You'd probably think i was insane if i told you the diet i was doing. But then agian, military food is military food.

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anyways I'm not here to argue about this by no means, i'm just curious to see who all doesnt use supplements or anything.

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Please tell me you aren't really ignorant enough to think that having protein shakes makes you any less "natural"?lol

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Please tell me you aren't really ignorant enough to think that having protein shakes makes you any less "natural"?lol
Protein is unnatural
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Please tell me you aren't really ignorant enough to think that having protein shakes makes you any less "natural"?lol
He's not, this is just his subtle little way of trying to say "I'm better than you".

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He's not, this is just his subtle little way of trying to say "I'm better than you".
at 185 the only thing better about him then me is that he is closer to being anorexic then i am..

also.. "forced to stop lifting because you got to strong and angry".. can you give an example of you being to strong?? what did you bench when you where " to strong?? or Shoulder press?

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at 185 the only thing better about him then me is that he is closer to being anorexic then i am..

also.. "forced to stop lifting because you got to strong and angry".. can you give an example of you being to strong?? what did you bench when you where " to strong?? or Shoulder press?
Don't forget that at 200lbs he was so big and strong that he was having anger issues. What does that mean for guys at our weight? We must be about to explode!

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Don't forget that at 200lbs he was so big and strong that he was having anger issues. What does that mean for guys at our weight? We must be about to explode!
I can barely deal with everyday life I'm so angry.

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If anyone is intrested it is actually just as easy to get big. In the army I was in rehab for about 7 months. [/IMG]
What were you rehabbing?

Based on the acne in the pic I would say that you are/were pretty young which means that you still had high testosterone levels. Wait until you get older and then try and see those same gains without any supplements. With each decade it gets considerably harder.
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I don't do any supplements but I'm not blowing anyone away with strength either, trust me. I just want to be in good shape, not fat like I used to be.
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What were you rehabbing?

Based on the acne in the pic I would say that you are/were pretty young which means that you still had high testosterone levels. Wait until you get older and then try and see those same gains without any supplements. With each decade it gets considerably harder.
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i noticed you didnt reply to my " how strong did you get"?

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at 185 the only thing better about him then me is that he is closer to being anorexic then i am..

also.. "forced to stop lifting because you got to strong and angry".. can you give an example of you being to strong?? what did you bench when you where " to strong?? or Shoulder press?
585 bench, and i'm only 5'9'' so 185 isnt that scronny, but it isnt huge by no means. Too strong... only because of anger issues..

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i noticed you didnt reply to my " how strong did you get"?
I was working on it and military press was 205 free weights, i was shooting for 225 but never made it by the date i was stopped and transfered into a nw unit.

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205.. how many times? i was repping 315 with a torn rotator seated military press and i consider myself a weakling.

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anyways I'm not here to argue about this by no means, i'm just curious to see who all doesnt use supplements or anything.
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Don't forget that at 200lbs he was so big and strong that he was having anger issues. What does that mean for guys at our weight? We must be about to explode!

face it.. you're an animal.!!! RRAWR!!

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205.. how many times? i was repping 315 with a torn rotator seated military press and i consider myself a weakling.
I've the same issue, but I've a winged scapula and a few other problems with it.
my shoulder is pretty much jacked, the dr's wont fix it.

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205.. how many times? i was repping 315 with a torn rotator seated military press and i consider myself a weakling.
do u have the bar infront of ur shoulders or behind?

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I've the same issue, but I've a winged scapula and a few other problems with it.
my shoulder is pretty much jacked, the dr's wont fix it.
my doc told me i would never bench over 100lbs again. till recently i was reppting 505 on the bench..

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my doc told me i would never bench over 100lbs again. till recently i was reppting 505 on the bench..
dr's lie.

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do u have the bar infront of ur shoulders or behind?
Bar behind != military press. thats behind the neck press. can because of my injury i had to use a machine. on that i could rep 4 plates per side..
seated military (bar in front) i was hitting 315

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Bar behind != military press. thats behind the neck press. can because of my injury i had to use a machine. on that i could rep 4 plates per side..
seated military (bar in front) i was hitting 315
thats cool.

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I just diet. No shakes or extra stuff. If I were working out I might try a shake or something. I have lost a lot of weight (245>188) but have lost some muscle too.

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I just diet. No shakes or extra stuff. If I were working out I might try a shake or something. I have lost a lot of weight (245>188) but have lost some muscle too.
that is awesome.

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I was working on it and military press was 205 free weights, i was shooting for 225 but never made it by the date i was stopped and transfered into a nw unit.

That doesn't compute. You bench 585, but can't military 225? My bench isn't even 500 and I can rep 225 on military.

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I wonder why he put in the Biology major/premed thing? He isnt even through with college, so how can he expect us to have respect for his knowledge when it simply doesnt exist? Oh yeah, doctors dont lie.
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....Oh yeah, doctors dont lie.
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That doesn't compute. You bench 585, but can't military 225? My bench isn't even 500 and I can rep 225 on military.
where did he say he benched 585?

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585 bench, and i'm only 5'9'' so 185 isnt that scronny, but it isnt huge by no means. Too strong... only because of anger issues..

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If he indeed benches 585 while weighing in at 185 and put on 45lbs of muscle in 4 months then he is not all-natural unless he is a freak with a dangerously high test level. That's over 3 times his body weight. I bet the 585 was a typo and he meant 385 or 285.
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Yeah, I wondered if you were going to take offense to that.

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Oh yeah, doctors dont lie.
My doctor lied to me in October.

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He didnt lie...he gave you the best information that he has available to him. MOST Achilles ruptures take a long time to heal. And most people are not as obsessive as you are about physical therapy. Also, the amount of time that he tells you to take it easy postop is inversely proportional to his confidence in his surgical skills.
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He didnt lie...he gave you the best information that he has available to him. MOST Achilles ruptures take a long time to heal. And most people are not as obsessive as you are about physical therapy. Also, the amount of time that he tells you to take it easy postop is inversely proportional to his confidence in his surgical skills.
I know, I know, I was be sarcastic.

I know the doc pretty well (friend before surgery) and he was all about "settling me down" because he knew as soon as I got the cast off I was going to test it.

I was really aggressive with physical therapy and had a great PT and assistant.

About the only thing the doc talked me into was taking off my clipless pedals and riding flat pedals for a month before locking my foot back into the pedal. I managed that for almost a month before I changed the pedals back out again.

I'm also lucky in that I work at home so I get to "PT" most of the day and ice at will. Lots of glycine, lysine, 3MG of Vitamin C a day, glucosamine... and I'm good to go.

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