Originally Posted by 5111
How long ago was that and what did you do to see the major gains?
i started liftin at 20.. i was 165, and my trianing parter was 175ish.
we trained HARD for 2.5 years.. in that time i took 3 months off to recoupe a rotator cuff tear, and 3 for an elbow injury.. so...2.5 -6 months and factor in the recoup time from the injurys.
when i started i could push up 225 2-3 times.. after the 2.5 years i was 265 and was maxing about 485 on bench, and could DEEP squat 600lbs for reps.after that i hurt my back that put me out of lifting for about 2 years..
i started back but couldnt get into it consistantly so i never really got anywhere..
for the last 2 years i have done the train for 3 .. no train for 3 month thing.. but recently i started training fairly consistantly. at the begining of the year i was repping 365 for sets of 15 on the bench and decided on a bench day to jump from 225 warm up right to 405 and rep it. well i didnt warm up enough and re-injured my shoulder so went back down to a 135 bench.. now im back up to repping 405 for 5-8 reps per set.. and i fluctuate from 288-298lbs depending on intake.. my training partner saw similar results. both of us were 100% natural.
keep in mind right now im 28% body fat. at 265 i was around 15-16%. I didnt get fat till i stopped lifting, and just havent put the effort into my cardio that i need to.
in the 2.5 years i put on 6" on my arms ( went from 14 to 20) and right now im around 21".
i was a freakin WIMP.. and i busted my ass for what i have.. so all the ppl saying " but you are big already" .. IMO thats just a cop out. i wasnt big.. i made myself big through hard work and determination. I approach my lifting as a science. i experiment with excercises and find what works.. and then implement it. I learn how the Ex's affect muscles in a primary and secondary way and then go from there..
Basically.. if you DONT have the genetics.. juice will help you gain but you will lose it once you get off the juice...