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It's been 1 year!

Didn't notice the difference untill I put the pics next to each other. Take pics they let you realize your gains!
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wtf happened to the hair on your chest?

I always see before and after pics and the after pics never have hair>>>WTF

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wtf happened to the hair on your chest?

I always see before and after pics and the after pics never have hair>>>WTF
I have hair it's just trimed. A little advice never shave your chest!!! The reason though is It feels cleaner/smoother and you're able to notice definition better without hair covering you up.
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Didn't notice the difference untill I put the pics next to each other. Take pics they let you realize your gains!
WOW! Like the pic with no hair better! A guy with a lot of hair like that is just a turn off! Good Job looking GREAT!





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pecs and shoulders a little bigger, not much else that I can really tell other than you are a bit more tan. Yeah, shaving is bad if you are a hairy mofo, but I do take the trimmer every week and just run it over the skin. Since the hair is pretty fine it doesn't stick up like stubble and most people have to get pretty close to notice.
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pecs and shoulders a little bigger, not much else that I can really tell other than you are a bit more tan.
I'm not really trying to bulk up as much as build muscle density. I have gained 60lbs of lean mass(BF at ~15% in both pics), 1.5" on arms, and 2" on my neck. It is a slow road, but worth the time.
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I'm not really trying to bulk up as much as build muscle density. I have gained 60lbs of lean mass(BF at ~15% in both pics), 1.5" on arms, and 2" on my neck. It is a slow road, but worth the time.
Are you saying that between the first and second picture you gained 60lbs?
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Are you saying that between the first and second picture you gained 60lbs?
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I'm sorry bro but I doubt you have gained 60lbs. between those pics. Maybe 20-30 but not very likely 60. I have gained about 30lbs in the past and had increases in size two times what you have.
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60lbs? Really hard to believe from the pics. Good steady progress, but 60lbs?

Go to the grocery store and look at a 6 lbs sirlion roast. Multiple that density and size by 10.

Unless you are about 8' 9" tall, 60lbs is a little bit of a strech!

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60lbs??? I dont think so. I've gained 30lbs in last 3 1/2 months and i look way different. To bad i dont have any before pics.

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Muscle density? I know that each person has a certain number of muscle threads in their body and the body doesn't grow anymore fibers (except in extreme cases), but how do you build up muscle density, the fiber grows larger allowing for an increase in strength...I'm lost.

Also, if that is 15% BF then I've got to be around 25% and I know that ain't right

If everything is on the up and up then congrats to you, but it is kinda hard to believe.
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I'm sorry bro but I doubt you have gained 60lbs. between those pics. Maybe 20-30 but not very likely 60. I have gained about 30lbs in the past and had increases in size two times what you have.
If so lets see a pic? Like I said I did not gain any body fat, in fact I lost some. You may have got larger but not from lean mass.
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60lbs? Really hard to believe from the pics. Good steady progress, but 60lbs?

Unless you are about 8' 9" tall, 60lbs is a little bit of a strech!
I'm 6' 195lbs @ 9% BF as tested today(17.5" neck, ~43" chest, 16.25" arms, 23" thighs, 15.5" calves). The first pic I weighed 135lbs. I have gained a lot of weight in my legs which is not visible in the pics.
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Muscle density? I know that each person has a certain number of muscle threads in their body and the body doesn't grow anymore fibers (except in extreme cases), but how do you build up muscle density, the fiber grows larger allowing for an increase in strength...I'm lost.

Also, if that is 15% BF then I've got to be around 25% and I know that ain't right

If everything is on the up and up then congrats to you, but it is kinda hard to believe.
True there are a certain number of muscle threads, but you are able to increase the density of them by the type of workouts you do, supplements you take, etc.. For example if you take creatin your muscles will become larger from being more hydrated (the balloon look). But if you take Probolic/anabolic suppliments they will not hydrate your muscles as much but will increase your bodys ability to produce more muscle tissue. If you go all natural just a lot of protein, vitamins, and natural supplements it will take longer to gain as much size, but you will be much stronger per size(density).

P.S. I got tested today while at the gym and I correct myself I am now at 9% BF.
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To all non-believers

Since so many of you doubt my statements I have taken some pics so that you should be able to see the gains more visibly.

Note: The first pics posted were a relaxed pose just to document my gains for myself. Here are some flexed pics that hopefully will show my gains a little better.
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I wish I was naturally lean, I used to be, but my genetics have taken over. I have to actually eat good, and do cardio.

I am just a big fat turd.


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Since so many of you doubt my statements I have taken some pics so that you should be able to see the gains more visibly.

Note: The first pics posted were a relaxed pose just to document my gains for myself. Here are some flexed pics that hopefully will show my gains a little better.
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It's hard to believe you were only 135 in the first pic, I am roughly the same build but shorter and 150 lbs. Nice gains though, keep it up.
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I wish I was naturally lean, I used to be, but my genetics have taken over. I have to actually eat good, and do cardio.
I'm am naturally lean, but it takes more than genetics. I am a ecto-mesomorph (for those of you who know what I'm talking about). So I still have to work hard to keep a low bodyfat while trying to build muscle. I do cardio 3 to 4 times a week for about 30-45mins, and eat somewhat healthy.
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If so lets see a pic? Like I said I did not gain any body fat, in fact I lost some. You may have got larger but not from lean mass.
I don't have any pics from last year or I would post them. The only ones I have are in my thread called "one month" and I haven't gained any weight during that period. My waist has gotten about 2" smaller and arms about 1-2" larger so I have gained some lean mass but lost some BF% although I do not know how much.
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I don't have any pics from last year or I would post them. The only ones I have are in my thread called "one month" and I haven't gained any weight during that period. My waist has gotten about 2" smaller and arms about 1-2" larger so I have gained some lean mass but lost some BF% although I do not know how much.
That was you!?!?!?! I've have viewed your thread, and I can hardly tell difference. Honestly you have no room to talk, so if you would be so kind and stop talking shit!!! If you want to put your gains to a test, let me know, you are more than welcome to come workout with me. If you are up to the challenge we will see which has room to talk?!?!
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That was you!?!?!?! I've have viewed your thread, and I can hardly tell difference. Honestly you have no room to talk, so if you would be so kind and stop talking shit!!! If you want to put your gains to a test, let me know, you are more than welcome to come workout with me. If you are up to the challenge we will see which has room to talk?!?!
Look jackass, I'm not the one saying I've gained 60lbs when all I've really gained is a tan and shaved the hair off my chest. I was laid up in the hospital for some time, had surgery and now finally getting back into working out again and yes, I have gained some size over the last month. Honestly, I am not talking shit, just stating the obvious that there is no way in hell you have gained 60lbs. And why do you feel the need to compare yourself to mine? A fucking third grader could tell you have a lower BF% than I do.
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im a 28% bloated fat ass.. if you want to move some weight.. you are MORE then welcome to join me in plano for a work out....just let me know when you are free and i will give you my schedule.. im willing to put my bear keg Gut to the test vs yourf new 60lbs of muscle instead of you picking on Kev who was in hospital...
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im a 28% bloated fat ass.. if you want to move some weight.. you are MORE then welcome to join me in plano for a work out....just let me know when you are free and i will give you my schedule.. im willing to put my bear keg Gut to the test vs yourf new 60lbs of muscle instead of you picking on Kev who was in hospital...
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10 lbs of sirloin, which would be about the same fat %, 15%. For the math challenged, you would need 6 of those side by side for 60lbs.

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im a 28% bloated fat ass.. if you want to move some weight.. you are MORE then welcome to join me in plano for a work out....just let me know when you are free and i will give you my schedule.. im willing to put my bear keg Gut to the test vs yourf new 60lbs of muscle instead of you picking on Kev who was in hospital...
I'm not picking on anyone. "Kev" stated that he only gained 20-30lbs and got a lot bigger than I. "He was in the hospital", yea I see his scar, look a little closer at the pic of my back, notice a scar about 1-1/2 foot long down my spine(its called spinal fusion). Look, I know BF% has nothing to do with strength but that's not what I'm focused on right now. White Lightning you are actually one of the only people I ever agree with in these threads and wouldn't mind going to your workout. I'm not as strong but will last.
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Look jackass, I'm not the one saying I've gained 60lbs when all I've really gained is a tan and shaved the hair off my chest. I was laid up in the hospital for some time, had surgery and now finally getting back into working out again and yes, I have gained some size over the last month. Honestly, I am not talking shit, just stating the obvious that there is no way in hell you have gained 60lbs. And why do you feel the need to compare yourself to mine? A fucking third grader could tell you have a lower BF% than I do.
First off I'm not just saying it! Anyone who knows what the fuck they are looking at would be able to tell how different the pics are. You are the one who started the comparisons remember "I have gained about 30lbs in the past and had increases in size two times what you have." so don't give me that shit. Obviously I've made a mistake in trying to share my progress, the only thing this board is good for is doubt and bitching.
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do you have any " before" pics of you flexing? might be easier to see the differences in size...

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do you have any " before" pics of you flexing? might be easier to see the differences in size...
No, I wish I did. I wasn't into bodybuilding as much back then. I was just concerned with gaining some weight.
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You are the one who started the comparisons remember "I have gained about 30lbs in the past and had increases in size two times what you have." so don't give me that shit.
I made the comparison to last year when I gained about 30lbs. My gains in size judged by measuring, although I do not have any pictures to show, were twice what you said you have seen from gaining 60lbs. If you are convinced you have put on 60lbs then so be it, I am not going to upset you anymore by arguing that you haven't.
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haha, so you're into bodybuilding huh? Sorry, just takes a lil more...like roids or andro. Im not downing you man, you look to be in decent shape. And i, like the others, am saying that you didn't gain 60 pounds unless you grew about 2 inches. Sorry man, im not calling you a liar, i just know more than to believe that. And the meat comparison is not completely true for those other guys. Cow muscle doesn't have the same density, fat %, and structure as human muscle. But those are some decent gains. I've grown a bit more than that and have been natural for the most part, and its only been around 20lbs maybe 30.
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haha, so you're into bodybuilding huh? Sorry, just takes a lil more...like roids or andro. Im not downing you man, you look to be in decent shape. And i, like the others, am saying that you didn't gain 60 pounds unless you grew about 2 inches. Sorry man, im not calling you a liar, i just know more than to believe that. And the meat comparison is not completely true for those other guys. Cow muscle doesn't have the same density, fat %, and structure as human muscle. But those are some decent gains. I've grown a bit more than that and have been natural for the most part, and its only been around 20lbs maybe 30.
What weighs more a pound of rocks or a pound of feathers?

So tell me ruuuuufffffdaddy, what is the density of human lean tissue and what is the density of bovine lean tissue?

I'll take it the the closest tenth of a gram per ml.

Are you an MD or a DVM?
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What an idiot, They weigh the same, yet have different density. Thats my whole point. I dont know The exact difference in density and all that, but know better than to believe that cows and humans are the same. And where did you come from anyways? Go back to the couch where you belong. And what would being a MD or DVM have anything to do with it? Do MD's study cows? No moron. So it has no relation to the statement or argument. Therefore is irrelevant.
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What an idiot, They weigh the same, yet have different density. Thats my whole point. I dont know The exact difference in density and all that, but know better than to believe that cows and humans are the same. And where did you come from anyways? Go back to the couch where you belong. And what would being a MD or DVM have anything to do with it? Do MD's study cows? No moron. So it has no relation to the statement or argument. Therefore is irrelevant.
No moron, but DVM's do, duh...

Oh yea, by the way, moron, bovine and human lean tissue are comparably the same at 1.1 grams/ml. Fat at about .9 grams/ml.

Therefore, you are irrelevant.

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damn guys, he said he gained a bunch in the legs which you can't see in the pics...

he sounds like he knows WTF he's talking about, it doesn't look like a 60lb gain, but I have no reason not to believe him... hell, he could have gained a few lbs in bone density too...

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Prove it gimp. I dont believe you. And im sure you gained 60 lbs of muscle without showing it either didn't you? A cows body temperature is also higher than a humans, but that too has no relevance to the topic. With that said, go ahead and make another cow vs human analogy.
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And the meat comparison is not completely true for those other guys. Cow muscle doesn't have the same density, fat %, and structure as human muscle.
Really? Wow, you must be a physiologist or something, huh?

The density, while not a perfectly accurate estimate, is comparable.

60lbs of lean human tissue is comparable to 60lbs of lean tissue of a cow. Especially when comparing a particulary lean cut of meat like sirloin.

A more accurate comparison of human muscle density/structure/attachment is that of a common house cat. Which is why cats are used in physiology classes at universities.

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No, I wish I did. I wasn't into bodybuilding as much back then. I was just concerned with gaining some weight.
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hey so instead of everyone bitching and 90redlx having almost no one believe you, show your leg gains... do you have a before and after pic? I would say you had to have pretty scrawny legs before if you gained most of the muscle in your legs, I'm guessing 40-45lbs in the leg area.
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60 lbs is ALOT of weight, what did you weigh before and what do you weigh now? hey if you say you gained 60 pounds well shit i guess you gained 60 pounds, i can see it. anyways props to you, you look ten times better than my skinny ass.
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ok now i see you weighed 135 in the first pic....to me it honestly looks like you weigh alittle more than that in that pic but i could be wrong
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