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HD TV looks better on a HD rabbit ears

than the satellite.

I am trying to figure this out. I am almost certain the regular HD rabbit ears has a better picture. I was comparing channel 5 on the satellite to the channell 5 on the antennae and it has a completely different color tint, and seems crisper. I am running an hdmi cable from the satellite box, so I don't get it.

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than the satellite.

I am trying to figure this out. I am almost certain the regular HD rabbit ears has a better picture. I was comparing channel 5 on the satellite to the channell 5 on the antennae and it has a completely different color tint, and seems crisper. I am running an hdmi cable from the satellite box, so I don't get it.

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You are correct... OTA HD will almost always be better looking than that of cable or sat. Reason being, it is wide open bandwidth, no condensing it to fit a packet on a network or a switch, no compression for transmission into space.

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So, no matter what service provider, or hdmi cable, the OTA hd will always be better. FTL....

OK, next question, does it make a difference what HDMI cable I use for my blu ray player?

Basically, I am working with a 46' Samsung 1080p, LCD, 60hz tv, and I am starting to be dissatisfied with it.
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So, no matter what service provider, or hdmi cable, the OTA hd will always be better. FTL....

OK, next question, does it make a difference what HDMI cable I use for my blu ray player?

Basically, I am working with a 46' Samsung 1080p, LCD, 60hz tv, and I am starting to be dissatisfied with it.
I have never had a problem with the $4 ones from Monoprice.com

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Well, then maybe the tv has issues. Seems to be kind of blochy alot. My dad made the comment the faces look painted on people. Maybe I just need to mess with the settings.
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Well, then maybe the tv has issues. Seems to be kind of blochy alot. My dad made the comment the faces look painted on people. Maybe I just need to mess with the settings.
Go to AVSforums and pop in your model number and see if someone has posted the correct settings for the video, that could help.

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There are also different versions of HDMI cables. 1.3 is the latest I believe.
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There are also different versions of HDMI cables. 1.3 is the latest I believe.
I think it is 1.3a but dont hold me to that

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what tv and what satellite do you have?
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My HD channels looks awesome over DISH. I also have all my equipment hooked up via HDMI 1.3a cabling.

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Technically 1.4 is the newest, it allows for higher resoultions when connected between a computer and a monitor/TV and allows for 3D over HDMI.

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I think it is 1.3a but dont hold me to that
I am not sure which cable I have. It is a monster cable I bought with the tv 2 years ago. I have looked at the cable in the past and haven't found any markings. Anyway to find out which one it is?

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what tv and what satellite do you have?
I have the LN-4695D Samsung, and the Satellite is Dishnetwork Turbo. The installers had to upgrade the wiring in the house to a newer version, from what I was told at install. And since I didn't get charged for that, I am assuming that is not BS.

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My HD channels looks awesome over DISH. I also have all my equipment hooked up via HDMI 1.3a cabling.
I almost have to say Time Warners feed looked crisper and I hate time warner. I had it in Mesquite, and the service they provided sucked.
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My HD looks better over the air too. I'm pretty sure it's getting a much better signal. Traveling 60 miles to your source, rather than to space and back, has to account for something.
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Compression, compression, compression.

Cable and Satellite providers compress their signals to fit more channels in their limited bandwidth. On the other hand, the signal you get over the air from your local station is almost always uncompressed, so you end up with a richer, more dynamic picture (in most cases).

Think of if as listening to music from a CD vs. an MP3.

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Compression, compression, compression.

Cable and Satellite providers compress their signals to fit more channels in their limited bandwidth. On the other hand, the signal you get over the air from your local station is almost always uncompressed, so you end up with a richer, more dynamic picture (in most cases).

Think of if as listening to music from a CD vs. an MP3.
This guy explained it the best. When you watch HD via antenna the image hasn't been compressed by the station, when you watch HD via satellite or cable, they have to compress it because they have a limited amount of bandwidth to work with. For example:

AT&T Uverse only has the capacity for 25 mbps to come into your home, out of that 18 mbps are for the internet/phone, and only 7 mbps are left for all of your HD/SD channels.

I use to sell Fios and I would have it in a heartbeat if I didn't live in an AT&T area, so I've got Charter. Charter actually changed things up a while back and compressed the shit out of my speedvision. It looks like crap, I almost wish I was paying for the HD service, but I don't care about it that much.

When it comes down to it, its all about the bandwitch and how much compression they will have to do to get everything to fit.
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What are you guys using for an OTA antenna? I've seen some of the attic installed big ones. What options other than rabbit ears or some giant thing you have to rig up on a pole on the side of your house? Sorry, it's been a while since I even considered an OTA antenna.
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What are you guys using for an OTA antenna? I've seen some of the attic installed big ones. What options other than rabbit ears or some giant thing you have to rig up on a pole on the side of your house? Sorry, it's been a while since I even considered an OTA antenna.
there is a powered bar style antenna that works fairly well. you can put that in the attic or under the eve of your house.

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I have never had a problem with the $4 ones from Monoprice.com

DO NOT pay for Monster Cable - a coat hanger does as good of a job as a Monster AV cable.
Actually if you know what you are talking about you would know that the Monster cable is superior because it blocks outside interference to the signal over long runs.

Monster cable is not needed if your TV is on top of your dvd player or whatever but if you have a couple foot run I would definitely use monster.
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Not only that the cheap cables are usually not HDMI certified and result in crappy picture and those ugly ass lines and noise on the screen.
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Actually if you know what you are talking about you would know that the Monster cable is superior because it blocks outside interference to the signal over long runs.
first of all this statement is only true if you are talking about ANALOG cables. yes there are varying levels of performance between analog cables.

secondly, what it is superior to? yes, it's superior to most of the freebie stuff that comes in the box when you are talking about speaker cable, red/white stereo audio cables, composite/s/component video cables, but there are plenty of other brands out there that it is not superior to. monster makes mediocre stuff, they also make some really nice things. end of story.


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Not only that the cheap cables are usually not HDMI certified and result in crappy picture and those ugly ass lines and noise on the screen.
pretty much everything sold as an HDMI cable in the US that's labeled HDMI has will pass bandwidth as defined by its HDMI certifcation level (1.0-1.3b)

there will be 0 difference in picture or sound quality from a $3 monoprice hdmi cable and a $30 monster cable hdmi cable. period.
the same goes with fiber optic and digital coaxial.

if you disagree, by all means keep spending 1000% higher.

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OTA will look substantially better, it isn't your cable. And all of the talk about cable quality is pretty much BS in my opinion. Whether your cable cost $150 dollars and has 24k gold connectors and nitrogen injected gases in the insulation it will look identical to a $13.29 cable from monoprice.com.

I've read reviews for years on cabling. At 100ft an extremely expensive monster audio cable went head to head against a mystery brand. The mystery cable came out almost identical.... what was it? A 1978 extension cord. Probably one of the best examples of how ridiculously over marketed products there are out there. The only new invention I've seen as far as interconnects and power in the last 15 years that actually did something was clean power modules.

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Actually if you know what you are talking about you would know that the Monster cable is superior because it blocks outside interference to the signal over long runs.

Monster cable is not needed if your TV is on top of your dvd player or whatever but if you have a couple foot run I would definitely use monster.
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Actually if you know what you are talking about you would know that the Monster cable is superior because it blocks outside interference to the signal over long runs.

Monster cable is not needed if your TV is on top of your dvd player or whatever but if you have a couple foot run I would definitely use monster.
Sounds like you fell for the hype on the back of the monster package. Seriously compare cables from monoprice before making up your mind. I have a 30' run of HDMI from my reciever to my projector and I have an extremely clean signal. I have used monster in the past and it looked great but I have never noticed any difference from the cheaper stuff to a certain point. Of course it will out preform the crap that companies throw in the box with TV's and recievers.
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Actually if you know what you are talking about you would know that the Monster cable is superior because it blocks outside interference to the signal over long runs.

Monster cable is not needed if your TV is on top of your dvd player or whatever but if you have a couple foot run I would definitely use monster.
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Actually if you know what you are talking about you would know that the Monster cable is superior because it blocks outside interference to the signal over long runs.

Monster cable is not needed if your TV is on top of your dvd player or whatever but if you have a couple foot run I would definitely use monster.
Unfortunately you're a marketing victim. Although you're ego has been smashed, you can at least save yourself some money from now on. I've had runs so long I needed amplifiers, and I've never seen any degradation.
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Actually if you know what you are talking about you would know that the Monster cable is superior because it blocks outside interference to the signal over long runs.

Monster cable is not needed if your TV is on top of your dvd player or whatever but if you have a couple foot run I would definitely use monster.
I know that ANY insulated AV cable is better than a non-insulated cable or "coat hanger" if you are really sold on a $69+ Monster cable over a $14 one from Monoprice or something else similar....then I have a dozen Monster TurbineŽ connectors to sell you

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then I have a dozen Monster TurbineŽ connectors to sell you
what kinda cables do you mean by turbine connectors? if you got some m-series audio cables or speaker cables i'm interested.

i snagged a set of m650i for $8 on ebay.
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what kinda cables do you mean by turbine connectors? if you got some m-series audio cables or speaker cables i'm interested.

i snagged a set of m650i for $8 on ebay.
I don't have any....I used to win that shit all the time, but I would sell it on ebay to make $$. I was just messing w/ the guy that swallowed the Monster Cable brochure.

At least since Noel Lee refuses to go anywhere w/ out his gay-ass segway it makes it easier for him to cup his balls.

And I am not joking about that at all. We had a meeting w/ the honcho's from MC at our Corp. HQ and it was actually a pretty small meeting (maybe around 30 people) and Noel Lee refused to get off that damn scooter at all.... drove it around the HQ's even drove it up to the podium for his little rah-rah speech. What a FAG!

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I don't have any....I used to win that shit all the time, but I would sell it on ebay to make $$. I was just messing w/ the guy that swallowed the Monster Cable brochure.

At least since Noel Lee refuses to go anywhere w/ out his gay-ass segway it makes it easier for him to cup his balls.

And I am not joking about that at all. We had a meeting w/ the honcho's from MC at our Corp. HQ and it was actually a pretty small meeting (maybe around 30 people) and Noel Lee refused to get off that damn scooter at all.... drove it around the HQ's even drove it up to the podium for his little rah-rah speech. What a FAG!
Not a single picture of him off of his segway.

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what a douchebag, I hate monster even more now.
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I am not saying buy the Monster Cable, but go ahead and buy those $4 cables and see how long they last and how good the signal is. The recommendation was to buy the $4 cable vs buying a more expensive insulated cable.

Go ahead and buy the cheap one I don't really care, but you will regret it. I don't buy Monster Cable but I sure as fuck don't buy the cheapest thing I get my hands on, that is what seperates me from ninjas I guess.
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I am not saying buy the Monster Cable, but go ahead and buy those $4 cables and see how long they last and how good the signal is. The recommendation was to buy the $4 cable vs buying a more expensive insulated cable.

Go ahead and buy the cheap one I don't really care, but you will regret it. I don't buy Monster Cable but I sure as fuck don't buy the cheapest thing I get my hands on, that is what seperates me from ninjas I guess.
Seperates you from ninjas? Care to elaborate on that statement?

Also no one said buy the cheapest shit out there. I believe the majority of AV people on here shop at monoprice along with alot of AV people on dedicated AV forums. Surf over to some of those dedicated AV forums and tell them monster cable is the shit and see what they tell you. I promise it will be tame compared to what we say and they will throw specs at you all day long.

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We had a meeting w/ the honcho's from MC at our Corp. HQ and it was actually a pretty small meeting (maybe around 30 people) and Noel Lee refused to get off that damn scooter at all.... drove it around the HQ's even drove it up to the podium for his little rah-rah speech. What a FAG!
yea, i hear that guy is an fn tool. hell the whole company is a pretty ruthless organization.

i was suppose to go to the Monster HQ in NorCal for hitting presidents club like 3 months in a row at circuit shitty. then circuit started changing for the worse and started cutting costs and they dropped the program. sucked cause i've heard some of the stories of guys who went out there, it's a blast. bad ass dinners, hotels, cars, and clubs.. they sure know how to use that profit margin to have a good time.

<--- have probably sold over $100K in monster cable accessories over 5 years of a/v sales. some of it i regret.

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Seperates you from ninjas? Care to elaborate on that statement?

Also no one said buy the cheapest shit out there. I believe the majority of AV people on here shop at monoprice along with alot of AV people on dedicated AV forums. Surf over to some of those dedicated AV forums and tell them monster cable is the shit and see what they tell you. I promise it will be tame compared to what we say and they will through specs at you all day long.
it's not worth it man. the guy thinks certain cables arent "going to last" as long cause they arent sheilded.

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I think they won't last because the connectors used on the cable are cheaper than dirt, not because of the shielding.

And sure I care to elaborate.

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I am not saying buy the Monster Cable, but go ahead and buy those $4 cables and see how long they last and how good the signal is. The recommendation was to buy the $4 cable vs buying a more expensive insulated cable.

Go ahead and buy the cheap one I don't really care, but you will regret it. I don't buy Monster Cable but I sure as fuck don't buy the cheapest thing I get my hands on, that is what seperates me from ninjas I guess.
You won't regret it, ignore people like this. I can assure you the populace of this thread has far more experience. I usually find inexperienced people promoting Monster Cable - that is their audience. Few and far between will you find these ridiculously over marketed interconnects on extremely high dollar systems. You'll see tens of thousands of dollars in components, and generic interconnects. After you have a lot of experience you understand where the money should and should not go.
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I think they won't last because the connectors used on the cable are cheaper than dirt, not because of the shielding.

And sure I care to elaborate.

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in other words he regrets calling us stupid uneducated african americans which rig stuff up and do not spend money on interconnects to his standard.

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Few and far between will you find these ridiculously over marketed interconnects on extremely high dollar systems. You'll tens of thousands of dollars in components, and generic interconnects - because after you have a lot of experience you understand where the money should, and should not go.
i usually see the opposite on high dollar systems but when i say high dollar systems i mean very high dollar.

then again if i have a seperate monoblock amp per speaker im going to spend some coin on the XLR connector and the speaker cable.

check out kimber kable or analysis plus, they make monster cable look dirt cheap. my current front speakers that i bought from a friend used to be hooked up with $1500 custom tri-wire speaker cables from kimber.
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i usually see the opposite on high dollar systems but when i say high dollar systems i mean very high dollar.

then again if i have a seperate monoblock amp per speaker im going to spend some coin on the XLR connector and the speaker cable.

check out kimber kable or analysis plus, they make monster cable look dirt cheap. my current front speakers that i bought from a friend used to be hooked up with $1500 custom tri-wire speaker cables from kimber.
Well, I guess what I'm saying is on high dollar systems built by audiophiles you don't usually see them suckered into it. But yes, I understand what you're saying. I set up a system for a friend's father with all McIntosh components and he would not accept anything but overpriced monster cable.
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Monster cable is good stuff period. It is also so grossly overpriced that I would NEVER buy pretty much anything from them at retail price. That being said about 95% of all my A/V connections are monster cable but I am buying it at 60-80% off retail prices. Here is an example of something I bought about a month ago.

Here is the new Monster Cable HDMI cable in an 8' length P/N, M2000 compared to the specs of other cables it outperforms. I paid $34 shipped which is a reasonable price for an 8' cable. Now go google this cable or go to a A/V store and you will find that the retail price is about $250. Sure I could of got one for $10 but for a few more bucks I have a top of the line cable. This also shows what a disgusting markup thay have on their products. If this guy can sell them for $34 bucks shipped then what did he give for them?

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Monster-M200...item3359d1ceb3

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That's what I am talking about Inline good post. Unlike that hippie 5.0CJ.
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That's what I am talking about Inline good post. Unlike that hippie 5.0CJ.
Dont toot my horn. 5.0_CJ knows WTF he's talking about I can assure you that. I just happen to like some of the monster products I just refuse to pay the price. I feel like I am getting over on them in the end because of how cheap I am picking up their stuff. It is keeping the $$ away from those greedy folks. I dont honestly know how they feel ok with putting some of the price tags on the stuff they do even though it may be good stuff.

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I am just kidding heh
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Monster cable is good stuff period. It is also so grossly overpriced that I would NEVER buy pretty much anything from them at retail price. That being said about 95% of all my A/V connections are monster cable but I am buying it at 60-80% off retail prices. Here is an example of something I bought about a month ago.

Here is the new Monster Cable HDMI cable in an 8' length P/N, M2000 compared to the specs of other cables it outperforms. I paid $34 shipped which is a reasonable price for an 8' cable. Now go google this cable or go to a A/V store and you will find that the retail price is about $250. Sure I could of got one for $10 but for a few more bucks I have a top of the line cable. This also shows what a disgusting markup thay have on their products. If this guy can sell them for $34 bucks shipped then what did he give for them?

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Monster-M200...item3359d1ceb3
OK but your still falling for the hype. I would like to see some concrete evindence that 2 comparative cables, one from monster and one from monoprice, create differen results to the end user. Untill then, you still paid about $24 too much for that cable according to your example. I use all monoprice stuff in my AV setup and its incredible in both sound and video IMO. I have used monster side by side in the past with generic stuff and never noticed a difference. All the reviews I read have just backed that up.

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First a ninja and now a hippie huh? I can promise you CJ is not black or a tree hugger, lol.
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http://gizmodo.com/268788/the-truth-...keep-upusually

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Im not even going to fall for your "who said anything about black bullshit".....


Thanks for the article, although the first line is suspect.

"Last Monday, Brian and I had a chance to run down to Monster HQ in Brisbane, CA to run some tests for the HDMI Cable Battlemodo."

But then again Im only going off of what I have personally seen on a TV/projector in real world testing, not off a osciliscope. I have a long run of 1.3 monoprice HDMI running through my attic to my projector and it looks amazing when I play a blu ray. If I have half a million dollars to afford a monster cable that length to comapre I would but no dice. Either way, I can post up a few dozen articles showing there is no difference but I wont because neither one of us will change our minds.
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HDMI cables transmit data digitally. Either the 1s and 0s get there or they don't. If you get any picture at all that is the best and only picture you are going to get from any HDMI cable.

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Im not even going to fall for your "who said anything about black bullshit".....


Thanks for the article, although the first line is suspect.

"Last Monday, Brian and I had a chance to run down to Monster HQ in Brisbane, CA to run some tests for the HDMI Cable Battlemodo."
it's a decent article and fairly objective despite the location.

it does say a certain monster series transmit 1440p but it suggested saving the money instead. doesnt imply any difference at 1080p.
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LMAO, I just ran across part III of that test Kadumel posted and guess what the conclusion was? Monoprice is just as good! They said even with the problems they found in the lab, REAL WORLD testing showed a great picture. Just goes to show, real world testing > specs

http://gizmodo.com/282725/the-truth-...inale-part-iii


"The only people who should buy Monster cable are people who light cigars with Benjamins. Fortunately for Monster, there are plenty of those people. They're not even suckers, they are just rich as hell, and want the best. This testing did not prove that Monster is not the best. It just proved that the best is, for the most part, unnecessary."
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Lets see, how many cables could you get online for the price of ONE Monster....10? 11?

Even with odds against you, that math is good right there..... who cares how long the cheaper cables last when you have a closet full of them.


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digital is digital. It either works or it doesn't. If a cable is able to reliably transmit a signal, it will look just as good on one end as it does the other. Monster is just a snake oil company. Years ago, I swore to never buy any of their products after they started suing everybody they could for using the word "monster". Fuckin assholes.

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