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i like it. the sound is good. if you have the player built in to say a ps3 or dvd player, then by all means, get yourself a couple of discs you would really enjoy and something you can tell a difference against a regular cd.

i dont care for the multi-channel aspect, im a stereo purist, and 2.1 is all i want. some discs will have both 2.1 and 5.1, which is a nice feature.

dont sink your money into an expensive sacd player unless you are buying a nice universal drive already.
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I have a ps3 but unfortunately it's not the one with the SACD drive built in. I've been reading about BD-Audio and wondering if that will supercede SACD? Apparently BD-Audio can do 2.1 at 24/128 and 7.1 in 24/96, but I could be wrong. Either way there will be LOTS more BD players than SACD players.

I've been thinking of getting a decently cheap HDMI out SACD player (my AVR2808CI will decode SACD through the hdmi connector).

The alternative is to get the new oppo bluray/dvd/cd/sacd/etc. etc. etc. player when it comes out.

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-83/

Jluv: you can get SACD and DVD-A at fry's. BB and CC used to carry them, not sure if they still do.



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I bought my SACD player in 2001. It's a great technology that has gotten little play since it's Sony proprietary. It's superior to cd with its clarity, but comparable in most ways to DVD audio. If you get into it, check out Roger Waters: In the Flesh.....the multi-channel is unbelievable.

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I bought my SACD player in 2001. It's a great technology that has gotten little play since it's Sony proprietary. It's superior to cd with its clarity, but comparable in most ways to DVD audio. If you get into it, check out Roger Waters: In the Flesh.....the multi-channel is unbelievable.
Is it really that much better than CD (stereo to stereo)?



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Is it really that much better than CD (stereo to stereo)?
Which PS3 version do you have? Mine has the SACD and if you're that interested in it, I'm sure we could work something out for cheap. I don't really care for the SACD capability.
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Is it really that much better than CD (stereo to stereo)?
There is a warmth to the sound in stereo on the SACD that isn't there on a regular CD. The difference between the two is the bit rate. SACD's are transfered at about 10x the bit rate that CD's are and so you get a clearer sound. I'd compare it to the differences between DVD and Blu-Ray. But as with all formats, your quality is going to be ultimately determind by the quality of your setup (i.e. Reciever, Speakers, Optical vs. RCA, wires, etc).

Bottom line, if you are a true audiophile you'll notice the difference.

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Which PS3 version do you have? Mine has the SACD and if you're that interested in it, I'm sure we could work something out for cheap. I don't really care for the SACD capability.
Mine is one of the newer 80GB models. No PS2 software compatibility. Which one do you have?



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There is a warmth to the sound in stereo on the SACD that isn't there on a regular CD. The difference between the two is the bit rate. SACD's are transfered at about 10x the bit rate that CD's are and so you get a clearer sound. I'd compare it to the differences between DVD and Blu-Ray. But as with all formats, your quality is going to be ultimately determind by the quality of your setup (i.e. Reciever, Speakers, Optical vs. RCA, wires, etc).

Bottom line, if you are a true audiophile you'll notice the difference.

I have a Denon AVR-2808CI receiver... if I allow the receiver to do the decoding will it sound decent? I've done a little bit of looking but I'm still not sure what the DACs in that recevier are.... i.e. if they aren't 24 bit DACs is there any real advantage?



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Keep in mind that SACD is going on 10 years of being in the market. I'm sure that your Denon is well up to par. What you need to make sure of is whether it's got 6 channel inputs in the back. To get the full effect of the SACD, you want to have your channels coming out of the player and into the reciever independently (1 wire for the left, one wire for the right and so on).

You spent $1750 on your B&W's and have a very decent reciever.....I think you'll be more than happy.

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Keep in mind that SACD is going on 10 years of being in the market. I'm sure that your Denon is well up to par. What you need to make sure of is whether it's got 6 channel inputs in the back. To get the full effect of the SACD, you want to have your channels coming out of the player and into the reciever independently (1 wire for the left, one wire for the right and so on).

You spent $1750 on your B&W's and have a very decent reciever.....I think you'll be more than happy.

Ok, I have one set of 7.1 external inputs on my receiver. If I can work something out with Grant, I will have a PS3 with SACD decoding capability, but it won't have the 5.1 outputs, and I'm sure the DACs in the PS3 suck in any case.

If I were to use the external inputs, I would take advantage of the DAC in the disc player as opposed to my receiver, but if I don't have a billion dollar player, does it matter?

My reciever can decode DSD (SACD digital bitstream format) through HDMI. My dilemma is whether or not the DACs in the receiver are good enough to really get the full effect.

Bottom line: my receiver can either decode and amplify SACD media, or let the player decode and only amplify. Which is better?



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http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folder...t/pcm1796.html

That's the DAC used in my receiver.

capable of 24bit/192kHz, 123 dB SNR (comes out to around 20.5 ENOB)

Looks like it's better in mono mode, but I'm guessing with this cheaper receiver that they didn't use it that way to keep component cost down.



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That's the DAC used in my receiver.

capable of 24bit/192kHz, 123 dB SNR (comes out to around 20.5 ENOB)

Looks like it's better in mono mode, but I'm guessing with this cheaper receiver that they didn't use it that way to keep component cost down.

An earlier thread, I believe by you, was talking about the quality of sound coming from the recording industry these days. CD has always had more bass than I'd like, but that is one of the things that is corrected in a format like SACD. The subtle nuances that are often missed in CD are audible in SACD without the need for over amplification. What you could hear at a volumn of say 50 you can now hear at 35. There's no hissing at higher volumns as is often found on CD. And the clarity and placement of instruments and lyrics is unmatched in the home market.

I would seriously consider getting a stand alone player and using the Multi-Channel output/input to get the best sound. I'm just not sure what you can expect sound wise from a PS3.

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An earlier thread, I believe by you, was talking about the quality of sound coming from the recording industry these days. CD has always had more bass than I'd like, but that is one of the things that is corrected in a format like SACD. The subtle nuances that are often missed in CD are audible in SACD without the need for over amplification. What you could hear at a volumn of say 50 you can now hear at 35. There's no hissing at higher volumns as is often found on CD. And the clarity and placement of instruments and lyrics is unmatched in the home market.

I would seriously consider getting a stand alone player and using the Multi-Channel output/input to get the best sound. I'm just not sure what you can expect sound wise from a PS3.
Ok, did a little more research. The audio input to the receiver has to go through some ADCs which are 24 bit 96 kHz sampling rate. I question how good it will sound doing it that way...



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had a gift card at best buy so i picked up

diana krall - the look of love.
and david sanborn - timeagain.

the diana krall isn't my cup of tea as far as music but it's got great vocals.
the david sanborn is a pretty good. i cant sit through all 10 tracks since its all sax all the time with no vocals so it kinda gets to me after a while.

i'm gonna order a couple of the ones i want.
mj - thriller
the who
jazz at the pawn shop

im gonna look for eagles - hell freezes over on dvd audio, possibly metallica s&m
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