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Installed FTA today...have an issue

Dn is only giving 35 channels. I have updated with the latest bin and made sure auto roll is on. i did a blind scan as well. It took a long time (20min) for those 35 channels to come up. AT least I got a pron channel in the mix

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What sats? Sounds like you are only hitting the 110(ECHO 8,10)
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What sats? Sounds like you are only hitting the 110(ECHO 8,10)
I was just pointing at the one bird (110). Turns out that my LNB is linear and not circular so I can only hit linear birds. Looks like I will be hitting up ebay today.

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Outta curiosity...

Do you have to use Dish branded equipment or will Direc's stuff work?





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Do you have to use Dish branded equipment or will Direc's stuff work?
The dish itself doesnt matter. The LNB's are the key to the setup. They need to be circular NOT linear like the OP is finding out.

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The dish itself doesnt matter. The LNB's are the key to the setup. They need to be circular NOT linear like the OP is finding out.

Mike,

What do you use? I was using a Pansat 2500 and the 6000 at the old house but haven't had them up for a while, not at all at the new house. I need to take down my dish and such and bring them over here I suppose.

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The dish itself doesnt matter. The LNB's are the key to the setup. They need to be circular NOT linear like the OP is finding out.
You can get all kinds of foreign language stuff on the linear LNB satellites but circular LNB satellites seem to have all of the good stuff. The wife was impressed that I was able to get any signal from anywhere.

I may get a bracket so that I can keep my linear LNB and just piggy back a circular.

I have a winegard 31" dish. The Dish Network's dishes seem to be about 24".

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What kind of dish do you have? You need a Dish 500..


I'm assuming he was just using a universal single LNB type dish...If that's the case, he would just need 2( 1 for 110 and 1 for 119) and a diseq switch...

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A Dish 500 would take the place of "both" as it can receive the 110 and 119 at the same time..
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You can get all kinds of foreign language stuff on the linear LNB satellites but circular LNB satellites seem to have all of the good stuff. The wife was impressed that I was able to get any signal from anywhere.

I may get a bracket so that I can keep my linear LNB and just piggy back a circular.

I have a winegard 31" dish. The Dish Network's dishes seem to be about 24".
Where are you getting the polarity is the problem?

The wineguard dishes work fine...They are made a DirectTV, but They are correct polarity to recieve Ku signals.. If it was not the correct polarity, you would have never even got the the 110...Its a just a single LNB not a DUAL LNB like a dish 500, which is what you need...

Get another single LNB dish with a diseq switch

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Get a dish 500 or Dish 1000(3 LNB's needed for HD)
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What kind of dish do you have? You need a Dish 500..


I'm assuming he was just using a universal single LNB type dish...If that's the case, he would just need 2( 1 for 110 and 1 for 119) and a diseq switch...

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A Dish 500 would take the place of "both" as it can receive the 110 and 119 at the same time..

Agreed...the 500 makes it a lot easier and has the diseq built in.

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I got the whole kit for $200. It included the 31" dish, the linear LNB, a diseq switch, and a captiveworks cw700s receiver which is a pretty nice unit for the price. It has the USB port so updating is a breeze.

I am going t take a look at my neighbors DN 500 dish to see whats up.

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So you can use whoevers equipment so long as the lnb is round as such?

http://www.digiland.ca/img_small/SATE-LNB-KU-2.jpg





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Where are you getting the polarity is the problem?

The wineguard dishes work fine...They are made a DirectTV, but They are correct polarity to recieve Ku signals.. If it was not the correct polarity, you would have never even got the the 110...Its a just a single LNB not a DUAL LNB like a dish 500, which is what you need...

Get another single LNB dish with a diseq switch

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Get a dish 500 or Dish 1000(3 LNB's needed for HD)
I am having a hard time getting you. I am saying that I can't get 110 (which is all I want) with my current setup because i have a linear LNB and not a circular LNB. It sounds like you are saying that because I can get 32 channels, I should be able to get all of them or I shouldn't be able ot get any of them because I don't have a dual lnb dish like the 500.

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So you can use whoevers equipment so long as the lnb is round as such?

http://www.digiland.ca/img_small/SATE-LNB-KU-2.jpg
My linear lnb is just as round as that one. It looks really similar to that one, it is just a different type.

And you can't use any receiver. It has to be an FTA receiver.

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My linear lnb is just as round as that one. It looks really similar to that one, it is just a different type.

And you can't use any receiver. It has to be an FTA receiver.
Right, I know about the reciver part, I'm just curious about the dish/lnb combo.





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I am having a hard time getting you. I am saying that I can't get 110 (which is all I want) with my current setup because i have a linear LNB and not a circular LNB. It sounds like you are saying that because I can get 32 channels, I should be able to get all of them or I shouldn't be able ot get any of them because I don't have a dual lnb dish like the 500.

Are'nt the 35 channels you ARE getting on the 110?...If not, what channels are you getting?? Are they Dish networks channels? I figured they were since you said you found a porn channel...There are porn channels on 110 AND 119...

Dish network only has 2 "main" sats.. the 110 and 119..

MOST channels are on 119...only just a handful are on 110, which is what i figured you were hitting since you said you had 35 channels...There are several hundred on 119.. Most locals are on 110 though..Why would you ONLY want the 110??? You'd be missing tons of channels..

What channels are you getting exactly? Do you know how to use the singal strength meter in your reciever? What kind of reciever do you have?

Here is a list of dish's channels and there respective locations.....FYI

http://www.dbstalk.com/ekb/119list.htm

http://www.dbstalk.com/ekb/110list.htm
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Are'nt the 35 channels you ARE getting on the 110?...If not, what channels are you getting?? Are they Dish networks channels? I figured they were since you said you found a porn channel...There are porn channels on 110 AND 119...

Dish network only has 2 "main" sats.. the 110 and 119..

MOST channels are on 119...only just a handful are on 110, which is what i figured you were hitting since you said you had 35 channels...There are several hundred on 119.. Most locals are on 110 though..Why would you ONLY want the 110??? You'd be missing tons of channels..

What channels are you getting exactly? Do you know how to use the singal strength meter in your reciever? What kind of reciever do you have?

Here is a list of dish's channels and there respective locations.....FYI

http://www.dbstalk.com/ekb/119list.htm

http://www.dbstalk.com/ekb/110list.htm
When I said I can't get 110, I mean I cant get it totally. Just 35 channels .

When I scan, only 4 transponders come up. I get local stuff from Colo Spgs, a Dish Network guide channel, Spice Xcess, Ion and a few others. Sig strength and quality are at about 87% each. I have the captiveworks cw700s as a recvr.

When I look at this page with 110 channel listings, it seems like all I want. I don't want to be a TOTAL slave to the TV.

http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/dish110.html

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What do you use? I was using a Pansat 2500 and the 6000 at the old house but haven't had them up for a while, not at all at the new house. I need to take down my dish and such and bring them over here I suppose.

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Im using a direct TV dish, 2 old Dish Network circular LNB's. One aimed at 110, and one aimed at 119. Im using a Viewsat Ultra box that is actually for sale 4 months later that I have a good size HD TV. Im looking at the HD boxes but apparently with the American Channels on Charlies signals I have to have a special $150 adaptor to convert those channels. I can aim towards BEV for the Canadian programming and be fine with just a box upgrade. I've got some decisions to make but it will either be a Viewsat or a Sonicview. Thats the two most popular boxes I can get new files for from the site I go to. Seems they are the most popular to be updated first followed by the other boxes out.

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Where are you getting the polarity is the problem?

The wineguard dishes work fine...They are made a DirectTV, but They are correct polarity to recieve Ku signals.. If it was not the correct polarity, you would have never even got the the 110...Its a just a single LNB not a DUAL LNB like a dish 500, which is what you need...

Get another single LNB dish with a diseq switch

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Get a dish 500 or Dish 1000(3 LNB's needed for HD)

You got it wrong bro.

He can use that dish he has with no issues. He just needs to get the bracket the puts two single circular LNB's on one arm. Once you lock in on 110, 119 follows it when its mounted on the correct side.

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You got it wrong bro.

He can use that dish he has with no issues. He just needs to get the bracket the puts two single circular LNB's on one arm. Once you lock in on 110, 119 follows it when its mounted on the correct side.
That is what I read originally. What do you think about getting 32 channels off of 110 with the wrong type of LNB? It doesn't seem like that is supposed to happen.

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You got it wrong bro.

He can use that dish he has with no issues. He just needs to get the bracket the puts two single circular LNB's on one arm. Once you lock in on 110, 119 follows it when its mounted on the correct side.

He says he really only wants one sattelite...The 110(echo 8,10)...Why would he need a dual LNB? He said he doesn't want 119 for some reason...Also mounting a dish 500 dual LNB on the winegard arm dish wont work due to no skew adjustment...The skew adjustment is required to get both the 119 and 110 since the 4 degrees "farther up" in the horizon....
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That is what I read originally. What do you think about getting 32 channels off of 110 with the wrong type of LNB? It doesn't seem like that is supposed to happen.

It isn't..Something is wrong somewhere....Have you verified all the setting in the dish setup menus are correct? Like..

LNB type: standard or Univ?
LNB Local Freq:? Should be 11250
Make sure dIseqC is off or none - but if you get a Dish 500, then you'll need to use it since a Dish 500 has an internal built in switch..

Any of those settings COULD cause the problem you are having with only picking 4 TP's..
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It isn't..Something is wrong somewhere....Have you verified all the setting in the dish setup menus are correct? Like..

LNB type: standard or Univ?
LNB Local Freq:? Should be 11250
Make sure dIseqC is off or none - but if you get a Dish 500, then you'll need to use it since a Dish 500 has an internal built in switch..

Any of those settings COULD cause the problem you are having with only picking 4 TP's..
Will fuck with the settings again when I get to the crib tonight.

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He says he really only wants one sattelite...The 110(echo 8,10)...Why would he need a dual LNB? He said he doesn't want 119 for some reason...Also mounting a dish 500 dual LNB on the winegard arm dish wont work due to no skew adjustment...The skew adjustment is required to get both the 119 and 110 since the 4 degrees "farther up" in the horizon....
You are correct. Once I looked up the winegard dishes...THEY SUCK..

Problem is though you can't mount a dual enclosed LNB and have your equipment work. They need to be two seperate LNB's mounted on the same arm. I've got a dual element thats molded together here at the house that I tried to use that wont work with DN.

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All of my settings look correct.

What if my coax run is 150+ft? Would that make a difference?

I get 75% sig strength on all of the other TPs but only get quality on the 4 TPs that are working.

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All of my settings look correct.

What if my coax run is 150+ft? Would that make a difference?

I get 75% sig strength on all of the other TPs but only get quality on the 4 TPs that are working.
When you buy the right LNB it will pick up the rest of the channels on 110. Don't be a retard man. Get a second circular LNB and a NEW DISH so you can aim at 119 with a skew adjustment. You are pissing in the wind with the junk setup you have now. Hate to say but you are getting exactly what you are paying for with that FTA setup.

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When you buy the right LNB it will pick up the rest of the channels on 110. Don't be a retard man. Get a second circular LNB and a NEW DISH so you can aim at 119 with a skew adjustment. You are pissing in the wind with the junk setup you have now. Hate to say but you are getting exactly what you are paying for with that FTA setup.
It is just like starting out with linux. You ask 10 people the same question and you get ten different answers. You should see the answers I am getting from some of the FTA boards.

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It is just like starting out with linux. You ask 10 people the same question and you get ten different answers. You should see the answers I am getting from some of the FTA boards.
The only site I ever go to for any kind of help is totalfta.com

What site are you going to?

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What site are you going to?
I have an account at totalfta.com , gosatellite.com and ftatalk.com.

I also have been given TWO Dish 500 dishes with dual lnbs today. I will try to hook one up before the sun goes down.

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PWTRTXSS I dont know what to tell you I get around 200 channels off 110 alone and my percentage which is not bad is around 90-94%.

I use a dish 500
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PWTRTXSS I dont know what to tell you I get around 200 channels off 110 alone and my percentage which is not bad is around 90-94%.

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I switched to the dish 500 and I get all of the channels off of 110 and 119 goes in and out so I have an aiming issue right now. My % is about 85 to 80 on 110 about 65% on 119. I will adjust when I have a while to mess with it this weekend.

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I switched to the dish 500 and I get all of the channels off of 110 and 119 goes in and out so I have an aiming issue right now. My % is about 85 to 80 on 110 about 65% on 119. I will adjust when I have a while to mess with it this weekend.

Just purchase a signal finder from radio shack it costs about 35.00 takes 5 mins to line up your dish.

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So did you ever get your shit figured out?
Just about. All I need to figure out now is the epg (tv listings function). All I get when I hit the guide button is the list of channels but no program info. It's kinda annoying.

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Got it figured out last night Now I can see when my favorite prons are on!

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