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Ipod as vehicle audio

Ok..take me to school. Saw a thread on another board about using an ipod as the main audio source in a vehicle.
Folks, i have albums, cassettes & cd's and know nothing about any of this. Danny (46tbird ) has tried to educate my old dumb ass about this stuff & some of it is sinking in.
If i understand correctly, i can download off the net, trasnfer from my computer to the ipod, ect. Any tips, tricks, good websites to check on this would be appreciated.

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post #2 of 22 (permalink) Old 03-06-2008, 10:11 AM
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It's pretty simple, really. You need a receiver/headunit that allows for an auxillary input and connect your iPod via 2.5mm.
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Part of the resoning I bought a New head unit. I wanted to ability to listen to every song I have at a wim.

After talking to EW I decided not to get a radio that only plays Ipod and radio. This being that CD still has far superior sound quality compared to even the best mp3. EW informed me that you loose a decent chunk of high and low frequencies due to compression, and since most ipod use is headphones, why do they need those frequencies.

Granted the ipod sounds great in my car I still want to leave my options open.
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Part of the resoning I bought a New head unit. I wanted to ability to listen to every song I have at a wim.

After talking to EW I decided not to get a radio that only plays Ipod and radio. This being that CD still has far superior sound quality compared to even the best mp3. EW informed me that you loose a decent chunk of high and low frequencies due to compression, and since most ipod use is headphones, why do they need those frequencies.

Granted the ipod sounds great in my car I still want to leave my options open.
Once you get above 224kbs, it's pretty difficult to tell the difference, in all honesty. There is a difference, yes, but it's so minimal, that in a car stereo, it would not matter one bit, with road noise, confined spaces and what not. Home audio is a different story, and even then, you'd probably only be able to tell a significant difference if you're running a decent high-end setup.

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Once you get above 224kbs, it's pretty difficult to tell the difference, in all honesty. There is a difference, yes, but it's so minimal, that in a car stereo, it would not matter one bit, with road noise, confined spaces and what not. Home audio is a different story, and even then, you'd probably only be able to tell a significant difference if you're running a decent high-end setup.


Ohh ya for sure, I just didn't want to be limited to just ipod. I still buy cd's sometimes. Itunes doesn't get all my money.
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Ohh ya for sure, I just didn't want to be limited to just ipod. I still buy cd's sometimes. Itunes doesn't get all my money.
I've purchased about 20 cds this week alone.

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I've purchased about 20 cds this week alone.
damn! you gots a problem man
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iPods dump all frequencies below 50Hz. You could use an iPod as the headunit but you may need a line driver to raise the signal level into an amp. Look at the Peripheral Electronics PXP01. Powers the ipod and has RCA ends to plug into amp. Done and done.
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Once you get above 224kbs, it's pretty difficult to tell the difference, in all honesty. There is a difference, yes, but it's so minimal, that in a car stereo, it would not matter one bit, with road noise, confined spaces and what not. Home audio is a different story, and even then, you'd probably only be able to tell a significant difference if you're running a decent high-end setup.

The difference between Ipod and CDs on my system is significant. Just yesterday I had someone in my car while listening to the Ipod, and he commented about how it couldn't posibly sound better with a CD. I played a few songs for him on the Ipod that I knew I had on CD, and then played them on the CDs, and he was floored. In all fairness, I don't know how great the recordings were originally, but it's the same for anything I've ever downloaded from Itunes or Limewire. I'll admit that it shouldn't be anywhere near as noticeable in the average vehicle, though.
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The difference between Ipod and CDs on my system is significant. Just yesterday I had someone in my car while listening to the Ipod, and he commented about how it couldn't posibly sound better with a CD. I played a few songs for him on the Ipod that I knew I had on CD, and then played them on the CDs, and he was floored. In all fairness, I don't know how great the recordings were originally, but it's the same for anything I've ever downloaded from Itunes or Limewire. I'll admit that it shouldn't be anywhere near as noticeable in the average vehicle, though.
Probably has to do with what Eric said above... I never knew that about them either.

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head unit with iPod control FTW

I ended up getting a Pioneer Premier DEH-P490IB, regret waiting so long to buy it.
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Ok....it apperas consensus is head unit with ipod control. My idea was to replace the head unit in the 46 with an ipod, or whatever. First i get to remove the radio from the dash & put the glove box back in. Second,tis elininates the skipping issue i have. Eric, if you can recommend a decent head unit that can eliminate the skip issue, i can live without a glove box door.

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I haven't had a complaint about CD players skipping in many years. All 2008 Alpine units have optional ipod control. Three 2008 alpine models don't have a CD player built in and are am/fm/ipod/USB only unless you add on HD Radio, XM, Sirius, AUX, changer, etc. Start around $99+cable.

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I haven't had a complaint about CD players skipping in many years. All 2008 Alpine units have optional ipod control. # 2008 alpine models don't have a CD player built in and are am/fm/ipod/USB only unless you add on HD Radio, XM, Sirius, AUX, changer, etc. Start around $99+cable.
i absolutely LOVE my cde-9874 Eric. have never owned an Alpine in my truck, just kenwood excelons and a few pioneers. By far the best sounding and cleanest looking unit thats been in my car! thanks for the help man.

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i absolutely LOVE my cde-9874 Eric. have never owned an Alpine in my truck, just kenwood excelons and a few pioneers. By far the best sounding and cleanest looking unit thats been in my car! thanks for the help man.
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are there no other options than a head unit with ipod controls or the shitty fm transmitters? way back when I had a 6 disc cd changer that plugged inline with the antenna or something and it worked great. do they not make anything like that for mp3 players? where you still tune to a station, but get a much better signal than the transmitters.
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are there no other options than a head unit with ipod controls or the shitty fm transmitters? way back when I had a 6 disc cd changer that plugged inline with the antenna or something and it worked great. do they not make anything like that for mp3 players? where you still tune to a station, but get a much better signal than the transmitters.
yes they do have them but why would you do that? you would still need another radio to receive the radio signal and output it to your speakers so this kind of defeats the purpose of skipping the HU with ipod control doesnt it? also this way is better than a transmitter only in the signal strength. your music will always sound like a shitty 96 kbps mp3 from old school napster. but still sounds nothing like ipod control or even an AUX input.

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are there no other options than a head unit with ipod controls or the shitty fm transmitters? way back when I had a 6 disc cd changer that plugged inline with the antenna or something and it worked great. do they not make anything like that for mp3 players? where you still tune to a station, but get a much better signal than the transmitters.
Yes, hardwired FM modulators still exist. It is only way we will use an FM modulator. They have RCA input that you can attach a RCA to 1/8" jack cable to, or there are iPod cables that have the iPod plug on one end and right/left/video/ & 12V connectors on the other end which will allow you to power the iPod as well. Most cars end up being $163+antenna adapters (if needed)+tax installed. For some cars there are better options. For others, this is the best unless you replace the deck. Harmon Kardon also has an ipod controller with display that has a hardwired FM modulator.

Wireless FM modulation=suck.
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cool.. thanks for the info. so many of the new cars have such huge, odd sized decks that it just doesnt seem worth it to try replace the whole deck so I didnt know if that option was still available.
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Leah bought me a new head unit last year just so I could control the iPod with it.. It's just a base model Alpine but the iPod is tucked away in the glove box. I had an FM modulator for a while but the sound quality sucked and iPods are a pain in the ass to control with one finger while driving. The spin wheel thing is too touchy and the writing is too small

She got the install kit, iPod cable, wiring harness and head unit on Crutchfield for like $150 or so.

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Then had to have EW fix my shoddy install job.

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