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Sony 60" or 65" 1080p DLP

Where are the best deals at right now? I'm ready to go buy.
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post #2 of 29 (permalink) Old 02-08-2008, 07:33 AM
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Is your heart set on Sony?
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post #3 of 29 (permalink) Old 02-08-2008, 07:37 AM Thread Starter
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Is your heart set on Sony?
Not necessarily. Just from what I've seen in consumer reports, they have the best ratings. I just want something that's really going to last without major repairs.
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post #4 of 29 (permalink) Old 02-08-2008, 07:47 AM
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Usually Grant seems to post up the best deals. I think he's gone through like 50 TVs over the past year or two.
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post #5 of 29 (permalink) Old 02-08-2008, 07:52 AM
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I was not aware Sony was making DLP TV's Seriously though, not trying to be a total smart ass, but you should really know what you are buying before you get ready to jump on the highdef bandwagon.....

Most Sony's 50" and bigger will be part of their SXRD line up, which is a 3 chip LCoS projection setup not DLP, some cheaper models will have the Bravia E-Series 3-Chip setup.

Also, I believe all SXRD's for 2008 are 1080P 120hz displays.

I am not saying DLP is better than LCoS or vice versa, but you should be aware of the differences as a cusumer.
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I was not aware Sony was making DLP TV's Seriously though, not trying to be a total smart ass, but you should really know what you are buying before you get ready to jump on the highdef bandwagon.....

Most Sony's 50" and bigger will be part of their SXRD line up, which is a 3 chip LCoS projection setup not DLP, some cheaper models will have the Bravia E-Series 3-Chip setup.

Also, I believe all SXRD's for 2008 are 1080P 120hz displays.

I am not saying DLP is better than LCoS or vice versa, but you should be aware of the differences as a cusumer.
Yeah I saw something about the LCoS technology for Sony. They were the only company that use it from what I read. I don't know the difference between SXRD and whatever else is out there. I'll have to go see one in person.
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Well, I went ahead and bought the Sony 60". 60A3000. Looks pretty promising. Just waiting to get off work so I can go pick it up!

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Good choice, that is a nice display. Did you get the good deal you were looking for? What content do you plan to run to take advantage of the 1080P/120 capabiliites?
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Ah, just saw this thread. Guess I should of read this thread before responding to your PM, as this is what I recommended to you. I've had this TV since it came out and am pretty sure I was the first consumer to get it. This is basically the best RPTV made for the money.

Get a PS3 or something and enjoy movies in true-cinema-style.
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I was not aware Sony was making DLP TV's Seriously though, not trying to be a total smart ass, but you should really know what you are buying before you get ready to jump on the highdef bandwagon.....

Most Sony's 50" and bigger will be part of their SXRD line up, which is a 3 chip LCoS projection setup not DLP, some cheaper models will have the Bravia E-Series 3-Chip setup.

Also, I believe all SXRD's for 2008 are 1080P 120hz displays.

I am not saying DLP is better than LCoS or vice versa, but you should be aware of the differences as a cusumer.
I prefer DLP over SXRD. My buddy in Abilene has a 60" SXRD that's only about a year old but my dad's Mitsu 55" DLP has a noticeably better picture.

Just my $.02.

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I wasn't a fan of older SXRD technology, especially for the price vs. the features/value. However, there aren't any mitsu's this season that are even close to competing with the 3000 series, feature wise for the money. The 833 is the best that Mitsu has put out lately and it's pretty underwhelming.
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SXRD has dramatically improved since the move to 1080P as you will notice even Misubishi is making the move to LCD type technolgy with thier new projectors.

2 years ago I would not touch an LCD or LCoS, now I think they edge out DLP when setup correctly. Just my opinion though, I currently own a 4 year old DLP and have not seen anything that I would be willing to upgrade to for a reasonable amount of $$.
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Good choice, that is a nice display. Did you get the good deal you were looking for? What content do you plan to run to take advantage of the 1080P/120 capabiliites?
I'm not doing anything hardcore yet. I wanted the door to be open for anything I may get in the future. I wanted a tv that would make the best of it. Right now I just have your basic little game setup with the Xbox 360 and Wii. Some of the Xbox games look fantastic on it! I haven't made the move to an HD-DVD or Blu-Ray Player yet. My DVR is hooked up to it and the programs that are broadcast in HD look awesome! Too bad they don't broadcast in 1080p. Are there any plans for that? Also have an old school Onkyo Dolby 5.1 (500 watt) receiver running.
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why do people always allude to the fact that there isn't a lot of 1080p media out yet?

why WOULDN'T you buy the best shit out? especially when the higher def media is DEFINATELY coming down the pipeline?
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why do people always allude to the fact that there isn't a lot of 1080p media out yet?

why WOULDN'T you buy the best shit out? especially when the higher def media is DEFINATELY coming down the pipeline?

I assume you are talking about my comments, and in no way did I intend to allude to anything.

I just asked a simple direct question, which was what content do you currently plan to watch in 1080p/120?

I never suggested not to go with a 1080p display.
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I assume you are talking about my comments, and in no way did I intend to allude to anything.

I just asked a simple direct question, which was what content do you currently plan to watch in 1080p/120?

I never suggested not to go with a 1080p display.
I think you're a little confused. It's more aimed for interpolating 1080p/24 properly 120/24 = 5, which is what film is shot natively in.

Here is another explanation off the 'net:

"However, 1080p/120 is clearly the golden frequency, because five full film frames (at 24 frames per second) and four complete video frames (at 30 frames per second) fit completely and seamlessly within that refresh rate without adding judder. "
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I think you're a little confused. It's more aimed for interpolating 1080p/24 properly 120/24 = 5, which is what film is shot natively in.

Here is another explanation off the 'net:

"However, 1080p/120 is clearly the golden frequency, because five full film frames (at 24 frames per second) and four complete video frames (at 30 frames per second) fit completely and seamlessly within that refresh rate without adding judder. "

I am not confused, just addressing Cooter's statement.

I am well aware of what broadcast camera's are capable of, and the 1080p/24 format used to capture images.

I assume you are aware that 1080P/24 broadcast camera's are terrible for fast action video such as movies and sports right? They are rarely used.
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I am not confused, just addressing Cooter's statement.
Well, that's how I thought you were confused. There is plenty of content (like most of it) for which the 120hz was meant to address. IE, any blu-ray/dvd/hd-dvd (like 95% of them) are shot at the native film speed of 24fps. 120hz is used to interpolate it more efficiently, so that you get to see the film natively.

I was confused when you asked him what content he'll be using to take advantage of the 120hz. Because just about anything he watches, the 120hz will interpolate. That's why I wasn't sure or not if you were aware of just what the point of 120hz was?

To further clarify just what 120hz does; here's a decent explanation off the 'net:

"the only problem is most TVs are 60hz or 60fps so to get a 24fps source on to a 60hz monitor you must do what's called 3:2 pulldown where 1 frame is shown 3 times and the next twice

like frame AAABBCCCDDEEEFF etc.(which makes the film look slightly choppy)

and that is where the new 120hz tvs come in, they run at 120fps so they do whats called 5:5 pulldown for 24fps sources making it look like AAAAABBBBBCCCCCDDDDDEEEEEFFFFF etc(which will just look like ABCDEF)
and that gives you the most natural looking film because it retains the original frame rate"

So asking what content you're going to utilize with the 120hz is what threw me off, Got Stripes.

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I assume you are talking about my comments, and in no way did I intend to allude to anything.

I just asked a simple direct question, which was what content do you currently plan to watch in 1080p/120?

I never suggested not to go with a 1080p display.
fair enough... I figure he's going to watch whatever is available in 1080p/120 in 1080p/120
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Well, that's how I thought you were confused. There is plenty of content (like most of it) for which the 120hz was meant to address. IE, any blu-ray/dvd/hd-dvd (like 95% of them) are shot at the native film speed of 24fps. 120hz is used to interpolate it more efficiently, so that you get to see the film natively.

I was confused when you asked him what content he'll be using to take advantage of the 120hz. Because just about anything he watches, the 120hz will interpolate. That's why I wasn't sure or not if you were aware of just what the point of 120hz was?
Understood, and I asked the question to get an honest answer. Most people jump on the 1080P bandwaggon thinking broadcast television and DVD based movies will be 1080P/120 as a standard in the near future.

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http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-PureAV-...ref=pd_ys_iyr4 I use this and I'm pretty happy with it. I think it cost me around $100ish or so new. It was much higher locally.
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I just saw a Panasonic up at Fry's yesterday. 61" DLP-1080p for 1389.00 It was real hard to walk away from that.

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I assume you are aware that 1080P/24 broadcast camera's are terrible for fast action video such as movies and sports right? They are rarely used.

Huh? I'd rather have a progressive scan (conveying all lines in a single pass) than interlaced for sports and motion-intensive content... given the same refresh rate.

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Huh? I'd rather have a progressive scan (conveying all lines in a single pass) than interlaced for sports and motion-intensive content... given the same refresh rate.
24 FPS is too slow for sports and fast action movies, also a 1080P/24 camera takes an enormous amount of processing power and bandwidth to use (very expensive and not cost effective).

Most broadcasters are using 1080i/60 to capture sports / live TV because it has significatly more lines of resolution refreshing in a single second, as well as using up less than half the bandwidth.

1080P/24 is currently todays highest broadcast standard. Maybe one day we will see 1080P/60 but its a long way off, as the cameras dont even exist in the broadcast world today.... Cable providers sure dont want to see a move to 1080P/60 as a broadcast standard as the bandwidth required does not exist either...
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I am more than happy with my 62" Mitsubishi 1080i.
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24 FPS is too slow for sports and fast action movies, also a 1080P/24 camera takes an enormous amount of processing power and bandwidth to use (very expensive and not cost effective).

Most broadcasters are using 1080i/60 to capture sports / live TV because it has significatly more lines of resolution refreshing in a single second, as well as using up less than half the bandwidth.

1080P/24 is currently todays highest broadcast standard. Maybe one day we will see 1080P/60 but its a long way off, as the cameras dont even exist in the broadcast world today.... Cable providers sure dont want to see a move to 1080P/60 as a broadcast standard as the bandwidth required does not exist either...
I guess I should have said... give maximum refresh rate.

I've got two 1080p one a projector and one a rear-projector (I don't even know if you can get 1080i anymore) and I'm happy with it.

At some point the human eye ain't gonna know the difference.

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