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post #1 of 60 (permalink) Old 11-11-2007, 07:58 PM Thread Starter
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Help me, I'm HD STUPID.

Well I'm pretty excited, I just got a new TV that is a small step up from my 15yr old 25" RCA CRT.

I got a 50" Samsung plasma HP-T5034. Now is your chance to tell me what a pile of crap it is, but I'm happy with it.

So here's the question - how do I receive air-broadcast HD channels? I got a cheap antenna hooked up in the back expecting it to just find all the HD channels out there just like every other HDTV I've seen. Am I missing something like a setting? Or does it just not pick them up without an additional receiver? Thanks.
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do you have cable or sat?

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Danny... sometimes a rabbit ear antenna will pick up local hd channels but its going to depend on what area you are in a what not. I have a fishbone antenna up in the attic and it does pretty good but its not perfect. Best option would be an outdoor fishbone antenna but its ugly as sin.

Did you let the TV do a scan for digital channels? Its not say Ch4... its Ch4-1, ch4-2... are you trying the right channels?

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lol I'm with you on the HD crap. I'm still way new to all this shit. I keep thinking about getting a new one since I just got DISH hooked up.

sounds like you got a nice TV but what the hell do I know lol

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i used an antenna with an amplifier or something.. it pluged into the wall - got it at wall mart for like 20 bux and it worked great
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I think that is a HD-ready TV meaning it doesn't have the HD tuner built in. Mine is the same. In order to get the local HD channels, 4.1, 5.1 etc. I had to run my rooftop antenna thru a HD cable box to get the HD channels....
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I think that is a HD-ready TV meaning it doesn't have the HD tuner built in. Mine is the same. In order to get the local HD channels, 4.1, 5.1 etc. I had to run my rooftop antenna thru a HD cable box to get the HD channels....
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Well I don't know what that is, but it sounds like I need a $50 antenna to get this crap working. Damn!
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Well I don't know what that is, but it sounds like I need a $50 antenna to get this crap working. Damn!
You don't need an expensive antenna. Just make sure when you do the channel scan that you pick Ant, and make it scan for digital channels.




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I did exactly that. And it didn't pick up ANY air channels at all, neither digital nor analog. Does that sound fishy?
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I did exactly that. And it didn't pick up ANY air channels at all, neither digital nor analog. Does that sound fishy?
It does, but it may just be the are you are in...bad reception.

I searched your TV model number and nowhere does it say it has a built-in HD tuner. If that is the case, An antenna wont help you unless you buy an HD Tuner also... I think. Can anyone who KNOWS back me up on this?

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Like analog tv, your signal is going to depend on your distance from the transmitting towers. I think you can find out how far you are from the towers by using antennaweb.org. You should be able to deduce the distance and determine exactly what kind of antenna will suit you best. I have heard some good things about db4 antennas. This is assuming you have a digital tuner built in to your tv.

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I did exactly that. And it didn't pick up ANY air channels at all, neither digital nor analog. Does that sound fishy?
Was your tv set to scan for cable channels or was it set for scanning for antenna channels?

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Was your tv set to scan for cable channels or was it set for scanning for antenna channels?

there is probably 2 coaxial inputs on the tv. one for air and one for cable.

make sure you screw it into the one for air. turn the tv on and go to menu and try to search for channels again.
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you will need a HD tuner/receiver for that tv to get off-air digital channels
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Ah, got it. I thought they all had built-in HD tuners. Thanks.

Does it require the HD tuner to capture air-broadcast HD stations?

Also, it didn't pick up ANY air channels at all. I had the antenna connected to each of the inputs (one marked AIR and the other CABLE) and allowed it do a channel search. It never found shit.
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According to the samsung website he doesn't need a tuner, it is built in.
"All Samsung Plasma TVs built during or after 2005, starting with the HP-R and SP-R series and continuing with the 2006 HP-S and 2007 HP-T and FP-T series, have built in HDTV (ATSC) tuners and do not need a digital set-top-box to receive over-the-air HDTV. The following models, however, need CableCards to receive scrambled digital cable:"

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Also, it didn't pick up ANY air channels at all. I had the antenna connected to each of the inputs (one marked AIR and the other CABLE) and allowed it do a channel search. It never found shit.
That part is unusual. It should find something, even if it isn't clear. Even the worst antenna in the crappiest part of town will usually pick up something.







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I guess that's what I get for assuming and not doing research myself, my bad

It looks like Loki is right, you shouldn't need a set-top tuner. I have no idea why it's not picking anything up.

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Well shit.
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Well shit.
if you have cable/satellite, IMO it is worth the extra 25 bucks (one-time for dish network) to get the HD tuner...

all the local channels will be picked up in crystal-clear HD, and it's almost magical watching football in HD. trust me, it's def worth it.

i have no idea on local channels with no dish, but it seems like someone figured it out for ya'.

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My TV gets all of the local HD channels with a $40 Terk antenna from Radio Shack. Mounted it on the east side of my house (facing Arlington). I also have Dish HD but the antenna makes a nice backup when the sky is falling.
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i paid like $50 at radioshack and bought a like a 10' fish bone antenna. i pointed it towards dallas and done! i didnt even mount it. i just laid it down up there and get everything with good signal. (samsung's built in signal meter, you should have it too).
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if you have cable/satellite, IMO it is worth the extra 25 bucks (one-time for dish network) to get the HD tuner...

all the local channels will be picked up in crystal-clear HD, and it's almost magical watching football in HD. trust me, it's def worth it.

i have no idea on local channels with no dish, but it seems like someone figured it out for ya'.

With DishNetwork it's $25/month extra for the latest HD programming with HD locals, on top of the normal programming packages, and that's not counting equipment costs. It's absolutely worth it, though.
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directv > * in HD channels
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directv > * in HD channels

Really? I thought Dish had more. What does DirecTV have over them?
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Really? I thought Dish had more. What does DirecTV have over them?

directv had pretty much what cable/dish/fios had until about a month ago.

they added 40 more hd channels and 30 more to come for no extra money. $10 a month covers it.

http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/global...setId=P4380112

they are the hd leader for the time being
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directv had pretty much what cable/dish/fios had until about a month ago.

they added 40 more hd channels and 30 more to come for no extra money. $10 a month covers it.

http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/global...setId=P4380112

they are the hd leader for the time being
Hmmm... I didn't really see any that I don't get through Dish, but several that Dish has that Direct doesn't. I wouldn't switch.
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I've got Charter, I've had their cable (with HBO, MAX, and Encores) with home internet and phone for $67/mo. Couldn't pass it up. I ordered the HD programming and it's another $13/mo - but doesn't have the local channels - that's why I need the stupid antenna in the first place!
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I've got Charter, I've had their cable (with HBO, MAX, and Encores) with home internet and phone for $67/mo. Couldn't pass it up. I ordered the HD programming and it's another $13/mo - but doesn't have the local channels - that's why I need the stupid antenna in the first place!
Danny, dead serious, I have a LARGE fishbone style antenna in my attic that you can have. I paid 70 or 80 bucks for it a few years ago. It can be mounted outdoors as well. I never really got better reception off of it vs a $30 smaller set top one I bought later. The smaller one was actually better because I could move it around easily. But if you want this giant antenna, you can have it.
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Thanks!

I can stop by on my way home, I pass your area every day. What's a good time? And I'm not going to just TAKE it, what do you want - a six pack or something?
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Hmmm... I didn't really see any that I don't get through Dish, but several that Dish has that Direct doesn't. I wouldn't switch.
what does dish have that direct tv doesn't.. just curious
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Thanks!

I can stop by on my way home, I pass your area every day. What's a good time? And I'm not going to just TAKE it, what do you want - a six pack or something?

I don't drink beer. I like Crown, but I'm good, man. You'll have to get up in the attic and take it down. In fact, it's just kind of suspended with some straps, so it shouldn't be tough.

I should be home tonight between 6 and 7, but then I'm leaving again after dinner to go take this TV back to Best Buy. So if you can't swing by around 6:30-7-ish then maybe Wednesday after 6:30 would be better. Just let me know.

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I'll be there at 6:30. Thanks!
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what does dish have that direct tv doesn't.. just curious
10 bucks is better than 25
Dish has all of the old Zoom channels, which DirecTV has none of, and some are kinda cool. MonstersHD, RaveHD, AnimaniaHD, TreasuresHD, HD Gallery, etc.

They also have ScienceHD, UniversalHD, DiscoveryHealthHD, HGTV HD, HDNews, and the list goes on.

The only channels Direct has that Dish does not that I would miss are National Geographic HD and FX HD (I have FX though).
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Danny, where abouts do you live? If you don't get good reception on the digital channels (HD), then they don't come in at all. There is no "snowy" reception like with analog channels.

Like mentioned above, go here http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/Address.aspx, type in your address, and it will tell you what type of antenna you need to pick up local OTA channels. I live in N. FTW which is ~28 miles from most local channel's broadcast antennas (which are mostly in Cedar Hill) and I get great reception with just a $10 set of rabbit ears.

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Danny, where abouts do you live? If you don't get good reception on the digital channels (HD), then they don't come in at all. There is no "snowy" reception like with analog channels.

Like mentioned above, go here http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/Address.aspx, type in your address, and it will tell you what type of antenna you need to pick up local OTA channels. I live in N. FTW which is ~28 miles from most local channel's broadcast antennas (which are mostly in Cedar Hill) and I get great reception with just a $10 set of rabbit ears.
I think there are other factors. I live much closer, and at both the current house (Arlington/Euless border) and the last house (183/820 area) I could get 4 and 11 fine, 5 most of the time, and never 8.

Danny, my suggestion would be to switch to Dish and get the HD locals (and a ton more HD channels) through the satellite. Once you start watching a lot of stuff in HD, you will be spoiled to it, and will probably want as much as you can get. It's worth the price difference, imo.
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I think there are other factors. I live much closer, and at both the current house (Arlington/Euless border) and the last house (183/820 area) I could get 4 and 11 fine, 5 most of the time, and never 8.

Danny, my suggestion would be to switch to Dish and get the HD locals (and a ton more HD channels) through the satellite. Once you start watching a lot of stuff in HD, you will be spoiled to it, and will probably want as much as you can get. It's worth the price difference, imo.
Yeah there are other factors like if you live near tall buildings or live near an airport, but other than that I see no reason why you shouldn't get 8. There's not really a science to picking up radio waves, just have to screw around with it and they should come in. Not too many working parts.

Did you try to manually type in "8-1" to see if it came up? I know ABC and CBS were the only 2 OTA channels that came in automatically programmed, but when I typed in the other channels, they were there.

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Yeah there are other factors like if you live near tall buildings or live near an airport, but other than that I see no reason why you shouldn't get 8. There's not really a science to picking up radio waves, just have to screw around with it and they should come in. Not too many working parts.

Did you try to manually type in "8-1" to see if it came up? I know ABC and CBS were the only 2 OTA channels that came in automatically programmed, but when I typed in the other channels, they were there.
Yep, tried everything. Most of the people I know with HD over the air that live around me don't get channel 8 in HD either. Switching over to locals through the dish itself has been wonderful.
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I'm in Watauga at the Keller border, right at 377 and Basswood (aka Hightower). I think that's right down the street from ya Z.
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Danny, my suggestion would be to switch to Dish and get the HD locals (and a ton more HD channels) through the satellite. Once you start watching a lot of stuff in HD, you will be spoiled to it, and will probably want as much as you can get. It's worth the price difference, imo.
Exactly.

Danny, when we moved in to the current house, it already had one of the big metal fish bone antenna's strapped to the chimney. We used it along with Dish's HD receiver before it offered local HD. The antenna worked ok, we thought. When we upgraded to the HD DVR and new HD package, all local HD channels were included so we ditched the antenna(actually the damn thing is still strapped to the chimney) and the quality is so much better than it was using the antenna. It's nice to have everything coming from one box, no extra bullshit needed.

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Charter doesn't offer the local channel lineup in HD.
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Sounds like it's time to tell Charter to get fucked.

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Wow - lots of good info in this thread. Most of the free HD channels in the DFW area are broadcast in the UHF frquency. You only need a simple UHF antenna to receive these. I use the Zenith Silver Sensor and it works pretty good. Its a directional antenna thats shaped like an arrow head.

Most HD satellite receivers have the ability to recive free HD TV also referred to as Over the Air (OTA) programming. You just need to hook up the UHF antenna and have the unit rescan for available channels. Once scanned, my channel line up adds a .1 to each local channel to denote its HD equivalent. So I have channels 4, 4.1, 5, 5.1, 8, 8.1, etc Each of the .1 channels is the HD feed of the current analog channel.

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Wow - lots of good info in this thread. Most of the free HD channels in the DFW area are broadcast in the UHF frquency. You only need a simple UHF antenna to receive these. I use the Zenith Silver Sensor and it works pretty good. Its a directional antenna thats shaped like an arrow head.

Most HD satellite receivers have the ability to recive free HD TV also referred to as Over the Air (OTA) programming. You just need to hook up the UHF antenna and have the unit rescan for available channels. Once scanned, my channel line up adds a .1 to each local channel to denote its HD equivalent. So I have channels 4, 4.1, 5, 5.1, 8, 8.1, etc Each of the .1 channels is the HD feed of the current analog channel.
The need for the antenna with an HD satellite receiver is old hat. I had that setup for years and finally switched to the locals through the dish and it's much, much better.
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Huh? I have Charter and have every local channel in HD besides Channel 8 due to some Belo bullshit. I had to get the antenna just for ABC. The picture quality on the antenna is better too.

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I didnt know DirecTV offered local HD programming, just their package with about 10 varied content HD channels. Will have to ck that out

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I didnt know DirecTV offered local HD programming, just their package with about 10 varied content HD channels. Will have to ck that out
They do now. Not sure how long it's been that way. Dish has had it for a while. Both offer some pretty worthwhile HD channel lineups as well. A lot of the channels you have now, but in HD.

My new personal favorite is MHD. It's what MTV and VH1 should be, still playing lots of music, and in HD to boot. Seems like it's about 65-70% rap/hip-hop though, if you can dig it.
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post #50 of 60 (permalink) Old 11-13-2007, 04:12 PM Thread Starter
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Huh? I have Charter and have every local channel in HD besides Channel 8 due to some Belo bullshit. I had to get the antenna just for ABC. The picture quality on the antenna is better too.
I bought their "HD package" and it comes with 10 channels starting at Ch 770.

Yours is different?
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