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What subs should I use?

I have decided that the Mach 460 is nice, but it just ain't doin it for me bass-wise. I want to get some added bass, but I don't want to be one of "those guys" that goes around rattling the trunk lid and whatnot. I just want some good, powerful bass, that sounds really good. I was thinking maybe two 8" or 10" subs, or possibly one 12" sub, but I don't really know how many watts of power I should use. Any suggestions?

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What kind of budget do you have? How much space are you willing to give up? Do you want something that would be easy to remove? Any particular brand you prefer? What type of music do you listen to?

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I would recommend two 10 inch subs in a box that you can remove if you are racing someone.. you did not specify what vehicle this is going in but that would have an inpact on my desicion... I have a 10w7 in my cobra and it is a very nice and loud sub but weights to much and the box is wedged in there so it just addds to the weight of my heavy ass car
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I have an '01 GT. Budget is an issue, but not a REAL issue; I don't want something cheap. I would like to have a box that I can take out when I need to, but that wouldn't be often. And I'm not too concerned with weight. And I don't want to give up the WHOLE trunk, but I don't really carry too much stuff in my trunk.

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I would recommend two 10 inch subs in a box that you can remove if you are racing someone.. you did not specify what vehicle this is going in but that would have an inpact on my desicion... I have a 10w7 in my cobra and it is a very nice and loud sub but weights to much and the box is wedged in there so it just addds to the weight of my heavy ass car
70lbs (or whatever) makes little difference in performance.
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I have an '01 GT. Budget is an issue, but not a REAL issue; I don't want something cheap. I would like to have a box that I can take out when I need to, but that wouldn't be often. And I'm not too concerned with weight. And I don't want to give up the WHOLE trunk, but I don't really carry too much stuff in my trunk.
10W6v2 works in small enclosures. Boston G5 is also a good choice. A single 12" W1v2 and enclosure is very inexpensive and would work well w/200W RMS.
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get two 10 inch diamond audio d9's
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a budget and the type of music you listen to would really help this thread out.

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Budget is an issue, but not a REAL issue; I don't want something cheap.
That, and I listen mostly to 102.1 (alternative/rock), but also quite a bit of 97.9/104.5 (rap/r&b). I would like to limit the budget to a few hundred, but also wouldn't be against buying something used, so I could get something better for less money.

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Do you already have an amp? If so, what is it?

Good luck on not rattling the trunk, lol.
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No, as of right now, I just have the stock Mach 460. And if it rattles, I'll get Dynamat

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i would recomend 1 12inch sub. JL sub, pioneer, id also go with a 900 watt amp or bigger for good deep bass. <<< or the bass that your wanting.

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I've also considered getting new f/r speakers for my birthday present, and that would be a decent increase in bass, and then deciding from there what bass level I want. Cuz wouldn't a subwoofer (or two) sound alot better with some aftermarket speakers? So I can get some sound clarity and good midrange, and not just the droning of the subwoofer.

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I've also considered getting new f/r speakers for my birthday present, and that would be a decent increase in bass, and then deciding from there what bass level I want. Cuz wouldn't a subwoofer (or two) sound alot better with some aftermarket speakers? So I can get some sound clarity and good midrange, and not just the droning of the subwoofer.

This is where your budget comes into play.

You can definitely add an amp and sub(s) to your factory system and just leave it at that. If that is really all you want to do, just for a little extra bass, then stay simple.

But if you want to go beyond that at any time, I would go ahead and start with the head unit. Then you can add an amp and sub(s) the right way. Then I would upgrade the front speakers and another amp. You can still do this with quality brand name entry level stuff and stay relatively cheap. Then you can upgrade each part of the system as you see fit and as your budget allows.

BTW, I have nothing but praises for Dynamat. I have a sheet or two on my Explorer. Be careful - it's addictive!
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You don't think the power from the factory headunit would be enough to power the speakers? I'm not looking to win any SPL contests here. In my old Integra, I had a basic Pioneer 52x4 headunit, and it did a perfectly fine job of powering my 4 6.5" speakers. If I had added an amp/subs to that, it would have been perfect. I just don't want to change anything that's not really necessary.

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You don't think the power from the factory headunit would be enough to power the speakers? I'm not looking to win any SPL contests here. In my old Integra, I had a basic Pioneer 52x4 headunit, and it did a perfectly fine job of powering my 4 6.5" speakers. If I had added an amp/subs to that, it would have been perfect. I just don't want to change anything that's not really necessary.

Sure, you can do it that way, but you might as well just add only the amp and subs if you are trying to keep it really simple and cut corners. If you do swap the head unit and front speakers, I would recommend getting a decent amp to power the front speakers instead of using the head unit itself. 52 watts from a basic Pioneer head unit is probably more like 15-20 watts RMS. It would sound much better if you didn't use the power from the head unit at all, ran RCAs to another amp, and powered your fronts that way. This will really help your mids and highs keep up with the added bass from an amp and subs out back. Otherwise, you'll have to crank the head unit to get the volume you need to match the subs, and by doing so you will be cranking up the distortion, making for a crappy sound and maybe even ruining your speakers. Installing two amps is not much more work than installing one, since you don't have to run another power wire through the firewall. Just use a thick enough wire, a fuse big enough for both amps combined, and a distribution block.
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Tell you what... since I've never done any of this, it's not really making the most sense over the internet. So when I get back from LA on Friday, I'm just gonna go to a car-audio place and talk to them about what I want, and what I should do to accomplish that. Thanks alot for your help guys.

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i would recomend 1 12inch sub. JL sub, pioneer, id also go with a 900 watt amp or bigger for good deep bass. <<< or the bass that your wanting.

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900 watts or bigger on one 12? Damn! Maybe if you're running a W7 you would need that much power...

GSRGuy94 - To just add some bass to the 460 you don't need much for it to sound good. I have a JL 10w3v2 in a small box with 200 watts and it is plenty for what you seem to be looking for. It gives a very full sound inside the car but you can't hear it 3 blocks away. You can hear it outside the vehicle but not far, and it's just enough that it doesn't give the rattle..

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get two 10 inch diamond audio d9's
I second that. So much cleaner and tighter bass than JL crap

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LOL at the JL generalization especially when they win awards at CES for the best sounding demo car with their cheapest products. JL makes 4 lines of woofers, each in multiple sizes and prices.
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That, and I listen mostly to 102.1 (alternative/rock), but also quite a bit of 97.9/104.5 (rap/r&b). I would like to limit the budget to a few hundred, but also wouldn't be against buying something used, so I could get something better for less money.
i had an 02gt.my only problem was SPACE.i couldnt get anything bigger than 10s to fit without alot of force or removing the mach system...also please tell me your not running around with the stock 6disk. i changed mine out and noticed a big difference because the stock radio had a bass filter that limited the output...only problem ive encountered in my 99 was when i put in the screen i had to bypass the factory amp... just my $.02
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Go with 2 12" Diamond Macdaddys and a directed 1100d amp.... throw a litte dynomat in that bad boy and your set to go
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I want to get some added bass, but I don't want to be one of "those guys" that goes around rattling the trunk lid and whatnot.
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I would like to have a box that I can take out when I need to, but that wouldn't be often. And I don't want to give up the WHOLE trunk, but I don't really carry too much stuff in my trunk.

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10W6v2 works in small enclosures. Boston G5 is also a good choice. A single 12" W1v2 and enclosure is very inexpensive and would work well w/200W RMS.

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To just add some bass to the 460 you don't need much for it to sound good. I have a JL 10w3v2 in a small box with 200 watts and it is plenty for what you seem to be looking for. It gives a very full sound inside the car but you can't hear it 3 blocks away. You can hear it outside the vehicle but not far, and it's just enough that it doesn't give the rattle..
I still say one 10, maybe a 12 as EW suggested. You get the sound you seem to be looking for (see the first quote), you only lose a small amount of space (2nd quote), it can be easily removed when necessary (2nd quote) and you donít break the bank.

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I'm a single 10" fan myself. I have an MTX MXS1004, with a box made to their specs - but put together well. With that single 10, I AM one of those with the loud bass outside, rattling trunk...I think I can feel my lungs vibrating and such.

With the MTX enclosure, I had to slightly modify it - but it slides in and out easily. If you'd like I can meet ya somewhere to hear it on Friday sometime.

Anyway, with that single 10" "MTX" sub I need to invest in dynamat/whatever stuff. 2 10s, 2 12s...etc will be too much based off what you're saying you want.

IMHO, the enclose is as important or more important then the sub itself. Don't cheap out on it.

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Edit: I thought about my statement. My bass is loud outside, but not like the nice systems where it also rattles your mirrors when your a car or two away. Still, I'll commit to you being surprised by what 1 10" can do - or 1 12".

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I didn't go too nuts in my Taurus either. I've got a stock head unit and speakers. I picked up a 12 mtx in a box 2nd hand for $50 off craigslist and then got a 200w class d amp free that was pulled from a dealership trade in

Granted I've got more trunk room in my taurus but it doesnt get in the way at all and for my total investment I can't complain.

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I have a single 12" alpine sub in a custom box that slips underneath the factory sub and amps in my 03 GT. I also have 500 watts going to it and it gets plent loud enough. Everything cost me about 500 bucks, but was well worth it. If you get a sub, fade the out the bass and make sure the majority of the sound is coming from the front speakers. I listen to Hard rock and metal so bass wasn't a major issue with me, but I have it when I want it.

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i have two tens in my 03 GT from the factory its a mach 1000 system and the tens are in the rear in each corner of the rear quarters and for the factory shit holly shit surprised the shit out of me, it hits as hard as my truck and all my truck is custom, i mainly listen to country not any good rock anymore? occasionaly some 97.9 and 106.1 & 104.5!
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