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Unread 03-16-2010, 11:24 AM   #1
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How to make your yard look like a golf course?

I have owned my house now for 8-9 years. I have always kinda taken pride in my yard. Im not overly fanatic, but I do take good care of it.

I have bermuda grass in my yard. I fertilize a few times a year, I water 2-3 days a week in the summer, mow once a week, etc..

the grass looks good, dont get me wrong. I probably have one of the nicer yards in my neighborhood. I played with the mower height a few times. I used to like it real tall and thick looking, but now Im thinking of changing to a low profile look.

I was on the golf course Sunday and their fairways were still dead looking. But there was a house with the nicest looking grass I have ever seen. I told my buddy it had to be turf, no way it was real. So we went over and looked close, even pulled a piece out to verify and sure enough, it was real. I swear, his yard looked better than the golf course in its best shape.

So my question is, how do I get that look? Obviously I need to cut it shorter, which Im sure Ill have to do slowly as right now I would just scalp it. But how do I get that DARK GREEN look? Any tips/tricks other than just water/scotts fertilizer I been doing?
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Unread 03-16-2010, 11:31 AM   #2
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I have owned my house now for 8-9 years. I have always kinda taken pride in my yard. Im not overly fanatic, but I do take good care of it.

I have bermuda grass in my yard. I fertilize a few times a year, I water 2-3 days a week in the summer, mow once a week, etc..

the grass looks good, dont get me wrong. I probably have one of the nicer yards in my neighborhood. I played with the mower height a few times. I used to like it real tall and thick looking, but now Im thinking of changing to a low profile look.

I was on the golf course Sunday and their fairways were still dead looking. But there was a house with the nicest looking grass I have ever seen. I told my buddy it had to be turf, no way it was real. So we went over and looked close, even pulled a piece out to verify and sure enough, it was real. I swear, his yard looked better than the golf course in its best shape.

So my question is, how do I get that look? Obviously I need to cut it shorter, which Im sure Ill have to do slowly as right now I would just scalp it. But how do I get that DARK GREEN look? Any tips/tricks other than just water/scotts fertilizer I been doing?


I've always heard it was tiff grass (on the fairways), but I'm not sure. I posted in another thread the other day, and some lawn jockey (zemog) laughed at me because according to him, tiff is bermuda. I don't know the real answer, but I know what you are talking about. I will try and snap a couple pictures tonight, as a neigbor down the street has that same type of grass, as does another house a few blocks away. I know the type of grass I'm talking about requires a special lawn mower.


Oh, and don't worry about scalping your yard. Now is the time to do it if you want to do it. It will help the grass grow in thicker which in turn will help choke out the weeds.
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Unread 03-16-2010, 11:35 AM   #3
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Ya, i was told golf course's use a "reel" mower. Which are like the old fashion push mowers. But the gas powered ones are pretty expensive. I wonder how one of those push ones would work?

I believe he was correct on the tiff=bermuda. I think its just a certain type of bermuda. I have no idea what type i have, just know its bermuda.
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Ya, i was told golf course's use a "reel" mower. Which are like the old fashion push mowers. But the gas powered ones are pretty expensive. I wonder how one of those push ones would work?

I believe he was correct on the tiff=bermuda. I think its just a certain type of bermuda. I have no idea what type i have, just know its bermuda.

My Dad's neighbor still uses a reel mower. But then again, at 85ish, he probably can't control a self propelled lawnmower.


And yeah, the gas reel mowers are fucking ridiculous. I still want that grass, though. I will probably do it next year myself.
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Unread 03-16-2010, 11:48 AM   #5
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this "lawn jockey" is also a golf course superintendant,
and i wasnt being a jerk , i was just clarifying
the grass you probably saw was winter rye,
fairways have a variety of different grasses,
tifway "419" hybrid bermuda along with all the other tif grasses were developed in tifton georgia, hence the name tif
tif "328" bermuda
tifway, tifgreen
some have just improved bermuda
greens have old school " 328" not many of these left
most have mini verde bermuda, champions bermuda, tifeagle etc..

most fairways are mowed 2 to 3 times weekly at a final height of 3/8" usually maybe a 1/2 if its really hot, it varies from course to course according to $$
for your home lawn 1/2" if good if you have a reel mower
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Unread 03-16-2010, 11:59 AM   #7
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zemog,

So whats the trick to getting my yard to look like that? Would I need to overseed with some tiff? Then could I use my current regular mower and just mow it low? What about those push reel mowers? Are they any good?

Then what about water/fertilize, etc... whats the trick to getting it looking THAT good.
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Unread 03-16-2010, 12:06 PM   #8
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tif is only available in sod, sprigs, or plugs.
you can use a push mower on it, you are just going to have to mow it 2 or 3 times a week, it is best with a reel mower, i have not used the cheaper reel mowers, (mine cost around 8k for the 21" toro flex greens mower, and 28k each for the tri plex) so i am not sure how they mow, i dont do a whole lot different on the fairways than i do on my residential contracts, fert 5 times during the growing season starting in april, you can spray a nutrient package with iron, calcium, manganese, etc.. that really helps with the color, as opposed to just nitrogen.
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do you mind making me a list of what products I should use and when I should use them?
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Unread 03-16-2010, 12:18 PM   #10
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i have everything blended according to what nutrients are lacking, according to my soil test, there is no one product to use, i suggest having or taking a soil sample and see where you are at. for the home owner i would call you local lesco/john deere landscapes shop , and they can help you out.
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Any nursery should be able to process a soil sample, or at least send it off. Then they will tell you what you need, according to what type of grass you have, etc.
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Unread 03-16-2010, 08:50 PM   #12
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The idiots that built my house planted tiff. At the end of each summer i have carpet. But to keep it that green requires frequent watering and fertilizer. Only do this if you are willing to provide the amount of water and fertilizer it takes, and it really requires mowing about every 4-5 days. I just use an ordinary craftsman mower on it.

Also, it tends to come up a month after everyone else's grass has turned green (so the weeds have a good head start), and it stays green for about a month after everyone else's grass has yellowed (gotta keep on mowing). In other words, lots of maintenance. Fall preemergent is a must.

But when it's right, you'll have the best yard in the neighborhood.
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Zemog...

So my wife ordered like 2000 plugs of zoysia grass. Do you have any experience with this? Will it "take over" the grass I already have? What is the best way to put these plugs in the ground and what do I need to do to care for it once it is in the ground? Thanks a lot.
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the best way is to start with a bare area and not have any grass or weeds that will compete with the new grass, zoysia is somewhat slow to cover when compared to bermuda or st augustine, but it is a very nice, dense lawn when full,
try and start with a clean bedding site, you can use a trowel to plant the plugs ( i have a special plugging tool for the course, but a trowel will work) plant the plugs in a checker board pattern between 6 and 12" apart (the closer they are the sooner full coverage), also apply a starter fertilizer (12-24-14 or similiar), keep plugs moist as they tend to dry fairly quick, and try to keep any weeds or grasses clean from between the new plugs so there is less competition when trying to spread.
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I heard that zoysia is really nice and hearty grass. How would it do in a shady yard?
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the best way is to start with a bare area and not have any grass or weeds that will compete with the new grass, zoysia is somewhat slow to cover when compared to bermuda or st augustine, but it is a very nice, dense lawn when full,
try and start with a clean bedding site, you can use a trowel to plant the plugs ( i have a special plugging tool for the course, but a trowel will work) plant the plugs in a checker board pattern between 6 and 12" apart (the closer they are the sooner full coverage), also apply a starter fertilizer (12-24-14 or similiar), keep plugs moist as they tend to dry fairly quick, and try to keep any weeds or grasses clean from between the new plugs so there is less competition when trying to spread.
So in an existing yard is it ok to plant it or do I need to somehow get the grass that is already there out?
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I've always heard it was tiff grass (on the fairways), but I'm not sure. I posted in another thread the other day, and some lawn jockey (zemog) laughed at me because according to him, tiff is bermuda. I don't know the real answer, but I know what you are talking about. I will try and snap a couple pictures tonight, as a neigbor down the street has that same type of grass, as does another house a few blocks away. I know the type of grass I'm talking about requires a special lawn mower.


Oh, and don't worry about scalping your yard. Now is the time to do it if you want to do it. It will help the grass grow in thicker which in turn will help choke out the weeds.

If you don't believe him, maybe you'll believe the internet.

http://www.lawnplugs.com/bermuda/bermuda419.html
http://www.pacificearth.com/cont/tif.html
http://www.lawnworks-sa.com/tiff419.html
http://www.bermudagrass.com/varieties/
http://www.eastonsod.com/index_tifway.html
http://www.sodfather.com/turf-grass/...19-bermuda.asp
http://www.sandhillturf.com/TifwayBermuda.asp
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So in an existing yard is it ok to plant it or do I need to somehow get the grass that is already there out?
i would get rid of what you have , otherwise you will end up with a mix, one will not completely take the other over, if it doesnt matter to you if it is a mix then go ahead.
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I heard that zoysia is really nice and hearty grass. How would it do in a shady yard?
you can put zoysia in the same book as st. augustine, it will do ok in partial shade (it will not thrive, but it will live), full shade is a no no.
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damn, now you are giving away all my secrets, lol
who needs school and 15plus years of experience, just believe everything on the net and you are golden!!
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I can assure you the type of grass I'm talking about is not Bermuda. I've always heard it called tiff. My dad has Bermuda, and it's not the same grass as what I am talking about. Nice try though, assclown.
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wow, you are aware there are 400 different kinds of bermuda
tif is a hybid bermuda grass, but , well, nevermind. i give you have tif and not bermuda
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I can assure you the type of grass I'm talking about is not Bermuda. I've always heard it called tiff. My dad has Bermuda, and it's not the same grass as what I am talking about. Nice try though, assclown.


I put the statement in bold in your post that I quoted where you said you don't believe Tif is Bermuda, and the links I posted are trying to describe some of the Tif Bermuda. What you take from it is obviously subject to what you want to read and believe. That said, take into consideration that there are over 400 species of this grass from what I have read over the years(and according to the lawn jockey), and they all have their own characteristics, including how they look and feel. Nonetheless, I can tell from your posts that no one is going to change your mind as it's safe to say that it's no use trying to reason with you because you are the type of person that is never wrong and even if you don't know the answer to something(which you already admitted to in this thread) the real answer sure as hell isn't what someone on this board says it is, even if that person has a lot of experience in the field at hand.


Good luck figuring out what type of grass it is, keyboard warrior.
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I heard that zoysia is really nice and hearty grass. How would it do in a shady yard?
Zoysia is supposed to be unkillable.... It fucking died on me. And it's expensive and it's a pain in the ass to plant.
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I have a giant oak tree in the front yard, what grass could i plant that will live under this bastard? I don't want to take the tree as it is well established and the yard would look naked.
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I can assure you the type of grass I'm talking about is not Bermuda. I've always heard it called tiff. My dad has Bermuda, and it's not the same grass as what I am talking about. Nice try though, assclown.
It is short for Tifton, and there are plenty of Tifton hybrids. They are all a bermuda grass but bermuda is a wide group. Most of the hybrids are from African stocks, and start off life as a potential grazing/hay source. That's the nice thing about the bermudas, they will grow smaller and spread by rhizome if you keep them trimmed, or grow really huge and seed if you don't. Makes them pretty versatile.

My lawn will grow to 3 feet with 1" blades if we get lots of rain and I don't cut it. And it is a PITA to cut then. I try to catch it once a month whether it needs it or not just to avoid that.
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I have a giant oak tree in the front yard, what grass could i plant that will live under this bastard? I don't want to take the tree as it is well established and the yard would look naked.
We have 8 or 10 and last year we had someone come out and take off all of the lower limbs and thin out some if the upper limbs. That helps to let some light in.
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didnt read the whole thread but i had a customer one time that lived on a golf course and he had his whole front yard done in tiff grass.....he said it "grows" like that. im sure some maintenance is done to it but it was pretty crazy looking
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I use to work at a golf course when I was younger, and I can tell you mowing the green is pretty tricky business. I think I worked there for a couple years and never quite managed to not scalp at least some portion of the green. Maybe it was the power reel mower, I don't know. It's better to think of greens as moss than actual grass.
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It is short for Tifton, and there are plenty of Tifton hybrids. They are all a bermuda grass but bermuda is a wide group. Most of the hybrids are from African stocks, and start off life as a potential grazing/hay source. That's the nice thing about the bermudas, they will grow smaller and spread by rhizome if you keep them trimmed, or grow really huge and seed if you don't. Makes them pretty versatile.

My lawn will grow to 3 feet with 1" blades if we get lots of rain and I don't cut it. And it is a PITA to cut then. I try to catch it once a month whether it needs it or not just to avoid that.
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I just lightly spread worm castings on my burmuda this past week, hoping it helps the grass grow thicker. anyone used this before?
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Don't bother. He is right and everyone else is wrong. /story
You're a blithering, bumbling, retard. It's that simple.


It's not common bermuda, period. You'd think after I said that 500 times in this thread, you would catch on. Apparently not.
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u never said anything about common bermuda, u said its not bermuda
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