4.6 trick flows...

greenbullitt · 07-02-2009, 05:17 PM

im not a huge fan of mod motors myself, but i read today on another board...

4.6
stock intake
comp 278's
long tubes
with pi heads came in at 305rwhp
with 38cc tf's made 353rwhp!!!! thats actually kinda cool to me...still nothing super, but not too shabby when youre use to seeing 300 and down on these cars...

greenbullitt · 07-02-2009, 05:18 PM

link if anyone cares

http://forums.corral.net/forums/show...69#post8964869

Chuck · 07-02-2009, 05:37 PM

I've been curious to see what these heads will do. That's really good for 2v.

jakesford · 07-02-2009, 05:56 PM

Not too bad, its only taken 18 years

greenbullitt · 07-02-2009, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jakesford

Not too bad, its only taken 18 years

no kidding!

Gumby5.0 · 07-02-2009, 06:33 PM

Thats pretty freaken decent for a 2-valve mod motor.

Tyrone Biggums · 07-02-2009, 06:47 PM

Wow. That's much better than ported stockers and 278's. Ask me how I know.

DHGBullitt3345 · 07-02-2009, 08:35 PM

I feel an itch.

89gt-stanger · 07-02-2009, 09:05 PM

These heads will be on order very soon.

dumpycapri85 · 07-03-2009, 09:01 AM

That would have been a good gain over stock heads but that is over ported heads . Looks like those heads were worth the waite .

Turbo5.4 · 07-03-2009, 09:06 AM

they are already out... fox lake is doing a special on port work for them... they flow what a non ported 4v head flows out of the box...

ported they can do really well...

imagine a big bore stroker with these heads and a set of custom spec cams.. i see 400rwhp NA from the 2vs soon... its been done with the 4vs already... hell 700rwhp NA has been achieved with a 5.4 4v....

these heads are def worth the money.. they are shipping the NA version now from what i understand the PA ones will be available shortly...

aggie97 · 07-03-2009, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck

I've been curious to see what these heads will do. That's really good for 2v.

I want to see if they last. Too many head manufacturers lately have started using cheap valves lately and trashing motors. I was going to try a set of these but not wanting to trash my mega-buck shortblock to be the guniea pig. I hope all works out well and I will be watching that thread for sure as the car is one of my fellow AI competitors up north.

What I don't get is that we have been told all along the intake was the bottle neck and now it appears the head design was....? I can only imagine what those heads on my car with the P51 and larger cams would do?!

gip99drop · 07-03-2009, 09:14 AM

How much they cost?

89gt-stanger · 07-03-2009, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turbo5.4

they are already out... fox lake is doing a special on port work for them... they flow what a non ported 4v head flows out of the box...

ported they can do really well...

imagine a big bore stroker with these heads and a set of custom spec cams.. i see 400rwhp NA from the 2vs soon... its been done with the 4vs already... hell 700rwhp NA has been achieved with a 5.4 4v....

these heads are def worth the money.. they are shipping the NA version now from what i understand the PA ones will be available shortly...

What are they going to cost? $2k,? I want to get a set and have about $2.5k to play with.

What do yall see a car with the P 51 intake, 75mm throttle body, CAI, tpx262 cams and full exhaust (lt's, hf catted X, slp's).

fastwhite99gt · 07-03-2009, 10:34 AM

looks like i might get a set to replace my ported ones, see what they will do with stroker, stage 2 blower cams, p51 intake and about 18lbs of procharged boost

aggie97 · 07-03-2009, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gip99drop

How much they cost?

$2k....I have talked to Cushman Motorsports and I think he is quoting $1995. They still haven't hit the street yet so most all prices are backorder prices. I will wait till they prove out first before I drop that much coin on a set.

terminator03 · 07-05-2009, 05:11 PM

damn 353hp is stout for a n/a 2v

Adam · 07-05-2009, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 89gt-stanger

What are they going to cost? $2k,? I want to get a set and have about $2.5k to play with.

What do yall see a car with the P 51 intake, 75mm throttle body, CAI, tpx262 cams and full exhaust (lt's, hf catted X, slp's).

The cams are probably a little small for the heads and intake you want....

Badass2000gt · 07-05-2009, 06:01 PM

Nice tq numbers too.

jw33 · 07-05-2009, 06:21 PM

That's cute....

89gt-stanger · 07-05-2009, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam

The cams are probably a little small for the heads and intake you want....

Should i scrap the 262's and go for 278's?

Turbo5.4 · 07-05-2009, 11:16 PM

the bigger the cam the better those heads will like it..

i would do a crower stage 4 lol...

i have a friend who has a all out race cam in his street car and its wicked... drivabilty isnt much worse then a stage 3 but he made like 10rwhp more then a guy with a stage 3 setup...

I would love to see a BIG BORE with these heads ported and some custom cams... ALL DAY 500rwhp!!!! NA!!!

aggie97 · 07-06-2009, 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turbo5.4

I would love to see a BIG BORE with these heads ported and some custom cams... ALL DAY 500rwhp!!!! NA!!!

Your smoking crack....400 rwhp maybe, but NOT 500...

Turbo5.4 · 07-06-2009, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aggie97

Your smoking crack....400 rwhp maybe, but NOT 500...

how do you figure??? if naz can make 450rwhp with a big bore and some c heads (which the trick flows flow right there with them) how can this setup not make that...

Ported trick flows
custom cams
big bore kit...

FOR SURE 450+ with a high comp motor notched pistons and all... they will clear 500rwhp just give it time...

aggie97 · 07-06-2009, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turbo5.4

how do you figure??? if naz can make 450rwhp with a big bore and some c heads (which the trick flows flow right there with them) how can this setup not make that...

Ported trick flows
custom cams
big bore kit...

FOR SURE 450+ with a high comp motor notched pistons and all... they will clear 500rwhp just give it time...

Where are you bringing 4V heads into this conversation? We are talking 2V heads here genius....

Just because a trick flow casting comes close to a 4V head doesn't mean shit when it comes to trying to make that power above 6000 rpm. I don't see 575 crank hp out of a 304 cube motor unless there is 17:1 compression and 10,000 rpm.....nor would it last very long either!

Super Coupe · 07-06-2009, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aggie97

Where are you bringing 4V heads into this conversation? We are talking 2V heads here genius....

Just because a trick flow casting comes close to a 4V head doesn't mean shit when it comes to trying to make that power above 6000 rpm. I don't see 575 crank hp out of a 304 cube motor unless there is 17:1 compression and 10,000 rpm.....nor would it last very long either!

There is a video of a white 99 cobra making 450rwhp na over in germany. Not sure but I bet that's close to 500 at the crank. It's is the 4v heads though.

Turbo5.4 · 07-06-2009, 02:01 PM

i always spun my 2v to atleast 6500... even my 5.4 2v HD spun to 6k....

i am just looking at flow on these... and there have the potential to make the power.. it will just be time before they work it...

ask scott at cushman... i am sure he will say what they have the potential of...

he has the HIGH NA 4v i know of....

Super Coupe · 07-06-2009, 02:05 PM

This car. 4v

99+Cobra+vs.+03+Cobra

Looks like it has made 537rwhp all motor.

Correct, as far as the bumpers goes. Same car just made 537RWHP all motor! Trapping 129 MPH on a 4.6l based......all motor @ 3600LBS! www.naztyperformance.com

Chuck · 07-06-2009, 03:11 PM

What are the flow rates on these heads?

I knew they were better than ported PI heads, but I thought they still fell below 3v and 4v heads.

DHGBullitt3345 · 07-06-2009, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck

What are the flow rates on these heads?

I knew they were better than ported PI heads, but I thought they still fell below 3v and 4v heads.

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INTAKE

	Twisted Wedge	PI	SVO		
lift	CFM				vs. PI	vs SVO
0.1	56.2		51	54	10.20%	4.07%
0.2	122.5		102	106	20.10%	15.57%
0.3	172.7		138	155	25.14%	11.42%
0.4	212.6		153	177	38.95%	20.11%
0.5	233.3		156	193	49.55%	20.88%
0.55	241		159	203	51.57%	18.72%
0.6	236.3		160	206	47.69%	14.71%
0.65	241.7					
						
						
EXHAUST
					
	Twisted Wedge	PI	SVO		
lift	CFM					
0.1	42.6		49	46	-13.06%	-7.39%
0.2	95.9		84	90	14.17%	6.56%
0.3	134.8		107	119	25.98%	13.28%
0.4	164.4		123	134	33.66%	22.69%
0.5	174.6		133	140	31.28%	24.71%
0.55	177.4		136	141	30.44%	25.82%
0.6	180.1		138	143	30.51%	25.94%
0.65	182.3

dan03mach · 07-06-2009, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Super Coupe

This car. 4v

99+Cobra+vs.+03+Cobra

Looks like it has made 537rwhp all motor.

Correct, as far as the bumpers goes. Same car just made 537RWHP all motor! Trapping 129 MPH on a 4.6l based......all motor @ 3600LBS! www.naztyperformance.com

That would be NAZ he is the same guy that did the port work on my stock heads.

aggie97 · 07-06-2009, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turbo5.4

i always spun my 2v to atleast 6500... even my 5.4 2v HD spun to 6k....

i am just looking at flow on these... and there have the potential to make the power.. it will just be time before they work it...

ask scott at cushman... i am sure he will say what they have the potential of...

he has the HIGH NA 4v i know of....

I know Scott and Jim VERY well....they built my race motor. I can also tell you, he would laugh if you told him someone would make 500rwhp NA with a 2V with ANY head on it! I see 400rwhp potential, maybe even 430...that's about it though.

I'm glad someone finally had the balls to build a 2V mod head, however, like I said, I want to see how the valves and springs last before I put $2000 in heads on top of a $5k shortblock doing what I do to it!

terminator03 · 07-06-2009, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Super Coupe

There is a video of a white 99 cobra making 450rwhp na over in germany. Not sure but I bet that's close to 500 at the crank. It's is the 4v heads though.

lol thats naz and thats in texas

Yale · 07-06-2009, 10:05 PM

Now I want a Bullitt.

Mustangman_2000 · 07-06-2009, 11:09 PM

Impressive.

89gt-stanger · 07-06-2009, 11:26 PM

Looks like the N/A 4.6 2v haters are gonna can it, maybe. Well, except for jw33.

jw33 · 07-06-2009, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Super Coupe

This car. 4v

99+Cobra+vs.+03+Cobra

Looks like it has made 537rwhp all motor.

Correct, as far as the bumpers goes. Same car just made 537RWHP all motor! Trapping 129 MPH on a 4.6l based......all motor @ 3600LBS! www.naztyperformance.com

Very impressive and that thing sounds fucking awesome at full tilt. I'm still going to have to say that's far beyond the normal results for a N/A mod motor.......

Super Coupe · 07-06-2009, 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jw33

Very impressive and that thing sounds fucking awesome at full tilt. I'm still going to have to say that's far beyond the normal results for a N/A mod motor.......

Most mod motor guys don't ever go into the engine like that. They just slap power adders on them which is fine too.

greenbullitt · 07-07-2009, 01:53 PM

shiii, i know someone going for 1000 rwhp on pi heads...unported!

terminator03 · 07-07-2009, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jw33

Very impressive and that thing sounds fucking awesome at full tilt. I'm still going to have to say that's far beyond the normal results for a N/A mod motor.......

He started a company that sells hci combos for mod motors
http://www.naztyperformance.com/index.html

jw33 · 07-07-2009, 10:30 PM

Nice. I'm happy with what I've got though, I'll pass.

Turbo5.4 · 07-09-2009, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aggie97

I know Scott and Jim VERY well....they built my race motor. I can also tell you, he would laugh if you told him someone would make 500rwhp NA with a 2V with ANY head on it! I see 400rwhp potential, maybe even 430...that's about it though.

I'm glad someone finally had the balls to build a 2V mod head, however, like I said, I want to see how the valves and springs last before I put $2000 in heads on top of a $5k shortblock doing what I do to it!

i just see more then that coming out of it......

but like i said only time will tell...

96BluOvl · 07-09-2009, 07:45 PM

Yeah now i just need some Trickflows for my 3V.

Muffrazr · 07-10-2009, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 96BluOvl

Yeah now i just need some Trickflows for my 3V.

Why? Get them ported and they'll flow nicely.

Adam · 07-10-2009, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 89gt-stanger

Should i scrap the 262's and go for 278's?

Custom grinds or vt stg 2's...

Turbo5.4 · 07-11-2009, 04:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam

Custom grinds or vt stg 2's...

VT really????

a custom grind is also better then the off the shelf cam setup as it can be tailored to your needs....

call comp or crower and tell them your plans and what you wanna do then they will say this would be the setup...

call them both so you can look to see the difference...

then find a off the shelf cam setup close to it.. if you dont wanna order a set of custom ones...

89gt-stanger · 07-11-2009, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam

Custom grinds or vt stg 2's...

I have been looking at Comps.

Cheezebandit · 07-11-2009, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turbo5.4

VT really????

a custom grind is also better then the off the shelf cam setup as it can be tailored to your needs....

call comp or crower and tell them your plans and what you wanna do then they will say this would be the setup...

call them both so you can look to see the difference...

then find a off the shelf cam setup close to it.. if you dont wanna order a set of custom ones...

VT / CMS stage 2's are a good cam for a mild setup .. if you don't agree then you are obviously dumb.

Turbo5.4 · 07-12-2009, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cheezebandit

VT / CMS stage 2's are a good cam for a mild setup .. if you don't agree then you are obviously dumb.

the poster said VT....

not cushman...

move along....

07-02-2009, 05:17 PM	#1
greenbullitt WRECKIN' BALL BITCHES! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: listening to the box of excuses why fourteen3s million dollar car wont run a number... Posts: 8,178	4.6 trick flows... im not a huge fan of mod motors myself, but i read today on another board... 4.6 stock intake comp 278's long tubes with pi heads came in at 305rwhp with 38cc tf's made 353rwhp!!!! thats actually kinda cool to me...still nothing super, but not too shabby when youre use to seeing 300 and down on these cars...

07-02-2009, 05:37 PM	#3
Chuck Punk Ass Newbie Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Aubrey, TX Posts: 4,388	I've been curious to see what these heads will do. That's really good for 2v. __________________ Chuck 2001 Black Bullitt 2009 Black JK Unlimited X, M6, 35's 2000 Black F-150 www.imboc.com Rob (Tweakd) Memorial 3/13/05

07-02-2009, 05:56 PM	#4
jakesford Gunga galunga Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Pimpin the West Side!! (Benbrook) Posts: 7,390	Not too bad, its only taken 18 years __________________ "Apres moi le deluge"

07-02-2009, 06:47 PM	#7
Tyrone Biggums Sha-ZAM! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 5:00 Free Peace Prize Giveaway Posts: 9,779	Wow. That's much better than ported stockers and 278's. Ask me how I know. __________________ 8/16/05

07-02-2009, 09:05 PM	#9
89gt-stanger Lifer Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Keller Posts: 2,428	These heads will be on order very soon. __________________ NO NO NO, it should be DFWLS1's, CUMMINS, C6 VETTES.net

07-02-2009, 05:18 PM	#2
greenbullitt WRECKIN' BALL BITCHES! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: listening to the box of excuses why fourteen3s million dollar car wont run a number... Posts: 8,178	link if anyone cares http://forums.corral.net/forums/show...69#post8964869

07-02-2009, 06:33 PM	#6
Gumby5.0 Time Served Join Date: May 2009 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 251	Thats pretty freaken decent for a 2-valve mod motor.

07-03-2009, 09:01 AM	#10
dumpycapri85 Time Served Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: NRH , Texas Posts: 698	That would have been a good gain over stock heads but that is over ported heads . Looks like those heads were worth the waite . __________________ I like my woman like I like my coffee , ground up and in the freezer .

07-03-2009, 09:14 AM	#13
gip99drop Money Made All Good Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 2,207	How much they cost?

07-03-2009, 10:34 AM	#15
fastwhite99gt Time Served Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Texarkana Posts: 186	looks like i might get a set to replace my ported ones, see what they will do with stroker, stage 2 blower cams, p51 intake and about 18lbs of procharged boost __________________ 99 GT with all the bolt ons you will ever need (and 35 more boxes waiting to be installed) 06 Mercedes C230 (wifes new car since there are still 35 boxes in the garage) 03 Yamaha R1 (custom Blue lightning airbrushed show bike) 05 Raven R1 Awsome wheelie bike(now sold)

07-05-2009, 05:11 PM	#17
terminator03 mexico racer Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: mexico Posts: 7,844	damn 353hp is stout for a n/a 2v __________________ Oxford white 03 cobra sprayton 533hp 501tq blower only 612hp 781tq on an 80 shot hpp tuned

07-05-2009, 06:01 PM	#19
Badass2000gt Lifer Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 11,332	Nice tq numbers too.

07-05-2009, 06:21 PM	#20
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07-06-2009, 02:05 PM	#28
Super Coupe I'm callin you out! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Greenville Posts: 14,037	This car. 4v 99+Cobra+vs.+03+Cobra Looks like it has made 537rwhp all motor. Correct, as far as the bumpers goes. Same car just made 537RWHP all motor! Trapping 129 MPH on a 4.6l based......all motor @ 3600LBS! www.naztyperformance.com __________________ 1987 SSP Mustang Coupe- "The Enforcer"- It's peppy.

07-06-2009, 03:11 PM	#29
Chuck Punk Ass Newbie Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Aubrey, TX Posts: 4,388	What are the flow rates on these heads? I knew they were better than ported PI heads, but I thought they still fell below 3v and 4v heads. __________________ Chuck 2001 Black Bullitt 2009 Black JK Unlimited X, M6, 35's 2000 Black F-150 www.imboc.com Rob (Tweakd) Memorial 3/13/05

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07-06-2009, 11:26 PM	#36
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07-07-2009, 01:53 PM	#39
greenbullitt WRECKIN' BALL BITCHES! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: listening to the box of excuses why fourteen3s million dollar car wont run a number... Posts: 8,178	shiii, i know someone going for 1000 rwhp on pi heads...unported!

07-07-2009, 10:30 PM	#41
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07-09-2009, 07:45 PM	#43
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