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Unread 03-17-2006, 12:40 AM   #1
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I was talking to my fiances mom today and she was telling me all this shit about joel osteen. She was saying that her husband (really into church and all that) and her son(in seminary school) were baggin big time on joel osteen. They were saying that the reasons they dont like him is because he is a "fake" and makes you just feel good so you will give more money. They were also saying that he preachs so that people will praise him and that in the back of his stage instead of jesus christ is says joel osteen?

personally i really like joel osteen and enjoy listening to him compared to normal boring priests. I think that church is supposed to make you feel good and the idea that he is just doing that to make you give more is nuts.

Has anyone else heard anything like this or know anything more about this. I think he is a good person with a huge congregation of church "goers" and that makes him open for critisim. Post up. :thumb:
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I haven't listened to his broadcasts nor have I watched his televised services, so I am not sure whether or not what he preaches is true to the Word. What I do know is this: his wife got removed from a commercial flight recently. I don't know what went down, but I do know that if she practices what the Christian faith teaches, she would probably not have done whatever it was to get removed from the plane. That is just my observation, and it is only based on this one incident. It is impossible to tell his true motives, but I do know that not all Biblical messages are "feel good."
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He is a great public speaker, and a better capitalist.
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i watch him on tv all the time, and i have read his book, he is awesome...my mom loves him as well, and i bought her tickets to go see him when he was in dallas...
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I haven't listened to his broadcasts nor have I watched his televised services, so I am not sure whether or not what he preaches is true to the Word. What I do know is this: his wife got removed from a commercial flight recently. I don't know what went down, but I do know that if she practices what the Christian faith teaches, she would probably not have done whatever it was to get removed from the plane. That is just my observation, and it is only based on this one incident. It is impossible to tell his true motives, but I do know that not all Biblical messages are "feel good."
I actually heard rumors about that flight. But then again they are just rumors and as you know we are all human and have our boiling points. It wouldnt suprise me if some other preachers wives or people who are supposed to be all holy and stuff have been involved in things like that. The reason it was spread was because know her.

Also what did you mean by he is a better capitalist? Im not to sure what that means but please explain.
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Yeah, we all have our boiling points. I don't know what happened because I wasn't there, but I am dissapointed to hear about her involvement.
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I have seen his tv broadcast many times . He is a feel good preacher but is that worse than someone telling you "Now's the time to be saved for the end is near . " and capitalize on fear like J. Haege does ?
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Unread 03-19-2006, 01:02 PM   #9
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No i dont think that is worse.

I watched a show on him yest and they were talking about some of the money issues with Lakewood and how people think he does alot of his stuff just for money. What the show said was that he no longer gets a salary from the church due to his book sucess and that he still drives a 9 year old car that his dad gave him. To me that sounds nothing like someone who is money motivated.

To me he just sounds like he is a normal guy who is being attacked because of his success. I like him and feel good or not his sermons are awesome.
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I have attended he services at lakewood in houston, pretty cool cat. Not to mention the "rappers" that attend, mike jones, paul wall,.....
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Not to mention the "rappers" that attend, mike jones, paul wall,.....
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No i dont think that is worse.

I watched a show on him yest and they were talking about some of the money issues with Lakewood and how people think he does alot of his stuff just for money. What the show said was that he no longer gets a salary from the church due to his book sucess and that he still drives a 9 year old car that his dad gave him. To me that sounds nothing like someone who is money motivated.

To me he just sounds like he is a normal guy who is being attacked because of his success. I like him and feel good or not his sermons are awesome.
x2 and he preaches in the "summit"

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Well I see both sides in what you are saying- in today's age most of the preachers incorporate their face into the word just to get a rise to fame...but you have to take the good with the bad...Joel Olestein has a MASSIVE church for a few reasons- and apprenty enough people think he is doing the right thing so there's your sign. He isn't perfect, but he does speak the truth. Also- check out ED Young at fellowshipchurch.com, you can watch Ed's stuff on there, he is freakin awesome and funny too...I go every Sunday and look forward to it...instead of getting bored.
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Well I see both sides in what you are saying- in today's age most of the preachers incorporate their face into the word just to get a rise to fame...but you have to take the good with the bad...Joel Olestein has a MASSIVE church for a few reasons- and apprenty enough people think he is doing the right thing so there's your sign. He isn't perfect, but he does speak the truth. Also- check out ED Young at fellowshipchurch.com, you can watch Ed's stuff on there, he is freakin awesome and funny too...I go every Sunday and look forward to it...instead of getting bored.
I went to a church similar to Ed Young's church. The problem I had with it was that they didn't spend enough time on the message, and spent too much time on church events and skit type things...flashy stuff. I REALLY enjoyed the sermons and the church was VERY entertaining...but it wasn't like a church I was used to where you go and get a good one hour sermon that was very deep and make you think and dive deep into the bible. I've heard Ed Young's church is much like the church I used to attend, so I've never been interested...

I went through about 30 churches before I found a good one in DFW. I go to Irving Bible Church now and have confronted the pastor about his beliefs and he agreed with me nearly 100% across the board. I was very impressed. They are not money oriented, which I like very much, and the church is modestly built...yet huge inside. I can tell they're in it for the right reasons.

As for Joel Olsteen, church really should be able making you feel good. Why? Because the gospel (the good news) is that Jesus came to save us from our sins, and we don't have to beat ourselves up anymore. We're supposed to be living lives of freedom from sin and condemnation, yet many churches are condemning people and making them feel horrible in order to make money or because they're simply twisted. We can make ourselves feel bad...we don't need a church to do that for us. A church that teaches the truth and makes you feel good about being a Christian is good in my book. It's hard to find nowdays.
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You are so right. He does profit from this, and what is wrong with that!

He is a business man. So is our new pope.

I think God is amused to see all his/her children play and live and die. Wouldn't you be?

In a few hours, after much needed rest, I will head out west or north.

I never liked the Yankees, simply cause I like to play, not watch. I like a good time at Yankee Yankee Stadium, but tomorrow I will do some swaping, si Dios quiere.

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I guess my only input, is this: if you're not comfortable with a TV evangelist' message, don't send money. It's free to watch them, and they can't "exploit" you, unless you let them. If you want to tithe, find a local church you're comfortable with. They need the help, and it's more likely their hearts are in the right place when it comes to using the money. IMHO...
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You are so right. He does profit from this, and what is wrong with that!

He is a business man. So is our new pope.

I think God is amused to see all his/her children play and live and die. Wouldn't you be?

In a few hours, after much needed rest, I will head out west or north.

I never liked the Yankees, simply cause I like to play, not watch. I like a good time at Yankee Yankee Stadium, but tomorrow I will do some swaping, si Dios quiere.

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The problem I find with Olsteen is that he only preaches in generalizations about the benefits of what we can receive and achieve if we're "good people." I'm trying to remember one time I ever heard him give the people an invitation to accept Christ into their hearts or tell them that the only true way into heaven is through Jesus Christ.

Another thing, which I could see why he has such a large following, is that he never speaks about consequences and the laws that were given to us. You have to preach the good AND the bad to everyone. I'd give him A LITTLE credit if I heard something from him, along the lines of "The wages for sin is death..." or anything like it.
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This clip portrays the danger of Osteen's message

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We don't go to church to make ourselves feel good. We SHOULD be going to church to worship our Lord and Savior.

Olsteen's message doesnt always follow The Word.....Im leery of him.


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I was talking to my fiances mom today and she was telling me all this shit about joel osteen. She was saying that her husband (really into church and all that) and her son(in seminary school) were baggin big time on joel osteen. They were saying that the reasons they dont like him is because he is a "fake" and makes you just feel good so you will give more money. They were also saying that he preachs so that people will praise him and that in the back of his stage instead of jesus christ is says joel osteen?

personally i really like joel osteen and enjoy listening to him compared to normal boring priests. I think that church is supposed to make you feel good and the idea that he is just doing that to make you give more is nuts.

Has anyone else heard anything like this or know anything more about this. I think he is a good person with a huge congregation of church "goers" and that makes him open for critisim. Post up. :thumb:
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The problem I find with Olsteen is that he only preaches in generalizations about the benefits of what we can receive and achieve if we're "good people." I'm trying to remember one time I ever heard him give the people an invitation to accept Christ into their hearts or tell them that the only true way into heaven is through Jesus Christ.

Another thing, which I could see why he has such a large following, is that he never speaks about consequences and the laws that were given to us. You have to preach the good AND the bad to everyone. I'd give him A LITTLE credit if I heard something from him, along the lines of "The wages for sin is death..." or anything like it.
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We don't go to church to make ourselves feel good. We SHOULD be going to church to worship our Lord and Savior.

Olsteen's message doesnt always follow The Word.....Im leery of him.
Maybe I'll check this guy out. It sounds like he's taken out a lot of the crap I don't like about church.
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Maybe I'll check this guy out. It sounds like he's taken out a lot of the crap I don't like about church.
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Known the guy for years......he is a fake as is his whole family. His father was a preacher as well.
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There's something about the guy that I don't like.

Maybe that he talks like a child molester.
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Sorry to disagree, but we know him and all of his family and believe in his word 100%. When was the last time you hung out with him and the family? We do several times a year.
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Sorry to disagree, but we know him and all of his family and believe in his word 100%. When was the last time you hung out with him and the family? We do several times a year.
Last time I was with him, his father and the rest of the family was about 8 years ago. I had known them for 13 years leading up to that point. Let me guess.....you invested in the Family of Eagles?? Whatever your reasoning......money is what it takes to be successful in their eyes. I can't tell you how many titty bars we rolled up into in Joels Viper and countless other exotics. Jerry gave us $100 bills like it was a nickel. They only get involved in schemes that produce $$$. Ask them how Primerica is doing......lmao.
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Last time I was with him, his father and the rest of the family was about 8 years ago. I had known them for 13 years leading up to that point. Let me guess.....you invested in the Family of Eagles?? Whatever your reasoning......money is what it takes to be successful in their eyes. I can't tell you how many titty bars we rolled up into in Joels Viper and countless other exotics. Jerry gave us $100 bills like it was a nickel. They only get involved in schemes that produce $$$. Ask them how Primerica is doing......lmao.

Family of Eagles is the gold coin pyramid, right? I was approached by those guys and even went to one of their "seminars" about 13 years ago when I didn't know any better. I left with a quickness when I realized what it was. I had no idea that was linked to this guy.
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Last time I was with him, his father and the rest of the family was about 8 years ago. I had known them for 13 years leading up to that point. Let me guess.....you invested in the Family of Eagles?? Whatever your reasoning......money is what it takes to be successful in their eyes. I can't tell you how many titty bars we rolled up into in Joels Viper and countless other exotics. Jerry gave us $100 bills like it was a nickel. They only get involved in schemes that produce $$$. Ask them how Primerica is doing......lmao.
I find that hard to believe considering what he would have to lose. Besides, his dad died in 99 from a heart attack.


[Osteen] has not taken a salary from his Houston megachurch for two years. He owns one house — the same one he and his wife, Victoria, have lived in for 13 years — and until recently he drove a 9-year-old car he inherited from his late father. Osteen pays his own hotel bills, and there is no private jet.

Although the upbeat minister does take collections at services, netting an estimated $43 million a year, Osteen does not ask for money on his broadcasts, which reach an estimated 7 million viewers weekly in the U.S. and 100 other countries. Nonetheless, an additional $30 million comes through the mail. His most recent book deal earned him a $13 million advance.

“We make plenty of money from our books,” said Osteen, 44. “But we just live normal lives. We try to be conservative and honor God with our life and with our example.”

Osteen refuses to condemn the targets of Grassley’s inquiry, or Richard Roberts, who quit as president of Oral Roberts University in Tulsa, Okla., amid charges that he used school funds and facilities for his family.

“While I never like to hear negative things about friends and other ministers, I choose to believe the very best in them,” Osteen said.
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You are so right. He does profit from this, and what is wrong with that!

He is a business man. So is our new pope.

I think God is amused to see all his/her children play and live and die. Wouldn't you be?

In a few hours, after much needed rest, I will head out west or north.

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Let me guess.....you invested in the Family of Eagles??

No, but thanks for assuming.
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I find that hard to believe considering what he would have to lose. Besides, his dad died in 99 from a heart attack.


[Osteen] has not taken a salary from his Houston megachurch for two years. He owns one house — the same one he and his wife, Victoria, have lived in for 13 years — and until recently he drove a 9-year-old car he inherited from his late father. Osteen pays his own hotel bills, and there is no private jet.

Although the upbeat minister does take collections at services, netting an estimated $43 million a year, Osteen does not ask for money on his broadcasts, which reach an estimated 7 million viewers weekly in the U.S. and 100 other countries. Nonetheless, an additional $30 million comes through the mail. His most recent book deal earned him a $13 million advance.

“We make plenty of money from our books,” said Osteen, 44. “But we just live normal lives. We try to be conservative and honor God with our life and with our example.”

Osteen refuses to condemn the targets of Grassley’s inquiry, or Richard Roberts, who quit as president of Oral Roberts University in Tulsa, Okla., amid charges that he used school funds and facilities for his family.

“While I never like to hear negative things about friends and other ministers, I choose to believe the very best in them,” Osteen said.
Well then it was 10 years the last time I hung out with them. However, he and they had nothing to lose. Outside of all of their investments that is and at the time the Church was not a concern. I don't care what you have to say or what quotesa you throw up. Joel knows and he would not deny.
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Ive never watched or listened to him but the people who promote him do tend to make him look fake.
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