Nitrous and you

[FunFordCobra]

Did you guys know that when you put any dry nitrous system on your car, you only transfer 55-60% of what the system was jetted for. When you put a WET nitrous system on, you transfer 70-85% of what the system is jetted for. The only thing bad about wet systems is that the fuel tends to puddle up in our long runners in the 5.0 soo a plate system has top be installed between the upper and lower intake manifold so the fuel wont puddle up and possibly blow your intake off.( Ive seen it happen ) Just FYI.

Where did you get that?

So long as your A/F is proper, you are making all that is possible for that jetting.

[BYBOTIE]

Wet N/X 125=342rwhp/427lbtrq
Dry JMS 50= 334rwhp/480lbtrq
" " 125=428rwhp/564lbtrq
On a '00 GT FYI

[RED]

I love nitrous

[BYBOTIE]

Originally posted by RED:
I love nitrous

nitrous is bad

[FunFordCobra]

Trial and error. We put a 125 dry shot on a stock mustang and gained 72 hp and 85 ft lbs. Another Stang with a wet system jetted at 150 made around 120 hp and 100 ft lb gain. I called that LS1 shop in garland and they said that thats typical of dry systems and that they only install wet systems on their work.

[BYBOTIE]

I'll post my results next Wed. Going off of other dyno sheets right now.

[Sean88gt]

Have you happened to look at a modular engine?
If you run a wet shot on the 4.6 intake, its just a matter of when you blow your engine.
/me sticks to dry.

[FunFordCobra]

I know what your talking about. Im not a big fan of the sohc 4.6, but it does have alot of potential.

[GE]

I thought if you put a 160 shot on there it would produce 200 at the wheels?

[SNEAKY]

my god man let it die!!!!

Originally posted by GE:
I thought if you put a 160 shot on there it would produce 200 at the wheels?

[Casper]

Hmm, I wonder how Paul got all that power out of that lowly 125 dry shot?

maybe it was SATAN???

Or maybe it was just the combo of bottle pressure, line diameter, exhaust and intake?

[FunFordCobra]

For It Was SATAN my children. From the lowly depths of HELL He has added horse power for no reason. Satan behind me! And he shall leave the body of this stang and enter the depths of hell once again! Screw it, god hasnt added any horsepower for me.J/K

[Boss Hogg]

This one time at Ennis, I was helping Billy Glidden change his tires and he took me aside and said, "David, I'm going to give you a little tip. If you take a drill bit to a "75 shot" pill you can have a 100% increase in power and gain an addition 75 hp."

Is there any truth to this nitrous tip?

[bsharer]

Let me get this straight...

You put a 125 dry shot on a stock mustang and gained 72 hp and 85 ft lbs.

Then, on another Stang with a wet system jetted at 150 made around 120 hp and 100 ft lb gain.

Then you called an LS1 shop in garland and they said that thats typical of dry systems and that they only install wet systems on their work.

And you call that trial and error?

HELLO. I must be doing it all wrong then... Thats NOT trial and error. Thats far from it. Thats comparing apples to rocks.

[Boss Hogg]

Bryan, slow down with the logic.

[Todd]

I heard someone day the other night that a wet kit has more torque than a dry kit. Maybe because most wet kits are for bigger shots than the dry kits?!?!

[Denny]

You guys are looking too far into it. It all has to do with the alignment of the planets!

[Todd]

Originally posted by Denny:
You guys are looking too far into it. It all has to do with the alignment of the planets!

You can use the planets to do a front-end allignment?



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[P.O.S._Dubyuharex]

Uuuh Oooh, this doesn't look good....(grabbing a chair and popcorn)

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[Buick355]

The fact is dry kits do not hit as hard as wet kits. The end. I have a dry kit and I like it just fine but I know it doesn't hit as hard as a wet kit. I feel safer with my dry kit though...especially on a 4.6L.

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'97 Cobra--Steeda pullies, Mac H-pipe w/cats
255lph Walbro fuel pump, 100hp NOS dry shot.

[Denny]

On a serious note, a dry system can make less power if the nozzle is positioned wrong...but we all knew that.

[bsharer]

A dry kit doesnt 'hit' as hard as a wet kit? Whats the facts?

Enlighten me...

[Denny]

Bryan, a dry kit is lighter than a wet kit, so if you got hit with a dry kit, it wouldn't hurt as much.

[SNEAKY]

if a wet shot hits so much harder i do not want it on my car.mine hits pretty damn hard.if it was any more i would blow the tires completely of.

[P.O.S._Dubyuharex]

Where's the new guy (funfordcobra). Don't tell me he is already runn'n scared. Nitrous isn't as complicated as you think Just FYI

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[Casper]

Aww, I was gonna learn more about nitrous....


/me goes back to nitromethane

[manny]

wet kits does not blow intakes on 5.0's or 4.6's. misuse of the nos will blow intakes. I used it succesfully on 4.6 GT and a cobra and never had a problem, and there are many people out there running wet kits getting huge gains with no puddling.

[Kris]

Originally posted by manny:
wet kits does not blow intakes on 5.0's or 4.6's. misuse of the nos will blow intakes. I used it succesfully on 4.6 GT and a cobra and never had a problem, and there are many people out there running wet kits getting huge gains with no puddling.

What's your secrete?

lmao!!

[bsharer]

Originally posted by bsharer:
A dry kit doesnt 'hit' as hard as a wet kit? Whats the facts?

Enlighten me...

Cobra R...help me to figure this out...

[manny]

there's not really any secrets, it's just a matter of having the right setup. including spark plugs, timing, fuel, fuel mixture, and proper jetting. there are lots of people running them without problems. I have probaly heard more of people without problems then of people who have really had problems such as a blown motor or intake. What you mostly hear is "I heard they puddle" or "my freind says they puddle" and alot of those people that say that have not tried it. we are now running the same wet kit on a 00 Gt auto. that runs 14.0's on motor and 12.0's on a 125 shot. we spray it all the time with no problems

[FunFordCobra]

I called NOS today and spoke with a representitive for almost an hour. They said that my dyno proven results are not far from common. The reason they mass produced and advertised the famous 5.0 dry kit was because of affordability. The dry kit is 499 with upgraded fuel pump and all when the wet system runs a little over a grand just for a 2 solinoid setup and upper to lower intake insert. They tolm mr that I should have made a little more torque on the wet system than I did but I wasnt too far off.

[P.O.S._Dubyuharex]

Yeah I read the same thing in MM&FF.

[Denny]

You talked with a guy from the NOS Tech line for how long?!?!

[Casper]

Most people who run wet invest in an rpm window switch to insure adequate vacuum on the spray.

I saw a hommade one at FFW on a 4V in Houston about 3 years ago.

[bsharer]

Am I the only one with my boots on?

[P.O.S._Dubyuharex]

Originally posted by bsharer:
Am I the only one with my boots on?

I don't have boots tall enough for this mother fucker. I'm going ashore before I drown.

[Denny]

Originally posted by bsharer:
Am I the only one with my boots on?

[Casper]

Notice that Tinaree, a Buick woman, was the first to call BS yesterday afternoon. Of course she may have had a little help from her old man


I'm still waitng for a pick. I just want to see the rear wheels

[Ylw 98~~SNAKE~~]

Its all a matter of pressure where the nozzle is mounted etc. I have a the 75 dry shot on my car and I doubt I gained 75 rwhp.....maybe 75 at the motor with a full heated bottle. Run about 1150 psi through that sucker and I bet youll be pretty close to whatever its jetted for. NOS recommends using a dry kit instead of wet on DOHC intakes (Per the 5171 instruction manual) due to the POSSIBILITY of fuel puddling. You can run a wet kit safely if its setup correctly but I didnt want any doubts so I chose the recommended kit for my car. The power will come from your mixture whether dry or wet.

[Cmarsh93z]

This is too funny Nitrous is a gas, which is introduced into the motor through a solinoid and passed through a jet to meter the amount. It takes XXXX amount of nitrous to make XXXX amount of HP. The only differance between wet and dry is the way the fuel is introduced.....and ANY HP DIFFERANCE between the two is a result of tuning, not the kit itself.

It doesn't have a damn thing to do with the Brand of solinoid, the manufactor, wet, dry, ect. Sure, you have different setups for differnt cars, differnt solinoids for more/less hp levels, but once nitrous is in the motor, in the same amount, do you really think by the time the nitrous reaches the cylinder, that it remembers if it came through a dry system or a wet system HELL NO!!! Provided the fuel is the same, and the nitrous amount is the same, the same exact HP will be made....regardless of the method of introduction!!!!!!!!!

Only thing you have to worry about is fuel distrubution in the manifold, and if thats not correct, that can have an effect on HP....because obvioulsy, if you have problems there, every cylinder is not getting the same amount.

Just get down to basics and think about what you are saying rather than taking opinions from 5 millon different sources and combining them!!

Chris

[BYBOTIE]

I will post real world results on Wed. the 11'th. No BS just dyno numbers.

[FunFordCobra]

All I have to say is call NOS, or zex, compucar and they will tell you the same thing they told me.I am ASE certified in numerous automotive fields so I do know what Im talking about. I dont take my car to the shop to get suped up like SOME of you.

[Cmarsh93z]

Besides the fact that they told you this, did they give you any reasons? Hey, I got a 2000 GMC thats worth $40,000.....do ya want to buy it? If you don't belive its worth that much, I have 3 or 4 friends that you can call that will back me up

Chris

[Boss Hogg]

Originally posted by BYBOTIE:
I will post real world results on Wed. the 11'th. No BS just dyno numbers.

You cheating bastard!!!!

[Big Thumper]

As far as the hitting harder issue, I have always heard a wet system on a carbed car hits harder than a fogger. That is what Jim down at Jim's muffler and scrap yard said. He's got a 67 Chevelle that runs an honest 10.5 in the 1/4 with a fogger and a plate. He just has a little 502ci motor in it. His car hauls ass, so he must know what is up.

Scott

[FunFordCobra]

"The EFI 5.0 system is a more complex way to mix the fuel and N20 in a stock engine. We wanted to keep power levels down so we wouldnt cause more motor failures in street cars under warranty. If you want to pull every last bit of hp from your system I would reccomend the wet system foe high hp gains for on the track only." Like I said, you can debate all you want. This is straight from NOS. Call em up and ask. All I'm doing is relaing information.k?

[slickum01]

OK I decided to get my waiters on and get in this, FunFordCobra, if your such a badass ASE certified mechanic, and you know what your talking about then why the hell do you have to stay on the phone with nos, zex, compucar to figure such easy shit out. As far as your dyno crap in your first post, you said you dynoed two cars and got your two results, need one car and two kits. Every car is going to respond diferently. Not only that but puddling of fuel in our "long runner intakes" doesnt happen at full throttle cuz everything is being sucked in the motor, and you use a micro switch to cut the bottle off when you come off full throttle so there is little chance of that happening. The power depends on the car. Not the way its introduced. Since you "dont take your car to a shop get suped up" and you do it yourself, what do you have and how slow is it????????????????????? Master machanic..........

[Cmarsh93z]

Originally posted by Big Thumper:
As far as the hitting harder issue, I have always heard a wet system on a carbed car hits harder than a fogger. That is what Jim down at Jim's muffler and scrap yard said. He's got a 67 Chevelle that runs an honest 10.5 in the 1/4 with a fogger and a plate. He just has a little 502ci motor in it. His car hauls ass, so he must know what is up.

Scott

Man, I talked to Walter down at Walters Boot shop, and he said Harry said that Charles said that Jim's car never ran a 10.5. Joe had a car that was the same year model(67), but a differnt brand (yugo), and HIS car went a 10.5. Joes car is a small block 305 with a dry system with a wet nozzle, and Buddy down at Jegs told me it makes the same power as Jim's 67 Chevelle, so I am sure its just as fast!! Call him up and ask, thats what I did!!!!

Chris
AMS Certifed with a Master in B.S