Originally Posted by Cartman
1st one by the states wasn't allowed until the PA passed, being forced to give blood without consent takes away your 5th rights to not incriminate yourself, this never was allowed before the PA yet the states are slowing starting to adapt parts of it for use in everyday police work. If you, a cop, can't see that then you are one of problem cops we have in this country.
the PA allows for wire taps with out warrants for terrorist suspects, the government was tapping everybody's line they could get without warrants. big brother watching everything you do and everything you say, glad we live in a free country
well as for those detained, we may never know who they are or why, if they are guilty of anything that might be terrorism. The PA makes it clear that they have no rights if the governemt says they are suspected terrorist. and if you or anybody else really thinks they tell us, before the PA, of people taken with or with out reason you are a fool.
the biggest problem with not being allowed to defend yourself or have the gov prove you are guilty in any court means if they say you did it or are going to do it, then you did it or got caught before you could do it. lets just take the old piece of paper signed by a bunch of old racist white men and burn it, because it means nothing with this bill.
as for me being a liberal, for health care by obama or whatever else you stated, find me a post where I have ever once backed any of that... you can't. you fall back to calling anybody a liberal that doesn't like bush, who was one of the worst POTUS ever, when in fact bush was more liberal than clinton could ever hope to be. bush did more in his 8yrs to make big brother bigger, than all the libs have since the two party system. this health care bill you claim I am for, which proves you are more off the rocker than RP, has life and is more than likely going to pass because bush opened the door, not to mention did so little for the people that the people will vote for anything that is anti bush policy. Don't get me wrong, I like bush I think he would be a blast to hang out with, but as POTUS he wasn't great as you claim.
the PA just failed for the families of those in fort hood, care to rethink that now?
as for anything from the government beyond controling armed services, trade, making laws(that don't take away any rights or freedom) I want nothing else from them. I did not back the bailout of the banks, I did for GM but that has more to do with AMERICAN jobs than any other reason.
you are just putting your own thoughts about what you THINK I like yet find where I did any of this backing high taxes, bail outs(I stated the GM and reasons), or anything else. IT doesn't matter who is in office what party they are in, if they try to control my life more than they do now then I am against it. People like you who are sheep following bllindly to the "REP" party line ( which is the new REP party line and not the old one, which now belongs to the a 3rd party LIB party but will never have a real shot at POTUS) see great things from bush when you will find it hard to find anybody on the outside looking in say anything great about his terms. the only people saying that are you and your new REP nut jobs.
we are left with two party's wanting the same thing but go about it in different ways, the REP want total control and started off the PA, the DEM want total control and use the REP corrupt dealings with Oil companies as a way to get people behind them. both parties are tied the banks so that is a wash, but both want big gov. the old school REP wanted little gov and let the PEOPLE run their country. So sad how far we have fallen.
if you want to call me a liberal to make it better than go ahead, I will say that I wish we could have had clinton for 8 more years, he was the best REP POTUS we have had since Ronnie, and yes I know he is a DEM but look at his terms and he is more REP than bush sr or jr will ever be. Yet you all say he is one of the worst, he lowered taxes, for a bit, had the first surplus in forever, we were on a huge upswing. He had faults sure, all do, the whole black hawk down thing was a big one, but policy wise you all should worship his term. You claim to be REP yet you have supported policies that are far from it.
as for the PA stops osama and his merry men and you are fine with that, is making an excuse for it. It was supposed to stop all forms of terrorism including domestic, it failed now we need it removed and close that door before we walk all the way thru it.
but I am serious I want to see where I backed obama, health care, higher taxes, etc...
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11-14-2009, 03:27 PM
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