Two Words

[boozin_late]

Yeee Haw

http://www.port80software.com/servermask/top1000webservers/

:-)

[chris]

IIS sucks ass

LONG LIVE APACHE!!!!!

[Grant]

Originally posted by chris
IIS sucks ass

LONG LIVE APACHE!!!!!

Why?

[AbecX]

:rolleyes: Lets look at the actual netcraft results for all servers, that sites obviously full of shit with its tampered results.

Totals for Top Servers Across All Domains
http://www.netcraft.com/Survey/Reports/current/overalla.gif

Notice how apache is way out in front? I find it hard to believe that they are so far behind apache, yet in that graph they are ahead, even if it is just the top 1000 companies. I call BS.

Notice the market share that Apache owns across the entire internet. IIS is a piece of junk.

Market Share for Active Servers Across All Domains
http://www.netcraft.com/Survey/Reports/current/overallf.gif

[AbecX]

Lets check on uptime to, seeing as the longer a company is up, the less money they lose.

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html

Damn, I dont see a damn windows server in the top 20, and there is only 4 in the top 50, how sad is that for Windows stability. And yes I know Linux is not on there so dont try to point that out.

[boozin_late]

Originally posted by AbecX
Lets check on uptime to, seeing as the longer a company is up, the less money they lose.

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html

Damn, I dont see a damn windows server in the top 20, and there is only 4 in the top 50, how sad is that for Windows stability. And yes I know Linux is not on there so dont try to point that out.

:D

World Domination BABY!

No need to cry. Long live the Microsoft Domination!

[AbecX]

Originally posted by boozin_late
:D
World Domination BABY!
No need to cry. Long live the Microsoft Domination!
:confused: Unix owns the server market. Its a known fact. Microsoft owns the 'gaming desktop' market, thats it in my book :D

[boozin_late]

Originally posted by AbecX
:confused: Unix owns the server market. Its a known fact. Microsoft owns the 'gaming desktop' market, thats it in my book :D

Heh.

[The Punisher]

Originally posted by boozin_late
Yeee Haw

http://www.port80software.com/servermask/top1000webservers/

:-)
I'd also call BS on that website

[MoonDog]

Originally posted by boozin_late
Heh.

First, dont make fun of retarded kids. I have known several in my life and they all have been pretty cool.

Second, I am also calling BS. Microsux has always rigged the numbers to make themselves look good. If you knew anything about the internet you would know for a fact that Apache rules. Search it out yourself, see who uses Apache and who uses Microsoft.

[MoonDog]

Originally posted by AbecX
Lets check on uptime to, seeing as the longer a company is up, the less money they lose.

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html

Damn, I dont see a damn windows server in the top 20, and there is only 4 in the top 50, how sad is that for Windows stability. And yes I know Linux is not on there so dont try to point that out.

Am I over looking something? I thought I only saw 3 window servers.

[AbecX]

Originally posted by MoonDog
Am I over looking something? I thought I only saw 3 window servers.
They must've rebooted :p

[01WhiteCobra]

Originally posted by AbecX
:rolleyes: Lets look at the actual netcraft results for all servers, that sites obviously full of shit with its tampered results.


Linux Homer. :rolleyes:

Survey says, "What web server are the Fortune 1000 websites using?". Not, "What does every tom, dick and harry run?"

There isn't much you can do to hide the results. Telnet into the web server on port 80 and you can see for yourself.

BTW, here is Ford's results:


HTTP/1.1 302 Object moved
Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0
Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 22:35:24 GMT
Location: /en/error/404.htm
Connection: Keep-Alive
Content-Length: 138
Content-Type: text/html
Cache-control: private

Object Moved

Connection to host lost.



:D

[01WhiteCobra]

Originally posted by AbecX
Lets check on uptime to, seeing as the longer a company is up, the less money they lose.

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html

Damn, I dont see a damn windows server in the top 20, and there is only 4 in the top 50, how sad is that for Windows stability. And yes I know Linux is not on there so dont try to point that out.

Ooooohhhh.... I'm sure Microsoft is crying over that one.

I can see everyone of them is a Fortune 1000 company. :rolleyes:

[boozin_late]

Originally posted by 01WhiteCobra
Linux Homer. :rolleyes:

Survey says, "What web server are the Fortune 1000 websites using?". Not, "What does every tom, dick and harry run?"

There isn't much you can do to hide the results. Telnet into the web server on port 80 and you can see for yourself.

BTW, here is Ford's results:


HTTP/1.1 302 Object moved
Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0
Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 22:35:24 GMT
Location: /en/error/404.htm
Connection: Keep-Alive
Content-Length: 138
Content-Type: text/html
Cache-control: private

Object Moved

Connection to host lost.



:D

You guys get so upset at the dumbest things.

Thanks for the entertainment. :D

[MoonDog]

Originally posted by 01WhiteCobra
Linux Homer. :rolleyes:

Survey says, "What web server are the Fortune 1000 websites using?". Not, "What does every tom, dick and harry run?"

There isn't much you can do to hide the results. Telnet into the web server on port 80 and you can see for yourself.

BTW, here is Ford's results:


HTTP/1.1 302 Object moved
Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0
Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 22:35:24 GMT
Location: /en/error/404.htm
Connection: Keep-Alive
Content-Length: 138
Content-Type: text/html
Cache-control: private

Object Moved

Connection to host lost.



:D

This is why I said that Microsoft jacks with the numbers to get what they want. Sure, half of the Fortune 1000 companies are running Microsoft IIS, but that is only 500 companies out of hundreds of thousands of companies that run websites. The Internet as a whole is ruled by Apache. Microsoft wont show you that info because it doesn't make them look good.

[Grant]

Originally posted by MoonDog
This is why I said that Microsoft jacks with the numbers to get what they want. Sure, half of the Fortune 1000 companies are running Microsoft IIS, but that is only 500 companies out of hundreds of thousands of companies that run websites. The Internet as a whole is ruled by Apache. Microsoft wont show you that info because it doesn't make them look good.

You're not listening to what he's saying. Nobody cares what the average user is using. He's showing what the top ones are using.

[AbecX]

Originally posted by Grant
You're not listening to what he's saying. Nobody cares what the average user is using. He's showing what the top ones are using.

1 Wal-Mart Stores -- Unknown
2 Exxon Mobil -- Unknown
3 General Motors -- Unix ( apache )
4 Ford Motor -- MS ( IIS )
5 Enron -- ?!?!
6 General Electric -- Unix ( Apache )
7 Citigroup -- Unix ( Apache )
8 ChevronTexaco -- Unix ( Apache )
9 Intl. Business Machines -- Unix ( Apache )
10 Philip Morris -- Unix ( Apache )

Its funny what a little research will do.

[Grant]

Originally posted by AbecX
1 Wal-Mart Stores -- Unknown
2 Exxon Mobil -- Unknown
3 General Motors -- Unix ( apache )
4 Ford Motor -- MS ( IIS )
5 Enron -- ?!?!
6 General Electric -- Unix ( Apache )
7 Citigroup -- Unix ( Apache )
8 ChevronTexaco -- Unix ( Apache )
9 Intl. Business Machines -- Unix ( Apache )
10 Philip Morris -- Unix ( Apache )

Its funny what a little research will do.

Where'd you get those from? And what's Enron doing in the top 10?!?!?!!?

[AbecX]

Originally posted by Grant
Where'd you get those from? And what's Enron doing in the top 10?!?!?!!?
I got the list from fortune's website, I got the stats from doing TCP Fingerprinting ( tells you what OS its running ) and looking around on their websites and others for web server stats.

[Grant]

Originally posted by AbecX
I got the list from fortune's website, I got the stats from doing TCP Fingerprinting ( tells you what OS its running ) and looking around on their websites and others for web server stats.

Link?

[Grant]

Originally posted by Grant
Link?

I found it.

[AbecX]

Originally posted by Grant
Link?
:mad: You know how long its going to take me to pull all those fucking links now :mad:

Port State Service
80/tcp open http

Remote operating system guess: Solaris 2.6 - 2.7 with tcp_strong_iss=2
Uptime 126.526 days (since Sat Sep 28 06:16:36 2002)

Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 269 seconds

Cant run IIS on Solaris! lol

[AbecX]

Originally posted by Grant
Nobody cares what the average user is using. He's showing what the top ones are using.

What the top websites that get the most hits run ( Totals for Top Servers Across All Domains )
http://www.netcraft.com/Survey/Reports/current/overalla.gif

[01WhiteCobra]

Originally posted by AbecX
1 Wal-Mart Stores -- Unknown
2 Exxon Mobil -- Unknown
3 General Motors -- Unix ( apache )
4 Ford Motor -- MS ( IIS )
5 Enron -- ?!?!
6 General Electric -- Unix ( Apache )
7 Citigroup -- Unix ( Apache )
8 ChevronTexaco -- Unix ( Apache )
9 Intl. Business Machines -- Unix ( Apache )
10 Philip Morris -- Unix ( Apache )

Its funny what a little research will do.

Walmart
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 22:17:50 GMT
Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0
Vary: *
Cache-Control: no-cache
Pragma: no-cache
Set-Cookie: com.wm.visitor=348503623;Domain=.walmart.com;Expires=Wed, 30-Jan-2013 22:17:50 GMT;Path=/
Set-Cookie: JServSessionId=7284187283fee4bcfd28beaed3fedf2582f6a00b2_10-15-20-207.9887.1044224270089.:0f;Domain=.walmart.com;Path=/
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1

Exxon Mobil
Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 22:18:32 GMT
Connection: keep-alive
Connection: Keep-Alive
Content-Length: 18443
Content-Type: text/html
Cache-control: private

GM
Server: Netscape-Enterprise/4.1
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 22:18:55 GMT
Content-type: text/html
Content-length: 254
Connection: keep-alive

Enron (figures!)
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 22:18:57 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.19 (Unix)
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html

GE
Server: Netscape-Enterprise/6.0
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 22:19:55 GMT
Pragma: no-cache
Expires: Mon, 01 Jan 1990 12:00:00 GMT
Cache-control: no-cache
Cache-control: must-revalidate
Cache-control: max-age=0
Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
Connection: close

Citigroup
Hiding server header no way to know

ChevronTexaco
Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 22:21:05 GMT
Connection: keep-alive
Connection: Keep-Alive
Content-Length: 13047
Content-Type: text/html
Set-Cookie: ASPSESSIONIDGGGGGABO=PCPDGJKCHDOCIEGCCJECFLCL; path=/
Cache-control: private

Hell, they are even using ASP

IBM
No doubt, non Microsoft

Phillip Morris
Hiding server headers


So.... (with proof), I'm showing that

1. Walmart - IIS
2. Exxon Mobil - IIS
3. GM - Netscape Server (not Apache)
4. Ford - IIS
5. Enron - Apache (figures)
6. GE - Netscape Server
7. Citigroup - Hiding server header
8. Chevron Texaco - IIS
9. IBM - Apache
10. PM - hiding server header

Thanks, and please be careful driving through!

[01WhiteCobra]

Originally posted by MoonDog
This is why I said that Microsoft jacks with the numbers to get what they want. Sure, half of the Fortune 1000 companies are running Microsoft IIS, but that is only 500 companies out of hundreds of thousands of companies that run websites. The Internet as a whole is ruled by Apache. Microsoft wont show you that info because it doesn't make them look good.

Who cares what the majority are running? I'll take the top 1000 corporations paying me, then the rest of the others.

Plus, if the majority of my customers (which 100% appear on the Fortune 100 list) are running IIS, guess what I'm developing for?

If we had the bulk of the Fortune 100 list as customers (which is the ultimate goal), I will be enjoying my early retirement in multiple homes spread out across the world.

Having said that, if the majority of my customer wanted Linux based software (which they don't), then I'd be the biggest Linux homer in the world.

[01WhiteCobra]

Originally posted by AbecX
:mad: You know how long its going to take me to pull all those fucking links now :mad:

Port State Service
80/tcp open http

Remote operating system guess: Solaris 2.6 - 2.7 with tcp_strong_iss=2
Uptime 126.526 days (since Sat Sep 28 06:16:36 2002)

Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 269 seconds

Cant run IIS on Solaris! lol

But, you can run Netscape Server, which is what GM does. They also do this internally somewhat, but the bulk of the internal websites are running IIS. This is from being inside GM, talking with their multiple IT/EDS departments.

[AbecX]

Originally posted by 01WhiteCobra
but the bulk of the internal websites are running IIS.
Maybe so, but netcraft doesnt do results from internal web servers, my stats dont agree with what you put, I'll post mine up later and we can compare.

[01WhiteCobra]

Originally posted by AbecX
Maybe so, but netcraft doesnt do results from internal web servers, my stats dont agree with what you put, I'll post mine up later and we can compare.

What is there to prove? I freakin' telneted into the servers and those where the server headers returned.?!

I didn't decide server in use by some weird algorithm of "Well it ain't running NT, so it must be apache"

[AbecX]

Originally posted by 01WhiteCobra
What is there to prove? I freakin' telneted into the servers and those where the server headers returned.?!
When I telnet into their http port I get no response back, even when issuing a valid command or an invalid one, I used tcp fingerprinting and browsed the web for more about what each company ran, not make stuff up ( :rolleyes: ), I couldnt find a date for the articles I found, so I assume they are out of date.


http://www.entmag.com/archives/article.asp?EditorialsID=5444
The iPlanet/Netscape-Enterprise Web server dominates the biggest of the big. The Web server runs seven of the 10 largest corporations’ Web sites, and owns nearly 60 percent of the top 100 of the Fortune ranking. Overall, Netscape-Enterprise held 35 percent of the 500 deployments.

ENT’s look at the largest companies, though, turns the numbers around. Netscape-Enterprise shows up as running seven of the 10 largest companies’ Web sites: General Motors (Fortune Rank 1), Wal-Mart Stores (2), Exxon Mobile (3), General Electric (5), Citigroup (7), AT&T (8), and Boeing (10). Netscape-Enterprise is in use in 64 percent of the Web sites of the Fortune 25; 56 percent of the Fortune 50; and 58 percent of the Fortune 100.

What command did you give to see the httpd header?

[01WhiteCobra]

Originally posted by AbecX
When I telnet into their http port I get no response back, even when issuing a valid command or an invalid one, I used tcp fingerprinting and browsed the web for more about what each company ran, not make stuff up ( :rolleyes: ), I couldnt find a date for the articles I found, so I assume they are out of date.


http://www.entmag.com/archives/article.asp?EditorialsID=5444
The iPlanet/Netscape-Enterprise Web server dominates the biggest of the big. The Web server runs seven of the 10 largest corporations’ Web sites, and owns nearly 60 percent of the top 100 of the Fortune ranking. Overall, Netscape-Enterprise held 35 percent of the 500 deployments.

ENT’s look at the largest companies, though, turns the numbers around. Netscape-Enterprise shows up as running seven of the 10 largest companies’ Web sites: General Motors (Fortune Rank 1), Wal-Mart Stores (2), Exxon Mobile (3), General Electric (5), Citigroup (7), AT&T (8), and Boeing (10). Netscape-Enterprise is in use in 64 percent of the Web sites of the Fortune 25; 56 percent of the Fortune 50; and 58 percent of the Fortune 100.

What command did you give to see the httpd header?

HEAD / HTTP/1.1

You have to press enter twice sometimes, as proper HTTP protocol (as with most of the web/mail/news/etc. protocols do) signify end of transmission with two sets of returns in a row.

This will usually send back a 404 error page, but the server header will be intact.

1. GM - Netscape
2. Walmart - IIS
3. Exxon Mobil - IIS
4. GE - Netscape
5. Citigroup - Returns "" as the server (good hiding!)
6. AT&T - Netscape
7. Boeing - Netscape

[AbecX]

I cant seem to get walmart to post its site information. :mad:

[01WhiteCobra]

Originally posted by AbecX
I cant seem to get walmart to post its site information. :mad:



HTTP/1.1 400 Bad Request
Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 02:37:48 GMT
Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1



Connection to host lost.


telnet www.walmart.com 80
HEAD / HTTP/1.1
(enter) (enter)