Denton results tonight?

[Turd]

Just wondering how every did? Sorry I didn't make it out after all, but my nephew was extremely sick(104+) and we decided to stay home and be with him. I'll try to catch yall next time..........post up.

[Beej]

well, it could have been better, I had 2 8.29's a couple 8.3's and alot of passes with no traction. I had maybe 3-4 good passes out of 10. ohhh well, it wasnt the best night, but it will be ok. My slicks are about toast as well.

Everyone else was having about the same luck as I was. One good pass, then one bad pass, and then one good pass. Ohh well. there was prolly 90% street tire cars, so what can ya do.


Marcus ran some fast times, Justin, and Matt also ran new personal best.

Good job guys.

[2cammer97]

had a great time and got some good baseline times to work with. thanks to beej for letting me use the slicks. it was fun. i definately need lots of practice.

best street tire pass:
60'-2.199
ET-8.873
MPH-84.062

my first pass with the slicks was going to be my best but the car got very floaty in third and i let out.
60'-1.76
ET-8.709
MPH-65.058

my best pass was:
60'-1.776
ET-8.415
MPH-82.601

the best pass with my car was actually made by BJ in his first pass with my car. i believe it was:
60'-1.81
ET-8.31
MPH-83.65

all in all i had a great time and can't wait to get back to improve on the times. goal for the year is still 7.9x at 85.x. i've gotta catch Justin, Matt, and BJ first. :)

marcus

[z28ss21]

Good et and mph for your first time out with the new combo Marcus.

[2cammer97]

Originally posted by z28ss21
Good et and mph for your first time out with the new combo Marcus.

thanks cliff, i think with more practice it'll trap about 85 but we'll see. :)

marcus

[z28ss21]

Originally posted by 2cammer97
thanks cliff, i think with more practice it'll trap about 85 but we'll see. :)

marcus

How did BJ get a better ET than you with a worse 60ft? He is either a shifting fool, or there was a longer cool down or something. I think you have 84mph easy since it went 84 on the street tires.

[2cammer97]

Originally posted by z28ss21
How did BJ get a better ET than you with a worse 60ft? He is either a shifting fool, or there was a longer cool down or something. I think you have 84mph easy since it went 84 on the street tires.

well, my first pass i think was gonna be better than his until i let out. and then my 8.41 pass was hot lapped right after he finished. if i would have let the car cool it probably would have ran better but the track was getting too cold as it got later. BJ is a good driver.

marcus

[z28ss21]

I think our cars will be really close. We need to run soon though because I'm heading back to Lubbock on Weds.

[mikeb]

Originally posted by 2cammer97

the best pass with my car was actually made by BJ in his first pass with my car. i believe it was:
60'-1.81
ET-8.31
MPH-83.65


Nice. BJ is a driving fool it seems :)

[2001 GT]

I got a new best!

React= 1.083 (I was taking a nap ;) )
60' = 1.714
330' = 5.262
1/8 =8.272 (New best!!!) :D:D:D
MPH = 82.136

Take a look at my thread for details. I had a good time tonight, it was fun to be racing again.

My Thread (http://www.dfwstangs.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=76280)

Justin

[2cammer97]

Originally posted by z28ss21
I think our cars will be really close. We need to run soon though because I'm heading back to Lubbock on Weds.

shit man, i'll try and get together with you before wednesday. did you get the longtubes yet?

marcus

[z28ss21]

Originally posted by 2cammer97
shit man, i'll try and get together with you before wednesday. did you get the longtubes yet?

marcus

I'm not gonna install them untill I get back to Lubbock so a friend can help me.

[mikeb]

Originally posted by 2001 GT
I got a new best!

React= 1.083 (I was taking a nap ;) )
60' = 1.714
330' = 5.262
1/8 =8.272 (New best!!!) :D:D:D
MPH = 82.136

Take a look at my thread for details. I had a good time tonight, it was fun to be racing again.

My Thread (http://www.dfwstangs.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=76280)

Justin

That's a nice 60 ft. Slicks?

[mike89lx]

Uhg,
Got I hate this ind rear, managed a 2.15 60ft and a 8.8@83.6. The 4.10's helped very little with stock tires. But I am too lazy and too focused on the lx to give a shit about how the Cobra run's.

Saw many ls1 fbody's running mid 8's@84-88.

Mike

[2cammer97]

Originally posted by mikeb
That's a nice 60 ft. Slicks?

he was usin Matt's slicks (aggie97). Matts best pass of the night was an awesome:
60'-1.68 :eek:
ET-8.24
MPH-82.4 i think

BJ was runnin good and i thought all of us slow NA 4.6 guys were doin pretty good. :)

marcus

[2001 GT]

Originally posted by mikeb
That's a nice 60 ft. Slicks?

Thanks, yeah I was on slicks thanks to Matt (aggie97)

[2cammer97]

Originally posted by mike89lx
Saw many ls1 fbody's running mid 8's@84-88.

Mike

i only saw three fbods all night run faster than 8.8. there was a black TA on prostars runnin 8.0's, a red SS that was runnin 8.3-8.8 at 87-88 mph, and a black SS runnin low 8's at 90 mph. all the others were runnin 8.8-9.3 at 79-82 mph from what i saw.

marcus

[mikeb]

Originally posted by 2001 GT
Thanks, yeah I was on slicks thanks to Matt (aggie97)

Jesus.... i've got to step it up some LOL....

<--1.67 best 60 ft in my fireturd

That's awesome!

[mike89lx]

Originally posted by 2cammer97
i only saw three fbods all night run faster than 8.8. there was a black TA on prostars runnin 8.0's, a red SS that was runnin 8.3-8.8 at 87-88 mph, and a black SS runnin low 8's at 90 mph. all the others were runnin 8.8-9.3 at 79-82 mph from what i saw.

marcus

Maybe it was that orange SS making pass after pass.:)

Btw I am not sure what is wrong with Stroker95 car:confused:
I am beginning to think the cr is not right on that car or maybe timing.

Mike

[bigredtruck]

marcus, preety good, I guess the tranny is shifting all right. I definetly see it going 7's.

[aggie97]

I think everyone was having trouble hooking up last night except me and Justin. It must be the tires!!!

I was very happy with my results last night. I not only backed up my best of 8.23 from Ennis, but I have found that the car, or I do better on a hot lap.

Justin, glad to see another 99+ running strong and it happens to be silver too!!!

Stroked95's car needs a GT-40 intake and not that spyder. When BJ made that pass in that car, he was not spinning that bad but still only managed a 9.16. Even with the slicks I think the best the car saw was an 8.7. For having another 100rwhp than me, there is something wrong with that car. I don't think it is the driver but it has to be the intake on that car. Maybe the timing advance is off or the plugs are fouled from running VERY rich. When he started the car last night next to me, I could smell raw fuel that was unburned, not just rich smelling. He might even have a bad injector or something. That car should be running 7.5's on slicks.

[mike89lx]

I don't think a long runner intake would help his performance. I mean ls1's run a short runner, so do the lt1 guys. Who cares about lo end trq when you are racing? you don't need trq down at 3000 imho. I think you are on to something though about running to rich. The motor might not have the cr he thinks either.

Mike

[32VfromHell]

congrats on all the good runs everyone! Im impressed with the MPH marcus is putting out, getting 85 mph will be pie, same with 7.9 if you can run in the daytime with a warm track.

Good MPH for Mike also, 83.6!
Mike, yeah 4.10s and street tires, i didnt pick up much at all either ET wise or MPH, simply because of limited traction, but you can feel the potential.


I would havy enjoyed coming and watching, but i had other plans that turned out really fun also. Next weekend will be my last chance here to get a run in.
:(

[2cammer97]

Originally posted by 32VfromHell
congrats on all the good runs everyone! Im impressed with the MPH marcus is putting out, getting 85 mph will be pie, same with 7.9 if you can run in the daytime with a warm track.

Good MPH for Mike also, 83.6!
Mike, yeah 4.10s and street tires, i didnt pick up much at all either ET wise or MPH, simply because of limited traction, but you can feel the potential.


I would havy enjoyed coming and watching, but i had other plans that turned out really fun also. Next weekend will be my last chance here to get a run in.
:(

ryan, i'm makin my goal more specific: 60'-1.6x, ET-7.9x, MPH-85

i really want to go next saturday night. i'll let you know later in the week if i go.

marcus

[mike89lx]

Yes if Ford only put a sollid rear in this Cobra, it should go high 7's with the proper gears,suspension etc. Nice running 2v motors out Friday, some had interiors taken out etc, but still nice times.

I would like to duplicate Bob Cosby's 99 Cobra, nice 11sec n/a car.

Mike

[stroker95]

i dont know why it wouldnt run a decent number either. it ran faster and wuicker before the spyder, but it didnt make as much power back then either. i dont know what it is, but im going to try and find out. as far as the compression mike, it does have 10.0:1.
the pistons are je, and are specifically for this motor, its a custom je piston for that compression ratio. in actuality, according to jason, its like 10.04:1 with the 61 cc heads. thats according to thier calculation. it did feel lazy to me last night. i think it is must faster on the street than on the track, plus, my driving isnt the best. this is something ive been thinking about most of the day today, and will figure out. stay tuned for more drama,lol.

dave.

[stroker95]

also, will someone tell me who texas tornado is? i was informed that he was talking trash and laughing at me or my car? anyone tell whom this individual is? and if what i have heard is true, why he is running off at the mouth?this really pisses me off to no end.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[aggie97]

Hey stroker, what intake did you have on the car before the spyder? What you should do is compare the two dynos and see what your average HP is. You might be peaking much higher with the spyder, but if you aren't making any power down low, then the car will run like it is. Also, if you get the a/f ratio worked out, it should pick up a couple of tenths. There are 15-20 things that you are going to have to work through to find out why the car is not running very strong but start with the small stuff like the timing curve, a/f, fouled plugs, Fuel pressure, wires and coil. Then compare the dyno numbers. I think you will find that the spyder is actually hurting your average HP number. You want the most power (Area) under the curve. This will be the faster car unless you have an auto with a stall. give it some time and well thought out investigation and you will get it running right.

[Turd]

sorry you were disappointed Dave, I think you are probably right on the money. It feels stronger on the street cause the Spyder will build HP in higher rpm, but the 1/8 is won by torque which the spyder isn't good for without boost or some very high-flow heads, this is the same reason I've thought about losing the spyder from my new motor. I'm sure you car would perform better in the 1/4 than the 1/8. At the level of these cars, HP wins 1/4, TQ wins 1/8. What did you end up launching at, how bad did it bog off the line?

[Beej]

Originally posted by stroker95
also, will someone tell me who texas tornado is? i was informed that he was talking trash and laughing at me or my car? anyone tell whom this individual is? and if what i have heard is true, why he is running off at the mouth?this really pisses me off to no end.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I would like to see the differance in the dyno charts as well, because I really think that intake is what is really hurting you. There is no reason why you car shouldnt be running faster then it is. Even if the et was low it should still be mphing closer to 90.

You may have gained peak power, but if you lost all your low end torque, there is nothing to push the car. It is all about the area under the curve, and not the peak number. I dont know it may be a tunning issue, or maybe even the gas. who knows too many varialbes. Next time, check the timing, and run 93 and see how it does, then move from there.

[2cammer97]

dave- i agree with matt and bj. even if your car is heavy it should still trap around 90 mph in the 1/8 no problem. sounds like there are a lot of variables you should check. area under the curve is what counts, not peak numbers. with your setup i would think your torque should be higher than your hp.

marcus

[stroker95]

i agree with all of you. there are a lot of variables to consider. as far as the dyno is concerned, it peaked 24 rwhp higher with this intake over my trick flow track heat. it lost peak torque. the curve is longer over the previous pulls, and it just keeps going up, i could make more rwhp, but im out of valve spring at 6500. and it wants to spin past 7. no vacuum to the regulator is the first thing im gona fix. probably one of the vacuum control midules in the fender is out, cause its the factory vacuum line running to the regulaot. ill fix that and go from there. the ignition id all fine. the chip has never really been "dyno" tuned. that may help. and im thinking even more gear than the 3:90's in the car now. i want to run the 1/4 and see how it does. it trapped with the old intake a highest of 89.8 mph. so i know it will run. it spun the 28x10.5 slicks especially in first gear. and even worse on the dr's. bogged down when not leaving very hard. car makes great power, but not below 4k like it did with the other intake. thinking its more of a "street" car or 1/4 mile car rather than an 1/8 mile car, or need forced induction with this intake. im not changing that intake,lol. 200 shot might be a god idea as well. lots to consider. ran a best of8.7/84. now thats lousy for the amount of pawer it makes. will work on this and keep yall posted.

dave.

[Beej]

that is a good place to get started, I thought it was weard that you had no vaume at all. I know a big cam will cause a little vacume lose, but there was none. :D That will help, plus adding, or taking out some timing. I would go to a dyno, and rent it for an hour, and see what it does, start out with timing, and fuel pressure and go from there. That will help alot. You will be surprised alot how much you can pick up with just those to varialbles.

[stroker95]

already done the dyno with fuel pressure and timing.made best power at about 17 degrees and 44 psi. but wasnt paying attenting to the vacuum problem at that time. going back some time and see what will happen. want to try working on the chip too. dont think the race fuel is helping,lol.

dave.

[Beej]

Originally posted by stroker95
already done the dyno with fuel pressure and timing.made best power at about 17 degrees and 44 psi. but wasnt paying attenting to the vacuum problem at that time. going back some time and see what will happen. want to try working on the chip too. dont think the race fuel is helping,lol.



dave. That was one of the things I thought about too. If your car is tunned on 93, and you bump the octane, normally you need to drop fuel pressure, and add timing, that may have hurt it. That is why I think you should just run 93 next time. A little race gas is ok, because it will even out the fuel a little, and ward off detination, as it did in my car. We only added half a gallon, and I already had a 1/4 of 93, so It really didnt change my fuel as much as it did you.

I definatly bet that vacume will help alot. I bet you can turn your static fuel pressure down to 36-38, and I bet it will run better all over the band.

If you are seeing 40-44 psi with no vacume, and not seeing any vacume at all on the regulator, it is really hurting your low end power, and that is what you need in the 1/8th, if you can get that vacume fixed, and the pressure dialed in, I bet you will notice a definate differance, and another couple tenths, and couple mph in the 1/8th

[stroker95]

well, lol, let the tuning begin,lol. see you all at sonic tonight for all of you that are going, instead of replacing that vacuum managment valve, im just gonna tee off into the source vacuum, set and go drive it, see how it goes. see yall tonight. i wont get out of church until close to 8. so we will be there after that.

dave.

ps. thanks everyone for not ragging my ass for having a lot of power and not running worth a crap. shows a lot of maturity on the members part. besides, if someone talks trash, we know how this thing does on the street,lol.thanks a lot to all of you.

dave.:D

[aggie97]

I forgot you were running a little race gas in the car......You might not have enough ignition power to light off the a/f mixture if you are really running as rich as I think you are. If your a/f is down in the 11's or even 10's which is where I think it might be, you have so much fuel that the plugs aren't lighting it ALL off.

I would start at getting vacuum to the regulator and then tune for ideal a/f. Then see if the car comes to life.

Bye the way, how much low end torque did you lose?

Also, if the engine wants to go to 7k and that is the power band for the intake and cam, you have got to get the right valve springs or they are floating so bad you aren't going to be able to tune it right.

too many parts and pieces to deal with.

[stroker95]

it lost 28 rear wheel torque. it was almost totally race fuel. only had about a gallon of 93 in it and put 4.5 gallons of b35 in it. going to go fix the vvacuum now. will let yall know tonight. hey marcus answer your cellphone,lol.
check your pm's.
dave.

[Beej]

I would take your regulator vacume directly off the manifold vacume. does your intake have any vacume ports.

[stroker95]

regulator has vacuum now. just ran a new line from source to the regulator. set it at 37 off, went to 30 on vacuum. will drive to church and to sonic tonight. one problem at a time,lol. you know, far as long as i was a ford technician, i didnt even think there wasnt vacuum to the regulator because i used the factory regulator vacuum line. see hnow it runs, see yall tonight.


dave.

[TEXAS TORNADO]

Originally posted by stroker95
also, will someone tell me who texas tornado is? i was informed that he was talking trash and laughing at me or my car? anyone tell whom this individual is? and if what i have heard is true, why he is running off at the mouth?this really pisses me off to no end.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FROM WHAT I SAW:rolleyes:

[TEXAS TORNADO]

Originally posted by TEXAS TORNADO
FROM WHAT I SAW:rolleyes: FOR CAR OF THE MONTH ,LOL

[stroker95]

who are you? why would you talk smack and dont even know me? how silly is that? yes it wouldnt make a good pass or put up a good number, so what. as far as car of the month, do you think the only way to earn that is to run a number? ever heard of having a nice car that other people think should be the car of the month, and decided that it would be?i guess i dont understand why you would run off at the mouth about a lousy night at the track and dog my car. pretty uncool if you ask me.by the way, what do youo have? is it faster than mine? is it is detailed as mine? have you put your heart, soul, anda huge pile of money into your car? or is it just fast and look bad? who are you?i will ask that you refrain from talking down about other peoples cars, especialy if you dont have a clue as to whom they are. anyone on here besides me think this is uncool?

dave.

[Jedi]

Originally posted by TEXAS TORNADO
FROM WHAT I SAW:rolleyes:

Please pick up your "I'm a stupid newbie" sign at the door please.

[stroker95]

lol, (doing my best jeff foxworthy impression), "heres your sign",lol. thats creative chris,lol.good one.:D :D

[White_lightning]

Originally posted by stroker95
lol, (doing my best jeff foxworthy impression), "heres your sign",lol. thats creative chris,lol.good one.:D :D
I DONT HAVE ANYTHING SMART TO SAY SO I WILL JUST TYPE COMMENTS ABOUT YOUR CAR IN LARGE CAPS TO MAKE MYSELF FEEL BETTER!!! YOUR CAR IS (INSERT INSULT HERE) AND MY CAR IS soOOO MUCH BETTER!!!!


LOL
wow.. texas tornado.. you made a lasting impression everyone here.

[stroker95]

omg,lol:D

[mike89lx]

Stroker95,
I think from driving your car, it really felt no better than my 01 Cobra. You really need to find out the true cr of the motor,remember that intake is filling the cylinders much slower than that track heat was. So with more cr you get back all the cylinder pressure and pick up air speed and not detonate. Most 5.0l with long runner intakes fill the cylinders very quickly, which is fine for 5k rpms shifts, but when you add 11:1cr to these type of intakes they detonate like crazy unlike the spyder type intake. Just look at the ls1,lt1 intakes the chevy guys learned long ago.

You might pick back up with a Performer intake due to the mild cr of the motor and that cam.

I am not saying that intake(spyder) will work on every combo, just not well with Dave's cr and cam.

Mike

[Saladbar]

Mike...... shuddup and get your car to the track! ;)

[stroker95]

and the as the world turns saga continues,lol.

[mike89lx]

Originally posted by Saladbar
Mike...... shuddup and get your car to the track! ;)

Hey these crate motors take time!!:D My offer still stands on my lx.

Mike

[Saladbar]

Welp Mike...... Get a move on man! ;) I'm on my 3rd motor.. heh.. Not a good thing :p

[mike89lx]

Originally posted by Saladbar
Welp Mike...... Get a move on man! ;) I'm on my 3rd motor.. heh.. Not a good thing :p

I am trying:mad:

Mike

[txsr20de]

Originally posted by 2cammer97
i only saw three fbods all night run faster than 8.8. there was a black TA on prostars runnin 8.0's, a red SS that was runnin 8.3-8.8 at 87-88 mph, and a black SS runnin low 8's at 90 mph. all the others were runnin 8.8-9.3 at 79-82 mph from what i saw.

marcus

seems like most people with these cars have a hard time running good times, especially the 6 speeds. I did an 8.6@85 my first time ever with a badly slipping clutch. got drug by an auto on DR's though :rolleyes:

[Saladbar]

It's all in slipping the clutch ;) ..


Or dropping from 6k :D



- and Mike.... We'll have to make sure I get a pic w/ my helmet on ;) .. PS - two passes please? :)

[DON SVO]

Originally posted by TEXAS TORNADO
FOR CAR OF THE MONTH ,LOL

and who the fuck do you think you are???

i swear to god, if you have one of those Tornado intake thingies on your car i will kick the fuck out of you...

[b1ake]

Originally posted by DonSVO
and who the fuck do you think you are???

i swear to god, if you have one of those Tornado intake thingies on your car i will kick the fuck out of you...

Big words for a little man, Don!!!! LOL!!

:p

[Beej]

Originally posted by mike89lx
Stroker95,
I think from driving your car, it really felt no better than my 01 Cobra. You really need to find out the true cr of the motor,remember that intake is filling the cylinders much slower than that track heat was. So with more cr you get back all the cylinder pressure and pick up air speed and not detonate. Most 5.0l with long runner intakes fill the cylinders very quickly, which is fine for 5k rpms shifts, but when you add 11:1cr to these type of intakes they detonate like crazy unlike the spyder type intake. Just look at the ls1,lt1 intakes the chevy guys learned long ago.

You might pick back up with a Performer intake due to the mild cr of the motor and that cam.

I am not saying that intake(spyder) will work on every combo, just not well with Dave's cr and cam.

Mike



my exact thoughts as well. I bet he will be surprised.

[GRAYHORSE]

Originally posted by TEXAS TORNADO
FOR CAR OF THE MONTH ,LOL

Who the hell are you and why are you talking about someone you dont even know. Just look at the mods on Daves car and ask yourself what it could be running when its tuned.

Car of the Month! I guess your saying if he put a 200 shot on and beat almost everything out there, he would be worthy enough for car of month.

I didnt see you post what you drive. Are you that much better. Maybe your car should be Jan. car of the month. :rolleyes:

[Saladbar]

Originally posted by BLACK96STROKER


I didnt see you post what you drive. Are you that much better. Maybe your car should be Jan. car of the month. :rolleyes:


I bet his friends have a fst car.

And FWIW - his car was december's car of the month :p ...

there wasn't one......... EXACTLY! :D

[stroker95]

well, i suppose since there was only a couple of days left in december that they decided to do it for january. im just really honored to have recieved it mainly.makes all the investment and work that ive put into it worthwhile,lol.
as far as the car goes, if nobody purchases it over the next few months, then some changes will be made. looking at a solid roller and more compression, possibly an svo block. maybe also some nitrous as well. would like to make a little over 500 at the flywheel on motor before the spray. might be pretty neat. also, thanks guys for having my back on this other issue, shows what a class act most of the people on this board really are.

dave.

[Saladbar]

Dave!!! My post was directed @ Texas Tornado.... Saying his car must've been the Dec. COTM ;) .. Even though he isn't anything more than a Dust Devil. DUST DEVIL I mean.

I was being sarcastic, just guess ya thought I was ribbing you.

[stroker95]

no, i dodnt think that at all,lol. i did think you wer referring to the dec. cotm as being mine as well,lol. gotta love the fun of the internet. dust devil, lmao, i likle that one, gonna use that one too,lol.:D

[Saladbar]

What kind of noise does a dust devil make? Pssssssssst.


And that's about it!

[stroker95]

:D