Some 03 Cobra Dyno #'s [Archive]

P.O.S._Dubyuharex

07-17-2002, 09:05 AM

Originally posted by Cmarsh93z
Damn nice numbers. I bet 500rwhp is gonna be attainable with bolt-ons.......and unlike LS1's, this one should stay together :)

BTW, does it have the same style intercooler as the lightning, or any intercooler at all?

Chris
I know its got a frount mount. I think it has a larger capacity then the lightning's.

302_plus_a_few

07-17-2002, 09:10 AM

Originally posted by onlya302
Well, Joe got his 03 Cobra in Last week, with an off-road X Pipe and 3" Race Magnums it made 403 rwhp 384 rwtq, added a "smaller" blower pulley 461 rwhp and 454 rwtq :D Holy snikies bat man!! These things are going to be stronger than mule piss when as parts become more available.....Originally posted by Cmarsh93z
.......and unlike LS1's, this one should stay together :)LOL! Did you just say that?

NDSP

07-17-2002, 09:18 AM

Originally posted by mustang_marc
I know. Now there might be a stang that can give you a run for your money:D

Man, those are impressive numbers! 500 can't be too far off.

There a plenty of stangs that can walk him, he just refuses to race them. He only likes to race sure wins. You know, refuse to go to the track to race, or offer a road race instead of a drag race. Or lets run from a punch. All ricer tactics. But David isn't alone most LS1 owners are like that, especially the vette owners.

Monsoon X

07-17-2002, 09:37 AM

Originally posted by NDSP

There a plenty of stangs that can walk him, he just refuses to race them. He only likes to race sure wins. You know, refuse to go to the track to race, or offer a road race instead of a drag race. Or lets run from a punch. All ricer tactics. But David isn't alone most LS1 owners are like that, especially the vette owners.

Darn tootin! Utilize your strengths. You don't see Sumo wrestlers trying to race Michael Johnson do you? :p

BTW......I heard you got a little Black GT......when you wanna line up? ;)

bsharer

07-17-2002, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by P.O.S.94-5.0.

I know its got a frount mount. I think it has a larger capacity then the lightning's.

Front mount air to air?

No way...

LT12NV-420

07-17-2002, 10:08 AM

I thought it was air to water/coolent under the compressor..?

How is it a front mount even possible with an Eaton? just wondering!!:)

bsharer

07-17-2002, 10:15 AM

Exactly, if it has a cooler, its air to water and the core is under the blower in the 'lifter' valley.

NDSP

07-17-2002, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by Monsoon X

Darn tootin! Utilize your strengths. You don't see Sumo wrestlers trying to race Michael Johnson do you? :p

BTW......I heard you got a little Black GT......when you wanna line up? ;)

Give me a month to finish turning it into a coupe and painting it. :)

Boss Hogg

07-17-2002, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by NDSP
There a plenty of stangs that can walk him, he just refuses to race them. He only likes to race sure wins. You know, refuse to go to the track to race, or offer a road race instead of a drag race. Or lets run from a punch. All ricer tactics. But David isn't alone most LS1 owners are like that, especially the vette owners.
LMAO, when have I turned down a race? Wanna race? I'm free at lunchtime. Let's do this.

You're just making excuses because you are scared to race me anywhere that you can't 1.5 60ft. You'd think a gutted big block race car w/ gobs of nitrous would pull on a 3600 lbs LS1 daily driver w/ a small shot. :confused:

Monsoon X

07-17-2002, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by NDSP

Give me a month to finish turning it into a coupe and painting it. :)

I DON'T WANNA JUDGE IT!!! I WANNA RACE IT!!!

Cmarsh93z

07-17-2002, 10:44 AM

So does the 03 Cobra have an intercooler? I know some of the lightnings are pickiung up 20+ rwhp just by hooking up icewater...and thats at modest boost levels.

Whats scarey is, when someone throws a 150hp nitrous kit on one of these 460 rwhp bolt-on cars. Hmmmmmm....cold nitrous, boost, a motor with good parts inside. I think we are gonna have a bunch of stupid morons with 600rwhp killing themselves. :)

Chris

Boss Hogg

07-17-2002, 10:53 AM

About to be posted by NDSP
I'll race you at Kennedale on Fri night!
:rolleyes:

Monsoon X

07-17-2002, 11:01 AM

The Eaton is air-to-water with it's own seperate coolant loop and expansion tank.

NDSP

07-17-2002, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by David Z28

LMAO, when have I turned down a race? Wanna race? I'm free at lunchtime. Let's do this.

You're just making excuses because you are scared to race me anywhere that you can't 1.5 60ft. You'd think a gutted big block race car w/ gobs of nitrous would pull on a 3600 lbs LS1 daily driver w/ a small shot. :confused:

I could no problem. Gob's of nitrous??, your paradigm is too low. The guys I race against consider my shot tiny. Your scared to race me at the track. where it happens to be legal to race. where I want to race = legal, where you want to race = illegal. no brainer for me.

I not going to race my car on the street when it doesn't have inspection, registration, and insurance. And I'm not going to get those things just to race you. Unless you want to race for $500. I think my car will 60ft just fine on the street, and good chassis setup is a good chassis setup. My car weighs 3429, its no light weight.

The fact is, the fast mustangs race at the track and LS1s avoid the track because they boom bitch(clutch or rearend).

Until you have a car that can perform well at the track against real competition, you are nothing more than a street squirrel. I am one of 4(so far) late model mustangs that run at the TTT5 races, guess how many LS1's there are. Guess how many BBC's there are.

Cmarsh93z

07-17-2002, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by Monsoon X
The Eaton is air-to-water with it's own seperate coolant loop and expansion tank.

But I am thinking that the 03 cobra might not have an intercooler because of hood issues. Look how freaking big the lightning motor is :) I just wanted to get a definete anwser on it...cause I really haven't heard much mention of it.

Chris

Monsoon X

07-17-2002, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by Cmarsh93z

But I am thinking that the 03 cobra might not have an intercooler because of hood issues. Look how freaking big the lightning motor is :) I just wanted to get a definete anwser on it...cause I really haven't heard much mention of it.

Chris

Yes. It has an a to w intercooler w/ a coolant loop and expansion tank. Am I missing something? I'm not a SC expert. :(

Boss Hogg

07-17-2002, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by NDSP
Your scared to race me at the track. where it happens to be legal to race. where I want to race = legal, where you want to race = illegal. no brainer for me.
I'm not scared. I just haven't gone up to Denton in the last 5 years. Paying $20 buck for 5 races in 4 hours and driving 100 miles each way = no brainer for me.

Originally posted by NDSP
I not going to race my car on the street when it doesn't have inspection, registration, and insurance. And I'm not going to get those things just to race you. Unless you want to race for $500. I think my car will 60ft just fine on the street, and good chassis setup is a good chassis setup. My car weighs 3429, its no light weight.
We'll get all that stuff and let's race. You said I won't race fast Mustangs. So, I'm giving you the opportunity.

Originally posted by NDSP
The fact is, the fast mustangs race at the track and LS1s avoid the track because they boom bitch(clutch or rearend).
No, the fast mustangs race at the track because they can't make it back home without a trailer. ;)

Originally posted by NDSP
Until you have a car that can perform well at the track against real competition, you are nothing more than a street squirrel.
And until you have a car that can perform well on the street against real competition, you are nothing more than a trailer queen. I like to drive my car. It's purpose is more than just to 60ft.

Originally posted by NDSP
I am one of 4(so far) late model mustangs that run at the TTT5 races, guess how many LS1's there are. Guess how many BBC's there are.
Do you honestly believe the 4 fastest cars in the metroplex are all at TTT5 and that you are one of them? :confused: Do you really believe that there isn't a GM in the metroplex capable of running mid 6s @ 100mph?

mustang_marc

07-17-2002, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by Cmarsh93z
Whats scarey is, when someone throws a 150hp nitrous kit on one of these 460 rwhp bolt-on cars. Hmmmmmm....cold nitrous, boost, a motor with good parts inside. I think we are gonna have a bunch of stupid morons with 600rwhp killing themselves. :)

Chris Is nitrous even all that effective when you only have 8.5:1 compression ratio?

Monsoon X

07-17-2002, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by mustang_marc
Is nitrous even all that effective when you only have 8.5:1 compression ratio?

If I'm not mistaken with the SC huffin' the CR isn't exactly 8.5:1 anymore.

Cmarsh93z

07-17-2002, 02:20 PM

Nitrous basicly supercools a blower car. If you add a "50shot", it usally adds 60rwhp on a blower car.....and its actually safe. It cools the intake charge down, and if you run the kit rich, you can add alittle extra fuel to the mix.

Chris

NDSP

07-17-2002, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by David Z28

I'm not scared. I just haven't gone up to Denton in the last 5 years. Paying $20 buck for 5 races in 4 hours and driving 100 miles each way = no brainer for me.

If you went to the track on some other night than test-n-tune street squirrel night, you know that you could go and spend $15 and get as many runs as your little heart desired. Go on any TTT5 or KOTH race and you can get as many runs inbetween rounds as you could desire.

Originally posted by David Z28

Do you honestly believe the 4 fastest cars in the metroplex are all at TTT5 and that you are one of them? :confused: Do you really believe that there isn't a GM in the metroplex capable of running mid 6s @ 100mph?

Are you that reading comprehension disabled. I never said anything like that. I said 4 mustangs run in TTT5. I am one of those 4. I never they were the fastest, or I was. I, as a matter of fact, had the slowest run in competition the last time with a 6.83@97. Right now I am the slowest competitor in TTT5. I know of many GM's capable of running mids 6's and faster, they are all early model camaro's and the like. Most of them have big block chevies, a few are small blocks. I don't know of any LS1's that can run mid 6's in the metroplex.

NDSP

07-17-2002, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by David Z28

And until you have a car that can perform well on the street against real competition, you are nothing more than a trailer queen. I like to drive my car. It's purpose is more than just to 60ft.

Since when was the street a place for real competition to be held. I have a car that once completely ironed out should perform better than most at the track in my class(TTT5).

I have a car that I drive, it gets me from point a to point be. It works as well as I care for it to. I have a car I race, it works okay and will get better. They are two purpose built cars. You have a jack of all trades, master of NONE. At least I am attempting to compete against the best with my race car. You just feed on every stock/bolt on mustang you can find to feed your under nourished ego.

Boss Hogg

07-17-2002, 04:02 PM

Originally posted by NDSP
If you went to the track on some other night than test-n-tune street squirrel night, you know that you could go and spend $15 and get as many runs as your little heart desired.
That's nice, but I'd still have to drive forever to race at half a track.

Originally posted by NDSP
Are you that reading comprehension disabled. I never said anything like that.
Then what was the point of mentioning it?

Originally posted by NDSP
I know of many GM's capable of running mids 6's and faster, they are all early model camaro's and the like. Most of them have big block chevies, a few are small blocks.
Why aren't they in your little series?

Originally posted by NDSP
I don't know of any LS1's that can run mid 6's in the metroplex.
Of course, you don't. The only thing you know is what is at Denton on Sat. nights.

AL P

07-17-2002, 04:14 PM

The 03 Cobra does have an air to water intercooler. I saw the air bubbling up in the tank when I started the one at Middlekauf...car is QUIET too when stock....you could barely hear it running...there is lots of power hiding in that exhaust!

Damn CJ you are making me want to buy one of these cars!! DAMN YOU!!!!

NDSP

07-17-2002, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by David Z28

Then what was the point of mentioning it?

to refute your erroneous statement implying that I said that.

Originally posted by David Z28

Why aren't they in your little series?

There are 14 Big Block chevy cars in TTT5. of the 18 cars that were at the last race, 14 where BBC, 2 where SBF's, 1 BBF, and 1 SBC. When I asked "How many LS1's are in TTT5?" the answer was 0. When I asked "How many BBC's" the answer was 14.

Originally posted by David Z28

Of course, you don't. The only thing you know is what is at Denton on Sat. nights.
No, becuase there isn't a LS1 powered car running mid 6's or better in the 1/8 in the metroplex.

Boss Hogg

07-17-2002, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by NDSP
Since when was the street a place for real competition to be held.
Where do you think the first drag race was held? :confused: On a track? Streetracing spawned the NHRA.

Originally posted by NDSP
You have a jack of all trades, master of NONE. You just feed on every stock/bolt on mustang you can find to feed your under nourished ego.
:confused: Have you not kept up to date. Coop dynoed 570rwhp and I raced him. Henry has a blown/N20 Cobra that dynoed ~460 rwhp and I raced him. I race everything because I don't have any ego problems. I don't care if I win or lose.

And from the board, I usually race people with more HP than me.
STANGGT40 410rwhp
JC 370rwhp
BYBOTIE +400rwhp
SC4.6GT 410rwhp

You have no case, butterface! :D

NDSP

07-17-2002, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by David Z28

Where do you think the first drag race was held? :confused: On a track? Streetracing spawned the NHRA.

That was 40+ years ago.

Originally posted by David Z28

:confused: Have you not kept up to date. Coop dynoed 570rwhp and I raced him. Henry has a blown/N20 Cobra that dynoed ~460 rwhp and I raced him. I race everything because I don't have any ego problems. I don't care if I win or lose.

And from the board, I usually race people with more HP than me.
STANGGT40 410rwhp
JC 370rwhp
BYBOTIE +400rwhp
SC4.6GT 410rwhp

You have no case, butterface! :D

Yeah, but then I couldn't of hurled that cut down at you. So I used selective memory. It comes in handy for time to time.

Boss Hogg

07-17-2002, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by NDSP

to refute your erroneous statement implying that I said that.

There are 14 Big Block chevy cars in TTT5. of the 18 cars that were at the last race, 14 where BBC, 2 where SBF's, 1 BBF, and 1 SBC. When I asked "How many LS1's are in TTT5?" the answer was 0. When I asked "How many BBC's" the answer was 14.Ah I see, I thought you were trying to imply that there were 0 GMs at your races.

Originally posted by NDSP
No, becuase there isn't a LS1 powered car running mid 6's or better in the 1/8 in the metroplex. You sure about that? Care to put some money on it?

Boss Hogg

07-17-2002, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by David Z28
You sure about that? Care to put some money on it?
(Insert Silence)

NDSP

07-17-2002, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by David Z28
Ah I see, I thought you were trying to imply that there were 0 GMs at your races.

You sure about that? Care to put some money on it?

Why, I don't know every LS1 one in the metroplex. But the ones that have eve come close go boom bitch and then are out of commission for another years or so. Then again, siince then only seem to run at the track on street squirrel nights, how would I know of them. They don't race at the real races.

Boss Hogg

07-17-2002, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by NDSP
Why, I don't know every LS1 one in the metroplex.
Because you made the following statement.
Originally posted by NDSP
there isn't a LS1 powered car running mid 6's or better in the 1/8 in the metroplex.
I thought you might want to make some easy money.

Originally posted by NDSP
But the ones that have eve come close go boom bitch and then are out of commission for another years or so.
Yes, only LS1s do that. :rolleyes: I've never heard of a non-LS1 on the jackstand racing team.

Dammit, you couldn't come up with a point if I gave you a box of needles.

NDSP

07-17-2002, 06:01 PM

name one LS1 running mid 6's David. One that is still running that is.

Boss Hogg

07-17-2002, 06:03 PM

How much are we playing for?

NDSP

07-17-2002, 06:10 PM

Originally posted by David Z28
How much are we playing for?

Your bluffing, wiener. But, since I pay more attention to the real racing scene, I'll not put any money on it. The fastest running LS1 I know of the that speedworks vette that ran 7.0's. Jordan ran a 6.8 but that was with a different daddy bought motor, not his current daddy bought motor.

Boss Hogg

07-17-2002, 06:20 PM

How about a friendly wager? If I produce a DFW area LS1 that runs mid 6s, you have to write "David Z28 is my Daddy!" in your location under your profile. If I cannot. I will write "NDSP is my Daddy!" in the same location.

NDSP

07-17-2002, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by David Z28
How about a friendly wager? If I produce a DFW area LS1 that runs mid 6s, you have to write "David Z28 is my Daddy!" in your location under your profile. If I cannot. I will write "NDSP is my Daddy!" in the same location.

For how long. Obviously you think you know of a car that runs that. But it sounds like a fun wager though. So sure I'm game, but lets put a one month time limit. This is your burden of proof too. I'll require a time slip and proof of the car exactly existing and running that time on the time slip.

Boss Hogg

07-17-2002, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by NDSP

For how long. Obviously you think you know of a car that runs that. But it sounds like a fun wager though. So sure I'm game, but lets put a one month time limit.
OK, one month. Here's the timeslip.
http://www.horsepowerstore.com/images/products/projectws6/timeslip.jpg
And here's the car.
http://www.horsepowerstore.com/images/products/projectws6/gm_htp.jpg
Speaking of Jordon Musser. Why who is that on the cover? :confused:

Cmarsh93z

07-17-2002, 07:04 PM

http://www.dfwstangs.net/hosting/Cmarsh93z/owned.jpg

TAMUz06

07-17-2002, 07:07 PM

LMFAO!

Vitriol

07-17-2002, 07:37 PM

Oh shit!

hahahahha

z28ss21

07-17-2002, 07:38 PM

DAMN!!!!! DZ is the man.

NDSP

07-17-2002, 08:44 PM

Oh please one fucking LS1 in all of DFW runs mid 6's and somehow he is the man and he owned me. Yall are pathetic. And its a fucking shop car to boot. That is a full 1.5 seconds slower than J&L's shop car. Wow what an accomplishment. I will call that shop tomorrow to see if it is currently running and if that time indeed does belong to that car. Then if it all checks out I will pay up.

mustang_marc

07-17-2002, 08:59 PM

Originally posted by NDSP
Then if it all checks out I will pay up. It'll check out. I think there's a video of that run around here somewhere.

z28ss21

07-17-2002, 09:03 PM

http://www.horsepowerstore.com/page.asp?id=1

NDSP

07-17-2002, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by mustang_marc
It'll check out. I think there's a video of that run around here somewhere.

I found the website so the time and car are good, the only question remaining is whether or not it is currently running or not.

On another note, how freaking lame, 7lb of procharger boost and 150 shot of nitrous to go along with stage two heads, LS6 intake. Lammmmmmmmeooooooooooo.

z28ss21

07-17-2002, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by NDSP

I found the website so the time and car are good, the only question remaining is whether or not it is currently running or not.

On another note, how freaking lame, 7lb of procharger boost and 150 shot of nitrous to go along with stage two heads, LS6 intake. Lammmmmmmmeooooooooooo.

How about a big block, hoared out, drag car running slower et's with a huge shot of n20?

NDSP

07-17-2002, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by z28ss21

How about a big block, hoared out, drag car running slower et's with a huge shot of n20?

Are you one of the typical LS1 owners that think just because it is a big block it should run fucking 5's. Used to having the factory do it for you so you don't have to know how to go fast for yourself. You obviously don't know your ass from a whole in the ground if so. I have $3000 in my motor of which $1000 is the valvetrain. Stock valved cast iron 1960's technology heads. Car is not whored out, you have never even seen it. Huge shot of nitrous, your paradigm is in little league. Typical LS1 owner. Actually considering my car cost less than a forth of what theirs did($7000 total) to build and with a correct convertor will be faster. I think mine is not to shabby.

AnotherRedHead

07-17-2002, 09:20 PM

But James, he's right it does look like shit....

NDSP

07-17-2002, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by AnotherRedHead
But James, he's right it does look like shit....

Ugly yes, whored out no. I have never really given two shakes about looks. But I am painting it soon. So it will only be ugly within 20 ft. LOL

It just irritates the shit out of me when LS1 babies who only need to bolt on a lid and headers(if that) to run 12's mock other cars. If they had to make any other car fast outside of the ls1 they would be lost. Even the LT1 and 5.0 require allot more thought than the LS1. God forbid they have to make a 60s/70s motor fast.

z28ss21

07-17-2002, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by NDSP

Ugly yes, whored out no. I have never really given two shakes about looks. But I am painting it soon. So it will only be ugly within 20 ft. LOL

It just irritates the shit out of me when LS1 babies who only need to bolt on a lid and headers(if that) to run 12's mock other cars. If they had to make any other car fast outside of the ls1 they would be lost. Even the LT1 and 5.0 require allot more thought than the LS1. God forbid they have to make a 60s/70s motor fast.

Bitch please, I had a 97 cobra that ran 8.30's at dale N/A with 265rwhp with a 1.7x 60ft. Thats pretty damn good I thought. Step away from the donuts and calm down. You asked if there was a local LS1 running 6's and you got an answer.

Boss Hogg

07-17-2002, 10:51 PM

It runs. I was up there today at lunchtime.

Originally posted by NDSP
On another note, how freaking lame, 7lb of procharger boost and 150 shot of nitrous to go along with stage two heads, LS6 intake. Lammmmmmmmeooooooooooo.
Personally, it think that's just the wrong setup. If it were me I'd take that 4 grand blower and spend it on more displacement.

Originally posted by NDSP
Typical LS1 owner. Actually considering my car cost less than a forth of what theirs did($7000 total) to build and with a correct convertor will be faster.
That was 302paf's old arguement. Just a couple of points.
What is the total cost and is it really that different?
1. ROI - While his car cost 4x $7000, it is still worth 3x $7000 after 3 years of owning the car.
2. Opportunity Cost - He hasn't spent 10,000 man hours building his car.
3. Total Investment - He doesn't have to pay for a 2nd car as a daily driver or need a trailer to race it.

Originally posted by NDSP
It just irritates the shit out of me when LS1 babies who only need to bolt on a lid and headers(if that) to run 12's mock other cars. If they had to make any other car fast outside of the ls1 they would be lost. Even the LT1 and 5.0 require allot more thought than the LS1. God forbid they have to make a 60s/70s motor fast.
It's not my fault it's so damn easy. I don't make my own clothes or milk the cow either, should I feel less adequate?

Josh

07-17-2002, 11:09 PM

Personally, it think that's just the wrong setup. If it were me I'd take that 4 grand blower and spend it on more displacement
I'd be willing to bet they would too. But why not advertise a ProCharger and Nitrous on the same car. Bascally it is a 10 second billboard.

NDSP

07-17-2002, 11:56 PM

Originally posted by David Z28

That was 302paf's old arguement. Just a couple of points.
What is the total cost and is it really that different?
1. ROI - While his car cost 4x $7000, it is still worth 3x $7000 after 3 years of owning the car.
2. Opportunity Cost - He hasn't spent 10,000 man hours building his car.
3. Total Investment - He doesn't have to pay for a 2nd car as a daily driver or need a trailer to race it.

It's not my fault it's so damn easy. I don't make my own clothes or milk the cow either, should I feel less adequate?

My car is worth what I have in it. I haven't spent more than 200 total man hours on that car. It took me that long to build it because I have other responcibilities beside the car. Both time and financial. I wouldn't be suprised for a minute that he does indeed trailer that car to the track.

You haven't made stupid comments about what cars should and shouldn't be fast. At least that weren't purposefully done so. Feel less adequate, no. Maybe just have less to be proud about. didn't take as much know how to do it. You may call it being smart. I call it less challanging, and therefor less rewarding. To each there own.

<----- there you happy. The clock starts now 7/18/02

Monsoon X

07-18-2002, 07:36 AM

This thread is hilarious!

Kris

07-18-2002, 07:45 AM

I say everyone get an LS1.:rolleyes:

Monsoon X

07-18-2002, 07:54 AM

Originally posted by Kris
I say everyone get an LS1.:rolleyes:

That's a good idea. I mean seriously.

I'm curious as to just how many Fords on this site ,when they see the owners of GM vehicles that frequent this site driving around, can beat them?

Kris

07-18-2002, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by Monsoon X

That's a good idea. I mean seriously.

I'm curious as to just how many Fords on this site ,when they see the owners of GM vehicles that frequent this site driving around, can beat them?

I'm not sure, but as you stated..."I'm not too worried".:D

Monsoon X

07-18-2002, 08:23 AM

Originally posted by Kris

I'm not sure, but as you stated..."I'm not too worried".:D

I'm still waiting for you to call me man. Get that thing running already!!! :)

SSmoked

07-18-2002, 08:39 AM

Originally posted by David Z28

It's not my fault it's so damn easy. I don't make my own clothes or milk the cow either, should I feel less adequate?

bwaahhahhahha!!! I never thought id see the day a mustan owner would cry over 2 bolts ons putting an LS1 in the 12s, at least you have a cobra now that you can claim the same with...

Kris

07-18-2002, 08:50 AM

Originally posted by Monsoon X

I'm still waiting for you to call me man. Get that thing running already!!! :)

It's running, just trying to get the bugs all worked out before I go hunting.;)

Swoll5.0

07-18-2002, 09:17 AM

Originally posted by SSmoked

bwaahhahhahha!!! I never thought id see the day a mustan owner would cry over 2 bolts ons putting an LS1 in the 12s, at least you have a cobra now that you can claim the same with... minus the 2 bolt-ons. :D

The 'Stang crowd is getting a little bitchy. I have a 93 5.0. Why? Part of it is that I have been raised around Mustangs and have always wanted one. The other part of it is the fact that I'm 20 and taking a full-load in college. If I had 25K to drop, I'd definitely have an LS1. It's a newer car with a kickass engine. Just because it has a higher price and is harder to work on doesn't mean the owners are pieces of sh*t. Are they cocky? Yes. Are alot of 5.0 owners cocky, too? Yes.

NDSP

07-18-2002, 09:37 AM

Originally posted by SSmoked

bwaahhahhahha!!! I never thought id see the day a mustan owner would cry over 2 bolts ons putting an LS1 in the 12s, at least you have a cobra now that you can claim the same with...

Cry, not at all. If you didn't have it done for you, you couldn't do it. That makes you dependant. Most Mustang owners have to be able to do it for themselves. So when they run quick, it means something. You can't say the same.

I am ALLOT faster than you, and I did it with my combo, my work, and my dollar. I have something to be proud of, you don't.

Monsoon X

07-18-2002, 09:51 AM

Originally posted by NDSP

I am ALLOT faster than you, and I did it with my combo, my work, and my dollar. I have something to be proud of, you don't.

LOL puhleeze.

There are many combos for the LS1 these days. Some make more than others just like you can put together a nice package on a 302 and make more/less HP than another 302 combo, so can the LS1 crowd. (example some cam only cars make about 10hp less than some H/C cars)

And there are far more LS1 folks than you think that do their own work and decide on what combo they are gonna run.

NDSP

07-18-2002, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by Monsoon X

LOL puhleeze.

There are many combos for the LS1 these days. Some make more than others just like you can put together a nice package on a 302 and make more/less HP than another 302 combo, so can the LS1 crowd. (example some cam only cars make about 10hp less than some H/C cars)

And there are far more LS1 folks than you think that do their own work and decide on what combo they are gonna run.

There are how many cams,heads, and intakes available for the LS1. Now compare that to the 5.0. Take the ls1 options and factor it by 10. LS1 has two intake options, 5.0 has 12 or more, LS1 has one or two heads options, 5.0 has 15 or more, LS1 has 10 cam options(I'm guessing) outside of custom, 5.0 has 100's. Not even close. The old motors ford and GM's alike are allot harder even still, because there OEM stuff sucks ass. You HAVE to replace it all just to go 12's, and you have to do it right to boot. You have it easy.

Monsoon X

07-18-2002, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by NDSP

There are how many cams,heads, and intakes available for the LS1. Now compare that to the 5.0. Take the ls1 options and factor it by 10. LS1 has two intake options, 5.0 has 12 or more, LS1 has one or two heads options, 5.0 has 15 or more, LS1 has 10 cam options(I'm guessing) outside of custom, 5.0 has 100's. Not even close. The old motors ford and GM's alike are allot harder even still, because there OEM stuff sucks ass. You HAVE to replace it all just to go 12's, and you have to do it right to boot. You have it easy.

You assume too much in your arguments.

And who cares about 12s? That's like 5.0s running 14s? It's easy. Most LS1'ers shoot for 11s and 10s that takes planning and getting the right combo. You assume too little about the LS1 world and the serious racers in it.

There are tons of heads options,valve combos,cams,strokers,Power adders, pick your poison when it comes to the LS1 these days, James.

Some combos suck others are good.

Just like you have Stangers that order an Edlebrock Head/cam/intake package and call it a day you have the same people in the LS1 crowd.

But believe it or not there are some LS1ers that actually think about what their combo is going to be.

NDSP

07-18-2002, 10:55 AM

Sucking for LS1's is running 13's. Sucking for a 5.0 and 4.6 is 14's maybe 15's. That in itself is a huge difference. That is the point I am trying to make. LS1ers boast because their faster, but it required next to nothing to get there and in most cases it required nothing at all to be faster. And then they feel all proud about there accomplishment. There is nothing to be proud of in my book.

Its a moot point, you'll defend your side and I'll defend mine. We can agree to disagree.

Monsoon X

07-18-2002, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by NDSP
LS1ers boast because their faster, but it required next to nothing to get there and in most cases it required nothing at all to be faster. And then they feel all proud about there accomplishment. There is nothing to be proud of in my book.

Then why did you go with a big block. Seems like you're taking the easy route. :P

NDSP

07-18-2002, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by Monsoon X

Then why did you go with a big block. Seems like you're taking the easy route. :P

Quite the contrary, stock big block heads, which I have, suck the biggest suck ever. I went big block for one reason and one reason only. Stock blocks can handle 750hp. which is more than any other ford oem block. Thats it. I had originally started out with a JY twin turbo setup on a 5.0 if you remember back. Changed to a big block because it can handle more power. The most NA power you can get out of a BBF with stock(non CJ) heads is about 550, I am below that. My tranny is the heaviest, most power robbing tranny of any oem tranny out of detroit for passanger vehicles. It eats 25%. There is nothing easy about it.

There is another factor that you are leaving out. I want to race in a real heads up class, and not just test and tune or street race. I have to be able to make more hp, than a 5.0 block can handle. I can't afford R blocks. So that leaves me one choice, doesn't it.

AnotherRedHead

07-18-2002, 11:30 AM

There are 1, 2,3, 4 intakes for the ls1.....there are 1,2,3,4,5,6 different kinds of ls1 heads....shall I go on?

AL P

07-18-2002, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by NDSP
My tranny is the heaviest, most power robbing tranny of any oem tranny out of detroit for passanger vehicles. It eats 25%. There is nothing easy about it.

I don't believe this btw, I got a C6 in mine. It is 85 lbs. heavier than a C4. I have talked to the guys at Art Carr about how much hp it takes to turn the C6 and they say it negligible. Considering the time that my car went at Denton I think they are right. I just wish I had that 85 lbs. back!

Llama_Boy

07-18-2002, 11:32 AM

Originally posted by David Z28
I feel less adequate

:D

Monsoon X

07-18-2002, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by NDSP

Quite the contrary, stock big block heads, which I have, suck the biggest suck ever. I went big block for one reason and one reason only. Stock blocks can handle 750hp. which is more than any other ford oem block. Thats it. I had originally started out with a JY twin turbo setup on a 5.0 if you remember back. Changed to a big block because it can handle more power. The most NA power you can get out of a BBF with stock(non CJ) heads is about 550, I am below that. My tranny is the heaviest, most power robbing tranny of any oem tranny out of detroit for passanger vehicles. It eats 25%. There is nothing easy about it.

So basically you're saying your engine combo selection skills is novice at best? :) You sure you don't own a LS1? LOL

302_plus_a_few

07-18-2002, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by David Z28
That was 302paf's old arguement.Still is. A WS6 is stickering in the mid 30s now. That's total BS for what you get.

As far as feeling inadequate, you should. It's hard for people like NDSP, Al P, bsharer, dragradialstang, mike89lx, myself (and a few others I can't remember of the top of my head) to give any respect to someone that pays someone else to do all the work when we do all the work ourselves. To me there is no satisfaction in dropping a car off at a shop and $4000 later, have 100 more RWHP when I pick it up. To each his own I guess...

Monsoon X

07-18-2002, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by 302_plus_a_few

As far as feeling inadequate, you should. It's hard for people like NDSP, Al P, bsharer, dragradialstang, mike89lx, myself (and a few others I can't remember of the top of my head) to give any respect to someone that pays someone else to do all the work when we do all the work ourselves. To me there is no satisfaction in dropping a car off at a shop and $4000 later, have 100 more RWHP when I pick it up. To each his own I guess...

I can think of only two on this site that have done that. About the same amount of Mod owners who've dropped off their cars, picked it up and it was whistling.

David,Chris Jennings, Marsh, Me, Lane... most of the quick LS1s around here do our own work.

AnotherRedHead

07-18-2002, 01:49 PM

Right JC! You guys are building land rockets! hahaha

Monsoon X

07-18-2002, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by AnotherRedHead
Right JC! You guys are building land rockets! hahaha

What's your point?

Boss Hogg

07-18-2002, 01:58 PM

Originally posted by 302_plus_a_few
Still is. A WS6 is stickering in the mid 30s now. That's total BS for what you get.
I don't have a WS6.

Originally posted by 302_plus_a_few
As far as feeling inadequate, you should. It's hard for people like NDSP, Al P, bsharer, dragradialstang, mike89lx, myself (and a few others I can't remember of the top of my head) to give any respect to someone that pays someone else to do all the work when we do all the work ourselves. To me there is no satisfaction in dropping a car off at a shop and $4000 later, have 100 more RWHP when I pick it up. To each his own I guess...
Again, what's your point? I've done all of my own work except for the clutch because no one makes a good clutch. So if the part was defective, I didn't want to have to pay for it. It was cheap insurance. Even Al has his engine put together because it was also cheap insurance. If a part was defective, they wouldn't blame him for a bad install. Makes sense to me.

NDSP

07-18-2002, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by Monsoon X

So basically you're saying your engine combo selection skills is novice at best? :) You sure you don't own a LS1? LOL

Your really not having a clue are you? If, according to you, I have novice skill at engine combo selection, and I am a second faster than you or any other of your LS1 bretheran, what does that make you. My combo cost one third at least of what yours did, and it is allot faster. Your saying I don't know how to select an engine combo. You are very lost, but then again your times show that, now don't they.:p

Monsoon X

07-18-2002, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by NDSP

Your really not having a clue are you? If, according to you, I have novice skill at engine combo selection, and I am a second faster than you or any other of your LS1 bretheran, what does that make you.It makes me taking the hard respected way while you take the easy BBF way

but then again your times show that, now don't they.:p

My times show nothing because I have none. But I'll tell you this. I'm about to hop in my car and go home. Do you want me to call U-haul to come pick your car up and let you ride in it, on the back of their trailor? :p

Cmarsh93z

07-18-2002, 03:41 PM

Come on guys, NDSP is living proof you cant just buy a big block and go fast! Fo reals!

Boss Hogg

07-18-2002, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by NDSP
Your really not having a clue are you? If, according to you, I have novice skill at engine combo selection, and I am a second faster than you or any other of your LS1 bretheran, what does that make you. My combo cost one third at least of what yours did, and it is allot faster. Your saying I don't know how to select an engine combo. You are very lost, but then again your times show that, now don't they.:p
You ET a second faster, but your mph is only 96mph. So, your built big block with nitrous is only 5 more mph than my NA cammed only LS1. The motor YOU built doesn't make any HP. What does that say about your motor building ability? :confused:

<marquee>Attn KMart Shoppers: 96 mph from a Big Block with Nitrous is Not Impressive!</marquee>

Vitriol

07-18-2002, 04:03 PM

Rain Man gettin' nasty!

AL P

07-18-2002, 04:42 PM

I'm not getting in on this one topic AGAIN.

I will say that the my junk was assmebled by someone for two reasons....first of all the block, crank and rods were already at KC's shop, second, for the $300 it cost I probably couldn't buy all the tools to put it together int he proper manner. $2,000 SVO blocks and plastigauge don't mix in my garage...know what I mean?

hotrodcobra

07-18-2002, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by David Z28

or milk the cow either, should I feel less adequate?

I resent that. I think..?..
Anyway, you are back on my gotta race list.:D

You guys are funny....:rolleyes: :( ;)

Boss Hogg

07-18-2002, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by hotrodcobra
I resent that. I think..?..
Anyway, you are back on my gotta race list.:D

Cool, I'm available for lunch anytime so we can race on GB. I'd like to see how I can do against a car that traps 121mph. Hopefully, you won't beat me too bad. :D

SNEAKY

07-18-2002, 05:43 PM

but the only one that i am impressed by is Lane's.his car is minor bolt ons,mostly suspinsion and it is quick and fast.
BTW nobody is my daddy.

TAMUz06

07-18-2002, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by Monsoon X
David,Chris Jennings, Marsh, Me, Lane... most of the quick LS1s around here do our own work.

F you too! :mad:

bert89coupe

07-18-2002, 11:15 PM

chris johnson- where do you work now?? or if anybody else knows yall can answer too.

z0sense

07-19-2002, 01:28 AM

First, I ran 12's completely stock. I bought my car, took it to the track, and busted a twelve.

Second, Going 9's in an LS1 is an accomplishment....everything else is easy, but who's fault is that?

Third, The reason I don't just jack my car up and throw a clutch in myself is simple......I can't get a jack underneath it........a lift just makes it more convenient! So I HAVE to take my car to the shop to get worked on!

Fourth, I worked on my old cars all the time........fuel injection throws me off some, but for the most part.....it is not that I can't work on my car.....it is that I don't want to! I am going to put my own clutch in because I have several close friends with shops that will let me use a lift (most people aren't this fortunate)!

Fifth, Since when was a 6.83 a "mid 6".......if that is the case I will have a "mid 6" in just a couple more days! Once I install my clutch it is on like donky kong! NDSP also has the list with my name on it that says what I have and says what I have ran! For the record I trap the 1/8 @ 102 - 103 and I am a stock car with a 120 shot!

Of coarse I have an LS6 so I assume that I do not count in this argument. However, anytime I can plug my times I will
:D

Yes I paid 40,000 for my car, but when I am done I will get most of it back. Hell in 3yrs my pay off is 20,000 and the car will be worth 30's. 10,000 paid for driving a new Corvette for 3 years is nothing......the whole time it will have been warrantied. Plus I will have all my parts still..............can't go wrong with that!

BTW,
Say I keep my car......and in 4 years when it is paid off......it will run the same times, or even faster! What will be everyones excuse then? 1990's mustangs and such are over 10 years old and most still don't run what mine do stock. So everyone needs to come up with a better excuse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

z0sense

07-19-2002, 01:42 AM

Also for the record........

To me it seems that older cars are just easier to work on......parts are more readily available, and people just have more knowledge about them.

Because our motors (ls1/6) are a kind of new technology for some.........it requires more time and more knowledge to get the right combo!

NDSP is talking about why he had to choose his combo, but how did he know to do this........it was already known what the limits were.

It is only fair to compare between vehicles of the same manufactirer IMHO. Because ls1/6 people have limited mods available it makes it more difficult to be faster then the next ls1/6 guy. Kind of like NHRA "stock eliminator"<------the most competitive class IMHO!

Just because we start faster, doesn't make us gods....it just gives you guys something to cheer about when you beat us
:D Remember though, I personally am looking to go faster then other guys like me....I could care less if I beat a mustang....where's the fun in that?

BTW,
NDSP....I will race you anywhere, anytime, any track! I love to race - street, track, highway, etc......makes no difference to me! Remember I can drive my car anywhere....with the radio on and the A/C blowin'.......... :D

Monsoon X

07-19-2002, 08:10 AM

TAMU ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!

Saleen85

07-19-2002, 10:51 AM

Let's just do a ricer race, standing mile .... Kinda like the slow and the curious ... I bet we can get up to 170mph w/ two BIG bottles of nitrous, and a 100 shot ...

I turned my stang from a 12.7-12.9 car to a 14.0 car, by grenading the 4.10's and installing 2.73's ... Now I can get beat by a tuned GTP ... not even modified, just tuned ...

No real relavence to said topic ... I think y'all are bitching for no reason ... Some don't want to race on the street, personally, I am tired of getting street racing tickets.

Nitrous Express had their LS1 at Prairie Hill for competition, and grenaded the motor, I think they were running a dual stage setup, on a stock bottom end.

I congratulate whoever built that 10-sec LS1, they did it right, didnt just slap on a dual stage wet kit with 350hp total nitrous on a stock internal motor with stock fuel system. So somebody paid to get their car modified, who cares, if I had the money to send my car somewhere to have the work done, with a warranty on the work, I would damn sure do it, but as it is, I can barely afford to get the parts I want, so I make damn sure I know how to install it before I buy it.

I'd give my left nut to own an LS1/6 without the car payment :D But it's cheaper for me to get a fox body 5.0, and smarter to get one with a carb. I don't have to pay anyone to work on it. So what if Ford circled the problem, it works for me .....

Rob

Anyways ...

SSmoked

07-19-2002, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by NDSP

I am ALLOT faster than you, and I did it with my combo, my work, and my dollar. I have something to be proud of, you don't.

go buy a civic and put it in the 10s, im sure you will be much prouder of your accomplishment than you are now :rolleyes:

i run a 12.1 with a bolt on car, better weather and its 11s...slap on an H/C pkg and match whatever shot you are running and guess what? Hello NDSP, is that you right beside? oh wait, whats done to YOUR car again? 2x the $$$ i spent being next to you :)

to each their own, i bought an ls1 over a mustang because of the "easy power" i guess you can call it...not my fault it was there, wait, yes it is, i chose that "Combo"

mike89lx

07-21-2002, 02:39 AM

How did this turn into Davidz28vs. NDSP flame war.??

Mike89lx,01 Cobra

Boss Hogg

07-21-2002, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by mike89lx
How did this turn into Davidz28vs. NDSP flame war.??
It's what usually happens when we both post in the same thread.

dragradialstang

07-22-2002, 07:27 AM

After reading this, I think I'm gonna buy a v6 stang they are harder to make fast. 6.50's with a 6pack! LOL! TT5 here I come!

dragradialstang

07-22-2002, 08:48 AM

And also there may be an ls1 running in the next tt5, And I think it may go fster that 6.70.

subliznime17

07-24-2002, 12:53 AM

guys my bro mike67stang used to race r/c cars with jordan musser he lives down the street from us and just baught a badass t trim for his camaro ohh soo fast hehe here some pics of his car and the t trim as big his head.... :D www.fastblackcar.com

NDSP

07-24-2002, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by David Z28

You ET a second faster, but your mph is only 96mph. So, your built big block with nitrous is only 5 more mph than my NA cammed only LS1. The motor YOU built doesn't make any HP. What does that say about your motor building ability? :confused:

<marquee>Attn KMart Shoppers: 96 mph from a Big Block with Nitrous is Not Impressive!</marquee>

You forgot how to read. Go check out the fastest list and then tell me what I trap at. And that is while eating a convertor. And the only people on the planet that give a fuck about trap speed are LS1 owners. I could care less if I trapped at 0 mph as long as the ET is there.

SSmoked, you will never run anywhere close to me. And I included the price on the car in my expenses. So you are slower and you spent more. Congratulations.