A M S

[The_Sheriff_]

I feel that AMS goes out of their way to provide horrible service.

First off, when I bought a cam kit from them, they told me to run stock retainers with the springs they gave me. I later found out they gave me 941s...which had already been installed. So, when I tell them what they did, they just started quoting prices on how much they could swap in some titanium retainers for.

Secondly, I payed for the Thunder Racing 224/224 .561 112lsa cam; I just found out the cam that was really given to me was a GTP 220 in a box with 224/224 written on it.

My experience has definitely been distasteful

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Now, after this happened I contacted AMS and they claimed they could swap me the cam (GTP 220) with a Thunder Racing 224. After about 1-2 weeks of looking through a box of cams, they told me they would have to order the cam, and it would take 4-5 working days, and they would call me when it comes in. About 2 weeks later, I call and they claim it hasn't come in, but should be in "any day". A week passed, so I called again, and they claim they have gotten a shipment of cams in, but they have to go through them, and they would call back that day. For the next week they claimed they would call back, not one phone call from AMS, ever. That figures because everytime they said they would call back, they would have to ask me for my phone number ( I probably gave it to them 15 times--- no joke!). Now, I call back today and they told me they can't swap cams now. They supposedly talked to Keith and he wouldn't allow good customer service. They told me he wouldn't allow them to order a new cam for me----so... they LIED TO ME. Turns out they never ordered the cam, gave me "runaround answers" and wasted my time. They didn't even have the decency to provide me with a replacement to compensate for their error. Like I said before, they go out of their way to provide horrible service.

This was all posted on LS1.com...which kept getting locked.

[whiteboy]

aint that a bitch

[Kaji]

Sucks for you buddy. I heard that you left out some details in this story.

[MidnightRunner]

That sucks, take a bat up there and bust some skulls

[Hurley]

Thats just not right.

[Denny]

Originally posted by Kaji98Z
Sucks for you buddy. I heard that you left out some details in this story.

Let's hear it!

[OvrKill]

shit if that happened all I can say is I wouldn't be happy :mad:

[Boss Hogg]

Everyone on this site already knows about AMS.

[Hurley]

Originally posted by Kaji98Z
Sucks for you buddy. I heard that you left out some details in this story.


There is always two side to a story. I'd like to hear AMS'.

[Boss Hogg]

Originally posted by Hurley
There is always two side to a story. I'd like to hear AMS'.
What about all the other 98489161654 bad stories about AMS? Sometimes, good mechanics are bad businessmen.

[The_Sheriff_]

I didnt leave out any information.

[Silver99LS1]

Originally posted by Kaji98Z
Sucks for you buddy. I heard that you left out some details in this story.

Of course they are going to make it sound like there is more to the story! I can vouch for him, as I am the one that did "The Sherrif's" cam swap back to stock after AMS installed his cam. They sold him a 224, and gave him a 220. They even admitted they made a mistake, and that the boxes got mixed up. HOWEVER, they REFUSE to do anything about it! What they are saying now is, "well, the 220 is a used cam now, and we aren't going to trade it back for the correct one that you bought." What kind of SHIT is this? They even made a post stating this! What ever happened to customer service? I tried to post my opinions on LS1.com, but of course, anytime you PROVE anything against a sponsor, they delete your post and ban you. :rolleyes: Big thumbs down to AMS and LS1.com.

[Boss Hogg]

Do you think AMS put in a used 220 cam instead of the brand new 224 cam that he paid for? :confused:

[The Big Matt]

sounds to me like there have been quite a few shops doing this.

Not just AMS.

I heard that MTI put a B1 cam when they were supposed to put in a T1...

[Silver99LS1]

Originally posted by David Z28
Do you think AMS put in a used 220 cam instead of the brand new 224 cam that he paid for? :confused:

I wouldn't doubt it in the least bit. Either way, he paid for one product, and recieved a different one. Everyone makes mistakes, but they could atleast do the right thing to clear their name by exchanging what they gave him with what he paid for.

[MidnightRunner]

Thats fucked up, any shop ripping people off like that

[Boss Hogg]

I wonder if AMS had a spare 220 on the shelf and said I have two decisions...

A. Buy a new 240 cam for $350 and sell it for $399 and make $49 in positive cash flow.

or

B. Slap in a used 220 cam that's just sitting here and make $399 in positive cash flow.

Most shops would choose Option A even though the consumer would probably never find out if Option B was choosen.

[Hurley]

The possibilities....

[SSmoked]

thats why...

[turbo93gt]

i could tell AMS stories all day. it all comes back to Keith. he keeps fucking people and people keep going back for more. i swear he gets more play then any other midget ive ever seen.

[92GreenMonster]

That fuckin sucks man, I can't believe they did that shit to you. That's a pretty big mistake too, and it sounds like they did it on purpose. I've only been screwed by a shop once, but it wasn't on anything near this big. I used to think that performance shops could be trusted... this type of shit gives them all a bad name.

[Cmarsh93z]

I took a stock cam...ground down the back 4 lobes. I then polished all the exhaust lobes, applyed a JB Weld/Plaster-of-Paris mix onto the intake lobes, and profiled it like GTP 220 cam. I then took a rusty nail, and scribed 220 on the cam....while placing it in a 224 box!!! WAIT WAIT WAIT...the story gets better. I gave the boy some larger valvesprings, and told him the stock retainers would be OK :rolleyes: Using the wrong retainers with this Jb weld cam lets it idle better, plus it gets rid of that off idle stumble!!!!! Aint life grand!

DaCamgrinder

[Y2K_WS6_T/A]

Dammit I came to read this site to avoid swimming through all the AMS Sob Stories on LS1.com. :mad:

[BottlefedZ]

I'll post this on for everyone thats ever done business with them




FUCK AMS

And yes I have a valid reasons for this statement

[Arch_Koven_]

A suggestion to anyone and everyone who has had problems with AMS.....

If you are having problems with AMS, I suggest you contact the Better Business Bureau at http://www.bbb.org/subpages/drsubpg.asp and have them look into this....I think it would do people a lot of good to contact the Better Business Bureau and having them look into AMS....just a suggestion for those with problems

This is the only way one can deal with someone who provides TERRIBLE customer service like AMS

[Grant]

Yep, BBB is definitely the right way to go!

[The_Sheriff_]

Bottlefed....I should have taken your advice in the beginning and not have gone to AMS....I should have just bought that NOS kit instead of the cam :-) Do you not work at USA anymore?

[Cmarsh93z]

FUCK AMS!!!!!!!

I took my 93 Z there back in 98, and it hasn't ran since!!!!! Those bastards.....my car is a shell. I just dropped it off to have the alignment check, and next thing I know....they sold my leather shift knob, and Camaro Power keychain :( I demanded it back, but Keith punched me.....and then he sold my stock motor...and tryed to reinstall a 2.3T with a Twisted Wedge head. I noticed something was fishy when the motor mount bolts had new washers on them. The gig was up!!! They promised to install a new motor in 1 day, so I left....awaiting a call. 6 months go by.....no call. Meanwhile....Elizabeth has my kid. While at the hospital, I find out that my car was converted into a stock Z06(AKA, RACECAR DESTROYER!!!) and sold to a short dude. I still have no car, and no money. Mommy bought me an SS in the meantime, so I can blow it up and have something to talk about for the next 2 years. AMS said they will call me once they find me another Z28....possibly a Green Grey 93 with a 355 , Raised Runner AFR heads, Turbo People solid roller , jesel rockers, 1 3/4 321ss headers, Precision 4-bolt T-88, 6spd, 3.15 gears, full coilovers, brembo brakes, yada yada yada. I hope they find one!

Bitchs!

[Last_Of_The_Breed]

Originally posted by Cmarsh93z
FUCK AMS!!!!!!!

I took my 93 Z there back in 98, and it hasn't ran since!!!!! Those bastards.....my car is a shell. I just dropped it off to have the alignment check, and next thing I know....they sold my leather shift knob, and Camaro Power keychain :( I demanded it back, but Keith punched me.....and then he sold my stock motor...and tryed to reinstall a 2.3T with a Twisted Wedge head. I noticed something was fishy when the motor mount bolts had new washers on them. The gig was up!!! They promised to install a new motor in 1 day, so I left....awaiting a call. 6 months go by.....no call. Meanwhile....Elizabeth has my kid. While at the hospital, I find out that my car was converted into a stock Z06(AKA, RACECAR DESTROYER!!!) and sold to a short dude. I still have no car, and no money. Mommy bought me an SS in the meantime, so I can blow it up and have something to talk about for the next 2 years. AMS said they will call me once they find me another Z28....possibly a Green Grey 93 with a 355 , Raised Runner AFR heads, Turbo People solid roller , jesel rockers, 1 3/4 321ss headers, Precision 4-bolt T-88, 6spd, 3.15 gears, full coilovers, brembo brakes, yada yada yada. I hope they find one!

Bitchs!


BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAA... ain't that a bitch!! :eek: ;)

[STANGGT40]

LMAO! :D

Originally posted by Cmarsh93z
FUCK AMS!!!!!!!

I took my 93 Z there back in 98, and it hasn't ran since!!!!! Those bastards.....my car is a shell. I just dropped it off to have the alignment check, and next thing I know....they sold my leather shift knob, and Camaro Power keychain :( I demanded it back, but Keith punched me.....and then he sold my stock motor...and tryed to reinstall a 2.3T with a Twisted Wedge head. I noticed something was fishy when the motor mount bolts had new washers on them. The gig was up!!! They promised to install a new motor in 1 day, so I left....awaiting a call. 6 months go by.....no call. Meanwhile....Elizabeth has my kid. While at the hospital, I find out that my car was converted into a stock Z06(AKA, RACECAR DESTROYER!!!) and sold to a short dude. I still have no car, and no money. Mommy bought me an SS in the meantime, so I can blow it up and have something to talk about for the next 2 years. AMS said they will call me once they find me another Z28....possibly a Green Grey 93 with a 355 , Raised Runner AFR heads, Turbo People solid roller , jesel rockers, 1 3/4 321ss headers, Precision 4-bolt T-88, 6spd, 3.15 gears, full coilovers, brembo brakes, yada yada yada. I hope they find one!

Bitchs!

[LT12NV-420]

Originally posted by Cmarsh93z
FUCK AMS!!!!!!!

I took my 93 Z there back in 98, and it hasn't ran since!!!!! Those bastards.....my car is a shell. I just dropped it off to have the alignment check, and next thing I know....they sold my leather shift knob, and Camaro Power keychain :( I demanded it back, but Keith punched me.....and then he sold my stock motor...and tryed to reinstall a 2.3T with a Twisted Wedge head. I noticed something was fishy when the motor mount bolts had new washers on them. The gig was up!!! They promised to install a new motor in 1 day, so I left....awaiting a call. 6 months go by.....no call. Meanwhile....Elizabeth has my kid. While at the hospital, I find out that my car was converted into a stock Z06(AKA, RACECAR DESTROYER!!!) and sold to a short dude. I still have no car, and no money. Mommy bought me an SS in the meantime, so I can blow it up and have something to talk about for the next 2 years. AMS said they will call me once they find me another Z28....possibly a Green Grey 93 with a 355 , Raised Runner AFR heads, Turbo People solid roller , jesel rockers, 1 3/4 321ss headers, Precision 4-bolt T-88, 6spd, 3.15 gears, full coilovers, brembo brakes, yada yada yada. I hope they find one!

Bitchs!





http://www.manifestation.org/~ill/images/funny/whut.jpg

[Arch_Koven_]

AMS gets ass fucked 5 times a week....

Cmarsh93z - Report AMS to the Better Business Bureau (link is listed above)

These guys are so fuckin terrible...they need to be shut down...seriously

[Hurley]

Wow Chris, I had no idea......

[STANGGT40]

Originally posted by Arch_Koven_
AMS gets ass fucked 5 times a week....

Cmarsh93z - Report AMS to the Better Business Bureau (link is listed above)

These guys are so fuckin terrible...they need to be shut down...seriously

he works there. ;)

[BP]

Marsh: I heard you really had that magical crate engine from your 93Z in the 01' SS when Keith ran 10s in it. Then you put the same motor in Brad's car when he ran 10s and he traded it in. So now you don't have an engine for either the SS or your 93. Hell I bet you even had that thing in your multi colored ghetto coupe, you know the one you ripped the door off of:)

[Arch_Koven_]

Brandy - please copy/pate ur post from the ls1.com forum

[AL P]

Originally posted by Cmarsh93z
FUCK AMS!!!!!!!

I took my 93 Z there back in 98, and it hasn't ran since!!!!! Those bastards.....my car is a shell. I just dropped it off to have the alignment check, and next thing I know....they sold my leather shift knob, and Camaro Power keychain :( I demanded it back, but Keith punched me.....and then he sold my stock motor...and tryed to reinstall a 2.3T with a Twisted Wedge head. I noticed something was fishy when the motor mount bolts had new washers on them. The gig was up!!! They promised to install a new motor in 1 day, so I left....awaiting a call. 6 months go by.....no call. Meanwhile....Elizabeth has my kid. While at the hospital, I find out that my car was converted into a stock Z06(AKA, RACECAR DESTROYER!!!) and sold to a short dude. I still have no car, and no money. Mommy bought me an SS in the meantime, so I can blow it up and have something to talk about for the next 2 years. AMS said they will call me once they find me another Z28....possibly a Green Grey 93 with a 355 , Raised Runner AFR heads, Turbo People solid roller , jesel rockers, 1 3/4 321ss headers, Precision 4-bolt T-88, 6spd, 3.15 gears, full coilovers, brembo brakes, yada yada yada. I hope they find one!

Bitchs!

WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH YOU BEING A DUMB FAT FUCK?

[Last_Of_The_Breed]

Originally posted by Brandy
Marsh: I heard you really had that magical crate engine from your 93Z in the 01' SS when Keith ran 10s in it. Then you put the same motor in Brad's car when he ran 10s and he traded it in. So now you don't have an engine for either the SS or your 93. Hell I bet you even had that thing in your multi colored ghetto coupe, you know the one you ripped the door off of:)

Hmm... i wonder what's in that greenish color Z of his then... something sure as hell is. :confused:

[Hurley]

Originally posted by AL P


WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH YOU BEING A DUMB FAT FUCK?


LOL!!!!!

[DON SVO]

Originally posted by Cmarsh93z
[b]FUCK AMS!!!!!!!...and tryed to reinstall a 2.3T with a Twisted Wedge head.

uhhh, can i have that if you dont need it anymore???? ;)

[Arch_Koven_]

ttt

[FatassLX]

http://paradox.shacknet.nu/dave88lx/insults/threadsucks.gif

[Hurley]

.

[93coupe]

Inform the BBB, and be sure to send them this thread and CMarsh93Z's responses and inform them that he is an employee.

[STANGGT40]

Originally posted by Hurley
.

LMAO!!! where did you get that? lol i'm wiping tears from my eyes over here. lol :D

[z0sense]

Originally posted by Arch_Koven_
AMS gets ass fucked 5 times a week....

Cmarsh93z - Report AMS to the Better Business Bureau (link is listed above)

These guys are so fuckin terrible...they need to be shut down...seriously

It is just funny this guy believed Chris....

What is even better is that he is right.........

I am the infamous short dude that bought the z28-06 conversion (AKA. Racecar Destroyer)

I am loving it, and all at Chris' expense. What I need now is a T-88 so I can be an Al P destroyer.....off bottle!

Who wants some of the AMS z28-06 conversion....seems to me that no one here can handle it yet, other then an ole' supra (off bottle of coarse)

[BP]

Copied as requested:

Well I had a long post typed up on the other one, went to post and BAM it's locked.

Long story short my turbo kit was missing $2,000 worth of parts. Racegate, blow off valve, superfueler, auxillary fuel system, catalytic converter and boost controller. I paid more than the $4500 I could have bought if from turbotechnology for. It took 6 months to show up, when it did come in Rhonda screamed at me and hung up then never answered the phone again. I had to make arrangements with Chris to pick it up on a Saturday. I still haven't received a receipt either, even though I asked atleast 4 times for one.

was an excellent customer and supporter of theirs up until this, having spent nearly $12,000 there in 2 years. I am in utter amazement that they are still in business after 10 years.

thread in question (http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=120305&perpage=15&pagenumber=1)

[BP]

Originally posted by Last_Of_The_Breed


Hmm... i wonder what's in that greenish color Z of his then... something sure as hell is. :confused:

Looks like a LT1 with a motorplate and some big AFR heads. I hope he has better luck getting headers made then I did.

[Last_Of_The_Breed]

Last time I was in there it had headers on it too....

[WhtEdge]

Chris, can you honestly answer the question of why AMS sold and installed the incorrect cam and will not stand behind it??? So far you seem to be avoiding answering that. It is simple. Was the wrong cam installed in his car or not? If so, why won't AMS take care of it? Pretty bad business practice it AMS did screw up.

[Arch_Koven_]

I was out there with him when Keith said there wasnt anything they could do because it was OUR responsibility...
first of all....how did a GTP 220 cam get in a box that should have a Thunder racing 224 cam in it?? They arent even the same brand!! This sounds like some dirty business to me!!!

Elizabeth told us that if she got a used 224, shed call, and we could swap it out, but YEAH RIGHT...we all know how good AMS is about returning phone calls

THAT PLACE SUCKS...if youre thinking about getting your car modded, avoid AMS at all costs

[turbo93gt]

Elizabeth is hot!:D seriously hot!;)

[Arch_Koven_]

she may be hot, but it does not provide an excuse for the Jay-Vee performance shop Keith is running

[turbo93gt]

Elizabeth has always been nice to me. hell even the head AMS cam grinder (LOL Chris!) and i get along. i try to stay away from Keith. hes a dangerous man. you say the wrong thing around him and he'll kick you in the ankle. :eek: :D

[z0sense]

Originally posted by WhtEdge
Chris, can you honestly answer the question of why AMS sold and installed the incorrect cam and will not stand behind it??? So far you seem to be avoiding answering that. It is simple. Was the wrong cam installed in his car or not? If so, why won't AMS take care of it? Pretty bad business practice it AMS did screw up.

AMS has responded to this guy on LS1.com......

for the record I am not taking sides, but Chris is not responsible for AMS......Rhonda, Keith, and Elizabeth are.

Since AMS did not install the cam, Ams did not remove the cam......who knows what was in there.

This guy wants a replacement for a the cam he bought 6 months ago. If I am not mistaken you need to verify what goes in your motor before you put it in. Hell, if you were handded the cam all you had to do was open the box and look at the end of the cam.

Who's mistake was that. As spilk mentioned.,.......

You are researching the parts after you had them installed and they fucked up? Get a life dude.....it seems you are a little late on the profiling.

I might also add that AMS did say they would get you a used cam when it came in. However, you know they won't call because they will not get a used cam........................

BTW,
Who the fuck in their right mind....after all that was said.......try to get the same shop that "fucked up" to reinstall a new cam. Are you outta your ghord? Come on man.....everytime I read a new post it seems that your story holds less relevance. Go get a new cam go to a new shop and then have it installed and post up dyno results! Hell why would you take the cam out to begin with? All you had to do was replace the retainers! And you said "money is not an issue" if you replaced the springs you should have just fixed the prob and been done with it.

Does anyone else see something fishy here?

[Arch_Koven_]

This is not the only time AMS has shit the bed..... everyone I know who has had work done there has been dissatisfied... this thread is NOT one isolated incident, it is a string of incidents that shows what a B-team performance shop they are!

Go to the LS1 post and look at how many otherpeople were fucked over by AMS

[WhtEdge]

Originally posted by z0sense


AMS has responded to this guy on LS1.com......

for the record I am not taking sides, but Chris is not responsible for AMS......Rhonda, Keith, and Elizabeth are.

Since AMS did not install the cam, Ams did not remove the cam......who knows what was in there.

This guy wants a replacement for a the cam he bought 6 months ago. If I am not mistaken you need to verify what goes in your motor before you put it in. Hell, if you were handded the cam all you had to do was open the box and look at the end of the cam.

Who's mistake was that. As spilk mentioned.,.......

You are researching the parts after you had them installed and they fucked up? Get a life dude.....it seems you are a little late on the profiling.

I might also add that AMS did say they would get you a used cam when it came in. However, you know they won't call because they will not get a used cam........................

BTW,
Who the fuck in their right mind....after all that was said.......try to get the same shop that "fucked up" to reinstall a new cam. Are you outta your ghord? Come on man.....everytime I read a new post it seems that your story holds less relevance. Go get a new cam go to a new shop and then have it installed and post up dyno results! Hell why would you take the cam out to begin with? All you had to do was replace the retainers! And you said "money is not an issue" if you replaced the springs you should have just fixed the prob and been done with it.

Does anyone else see something fishy here?

I know Chris is not responsible. Just thought maybe he knew what was going on since he worked there. Oh well, sounds like the situation sucks for some.


<------- glad I do "ALL" my own work to avoid the BS. ;)

[Last_Of_The_Breed]

Money was always an issue... the fellow said straight up that he couldn't afford retainers when he bought the springs and cam... that's why he drove around on 941s with stock retainers even though he was warned STRONGLY by the installer.

Funny thing is I know the man who installed it the first time AND the man that installed the retainers later. The second man and I were actually discussing the situation when it happened. Sucks when someone else knows so much about the situation you're bitching about. ;)

[Arch_Koven_]

The problem is not with Kadin or Virgil, the problem is with AMS...

AMS said he could run the stock retainers....it was not till Kadin told him that he knew!!! After he found out, he got Virgil to put in the new retainers as soon as he could.

There is nothing wrong with Kadin or Virgil, they did their job well....the problem is with AMS

Now honestly, any performance shop should know that you shouldnt drive around on 941s w/ stock retainers!!

[Arch_Koven_]

ttt

[Teddy98Z28M6]

Originally posted by Brandy
Copied as requested:

Well I had a long post typed up on the other one, went to post and BAM it's locked.

Long story short my turbo kit was missing $2,000 worth of parts. Racegate, blow off valve, superfueler, auxillary fuel system, catalytic converter and boost controller. I paid more than the $4500 I could have bought if from turbotechnology for. It took 6 months to show up, when it did come in Rhonda screamed at me and hung up then never answered the phone again. I had to make arrangements with Chris to pick it up on a Saturday. I still haven't received a receipt either, even though I asked atleast 4 times for one.

was an excellent customer and supporter of theirs up until this, having spent nearly $12,000 there in 2 years. I am in utter amazement that they are still in business after 10 years.

thread in question (http://www.ls1.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=120305&perpage=15&pagenumber=1)

WOW, Sorry to hear.

[SVTVenom]

From what I've heard/read, this place BLOWS ASS!!!! :eek: :eek:

[Arch_Koven_]

Venom - U R right...never waste your time there....that is unless you feel like getting ripped off and/or cheated

[SVTVenom]

I talked to Arnie of Racingfreaks.net and he was telling me about the whole cam deal. I'd be beatin somebody's fucking head in and suing their asses. That is one of the worst things you could do to someone..............screw with their car.

[WhtEdge]

Just from what I have heard I would not take a car there. I am not sure how much is valid but there are enough bad things going around about them, true or not, that I will never go there unless they are proven to be good.

[bert89coupe]

yep us east texans know better than to go to AMS. one buddy got fucked good with his truck and another has suspesion to believe that they took his car out street racing over a weekend.:eek:

[turbo93gt]

Originally posted by bert89coupe
and another has suspesion to believe that they took his car out street racing over a weekend.:eek:

i seriously doubt that. non of the guys really give a crap about that kind of stuff. if they want to go out racing theyll take their own car. if they do want to run someone elses cars, their are enough customers w/ 600+hp cars who will let it happen. they dont need to take out someones car that doesnt want that happening.

[Arch_Koven_]

id believe that AMS fucked up his truck, but do u really think Keith has teh balls to take someone else's car street racing?

[turbo93gt]

about the time you say that Keith doesnt have the balls to do something, he will go and do it. thats the one thing i respect about him.

[bert89coupe]

just telling what i've heard. he brought the car out to the street races like 2weeks after getting it back. and someone asked him if he'd been out there before and he hadn't. and they said that they saw someone else in his car racing it. :confused: so who knows, he can't prove it if they did do it. he just has that little bit of info to believe that.

keith and them might not go to the races themselves but we were in ft.worth or just west of it and one of his friends was racing his black lx hatch with the turbo on it out there.

there is always that slight possibility.

[The_Sheriff_]

Last of the Breed ( Oil Man),

I did NOT tell AMS that I had a budget problem or that I couldn't afford retainers. On the phone they said they could sell me a cam kit that would include everything I needed for a stock LS1. On the phone, he priced it at 650. When I got there, Chris and Elizabeth handed me a box of springs and a cam. I asked if that was everything. They said, "Yes."...I even asked, "Will I need aftermarket retainers?"...Chris said, " No, they run with stock retainers and stock pushrods" ...the whole time he was hurrying the situation. The cam/springs actually wound up costing 699. I never once said anything about a budget issue. I was in the shop for a very short time. They act like I waste their time when I ask questions about a product I just paid 700 + dollars for. After I purchased the cam, I had Kadin install it. He recommended me to buy hardened pushrods (like 120 bucks), flush the clutch, and buy new plugs (which would cost atleast the price of retainers)...and I did!...Why would I do all this, and refuse to buy retainers which (if I would have known) would be much more critical? And why would I refuse if I knew that it would cost another 200-300 dollars to swap the retainers?

Oil Man, Kadin did say he "thought" the 941s didnt go with the stock retainers, but he managed to get them in. And I have two witnesses that can vouch for me...when I asked him, "Would it hurt it to run up the RPMs ?"....and He replied, "Don't race it through all the gears at first, but stabbing the throttle wont hurt". I am not here to blame Kadin though; he did his job.

Also, how am I to know it wasn't a 224? Cams look the same and 224 was handwritten on the box.

[Arch_Koven_]

Lets hope he doesnt street race customers cars

[turbo93gt]

Originally posted by bert89coupe
just telling what i've heard. he brought the car out to the street races like 2weeks after getting it back. and someone asked him if he'd been out there before and he hadn't. and they said that they saw someone else in his car racing it. :confused: so who knows, he can't prove it if they did do it. he just has that little bit of info to believe that.

keith and them might not go to the races themselves but we were in ft.worth or just west of it and one of his friends was racing his black lx hatch with the turbo on it out there.

there is always that slight possibility.

that was keiths turbo car. i assure you, if a customers car shows up at the street races, the customer knows and oks it.

[Arch_Koven_]

I dont know why youd respect a midgit

[Saladbar]

I do all my own work.... and avoid wheel alignments at all costs.

[z0sense]

Originally posted by The_Sheriff_

Also, how am I to know it wasn't a 224? Cams look the same
and 224 was handwritten on the box.

This is exactly what I am talking about you idiot.......everyone pay attention!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How would you know that it was a 220? You said yourself that it was etched on the end of the cam....that in itself means that it was there for you to see and you didn't bother checking.

In my opinion, contrary(sp?) to popular belief, I feel that in this case it is the responsibility of the customer to check the specs on the cam. If a shop sees a box with "224" written on it (which you admitted BTW). Then they have no reason to open it. The first thing I do and all the other 98721521423 people on here do when they get a cam is, what? Open the fucking box and get the cam card! Or atleast check the specs.......this is all your fault dude!

Also why would you get a cam installed in the first place? What made you go with the 224? Why did you get new springs? I have a hard time believeing that you would be so careless as to just jump into somethin like this and not ask any questions! However, if you were to be this careless then you have learned a valuable lesson.....always verify you are getting what you paid for!

To top it all off................why would you go back and buy more stuff from them. Get real dude! I know now that this guy is hiding something you can tell by the tone in his writing and the way he contradicts himself.

If anyone believes this yuppie you all obviously cannot see between the lines!

[z0sense]

Originally posted by Saladbar
I do all my own work.... and avoid wheel alignments at all costs.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

['02 Formula]

Originally posted by turbo93gt


i seriously doubt that. non of the guys really give a crap about that kind of stuff. if they want to go out racing theyll take their own car. if they do want to run someone elses cars, their are enough customers w/ 600+hp cars who will let it happen. they dont need to take out someones car that doesnt want that happening.

Actually it is funny you think that because earlier this year they took out a Lightning and a guy named Javier's green ram air car both on bottle and filled them at USA Motorsports, and then they tore ass down the street. What do they do next you ask. They come back after 30 minutes and refill the same bottles and you say they weren't racing, because nitrous is used for everyday driving, RIGHT:rolleyes:

[Saladbar]

Maybe the cam wasn't etched w/ the "220" or "224" on the front of it. I know Chris "Silver99LS1" mic'd the cam and that's what it measured out to be... The 220 I mean... Uh.. Hmm..

I like marsh's method, tho' I use strapping tape instead of duct tape.

And a little rubber cement never hurts either.

[Arch_Koven_]

How would a GTP 220 cam get in the Thunder racing 224 box unless they intetionally switched it

['02 Formula]

Originally posted by turbo93gt


that was keiths turbo car. i assure you, if a customers car shows up at the street races, the customer knows and oks it.

Javier didn't ok shit. He was pissed and immediately yanked his car out of their shop.

[Saladbar]

Osmosis.....

Or... perhaps by the same means it sometimes sleets in the middle of summer in iceland.


Maybe it was an accident? You know.. Shit happens...

[z0sense]

Originally posted by Arch_Koven_
How would a GTP 220 cam get in the Thunder racing 224 box unless they intetionally switched it

How do you know that it is a GTP............?

I guess some product of God was with you all and you all just meraculiously knew...."wait a minute this is a GTP 220"!


As stated earlier how would you know........they look the same!

Go ahead and contradict this story some more I love it!

['02 Formula]

Originally posted by Saladbar
Osmosis.....

Or... perhaps by the same means it sometimes sleets in the middle of summer in iceland.


LMMFAO, that is fucking funny.

[The_Sheriff_]

First off...I didnt notice it was 220...Arnie did, who was uninstalling it. I never inspected the cam...how would I know what to look for? I am not a mechanic...and I am not going to go measure the specs of the cam.

WTF? You are saying it is my fault they sold me the wrong cam? Are you telling me Thunder Racing wrote that on the cam? They make "GTP" cams? Are you telling me AMS shouldn't inspect the products they sell...You astonish me!!!! Every company should know what they sell! It seems you are going out of your way to defend AMS. I bet you either work for them or are personal friends w/ them.

Btw, I did ask questions and felt the 224 was the way to go.

[Arch_Koven_]

z0sense gets ass fucked by keith 5 times a week

[Saladbar]

Actually.. I doubt both Thunder and GTP make either of their own cams. The CAD machines are $$$... Have you priced one of those babies lately? I was gonna buy one to replace a bolt.. But figured it was far easier and much more affordable to just use some zip ties.

Cam motion and/or lunati prolly grind the cams for those companies. I know for a fact lunati grind MTI's cams... Or it could be my cousin Hose B working off community service on the side of selling oranges.

[z0sense]

Okay, Okay......

As I said you need to check to see what you paid for. What if it were a ford cam?

Come on man be real....they saw the TR box handed it to you...and then you just left.

Let me tell you something for future reference....you should have checked the cam card or atleast the fucking specs...this is common since. How can a company stand behind something from 6 months ago.

I do not work for AMS I am friends with chris.....I buy my parts else where........with exception to a set of heads.

BTW,
I buy from whom ever is cheapest not from friends. The first thing you learn in business (and believe me I know because I have my own) You do not deal with friends.

[The_Sheriff_]

Z0sense...you have no idea what you are talking about!

Arnie took out the cam....he saw it said GTP 220, cuz he was asking me what I had...i said TR 224...he called me and told me...how is this confusing to you?

[Morter Forker]

Originally posted by Arch_Koven_
A suggestion to anyone and everyone who has had problems with AMS.....

If you are having problems with AMS, I suggest you contact the Better Business Bureau at http://www.bbb.org/subpages/drsubpg.asp and have them look into this....I think it would do people a lot of good to contact the Better Business Bureau and having them look into AMS....just a suggestion for those with problems

This is the only way one can deal with someone who provides TERRIBLE customer service like AMS

I was just about to suggest this.

[The_Sheriff_]

There was no cam card or specs w/ it. I wouldn't know what to look for when checking the specs.

[Kaji]

You guys need to just settle this off the board. You are wasting too much space!

[z0sense]

Originally posted by Arch_Koven_
z0sense gets ass fucked by keith 5 times a week

Looks like the only ones that got fucked are you 2 cum guzzling whores.

I cannot help that I have enough common sense to know to check the items I purchase. No matter what it cost or takes!

Go get a job, go make some money, then start buying parts, or since you seem to be ass partners with sheriff, you could have helped him out. You are retarded as he is. I would never let a friend get fucked.....no matter what!

But in any case,
If we have a problem how about you and a bunch of your buddies swing by AMS and come say that shit to my face. Or better yet tell me when and were to meet your punk ass so we can handle our differences!

[Saladbar]

yo B.. what up

[Morter Forker]

Originally posted by Saladbar
Actually.. I doubt both Thunder and GTP make either of their own cams. The CAD machines are $$$... Have you priced one of those babies lately? I was gonna buy one to replace a bolt.. But figured it was far easier and much more affordable to just use some zip ties.


ROFLMAO

[z0sense]

Originally posted by The_Sheriff_
Z0sense...you have no idea what you are talking about!

Arnie took out the cam....he saw it said GTP 220, cuz he was asking me what I had...i said TR 224...he called me and told me...how is this confusing to you?

If it were written on the cam then you don't need a cam card!

It is right there in front of your face what the cam is...hhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmm

B-B-B-B-B-But how do I know what kind of cam it is? How do I know what to do?

Let's see here......look at the fucking cam and see if it is written. If it is not, demand another cam or get something in writing, or better yet if all else is refused.....take your shit (money) and walk the fuck off! That simple! 20 speedshops in Dallas and you seem to be so tied to AMS. If you don't like the way you were treated speak up then (at the time of the incident)....,not six months down the road. I am sure this could have been handled in a more professional matter!

Get real!

[Arch_Koven_]

z0sense is a good name for u

[z0sense]

say it with me

z-oh-sense

But I am not surprised that you would say something like this......hell you let your friend a put cam in with stock retainers and aftermarket springs!

You must be the dildo in his ass......how come you have said more then him?

BTW,
Want to take me up on my offer....or are you going to back pedal some more?

[Cmarsh93z]

There is more drama and lies in this post than a room full of sluts. Honestly, I could care less what happens with all this shit...im going back to working on my 93 and rolling dat chocolate philly.

Peace

[Saladbar]

Darren.. FYI - the sherrif had AMS do the work.. Just told them what cam he wanted. It went in w/ a stock cam.. And came out with what_he_thought was a 224. Both obviously lope harder than stock so he wouldn't know the difference.

I doubt he ever saw the cam before it was installed... It's not like he bought the cam and took it home.. Then a couple weeks later paid to have it installed. I think he did it all in one quick swoop.


Yo Marsh.. "Puff puff give..."

[z0sense]

Originally posted by Saladbar
Darren.. FYI - the sherrif had AMS do the work.. Just told them what cam he wanted. It went in w/ a stock cam.. And came out with what_he_thought was a 224. Both obviously lope harder than stock so he wouldn't know the difference.

I doubt he ever saw the cam before it was installed... It's not like he bought the cam and took it home.. Then a couple weeks later paid to have it installed. I think he did it all in one quick swoop.

Marsh.. "Puff puff give..."

According to him he had it installed by someone else.............He said that he paid for the "cam kit" and then asked if he needed anything else, and then left!

Atleast that is what I gather:confused:

['02 Formula]

Originally posted by Cmarsh93z
There is more drama and lies in this post than a room full of sluts. Honestly, I could care less what happens with all this shit...im going back to working on my 93 and rolling dat chocolate philly.

Peace

I wasn't lying about the Lightning and Javier's Green Ram-Air, was I? So don't say shit about lying.

[z0sense]

Originally posted by '02 Formula


I wasn't lying about the Lightning and Javier's Green Ram-Air, was I? So don't say shit about lying.

I know that USA is right next to the dyno....so I would think that they would fill the bottle, dyno the car, and then when they were done dynoing.........they would refill the bottle!

Also Keith's good friend wolfe is right next door.

[Saladbar]

Originally posted by z0sense


According to him he had it installed by someone else.............He said that he paid for the "cam kit" and then asked if he needed anything else, and then left!

Atleast that is what I gather:confused:

Then if that's the case.. then me is :confused: too...

['02 Formula]

Originally posted by z0sense


I know that USA is right next to the dyno....so I would think that they would fill the bottle, dyno the car, and then when they were done dynoing.........they would refill the bottle!

Also Keith's good friend wolfe is right next door.

I am aware of Wolfe being right next door and the location of the dyno, and that thought crossed my mind when i first heard it.

That would seem viable, except the fact that two people including Javier's girlfriend saw them tear ass down Cooper. Also everyone in USA saw them walk both vehicles sideways on Pioneer as they left USA. Those are the facts and thats what i'm going on.

[Arch_Koven_]

AMS sucks a cock either way and no one who reads this should take their car to them

[z0sense]

Originally posted by '02 Formula


I am aware of Wolfe being right next door and the location of the dyno, and that thought crossed my mind when i first heard it.

That would seem viable, except the fact that two people including Javier's girlfriend saw them tear ass down Cooper. Also everyone in USA saw them walk both vehicles sideways on Pioneer as they left USA. Those are the facts and thats what i'm going on.

Hot rodding I can believe, but actually just cruising around racing would seem a little extreme.

But atleast we agree to some extent:)

[z0sense]

Originally posted by Saladbar


Then if that's the case.. then me is :confused: too...

AMS didn't put that cam in....as you can see they know they are full of shit!

[The_Sheriff_]

I bought it...said 224 on box. I haven't been into modding cars since this is my first LS1...Kadin asked me after he installed it...."which cam was this?" He didnt notice it. It figures you are from AMS...you come here and bash every logical post I make. What is clear is how rude you are, and you work for AMS???

I never opened the cam box from the time it went from AMS to Kadin's place. And yes, this could have been handled in a more proffesional manner...on AMS's part!

What do you not understand about: You sold me the wrong part, now fix the problem!

How was I so tied to AMS? You guys are the closest speed shop. I have not bought anything from you guys since the cam/springs deal. How is that being tied?

[XL]

quick question... why do you new guys use underscores to end your name?

[The_Sheriff_]

How does AMS not putting the cam in make me full of shit? AMS is the company who has lied about me, to me, and to many many others!

[The_Sheriff_]

Laced, this is one of my other internet screen names.

[XL]

Originally posted by The_Sheriff_
Laced, this is one of my other internet screen names.

That's amazing... so why does it have an underscore?

[The_Sheriff_]

The_Sheriff was taken...so I added the underscore

[XL]

Originally posted by The_Sheriff_
The_Sheriff was taken...so I added the underscore

What about your friend Arch? Same story?

[The_Sheriff_]

He chose that name because that is the name of his korean friend who is also the world champion in many RTS games.

[z0sense]

Originally posted by The_Sheriff_
I bought it...said 224 on box. I haven't been into modding cars since this is my first LS1...Kadin asked me after he installed it...."which cam was this?" He didnt notice it. It figures you are from AMS...you come here and bash every logical post I make. What is clear is how rude you are, and you work for AMS???

I never opened the cam box from the time it went from AMS to Kadin's place. And yes, this could have been handled in a more proffesional manner...on AMS's part!

What do you not understand about: You sold me the wrong part, now fix the problem!

How was I so tied to AMS? You guys are the closest speed shop. I have not bought anything from you guys since the cam/springs deal. How is that being tied?

Everyone knows that I do not work for AMS.........

They have a total of 6 employees:
Rhonda
Keith
Elizabeth
Chris
Nick
Cane

That's it................

The fact is you have no logical reasoning. You bought a cam, didn't check to make sure it was right. Installed it anyways by someone who apparently didn't use sense either. Then you and your buddy put the cam in with different springs, and use the stock retainers! Even if you did not know how to check specs......you obviously know how to use a keyboard, and in retro spec all you had to do was ask. There 5000 forums and 99.9% of people know that you should not use the stock retainers with aftermarket springs!

It is like changing oil.....would you reuse the same filter? You could technically, but since you are there you might as well change it! Better safe then sorry!

To make matters worse.....are you back using the stock cam? If so then this would indicate to me you didn't have the money to fix your little problem...Thus verifying Chris' claim of saying you were on a budget! Why didn't you have AMS install the cam to begin with?

If you were to do this I may feel for you, but you didn't....and now there are 3 people at fault.

When it boils down to it.....you should have checked the specs. Who buys a car without a test drive?

[The_Sheriff_]

There is actually a very good RTS player named The_Sheriff_...but it is coincidence that I use that name.

[bigcountry_5]

The bottom line is you cant trust anything AMS does. I can vouch for that. :mad:

[The_Sheriff_]

I payed someone to install it. You say Kadin doesnt have sense? Be sure to tell him that! Later I did get on forums and found out...even called Thunder Racing...they couldn't believe what you AMS told me. That is why I went to AMS: to fix the problem. This was shortly after the springs were in the car. AMS wouldn't in the least fix it.

Don't compare 30000 dollars to 700...obviously the first has a much greater importance.

I still have the GTP 220 (also known as "AMS TR 224"). You are telling me if I am running the stock cam that means that I have budget problems? Where is the logic in that. There are many reasons as to why someone might have the stock cam in....Emissions, warranty work, etc. Like I said earlier, If I had budget problems, why would have had Kadin flush the clutch, buy new plugs, and hardened pushrods, which weren't need...but recommended. Do you not think that I would have bought titanium retainers had I known I needed them?

[mike89lx]

Never dealt with AMS but after reading this entire thread it is trully sad to see some people want to resort to violence to prove a point. What is disturbing though is the lack of ANY willingness by AMS to try and solve this problem. I mean is $699 worth all this bad publicity??

Call one of the news stations! get Becky Oliver over their!

Mike89lx,01 Cobra

[LT12NV-420]

Originally posted by mike89lx
Never dealt with AMS but after reading this entire thread it is trully sad to see some people want to resort to violence to prove a point. What is disturbing though is the lack of ANY willingness by AMS to try and solve this problem. I mean is $699 worth all this bad publicity??

Call one of the news stations! get Becky Oliver over their!

Mike89lx,01 Cobra

I know! hard to believe isn't it?

Funny thing about it is, everytime someone posts a bad dealing with AMS, they always reply and make it look like it was the customers fault, rather than try to work somethign out like you said..:confused::confused:It's just a repeating trend..

Hard to believe they are still around really..

[LT12NV-420]

Originally posted by Cmarsh93z
There is more drama and lies in this post than a room full of sluts. Honestly, I could care less what happens with all this shit...im going back to working on my 93 and rolling dat chocolate philly.

Peace


Sounds like you are finally coming to grips with Keith Moore's lies and deciet..I'm sure you realize at least SOME of what's posted here is true..

[z0sense]

Originally posted by The_Sheriff_


Don't compare 30000 dollars to 700...obviously the first has a much greater importance.



Unless you do the cheaper part right you will fuck up the more expensive part!

As for the rest. I am not making claims as to AMS and their integrity. They can speak for themselves!

Brandy seems to have a valid complaint and no one says anything to her. It is just hard to believe that they would say keep the stock retainers.

Either way $700 wouldn't pay for my cam/springs/retainers, and AMS did say they would give him a 224 once one came in. It most likely won't, but you never know.

I was also saying that if you had the money why wouldn't you inquire about install from AMS....this would give you ground!

Whoever installed your cam may or may not have sense, but in this case it is as much their fault as it is Chris'. You say Chris told you to use the stock retainers and so did Kadlin(sp?).....if he was unsure he also should have checked. Because he did the install he should make good on it! In the same respect that if AMS did the install you would expect them to fix the problem. It is only fair to hold both parties with equal fault. What makes the installer innocent? If he was knowledgable enough to do the cam install then he should be willing to fix the mistake he made of installing it incorrectly, and for checking the specs. Just as AMS would have to do if they installed it.

Also you got what you paid for. What I mean is that you got a cam and springs as agreed upon! A simple mistake was made and could have been corrected had you not come back 6 months later. No shop in their right mind would even do this......any kind of business. They did say they will fix you up when they get the part you need. However, you can not get one today......everyone is on a waiting list no matter what shop you go to.

To sum things up...........if AMS is responsible for the cam (which it is partly your responsibility also)....then Kadlin is responsible for the retainers....that simple. Have him fix your retainers and install, and in time AMS will do the same.

When you were younger and your mom used to wake you up for school (just an example)......if you missed school because your mom didn't wake you up....it is still your fault because it is your responsibility to wake up on time!

In the same sense if you got a cam from AMS it is your responsibility to make sure it is correct. It is AMS' responsibility to make good if it is wrong. However, only in the time frame alotted (i.e. 30 days most places) and surely not after install, and most definately not after 6 months!

I really think that you have a hard time understanding responsibility. You cannot always pass off mistakes. As everyone has been told, sometimes you have to accept fault yourself. Kadlin is a factor too, don't forget!

BTW,
AMS already admitted it could have happened and said they would help when they can! WHat more do you want?

[AL P]

I think he wants the right cam....

[z0sense]

Originally posted by AL P
I think he wants the right cam....

How do they even know they gave him the wrong one? It has been 6 months. For all they know the other guy could have switched it.

Come on AL....would you buy a cam and not look at the specs, and then try to return it 6 months later because it was wrong? As a shop would you accept the cam, and order a new one for someone that post shit like this about you.

I might also add...that it really doesn't matter what kind of cam he got.....he is still slow and dynos Kah - Kah. (I have never seen the dyno.....but he is still slow because I said:D )

[AL P]

Actually yes I would...here is why.

He says he wants one cam, he gets another...aren't they all priced within reason of each other? why would he lie even after 6 months?

IMO the springs and retainers are another issue. Any hardcore gearhead will tell you to never take anyone's word for anything. I know I sure as hell don't...so he should have checked that out. his installer should have known that.

In the case of the cam though, you have to ask, if he had done everything the same but AMS had given him the RIGHT cam would he be OK...the answer is yes, he would. IMO then AMS should do something to rectify that because their original mistake started this in motion.

NOT TO MENTION....what are we talking about here...a couple hundred bucks at most? AMS gets the used cam he has back and sells it as a used part to someone for say $150...then gets him a new correct cam for $399....they are out of pocket $250 and he is happy. But if one person that has seen this thread doesn't take their car to AMS they could easily lose 3 or 4 times that amount in labor. It's just bad business to let something like this go on. Sure you can't please everyone but you are talking about $250, thats chump change in the overall scheme of things....Keith spends that in donuts every week for Chris....

[z0sense]

Since you put it that way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I guess you are right?

I really do think that he is partially at fault for not checking the cam, and then his friend that installed it didn't check either.

3 people touched it and no one saw that it was the wrong one. If I were a shop as a compromise I may just split the cost of the cam with him.

just my $1.50 (if you add up all the bullshit I've been spittin')

[dragradialstang]

My .02 Brandy is a guy.

[z0sense]

my bad

[dragradialstang]

LOL! He just acts like a girl!

[AL P]

That is kind of how I look at it....SURE he should have degreed it in and so should have his installer. But its a mostly stock car...I don't usually mess with that when putting a cam in a stock car....I am as guilty as anyone. And he should have checked the cam grind on the back of the cam to see if it is the right one...I always do.

BUT, you have to say....if AMS had given him the right cam to begin with and he HADN'T done all these things would he be OK right now....yes he would.

IMO they have the burden of responsibility to sell the correct product in the correct box. I don't know what is going on over there with that place but there is no reason for a box with a new cam in it to be opened up before it is sold unless someone is doing something they aren't supposed to be doing.

[z0sense]

True Dat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How about that smackdown contest!

I say we start a poll!:D

[Big Thumper]

Them damn cams. Da Grinder, is that why I never got my cam, you kept fucking up the lobes, experimenting?? :)
Or could it have been at the coaters this whole time??


Scott
State Farm Insurance Co.
Fradulent Claims Division
If you know someone that has enacted a "break-in" to collect insurance money, call me

[AL P]

Originally posted by Big Thumper


Scott
State Farm Insurance Co.
Fradulent Claims Division
If you know someone that has enacted a "break-in" to collect insurance money, call me

Wow this is getting good! Whats the number to the Arlington PD again?

[BP]

Chris is right, I have a penis.

Kane no longer is employed at AMS. Friday was his last day there. I have a nice story about this but it's his business and I'm not going to publically discuss it. Not sure if he went out on good terms or not.

Chris - dragradialstang - (the bald guy at Speedtek) is a former Arlington Motorsports employee and I'm sure has more stories than I can come up with but keeps them all to his self. I do know that he was one of the major players with Keith setting the true street record years ago, but is never mentioned.

There is another local shop:
New local shop, reputable even! (http://stop.at/dnb)
That Bob and Daniel started, both former AMS employees. They have several stories and usually have 3-4 cars from former AMS customers in there bays. Heck even some are LS1 guys!

[Arch_Koven_]

WHat it comes down to is AMS shit the bed.... and they dont care enough to fix it....they will lose a lot more business by everyone reading this than they would have if they would have simply given James what he deserved

[Cmarsh93z]

Brandy,

I don't know where you get your information but you have no idea what you are talking about. Kane did not leave here on bad terms and was very honest about why he needed to leave. And you are right - that is his business and it has nothing to do with you.

Chris did not leave on bad terms either. And I don't know what stories you are refering to. And if the truth be known, on Keith's True Street Mustang, Chris' job was to wire the car. And Keith gives him credit for what he did. So I don't know why you keep saying that Chris is the only reason that Keith's car ran so well. I don't remember Chris tuning the nitrous or the suspension. Keith and David did that. You run your mouth talking all kinds of shit and you have no clue how stupid you make yourself look.


AL P,

All of our cams are custom grinds. They come in a plain white box with magic marker on the outside saying what they are. They are not sealed boxes. Like I said, it is possible that the cam was in the wrong box, but we did not switch them. Yes, we should have checked all of them before they went out, but they had never been mismatched before either. And if James had come back within our timeframe I would have replaced the cam for the correct one, but he didn't. He never said anything until 6 months later. And he didn't come and say it to us. We became aware of it when he plastered it all over the message board.


And to James,

Even though I would love to tell you to get lost, I will call you when I get a 224 cam in. I told you that I would and I will.


One more thing....
Can someone please explain to me the "inner circle"? From the way you people talk on here you would think that AMS holds secret meetings and has induction ceremonies. Thats stupid. Every shop has a group of people that hang out there and come by all of the time. After talking to a person several times, you start to be friendly with them. Its like that everywhere, not just AMS. But no matter what we do there are some of you who will talk shit about it, so I just have learned to ignore most of it because these people don't have a clue as what they are talking about.


Elizabeth
-the "bitch" at AMS

[Last_Of_The_Breed]

Ah Liz... don't sweat this shit. These guys are out of control...

And I thought we had a meeting on Friday????? Did that get cancelled? ;)

Hell after all every part on my car was free right????

[AL P]

Originally posted by Cmarsh93z
AL P,

All of our cams are custom grinds. They come in a plain white box with magic marker on the outside saying what they are. They are not sealed boxes. Like I said, it is possible that the cam was in the wrong box, but we did not switch them. Yes, we should have checked all of them before they went out, but they had never been mismatched before either. And if James had come back within our timeframe I would have replaced the cam for the correct one, but he didn't. He never said anything until 6 months later. And he didn't come and say it to us. We became aware of it when he plastered it all over the message board.


Elizabeth
-the "bitch" at AMS

So no one checked anything? Not the people at AMS, not the guy who bought the cam...well then i'd say everyone is to blame on that one. Thats just a plain vanilla clusterfuck.

[bsharer]

I got the wrong part from Speedtek one time, and it was MY fault, and Speedtek went out of their way to make sure I got the correct part!!! They even had one of their greese monkeys bring it over to my house!!!

Talk about service!!! :D

[AL P]

Originally posted by bsharer
I got the wrong part from Speedtek one time, and it was MY fault, and Speedtek went out of their way to make sure I got the correct part!!! They even had one of their greese monkeys bring it over to my house!!!

Talk about service!!! :D

I heard you knocked him out with a rag soaked in ether and when he woke up his pants were unzipped.....

[The_Sheriff_]

Yeah, that is called GOOD CUSTOMER SERVICE. AMS knows nothing about this.

[bsharer]

Originally posted by AL P


I heard you knocked him out with a rag soaked in ether and when he woke up his pants were unzipped.....

Thats because you pushed me out of the way and tried to rape him! I just wanted his wallet!!!

[AnotherRedHead]

Ask that stupid fuck how much he started stuttering when I confronted his ass about his mouth when he was in the shop! I was like, why do you come here asking for help, when you bad mouthed us all over ls1.com.....

james: "uh, post, uhm, I didnt post my phone number, mmm"

ARH: "POST...you know, POST A MESSAGE, on the internet? You did do this right? ON ls1.com? Right?"

James: "dur, um, I guess"

ARH: "Yea, I thought so"

Boy, and here he goes, even after I told him once. Dude, I can't wait till you come back to get your new cam....homie :)

[turbo93gt]

if this thing comes down to a knock-down-drag-out, ive got $200 on Elizabeth.

[The_Sheriff_]

stuttering? wtf? You randomly start talking about my post on the internet when she is talking to me about their database w/ my phone number. She was talkign about posting my number...while you were talking about LS1...you interrupted, and made yourself look foolish!

Did you not understand that I wasn't talking to you? I was speaking to Elizabeth.

Your post shows your ignorance. I did go to AMS to work out the situation. Nothing was done! I then made a post 1-2 months ago!....then AMS claims they can order me a 224. They lied, didn't order me one....kept me waiting this whole time...and now I made another post in followup.

[Boss Hogg]

Originally posted by AnotherRedHead
Ask that stupid fuck how much he started stuttering when I confronted his ass about his mouth when he was in the shop! I was like, why do you come here asking for help, when you bad mouthed us all over ls1.com.....

james: "uh, post, uhm, I didnt post my phone number, mmm"

ARH: "POST...you know, POST A MESSAGE, on the internet? You did do this right? ON ls1.com? Right?"

James: "dur, um, I guess"

ARH: "Yea, I thought so"

Boy, and here he goes, even after I told him once. Dude, I can't wait till you come back to get your new cam....homie :)
Once again, great customer service. AMS sells him the wrong cam, so not only does he not get the cam he paid for, but now a AMS employee makes disguised threats.

[Hurley]

Originally posted by David Z28

Once again, great customer service. AMS sells him the wrong cam, so not only does he not get the cam he paid for, but now a AMS employee makes disguised threats.


Top notch!

[Cmarsh93z]

Ahhh fuck you. Fuck all of you. He fucked up....hes a bitch....and no matter what he says, he was trying to act stupid when I called his bitch ass out. Now mother fucker, you have talked to me directly.....

And this isnt about service anymore, that left the building when he posted something on the internet. Now its about whether or not he has the nutsac to come pick up his fucking cam....

Nick

[Cmarsh93z]

Hows your car? ;) Dont make us come over there again so I can tell you Im your daddy....

[Last_Of_The_Breed]

Bwahahahaha... looks like Nick is raging! ;)

[AMS]

ARH - go take your medicine and settle down!!! You are taking this way to personal.

By the way, he isn't making a threat against James. If you don't know Nick, he spouts off constantly :)

Clem - Brandy already said that he wouldn't box Keith. I don't know if he would box me??? I could take him though ;) We should have a boxing match one night. I bet that we could see some good action.

Elizabeth

[turbo93gt]

originally posted by Buzzard:"I could take him though."

thats what im banking on. :D

[Boss Hogg]

Originally posted by Cmarsh93z
Hows your car? ;) Dont make us come over there again so I can tell you Im your daddy....
Nick, are you talking to me? :confused: I am willing to race Mel's car anytime.

[The_Sheriff_]

There is no cam to pick up.

[TorchRedStang]

I too had to learn the hard way to do things myself

[Arch_Koven_]

Hopefully people will listen to our advice and no one will have to learn about AMS the hard way anymore

[BP]

When did I say I wouldn't box Keith? Please don't put words into my mouth. I'm not a professional boxer but I've been in a ring before and I can handle myself fairly well. However I see no reason to box the guy, it wouldn't accomplish anything. As Keith would say "He'd tip me over". I never challenged anyone’s manhood. Now if I see Clem in a boxing ring I'll do us both a favor and knock the crap out of him:) As far as boxing you, that's not going to happen. I can't hit a woman.

I also have no wishes to compete with Keith or anyone else from your shop at a track. Chris's car is obviously out of my league. Keith's car should be when it's done. Nelson's car is also way out of my league. I have a T76 on a 4 year old engine with about 600 passes on it. I don't see it going as fast as a fresh 355 with a T-88 or a Windsor with twins on it. No clue what the silver car has but I'm sure it's wilder than Marsh's stuff since it's a big budget car. I want to run 9s and that’s it.

I also never said Chris is the only reason the car ran so well. I'd have to be a total jackass to think that. In my opinion David Wolfe accounted for 99% of that cars performance. He can tune a nitrous engine to within inches of its life and he can make the chassis use every bit of the power. With Spetter’s help he can obviously get turbo cars to haul ass to. For some reason Doug's car also goes faster when David is around, wonder why? The man is gifted and anyone who gets his help is better for it.

I do have to give AMS some props. I learned a lot in my years as a customer. I had a car that ran 12.50s when I first walked in the door and talked to Joe. I asked about Sean Hobson's car and mentioned that I wanted to blow his doors off (he was known as promouth, maroon Z with Enkei's). Keith steered me in the right direction and less than a year later we knocked 2 seconds off of my car. I spent a crapload of cash getting there but the car hasn't changed much since then. I won lots of races and even a few paid pretty good. I whipped the snot out of every other car I raced on the street.

As a customer I was a very staunch supporter of AMS. I referred countless customers to your business, many of which ended up working there. I also have to think the giant banner on my car helped send you some business. I know where I told the 10-15 people that would always come up to me in the pits where to take their car. I also used to constantly defend you guys on the different websites, DFWstangs included.

What could possibly make me change my tune so easily? Try ordering a turbo kit and paying a nice deposit, then 3 months later pay the difference. Wait 3 more months before it comes in and when you call to arrange a delivery time someone screams at you and tells you that you are banned from the shop and hangs up on you. Then call back and get hung up on. Try the other line, hung up on. Call your friend that is an employee for the straight answer and get no reply.

Finally after several days of games get told that the un named person is demanding an apology before you can pickup your parts that are paid for (heard second hand from Joel since I could not call the shop without getting hung up on). I was lied to and mislead, there is no doubt about it. I did not and will not apologize for that. In fact I requested an apology for the over reaction by the party in question, which was partially given all be it weakly on a voicemail.

Luckily for me I am friends with Chris or I might still be waiting on my parts. As noted before he agreed to meet me up there on his day off to take delivery. When I picked it up it was missing several parts, already noted in a prior post. In total disgust, I am sure Chris can attest to the fact that I was not happy with what I received, I took what was there and went on my way. I assumed I could get the additional parts later when I picked up my receipt. To this date I have received neither and I have not set foot back in the building.

In summation I had several good experiences with AMS and I do owe them a lot of gratitude for helping me with my car. This is their business however and it should be expected of any paying customer. I got some good deals and a lot of free help but I returned the favor with referred customers. They obviously have problems, many of which are well documented on several websites. Obviously they also do more good than bad or they wouldn't be in business for their 11th year. All shops screw up and all businesses have unsatisfied customers. AMS has several very vocal unhappy customers. I will not refer anyone else to them but I also have never told anyone to not use them. I have preferred businesses that I deal with but I suggest people call around and deal with who they are the most comfortable with.

As far as I am concerned I have put in my 50 cents and I feel I made my point very clearly regarding why I am an unhappy customer. From this point on I am considering this all water under the bridge and I'm not going to bring it up anymore.

[BP]

In case Clem missed it, I'm calling you out punk:) First we can race my convertible against yours. I think my SS will smoke that girly machine you call a Miata. Then I can race your turbo car with my little turbo car. I think my Talon's turbo is about the same size as that T60 you have. We all know you can't drive so it should be easy. Now if on the off chance your turbo ford (assuming your mom lets you drive it) can outrun my 2 liters of thunder then I'll get off my ass and get the white car running. Then if your not humiliated enough we can get into a boxing ring:)

I'm putting alot on the line here. If you actually beat me at something I'll never live it down and I'll have to move to another state. I do have some land in Florida so I'd probably be there. I'm going to Orlando next week btw so we need to settle this either Saturday or you'll have to wait til next week.

[AL P]

I vote for the boxing ring......DING DING!!

[Big Thumper]

Brandy,

That brought a tear to my eye, the devotion, hard work, friendships, all down the drain over a turbo. :)


About the inner circle. Are you sure you don't mean "the loop." Keith has said, "if you piss off someone that's in the loop, then you are out of the loop, they won't work on your car." Brandy, you are out of the loop. Everyone in the loop knows this and will not help you with your car. In short, don't piss off the loop, or you'll be outta the loop.

Scott
Am I still in the loop :confused:

[AMS]

Brandy - I just wanted to try and clear something up. I did not make one dime on your kit. I was just the middle man with Job because Job did not want to take a credit card (or as Wolfe would say, "I had no dog in that fight!"). Job knew that you already had DFI and shipped you a race kit. So I don't know what all you thought that it was coming with. As for the reciept, I guess you could get one. But we did not even get a reciept form Job on it. You got that kit at our cost. Now for the timeframe, I know it took much longer than we originally thought, but I don't make the turbos and can't make them hurry their asses up. :) And yes it all boils down to that fact that I am not the most personable person. But by now, everyone knows this.

Scott - You have made several bold accusations on here in the last few days, so I haven't decided :)

[BP]

Originally posted by Big Thumper
Brandy,

That brought a tear to my eye, the devotion, hard work, friendships, all down the drain over a turbo. :)


Scott, you're just impressed that I can spell and I type in complete sentences. This seems to be a rarity on most of the auto enthusiast type websites. I want to have a poll on the worst spellers at DFW stangs. Taking suggestions on who to put in it.

[Boss Hogg]

Originally posted by David Z28

Nick, are you talking to me? :confused: I am willing to race Mel's car anytime.
And once again.............silence. :D

[Hurley]

Originally posted by Brandy

I want to have a poll on the worst spellers at DFW stangs. Taking suggestions on who to put in it.


Jeremy!

[turbo93gt]

Brandy, you know where to find me :) i will box you, but there are to be no bright lights, that glare off your forehead could blind me.

i dont know where you guys get this idea that i have a miata, i have a dodge. ill race whatever penis extension of yours you want me to.:p

as far as you and Elizabeth boxing. i still bet $200 shed put you on the floor.:eek: :D

[AMS]

Originally posted by turbo93gt
i dont know where you guys get this idea that i have a miata, i have a dodge.

The dodge is still kicking? ;)

[turbo93gt]

Originally posted by AMS


The dodge is still kicking? ;)

the trans finally went out in that one. it had over 300K miles on it. sold the car for $500. got another dodge for free.:D

im about to buy a 90 lx aod rag top w/ a 302 for a daily driver. itll be nice to have another fox body for transportation. i drove the gt to work this week. i didnt realize how much i missed driving it, even in the rain.;)

[BP]

Clem, I heard your mom is pregnant again. Congratulations on finally getting laid for free :)

[BP]

You should also tell her about this: http://www.roadsafety.com/Driver_Training.htm

Maybe she will let you drive your Mustang more if you install one. :)

[turbo93gt]

i imagine the threesomes at the Patton houshold are pretty interesting. doesnt your sister get jealous when you and your dad want to play alone?:p

nice sig BTW. you were 'into' little boys last time i saw you. i guess things change.:D

[32VfromHell]

Originally posted by AMS
:) And yes it all boils down to that fact that I am not the most personable person. But by now, everyone knows this.




As a neutral party, it does seem like you just admitted to giving less than par service to customers. Being friends with people who are your customers is fine....but bid`ness is bid`ness.You know, like the mafia! :) You got to keep the customer-retailer relationship, and leave emotions out of it. :)

[BP]

Originally posted by turbo93gt
i imagine the threesomes at the Patton houshold are pretty interesting. doesnt your sister get jealous when you and your dad want to play alone?:p

nice sig BTW. you were 'into' little boys last time i saw you. i guess things change.:D

Your the guy that valet parks cars for a living at the gay bar downtown. You still wear your daisy dukes when you need extra tips? I know you make mad bank on drag night. Those fruity bastards love to "RIDE" in your Miata, if you know what I mean.

[Erfan Z28]

I am sorry to hear of your misfortune, I cant stand companies that donot provide excellent customer service!!

[turbo93gt]

Originally posted by Brandy


Your the guy that valet parks cars for a living at the gay bar downtown. You still wear your daisy dukes when you need extra tips? I know you make mad bank on drag night. Those fruity bastards love to "RIDE" in your Miata, if you know what I mean.

then why are you the one with VIP privileges at The Village? :confused:

if you come down to Del Friscos sometime, ill valet that SS for you no charge. ill take really good care of it, honest.:D

[BP]

Whats the Village? Like Traders Village out in Grand Prairie?

[turbo93gt]

you know where The Village is. thats where you get all your pet gerbils. its not normal for them to die on a weekly basis. how are they getting suffocated?

i saw you driving your SS today going west on I20. the top was up, im guessing you didnt want to burn your head.

[mike89lx]

Again,
AMS seems unwilling to do anything to make the situation right. Now we have Cmarsh and ARH threating this guy if he comes back. GUILTY... in my book. Sounds dirty to me.

I hate reading stuff like this. Does AMS know that word of mouth is their bread and butter. Just so happens the internet is a new voice for everyone to talk about their experiences. Maybe if you ran your company RIGHT you would not have these problems.

:rolleyes:

Mike89lx,01 Cobra

[z0sense]

I think you are a little late dude. AMS said they would give him a cam when one came in.

Not to mention AMS' business is not based of forums, contrary to popular believe. If you did read the whole post then you would know that their business is fine. They have plenty of it and rarely do work on mustangs any more. Besides, I don't think they need more business right now. They will always have enough work to fill their time.

[BP]

Originally posted by turbo93gt
you know where The Village is. thats where you get all your pet gerbils. its not normal for them to die on a weekly basis. how are they getting suffocated?

i saw you driving your SS today going west on I20. the top was up, im guessing you didnt want to burn your head.

Should have waved, I would have shot you the finger:) I was on the way to Majestic, had to stock up for a party you weren't invited to:)

[turbo93gt]

Originally posted by Brandy


Should have waved, I would have shot you the finger:) I was on the way to Majestic, had to stock up for a party you weren't invited to:)

thats why i didnt see you at Joes tonight. you probably wouldnt have had a good time anyway. i mean, your like 40, im sure hanging out w/ 25 year olds isnt any fun to someone as close to retirement as you.:)

[BP]

You ever noticed that when you show up everyone decides it's time to leave?:)

[Boss Hogg]

Originally posted by z0sense
I think you are a little late dude. AMS said they would give him a cam when one came in.
Darrin, I've got a solid roller 422 being built that I'll sell to you for $1000 because I'm strapped for cash. Just give me the money now and I promise to give it to you when it comes in. Deal?

[turbo93gt]

Originally posted by Brandy
You ever noticed that when you show up everyone decides it's time to leave?:)

funny you say that. i showed up at 10 last night and everybody did leave, at 2:30 :p

you must be confusing me with yourself.

[talisman]

Well, I'll say this about AMS. I've done buisness with them twice. The first time I ordered an E303 cam from them. They got it a little later in the day than was expected and I had to work, but Elizabeth DELIVERED it to my work for me. That was impressive, and I was very happy. Second time I had them rebuild a posi unit for an 8.8 with extra clutches. Took about a day or 2 longer than expected, but the entire rear was out of the car and it was a slow project anyways so no big deal. The posi unit worked great. They do sometimes seem to move pretty slow on stuff, but I think its because they dont really 'stock' anything. I do know several people who have had problems with them, but that goes also for every other performance shop in this area, including Texas High and USA. I have done buisness with all three of these places. I do 99.9% of the work on my car myself, so I dont really have a use for the shops themselves unless its getting parts, and since finding this site and Corral a few years ago I usually get my parts used for much cheaper anyways. I have heard alot more complaints about AMS than any other shop in this area, but as far as personal expereinces, I would say that for ME, they went out of their way to help me out, and I appriciated that. Ah well, just my .02. Take it as you will. :)

[SLOW 77]

So Brandy did you know what parts where supposed to come in your "race kit"? I can't see how you would order a part and not know what comes with it...

Now I know why your car still isn't running, jeez I thought you had been drinking it up to much:D

[SSmoked]

Originally posted by z0sense
I think you are a little late dude. AMS said they would give him a cam when one came in.



a USED cam....now when was the last time you saw a performance shop "acquire" a USED cam??? thats what i dont understand...so in other words, its never gonna happen...thats all there is too it.

[AMS]

We have people ugrade stuff all the time... that how we get used parts...

[BP]

Originally posted by SLOW 77
So Brandy did you know what parts where supposed to come in your "race kit"? I can't see how you would order a part and not know what comes with it...

Now I know why your car still isn't running, jeez I thought you had been drinking it up to much:D

Well I assumed by the phrase "kit" that it would be a kit. The main parts missing are the blow off valve and the wastegate. I've since aquired a wastegate, $450 and I'm going to try and run without a blow off valve.

As noted I entrusted someone to order me a complete kit and obviously this is not what I received. I just can't see Job ripping me off like that, Turbopeople has a good reputation. I know they are expensive but you deal with the best and you expect to pay a little more. Everyone I know that orders parts from there gets them on time with no excuses.

[turbo93gt]

Originally posted by Brandy
and I'm going to try and run without a blow off valve.

Joe said you have a t76(or something close to that size), so i am assuming you are joking about running a compressor that large w/o a blow off.

[Monsoon X]

This is why I work on my own car. LOL

(I've always wanted to say that! )

[Big Thumper]

Joe said you have a t76(or something close to that size), so i am assuming you are joking about running a compressor that large w/o a blow off.


They ran JOb Jr's car with no BOV, Silva's car doesn't have one, Pande's car doesn't have one.....

Alot of the other turbo cars do have them, but none of the Turbo People cars do. Must be in the programming and that traction control stuff they had:) Since Brandy had someone else program his DFI, he'll probably have to get one.

Scott

[BP]

I don't think you really need one with an automatic, atleast thats what Turbotech told me.

[turbo93gt]

on a race car its one less thing to go wrong, and those guys are running a lot bigger compressors then Brandy. since Brandys car will be a street car it would be advisable to run a BOV. as far as Job's customer cars, one of his customers w/ a T76 on a Street mustang (the guys name is Dan, username TurboSN95) has one. so i wouldnt say "none of Turbo People's cars do." maybe they dont run them on the race cars, but like i said, Dan is one of Job's customers, has a T76 and runs a BOV on a street car w/ an automatic.;)

heres a link:
http://www.turbosn95.netfirms.com/stang.htm

[Big Thumper]

Just letting you and Joe know that not all turbo cars have to use a BOV..I don't plan to use one on my street car and it will have one of those "bigger" turbos on it.

So Clem, why do you advise Brandy to run a BOV, could you give some of the ins and outs of why you would advise him to do so??


Scott

[turbo93gt]

Joe has nothing to do with this. he is at work with Brandy, probably laughing his ass off and playing w/ Brandy ear.

reasons to run a BOV: 1. w/o one there is a very high load on the impeller, bearing and shaft when the throttle closes all the way under full boost. this is reason enough to want one. for a race car this is not going to happen a whole lot, and the unit will go in for periodic rebuilds anyway. on a street car the wear will be more pronounced. and will cause wear even faster. the BOV will make the turbo last longer.

2. heat. whenever the throttle closes under high boost w/o a bypass the air heat soakes everything. again, a race car gets pleanty of time to cool down. a street car however, this heat soaking can lead to not only degraded performance, but also detonation. like i said, for a race car its no big deal, but if he plans to go playing around on the street (which we all know he will) it would be a good thing. but im sure you know all this already Scott. after all, you are the BigThumper.

[Boss Hogg]

Originally posted by AMS
We have people ugrade stuff all the time... that how we get used parts, put them in a the new box, and sell people the wrong cam...
:eek:

[BP]

Clem, rest assured that my 95Z is basically a race car now. It has A/C and power steering for the time being but it's not going to be street driven anytime soon.