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5point0pony
07-30-2009, 01:33 PM
They might as well release the rest of them by now instead of a new story every other month
The biggest fear of major league players, and their union -- and, now, Red Sox fans -- has reawakened. "The list" -- the names of 104 players who tested positive for steroids in 2003 -- has again been compromised, this time with Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz outed as users.

According to the New York Times:
The information about Ramirez and Ortiz emerged through interviews with multiple lawyers and others connected to the pending litigation. The lawyers spoke anonymously because the testing information is under seal by a court order. The lawyers did not identify which drugs were detected.
Now people will ask if the 2004 and 2007 World Series titles are "tainted," which is ridiculous, because there's no proof either player used that year -- and no proof their opponents didn't.

But this means more star players have been outed as cheats.

Ramirez, now with the Dodgers, has already been tainted, of course, with this year's 50-game suspension for a violation of Major League Baseball's drug policy (he took a banned substance that masks performance-enhancing drugs). But Ortiz is another story.

Immensely popular in Boston for his clutch homers and large personality, Ortiz once said that those caught using PEDs should be suspended for a year.
Ortiz said that he believes players are clean because testing is quite invasive, and if they test positive now, they should be thrown out of the game for the rest of the year. He said that players and whole teams should be tested "three or four times a year, that's it" which he thinks would give a good reading on who is or who isn't on steroids.

"I think you clean up the game by the testing. I test you, you test positive, you're going to be out. Period," Ortiz said. "If I test positive using any kind of banned substance I'm going to disrespect the game, my family, my fans and everybody. And I don't want to face the situation so I won't use it. I'm sure everybody is on the same page."
Oops.

The lesson to learn, assuming the Times has good information, is that no matter how well you think you know a player, or no matter how loudly he protests, you can not tell whether he has the inner moral compass to avoid the temptation to cheat.
http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/07/30/former-red-sox-teammates-manny-ramirez-david-ortiz-reportedly-o/

mstng86
07-30-2009, 01:46 PM
Just hand out the whole list already. And be done with it.

Vertnut
07-30-2009, 01:48 PM
Just hand out the whole list already. And be done with it.

I honestly think they're afraid it will ruin baseball.

mstng86
07-30-2009, 01:58 PM
I honestly think they're afraid it will ruin baseball.

I think BASEBALL ruined baseball. I love the game, but it's not as entertaining as the more action oriented sports.

And the list isn't whats ruining the game either, its the damn players that are ruining the game with their bloated salaries and juiced up biceps, and the owners for charging the prices they do.

5point0pony
07-30-2009, 02:08 PM
I honestly think they're afraid it will ruin baseball.

At this point I just assume all the good players use steroids. Especially since Ortiz was the one talking big, essentially saying that users should be banned. He thought he would never be caught. It's a shame what has happened, but I don't think this would ruin baseball. I continue to watch the Rangers and go to games as I did before.

Vertnut
07-30-2009, 02:14 PM
At this point I just assume all the good players use steroids. Especially since Ortiz was the one talking big, essentially saying that users should be banned. He thought he would never be caught. It's a shame what has happened, but I don't think this would ruin baseball. I continue to watch the Rangers and go to games as I did before.

You take all the big hitters and stars out of the game, and it will look like the Cowboy's during the '87 football strike...and draw about the same number of folks.

slickwick
07-30-2009, 02:16 PM
At this point I just assume all the good players use steroids. Especially since Ortiz was the one talking big, essentially saying that users should be banned. He thought he would never be caught. It's a shame what has happened, but I don't think this would ruin baseball. I continue to watch the Rangers and go to games as I did before.

In that interview though, werent they reffering to players testin positive in the current year? This was 6 years ago! Every player that wanted to compete with the best was on them then. They HAD to be. It was the way the game was played then, so why should we shame them now. I dont think they should be compared to the best of all time, thats not fair at all. And i dont think they should be criticized for taking roids, they were just driven athletes that wanted to be the best at the time. NO ONE in their right minds would take them now, knowing they would be banned for life. Baseball needs to release the list of the players. Their should be NO re-prucussions for the players that took them in 03. Players that test positive from now on should be banned for life. Baseball will then have a clean slate, along with the players.

5point0pony
07-30-2009, 02:18 PM
You take all the big hitters and stars out of the game, and it will look like the Cowboy's during the '87 football strike...and draw about the same number of folks.

I don't think any kind of punishment will be taken though. I would love for them to be ridiculed for the rest of their careers so that the newer generations of players are too scared to try, but most people don't care. Oh well

Vertnut
07-30-2009, 02:21 PM
I don't think any kind of punishment will be taken though. I would love for them to be ridiculed for the rest of their careers so that the newer generations of players are too scared to try, but most people don't care. Oh well

I don't care, personally. It's their body to do what they wish. Why not just make it legal?