Let the debate begin - 2010 Camaro SS vs 2010 GT500

[JKD]

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[terminator03]

gt500 ftw

[Trick Pony]

Too bad for Chevy they had to kill off the Z/28 which would have been more comparable to the GT500.

[JP135]

Both too expensive, but since the federal guv-a-ment and the UAW own GM now, it'd be the Ford.

[AutoConnection_USA]

Put $10,000 in mods in the SS and compare apples to apples.

[bcoop]

Too bad for Chevy they had to kill off the Z/28 which would have been more comparable to the GT500.




What?

[Hell-Bent SS 2]

That's bullshit a stock Camaro cant run 12.9s stock. Just ask all the guys on dfwstangs LOL

[Hell-Bent SS 2]

What?

X2 :confused2:

[JKD]

Put $10,000 in mods in the SS and compare apples to apples.

LOL, that didnt take long for that to happen.

[White_lightning]

i like the opening.. translate.. The last time we put a GT VS the comparable camaro..the GT got owned like the bitch it is and all the ford fanboys cried.. so we took the 2nd most powerfull and stupidly over priced blown mustang on the road VS the base factory V8 camaro so it could look like there was a mustang that did not FAIL.

[White_lightning]

lol..
$17k more....
114 hp more...
12.8@115 VS12.9@110

personally i wouldnt be proud of that for guys:)

[JKD]

lol..
$17k more....
114 hp more...
12.8@115 VS12.9@110

personally i wouldnt be proud of that for guys:)

Says the fan boi driving a new Vette. :p

[turbostang]

I don't understand the camaro vs. mustang debate. I mean, if you are a ford guy, you'd say "MUSTANG!". If you were a chevy guy, you'd say "CAMARO!"

Shit. To each his own, if you like it enough to buy it - knock yourself out.


The debates are NEVER centered around anything but power and a drag race. last I checked, not "everyone" was concerned with what it does in the quarter, or how much power it has.

If I wanted something fast, nice etc.. it wouldn't be american made.

[AutoConnection_USA]

LOL, that didnt take long for that to happen.



I am not a Ford or Chevrolet guy. I am a car guy.

That was the most logical answer I could think of..

[Chuck]

Running into the 12's with a bone stock 30 something thousand dollar car is pretty cool.

[Saladbar]

i like the opening.. translate.. The last time we put a GT VS the comparable camaro..the GT got owned like the bitch it is and all the ford fanboys cried.. so we took the 2nd most powerfull and stupidly over priced blown mustang on the road VS the base factory V8 camaro so it could look like there was a mustang that did not FAIL.

Oh sooooo true! They could always compare the V6 Camaro to the Mustang GT. It's like the late 90's - early 2000's all over again.

[White_lightning]

Says the fan boi driving a new Vette. :p

i could comment:) but i wont:)

[JKD]

i could comment:) but i wont:)

<-----fan boi and fellow bandwagon jumper. :D

[White_lightning]

<-----fan boi and fellow bandwagon jumper. :D

actually you >me in fan boi:)
I have never owned a mustang.. i have always been a GM guy:)
you SOLD a blown cobra to jump ship:)
you jumped off the titanic and onto the USS Enterprise:)

[half track]

What?

X2 :confused2:

Chevy was going to release a Z/28 version of the new Camaro, but the plan has been cancelled due to (well hell you know) Anyways it was rumored to have the same engine as the new CTS V 550hp/560 tq

http://www.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/2009/112_0904_chevrolet_camaro_z28_returns/index.html

[Super Coupe]

It all depends on what you want. You throw some drag suspension and a twin turbo setup on the gt 500 and you have an 8 second ride with that same engine that only runs 12's at 115 from the factory. GT500 ftw.

[Saladbar]

Ya. Just throw it on there. I mean..... Everyone's doing just that! LMSAO.

[OrangeChevyII]

We'll see what a D1 Procharged SS will do on a Ls3 shorly. The blowers only 6200 bux and capable of 1000 rwhp with the injectors and all. It'll make over 600 to the wheels with very minimal amounts of boost. Say 6#s with full exhaust and an abracadabra tune.

Go chevy go......

[Gumby5.0]

I don't think you could go wrong with either car:684:. Both cars are fast, hot, and loud!

[slownbmta]

We'll see what a D1 Procharged SS will do on a Ls3 shorly. The blowers only 6200 bux and capable of 1000 rwhp with the injectors and all. It'll make over 600 to the wheels with very minimal amounts of boost. Say 6#s with full exhaust and an abracadabra tune.

Go chevy go......

1000rw with a D1? You have been sucking to many exhaust fumes at work:006:

[Super Coupe]

1000rw with a D1? You have been sucking to many exhaust fumes at work:006:

That's what I was thinking but thought maybe procharger did some major upgrades to the d1 lol.

[MrSS]

Chevy was going to release a Z/28 version of the new Camaro, but the plan has been cancelled due to (well hell you know) Anyways it was rumored to have the same engine as the new CTS V 550hp/560 tq

http://www.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/2009/112_0904_chevrolet_camaro_z28_returns/index.html

I was skimming through this months MT at the store seems the Z/28 project is up and running again or soon will be. If it comes out then we can compare equal models of camaro to mustang.

[OrangeChevyII]

Thats just what CC told me, maybe he's been giving to much head at GearHeads

[Yale]

There's someting about the GT500 that reaches out and grabs me, and nothing about the Camaro that does that. I won't say it's ugly anymore, and I won't say I'd never own one, but I can say the Mustang would have to be out of production first.

[steeda820]

The American Muscle rivalry will never die... We need this so the carmaker's come with something better than the other. It's been like this since the beggining of the muscle era.

IMO both cars are great but to expensive and heavy for the enthusiasts that appreciate and mod these cars.

Some car fanatics can't see past their huge EGO's when it comes to brand loyalty...

[JKD]

actually you >me in fan boi:)
I have never owned a mustang.. i have always been a GM guy:)
you SOLD a blown cobra to jump ship:)
you jumped off the titanic and onto the USS Enterprise:)

Pfft, you seem to forget jumping off the Toyota bandwagon conviently. You won't be able to sandbag that Vette the same way you did that Supra you fuckin cheater. :D

[Saladbar]

Ego has nothing to do with it. Some bleed red. Some bleed blue.

[STROKD]

I like both cars, but for the price I'd rather have a 2LT C6.:sombrero: Itd be about 37-38Kish, which is right in between the Camaro and the Shelby.

[98DSM]

Put $10,000 in mods in the SS and compare apples to apples.

I'll bite, how many cubes does the SS have vs the measley 4.6L in the cobra :shocked:

That said, this debate will forever be ongoing..your gonna have your pom pom's out for whomever your loyal too typically.

[89gt-stanger]

GT500 plus DR's, plus a 2.8 KB, plus bolt ons and a tune is 900rwhp easy.

[AutoConnection_USA]

I'll bite, how many cubes does the SS have vs the measley 4.6L in the cobra :shocked:

That said, this debate will forever be ongoing..your gonna have your pom pom's out for whomever your loyal too typically.



I don't have pom pom's for either. That was a logical statement. I am not a Ford or Chevy guy. I am a car guy. I appreciate all the well built high performance cars out there.

I believe they are certain things each company does well and other things they are weak.

[Trick Pony]

We'll see what a D1 Procharged SS will do on a Ls3 shorly. The blowers only 6200 bux and capable of 1000 rwhp with the injectors and all. It'll make over 600 to the wheels with very minimal amounts of boost. Say 6#s with full exhaust and an abracadabra tune.

Go chevy go......

I don't know about 6#s. Most of the Vettes I've been looking at with built 402 strokers and a D1 make high-600s/low-700s to the wheels on 12-14 psi on pump gas. So I'd say more like 500rwhp on 6.

[White_lightning]

I'll bite, how many cubes does the SS have vs the measley 4.6L in the cobra :shocked:

That said, this debate will forever be ongoing..your gonna have your pom pom's out for whomever your loyal too typically.

the shelby is not a 4.6 .. its a blown 5.4

so blown 5.4 VS NA 6.2
yeah.. once an equivilent blower gets droped on the SS its over for the little garden snake.

[White_lightning]

I don't know about 6#s. Most of the Vettes I've been looking at with built 402 strokers and a D1 make high-600s/low-700s to the wheels on 12-14 psi on pump gas. So I'd say more like 500rwhp on 6.

there is a local guy with a P1sc making 787 on i think 17#.. on a STOCK ls3 with 6# i would say 550-600 is about right given all the other bolt ons.

no way in hell a D1 will break 1000 rwhp.. you would need an F1 to do that.

[OMEGA DOOM]

I'll bite, how many cubes does the SS have vs the measley 4.6L in the cobra :shocked:

That said, this debate will forever be ongoing..your gonna have your pom pom's out for whomever your loyal too typically.I thought the Gt500 had a 5.4 ??? lets compare the GT500 and the Ford GT to the ZR1 now that would be interesting!

[98DSM]

I thought the Gt500 had a 5.4 ??? lets compare the GT500 and the Ford GT to the ZR1 now that would be interesting!

Oops, your right LOL ...nonetheless, I would not pay 50k for the GT500...I really don't like the looks of it. The motor, on the otherhand, is quite nice for what it is..a boost friendly application. Not sure the same can be said of the Camaro?

[OMEGA DOOM]

Oops, your right LOL ...nonetheless, I would not pay 50k for the GT500...I really don't like the looks of it. The motor, on the otherhand, is quite nice for what it is..a boost friendly application. Not sure the same can be said of the Camaro?I thought the GT500 was going for 70-80K ???

[slownbmta]

I would take a Shelby over a new Camaro and I am an LSx "fan boi". The Shelby looks just as good and has a much better platform to mod it and make huge power. Hell you don't even have to touch the bottom end on them :slomo:

[Juiced4V]

Nice...they are both bad ass cars..

[SEB]

Nice...they are both bad ass cars..

x2

[junior]

cant afford either so who cares.

[Muffrazr]

cant afford either so who cares.

X2.

I can afford to build something to win, though.

[Zfan]

If someone gave me or I simply won one of them I'd just sell it and mod my own car. Overrated and def. over priced. Fug em both for what they are asking these days.

[STROKD]

I thought the GT500 was going for 70-80K ???

Um no, you are in 2007 time warp dude. Most of the new ones are selling under sticker at about 1000 over invoice. Theres one in GP right now fully loaded asking 50 and change, and another one on ebay at 49 buy now.

You could get one for 47-48 with less options.

I was up a long time last night looking at prices and reading about em.:) Found a 08 with 2081 miles in Corpus for 35K. If I was working, Id be on a plane right now to go see it. Thats cheap.

[98DSM]

The best thing about the '10's is that they have knock sensor's (at least in my opinion). I do like the rearend much better than the prior GT500's. I'm not a big fan of the front fascia though. The interior though is a huge improvement over the 03-04's, but that can be said of all s197's.

[Trick Pony]

there is a local guy with a P1sc making 787 on i think 17#.. on a STOCK ls3 with 6# i would say 550-600 is about right given all the other bolt ons.

no way in hell a D1 will break 1000 rwhp.. you would need an F1 to do that.

Here's how I look at it. Stock LS3 is 430hp. Best you could expect on 1 bar of boost is double that but will be slightly less in the real world.
On 6 psi on a stock motor you're looking at best case 430*(1+6/14.7)=605 at the crank. That comes to about 515rwhp assuming 15% drivetrain loss...
If you take the same #s using 17psi, you get 430(1+17/14.7)=927. 15% drivetrain loss gives 788rwhp, which exactly matches what the example you posted made.
With full exhaust and all the bolt-ons I would agree that you can make around 550-600rwhp on 6psi. I was just talking stock motor + boost.

[Super Coupe]

the shelby is not a 4.6 .. its a blown 5.4

so blown 5.4 VS NA 6.2
yeah.. once an equivilent blower gets droped on the SS its over for the little garden snake.

That is wear you are wrong. The 5.4 is low low comprssion for boost. The lsx motor is not going to be as boost friendly and will be stuck at lower boost while the 5.4 can put out 900rwhp with an aftermarket blower with the rest of the engine being stock like the short block, heads, and cams. And an equivelent blower is not a D1 vs a stock eaton supercharger that you find on the shelby. If you want to do that make both cars run the same head super charger and see which ones makes the most before maxing out the blower or blowing up.

[White_lightning]

That is wear you are wrong. The 5.4 is low low comprssion for boost. The lsx motor is not going to be as boost friendly and will be stuck at lower boost while the 5.4 can put out 900rwhp with an aftermarket blower with the rest of the engine being stock like the short block, heads, and cams. And an equivelent blower is not a D1 vs a stock eaton supercharger that you find on the shelby. If you want to do that make both cars run the same head super charger and see which ones makes the most before maxing out the blower or blowing up.

its not apples to oranges though. you are comparing a motor built to run low compression Fi to a motor built to run high comression NA.

the ls9 is a low compression ls3. for an apples to apples comparison you would need to compare the ls9 to the shelby other wise i might as well through out the 2jz-gte and say " the shelby 5.4 is crap since you can make 1000 rwhp on a stock 3.0 I6"

[Super Coupe]

its not apples to oranges though. you are comparing a motor built to run low compression Fi to a motor built to run high comression NA.

the ls9 is a low compression ls3. for an apples to apples comparison you would need to compare the ls9 to the shelby other wise i might as well through out the 2jz-gte and say " the shelby 5.4 is crap since you can make 1000 rwhp on a stock 3.0 I6"

We aren't talking about any other cars. We are talking about the two cars in the video getting compared and you even said drop the same blower on the ss and it would be no contest which is false.

[White_lightning]

We aren't talking about any other cars. We are talking about the two cars in the video getting compared and you even said drop the same blower on the ss and it would be no contest which is false.

if you take the cobra AS IT IS.. and equalize by putting a blower on the camaro the camaro will be faster. No one said changing the set up on the cobra.

IMO the cobra motor stock, since it was designed for FI, will hold more power with an aftermarket blower. But off the show room floor if you added a blower to the ls9 it would make more power then the stock cobra.

[Super Coupe]

if you take the cobra AS IT IS.. and equalize by putting a blower on the camaro the camaro will be faster. No one said changing the set up on the cobra.

IMO the cobra motor stock, since it was designed for FI, will hold more power with an aftermarket blower. But off the show room floor if you added a blower to the ls9 it would make more power then the stock cobra.

:pat:

[Hmbre97]

you jumped off the titanic and onto the USS Enterprise:)


I think you got this backwards. It's GM that's owned by the govt and the UAW, not the other way around.

[OMEGA DOOM]

Um no, you are in 2007 time warp dude. Most of the new ones are selling under sticker at about 1000 over invoice. Theres one in GP right now fully loaded asking 50 and change, and another one on ebay at 49 buy now.

You could get one for 47-48 with less options.

I was up a long time last night looking at prices and reading about em.:) Found a 08 with 2081 miles in Corpus for 35K. If I was working, Id be on a plane right now to go see it. Thats cheap.oh? thats just how much I give a shit about them! both cars are cool but i woul still go with the LS3 vette or if I had the chance the Z06!

[95snake]

Ill stick with my LS1, but if I could have one it would be the GT500.

[90GT50]

I wouldn't buy either, and this thread is full of some of the stupidest arguements I've ever seen.

[momo stallion]

camaro looks better.

oh yea, 03/04 cobra 4 life bitches.

[FoxBodyMike]

the shelby is not a 4.6 .. its a blown 5.4

so blown 5.4 VS NA 6.2
yeah.. once an equivilent blower gets droped on the SS its over for the little garden snake.

Care to explain how a blown 5.4 will be equal to a blown 6.2? isn't that 800cc difference?

The camaro is a nice car for n/a. But if you want to dump money on getting a s/c for it, then the ford guy should get to go to turbo/s, or get a whipple 3.4.

That would be more even.. since chevy has a bigger motor and all..

Camaro isn't very boost friendly anyways.

[OrangeChevyII]

:pat: :pat: :pat:

Run what you brung and if you get drug, you didnt bring enough. Oh yeah, Ford sucks.

A tenth is what you get for the extra money? Lol, that's great, some of these arguments are like a retarded kid calling another kid retarded. Priceless!

[BreedLove]

:pat: :pat: :pat:

Run what you brung and if you get drug, you didnt bring enough. Oh yeah, Ford sucks.

A tenth is what you get for the extra money? Lol, that's great, some of these arguments are like a retarded kid calling another kid retarded. Priceless!

I don't think I've seen anyone swinging off the Camaros nut sack as much as you.

[Paladin]

I love these debates. If the Camaro owner can bring 10K in mods, can't the Ford guy put on a smaller pulley and catback exhaust, maybe a little old tune?

How about we take it for what it is, the top of the line factory Camaro got beat by the top of the line Mustang, when both were factory stock. :pat:

[Paladin]

:pat: :pat: :pat:

Run what you brung and if you get drug, you didnt bring enough. Oh yeah, Ford sucks.

A tenth is what you get for the extra money? Lol, that's great, some of these arguments are like a retarded kid calling another kid retarded. Priceless!

Isn't that what they did, bring what the factory brought to the table and the Camaro lost? :pat:

[BreedLove]

Isn't that what they did, bring what the factory brought to the table and the Camaro lost? :pat:

It doesn't matter. This argument is such a dead end that it's mind blowing.

[BreedLove]

on a side note, that Camaro runs well. I wish it wasn't so dang ugly.

[Paladin]

It doesn't matter. This argument is such a dead end that it's mind blowing.


I know, I am just stirring the pot a little.

[DHGBullitt3345]

I love these debates. If the Camaro owner can bring 10K in mods, can't the Ford guy put on a smaller pulley and catback exhaust, maybe a little old tune?


Or just some DRs. I'm surprised it even beat the Camaro in that vid. Mustang had a bunch of wheelspin. Spinnin' ain't winnin'.

[terminator03]

I love these debates. If the Camaro owner can bring 10K in mods, can't the Ford guy put on a smaller pulley and catback exhaust, maybe a little old tune?

How about we take it for what it is, the top of the line factory Camaro got beat by the top of the line Mustang, when both were factory stock. :pat:

x2 It is pretty cheap to put a smaller pulley and a tune on a gt500 and it would be a lot faster than a new camaro with a cam and longtubes so like my previous post gt500 ftw GM sucks :firedevil:.

[Super Coupe]

x2 It is pretty cheap to put a smaller pulley and a tune on a gt500 and it would be a lot faster than a new camaro with a cam and longtubes so like my previous post gt500 ftw GM sucks :firedevil:.

Your car ran what 7.4s with those mods and sticky tires. I imagine a gt500 and those mods would be very close to 6s. Yeah what a crappy car.

[terminator03]

Your car ran what 7.4s with those mods and sticky tires. I imagine a gt500 and those mods would be very close to 6s. Yeah what a crappy car.

My car ran those times with a 2.93 pulley i cant wait to see what it will do a 2.76

[Yale]

Care to explain how a blown 5.4 will be equal to a blown 6.2? isn't that 800cc difference?

The camaro is a nice car for n/a. But if you want to dump money on getting a s/c for it, then the ford guy should get to go to turbo/s, or get a whipple 3.4.

That would be more even.. since chevy has a bigger motor and all..

Camaro isn't very boost friendly anyways.

A whole bunch of motherfuckers in here are assuming every cubic inch of air is flowing at an equivalent rate, while comparing these two engines. The Ford has an advantage a lot of folks are overlooking, and that's ridiculous valve area. It doesn't matter how much air pressure you can stuff into the intake. What's getting past the valves?

[Cmarsh93z]

wow...100+ more HP, and its 1 TENTH ahead. Where do I sign up?

[Hmbre97]

wow...100+ more HP, and its 1 TENTH ahead. Where do I sign up?


Do you really think 12.8@115 is all the car is capable of? Hell, I went 12.5@115 on some bald ass non-dr nitto radials with a 2.2x 60 ft and my non-driving fat ass behind the wheel. Those cars are good for mid-low 12's with the driver mod.

[OrangeChevyII]

Dont get pissy cause Ford's top of the line car is only a tenth faster. :booty: Even with more cams and twice as many valves.

Ford sucks.:sad:

[OrangeChevyII]

I love these debates. If the Camaro owner can bring 10K in mods, can't the Ford guy put on a smaller pulley and catback exhaust, maybe a little old tune?

How about we take it for what it is, the top of the line factory Camaro got beat by the top of the line Mustang, when both were factory stock. :pat:


GM's top of the line Camaro is actually the SLP575. only 500 built to order. If you wanted to know what your talking about. Its more then 10g's, but said car can be bout for around 50K. Thats more fair right?

[98DSM]

Good times

[JKD]

Ford sucks.:sad:

It really does. I've completely jumped OFF the Ford bandwagon as of this morning. I've been pretty much off for awhile now, but this morning sealed the deal when I raced the wife this morning. I was driving our modded 03 Mach and she was in our 06 Magnum SRT-8. She got about a half a second jump on (about half a car) and I still couldn't catch her, she was slowly pulling away. How fuckin sad is that?

Ford fuckin sucks. I can't wait to get my Vette. :(

[Chuck]

It really does. I've completely jumped OFF the Ford bandwagon as of this morning. I've been pretty much off for awhile now, but this morning sealed the deal when I raced the wife this morning. I was driving our modded 03 Mach and she was in our 06 Magnum SRT-8. She got about a half a second jump on (about half a car) and I still couldn't catch her, she was slowly pulling away. How fuckin sad is that?

Ford fuckin sucks. I can't wait to get my Vette. :(

Shift!! Shift!!!!

[turbocoupe]

GT500 ftw. bullet-proof bottom end, straight axle, better looking imo. so much more potential for big horsepower. i'm thinking we are going to see camaros puking rear end fluid once they start making big power with sticky tires.

[JKD]

GT500 ftw. bullet-proof bottom end, straight axle, better looking imo. so much more potential for big horsepower. i'm thinking we are going to see camaros puking rear end fluid once they start making big power with sticky tires.

Riiiight. $50k car and have to dump another 7k for a twinscrew and supporting mods to make that tank actually fast and only in a straight line. :lmao:

[Cmarsh93z]

Do you really think 12.8@115 is all the car is capable of? Hell, I went 12.5@115 on some bald ass non-dr nitto radials with a 2.2x 60 ft and my non-driving fat ass behind the wheel. Those cars are good for mid-low 12's with the driver mod.

Do you really think a 12.9 is all the camaro is capable of? $20k more, 3 more cams, tons more valves..heads that flow like crazy...AND BOOST...and its only 1 tenth faster! WOW

[Paladin]

GM's top of the line Camaro is actually the SLP575. only 500 built to order. If you wanted to know what your talking about. Its more then 10g's, but said car can be bout for around 50K. Thats more fair right?


I have no clue about the SLP 575. Can I buy one at a dealer?

BTW, if you want to get all technical, I thnk the GT500KR Super Snake is the top of the line Mustang, and it has 700+ HP. :banana:

[JKD]

Do you really think a 12.9 is all the camaro is capable of? $20k more, 3 more cams, tons more valves..heads that flow like crazy...AND BOOST...and its only 1 tenth faster! WOW

This man has some very good points.

[OrangeChevyII]

Of course, they are offering only 250 auto cars and 250 stick cars. SLP charges to much for shit just like shelby. It is an option as of June 9th. You can even buy one with the almighty Ls7. But Ford guys wouldnt know which way to stick their tails if you showed up with one of those.

Just sayin..........Ford sucks. Welcome JKD! I cant belive you let a station wagon drag the mach1.:afro:

[OMEGA DOOM]

It really does. I've completely jumped OFF the Ford bandwagon as of this morning. I've been pretty much off for awhile now, but this morning sealed the deal when I raced the wife this morning. I was driving our modded 03 Mach and she was in our 06 Magnum SRT-8. She got about a half a second jump on (about half a car) and I still couldn't catch her, she was slowly pulling away. How fuckin sad is that?

Ford fuckin sucks. I can't wait to get my Vette. :(Traitor!:twak:

[90GT50]

Do you really think a 12.9 is all the camaro is capable of? $20k more, 3 more cams, tons more valves..heads that flow like crazy...AND BOOST...and its only 1 tenth faster! WOW"but the cubic inches are different!!1!!!!"

[JKD]

Of course, they are offering only 250 auto cars and 250 stick cars. SLP charges to much for shit just like shelby. It is an option as of June 9th. You can even buy one with the almighty Ls7. But Ford guys wouldnt know which way to stick their tails if you showed up with one of those.

Just sayin..........Ford sucks. Welcome JKD! I cant belive you let a station wagon drag the mach1.:afro:

LOL, thanks. I didnt "let" it, didnt have much choice in that outcome. The Mach is a slow turd, I've always said that. I sold my 93 Cobra and will be the last Mustang I will ever own.

[JKD]

Traitor!:twak:

Thank you, thank you very much. *Elvis voice*

[OrangeChevyII]

I have no clue about the SLP 575. Can I buy one at a dealer?

BTW, if you want to get all technical, I thnk the GT500KR Super Snake is the top of the line Mustang, and it has 700+ HP. :banana:


In a thread I started about your all mighty KR.............Edmonds said the snake was weak, the vette was a real sprts car. Also it to only went a 12.80? lol, the Z06 went an 11.50 on street tires with 150 less HP. Go Ford Go!:pat:

[JKD]

In a thread I started about your all mighty KR.............Edmonds said the snake was weak, the vette was a real sprts car. Also it to only went a 12.80? lol, the Z06 went an 11.50 on street tires with 150 less HP. Go Ford Go!:pat:

Ranger on Corvetteforum.com went high 10's in a bone stock Z06 with a set of drag radials. There isn't a single production Mustang that can do that.

[Paladin]

Of course, they are offering only 250 auto cars and 250 stick cars. SLP charges to much for shit just like shelby. It is an option as of June 9th. You can even buy one with the almighty Ls7. But Ford guys wouldnt know which way to stick their tails if you showed up with one of those.

Just sayin..........Ford sucks. Welcome JKD! I cant belive you let a station wagon drag the mach1.:afro:

So is SLP a factory authorized vehicle or is it more like Saleen that bought the cars and then did their mods to the car? I have never heard of them so I am curious.

[Trick Pony]

It really does. I've completely jumped OFF the Ford bandwagon as of this morning. I've been pretty much off for awhile now, but this morning sealed the deal when I raced the wife this morning. I was driving our modded 03 Mach and she was in our 06 Magnum SRT-8. She got about a half a second jump on (about half a car) and I still couldn't catch her, she was slowly pulling away. How fuckin sad is that?

Ford fuckin sucks. I can't wait to get my Vette. :(

What kinda Vette you considering? For the first time in my life I will soon have 2 Vettes and no Fords. I'm just tired of heavy cars as far as new Mustangs, Camaros, and Challengers so I've gotten into Vettes.

[Paladin]

In a thread I started about your all mighty KR.............Edmonds said the snake was weak, the vette was a real sprts car. Also it to only went a 12.80? lol, the Z06 went an 11.50 on street tires with 150 less HP. Go Ford Go!:pat:

LOL, you go from Camaro to Vette when I stay with a Mustang. I think you have gotten a little off track. I also think the supercar Ford offered that was similar to the Corvette was the GT.

BTW, I remember when the Corvette owners would have been insulted if their precious Vettes had been compared to the lowly Mustang, now when the discussion gets intense the Vette gets thrown out by the Camaro guys to try and trump the Mustang guys. I love this site and how it introduced me to Chevy logic!


<--- doesn't visit GM or Chevy sites becuase he owns Fords.

[JKD]

What kinda Vette you considering? For the first time in my life I will soon have 2 Vettes and no Fords. I'm just tired of heavy cars as far as new Mustangs, Camaros, and Challengers so I've gotten into Vettes.

07+ Z06 or a 08 LS3. For many reason, but one of which, I'm just tired of Mustangs and ready to move up. A lil nicer car, faster, handles better, stops betters. I've moved past the point to where power is everything.

[Big Thumper]

Ranger on Corvetteforum.com went high 10's in a bone stock Z06 with a set of drag radials. There isn't a single production Mustang that can do that.


Its called a Cobra Jet.....

[AdamLX]

It really does. I've completely jumped OFF the Ford bandwagon as of this morning. I've been pretty much off for awhile now, but this morning sealed the deal when I raced the wife this morning. I was driving our modded 03 Mach and she was in our 06 Magnum SRT-8. She got about a half a second jump on (about half a car) and I still couldn't catch her, she was slowly pulling away. How fuckin sad is that?

Ford fuckin sucks. I can't wait to get my Vette. :(

I'm failing to see how this relates. You lost to a higher horsepower car.

So you buy a Vette and lose to another higher horsepower 4 door car. Then what?

[Saladbar]

So is SLP a factory authorized vehicle or is it more like Saleen that bought the cars and then did their mods to the car? I have never heard of them so I am curious.

For those that remember the 1996-2002 Camaro SS's... Those were made by SLP. It was a GM option to have Dave Hamburger and his crew do some things to the Camaro. They also did the Firehawk.

As for what their stake is now...... Umm.. I dunno. They modify F150's and Mustangs as well these days. So it might be more like a Saleen deal. Dunno. Maybe like a Rousch! hahaha

[White_lightning]

For those that remember the 1996-2002 Camaro SS's... Those were made by SLP. It was a GM option to have Dave Hamburger and his crew do some things to the Camaro. They also did the Firehawk.

you mean the firehaNk
:)

[Saladbar]

The Ls1 models were the Firehanks..... I think??

[JKD]

I'm failing to see how this relates. You lost to a higher horsepower car.

So you buy a Vette and lose to another higher horsepower 4 door car. Then what?

Well, the Mach is 345hp (or so)at over 3700lbs and the Magnum at 425hp at over 4400lbs I would think the Mach wouldn't have much trouble keeping up.

My comment was more frustration than anything. I'm going through withdrawl over here. :(

[Paladin]

For those that remember the 1996-2002 Camaro SS's... Those were made by SLP. It was a GM option to have Dave Hamburger and his crew do some things to the Camaro. They also did the Firehawk.

As for what their stake is now...... Umm.. I dunno. They modify F150's and Mustangs as well these days. So it might be more like a Saleen deal. Dunno. Maybe like a Rousch! hahaha

Maybe we need to compare SLP Mustangs with SLP Camaros then! :lmao:

[Saladbar]

SLP Cameros are wayy faster. Or quicker. Whatever. Well.. They soon will be. LOL

[White_lightning]

whats funny is.. i remember this SAME argument in 1998 when the ls1 f-bodys came out:)..

[32VfromHell]

how in the fuck is your Mach1 3700lbs? lol


Mine weighs like 3580 with me in it.

[White_lightning]

how in the fuck is your Mach1 3700lbs? lol


Mine weighs like 3580 with me in it.

and its still slow:)

[JKD]

how in the fuck is your Mach1 3700lbs? lol


Mine weighs like 3580 with me in it.

I'm a fatass. I went off Ford specs, added my weight = heavy ass car.

[OMEGA DOOM]

I'm a fatass. I went off Ford specs, added my weight = heavy ass car.well damn that means my T/A is about 4K shit!:frown:

[ELP89stang]

If someone gave me or I simply won one of them I'd just sell it and mod my own car. Overrated and def. over priced. Fug em both for what they are asking these days.

Preach on !!! They are both too dang pricey

[32VfromHell]

and its still slow:)

careful now, or ill ask you which if your cars was better than the others and watch as you go into cardiac arrest like when the Superfans were asked if Da Bulls could beat da Bears.


http://sportsblogbucks.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/ditka-super-fan-farley.jpg

[White_lightning]

careful now, or ill ask you which if your cars was better than the others and watch as you go into cardiac arrest like when the Superfans were asked if Da Bulls could beat da Bears.


http://sportsblogbucks.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/ditka-super-fan-farley.jpg

LOL.. im not a fan boy:) there are things i dont like about my vette. there are things i didnt like about my supra.. i just find what ever my most apealing weapon of choice is and buy it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7Ky5R-vxns

[AL P]

careful now, or ill ask you which if your cars was better than the others and watch as you go into cardiac arrest like when the Superfans were asked if Da Bulls could beat da Bears.


http://sportsblogbucks.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/ditka-super-fan-farley.jpg

If Ditka and God got into a fight, who would win?

[32VfromHell]

no. You just post relentlessly how your supra was the greatest best handling best driving best ninja star throwing car ever and could take on michael shumachers F1 car if only he wasnt such a pussy and raced you.

[White_lightning]

no. You just post relentlessly how your supra was the greatest best handling best driving best ninja star throwing car ever and could take on michael shumachers F1 car if only he wasnt such a pussy and raced you.

nope.. never said that.. all i said was it was a head of its time for a mass production car.. why is it still the benchmark for highway cars?:)

[slow99]

If Ditka and God got into a fight, who would win?

Trick question...Ditka is God.

[Saladbar]

Wrong! Chuck Norris. :)



JK, that's so 2008 of me

[AL P]

nope.. never said that.. all i said was it was a head of its time for a mass production car.. why is it still the benchmark for highway cars?:)

Could that possibly be because it was the first car that people only wanted to race on the highway? I'm just sayin'

Granted, now the world is overrun with assholes who only want to do this.

[psychotexan]

cant afford either so who cares.
aint that the truth!!

[JKD]

no. You just post relentlessly how your supra was the greatest best handling best driving best ninja star throwing car ever and could take on michael shumachers F1 car if only he wasnt such a pussy and raced you.

You're just angry he sandbagged the shit out of that saying "440rw" giving your turd a slight glimmer of hope you might be able to beat him. lol. Feldman's nonsense with that Supra was classic. :lol:

[Mach1Nut]

I personally think if you are a Chevy fan, you're going to like the way that Chevy has always done things.... Big Cubic Inch Engine with impressive numbers.

Ford, in my opinion, has always been the underdog in the horsepower wars.

I have always liked how the vette's have looked. My friend bought a brand new 02 Z06. Riding in that car, at the time, I was very impressed with it. There was plenty of interior room, the body lines were sharp, the interior was kinda plain, but it didn't matter. That's not what he bought it for. My boss had a 02 911 Turbo and his brother had a 02 Viper. Out of all 3 cars, the Porsche was by far the nicest to drive. He later traded it in on a Ferrari F360. Realized he could not afford to maintain the Ferrari and traded it in on a Gallardo. I still preferred the Porsche for a driving car. The F360 and Gallardo were way too hard to get in and out of and just didn't feel the same as the Porsche. They were a much more ballin' looking car and got more attention, but I don't care about that stuff. I am a Ford fan. Always have been and probably always will be. When I worked at Galpin Ford, they had Jay Leno's and Nick Cage's Ford GT's in service for the control arm recall. I got to sit in them. I thought it was an awesome car, but honestly couldn't see driving it every day. I still felt the Porsche was a much more comfortable car to sit in. I'm 6'3" so it was pretty uncomfortable and hard for me to get in and out of the other cars. I had to take my shoes off to drive the Viper! haha.

Bottom line, there is always going to be someone who will try to compare 2 vehicles and say that this one is not as good as this. "Well... for the money, this car is better" "Well... if you add this to this car, it will be faster" Honestly, who cares??? Buy what you like, for whatever reasons you have, and if you want it faster, there is probably a multitude of companies out there that are willing to take your money to make whatever car you buy faster.

I'm very happy with my Mach1 and when I have it payed off next year, it will hopefully become my track / weekend car. The way it sits now, I can put my Drag Radials on it, drive to the track, run 12.60's and then drive home. Not bad for a n/a 4.6 with bolt-on's and DR's.

[Hmbre97]

Do you really think a 12.9 is all the camaro is capable of? $20k more, 3 more cams, tons more valves..heads that flow like crazy...AND BOOST...and its only 1 tenth faster! WOW

In stock form, yes. You MIGHT be able to eek out out another tenth or 2 but we're talking an almost 4k lb car with 360~ rwhp. Get real. You're really trying to convince me a car that weighs about the same but makes over +100 rwhp more and traps higher is only going to be a tenth faster? You're delusional.

With that said, the Camaro has great potential with mods thanks to the LS3 which is an awesome motor. Unfortunately, Chevy decided to stick a great drivetrain into an ugly ass car.... again. Hopefully the build quality is better than the older gen f-body rattletrap shitboxes.

[jw33]

Has anyone mentioned yet that all LSx motors sound like farm trucks and have terrible piston slap?

[AutoConnection_USA]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7Ky5R-vxns


Off topic. Thought this was win.

[White_lightning]

wtf happend to my posts???

[Trick Pony]

Has anyone mentioned yet that all LSx motors sound like farm trucks and have terrible piston slap?

I think they sound great as long as they're running through true dual exhaust. My vette sounds sweet as hell IMO.

[terminator03]

I think they sound great as long as they're running through true dual exhaust. My vette sounds sweet as hell IMO.

x2 every f body i have heard with true duals sounds good vettes always sound good cause they all have true duals

[Forteen3GT]

better comparison IMO:

C6 Z06 vs GT500
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[mustangguy289]

Car and Driver put the Mustang Gt, Camaro SS, and the V8 Challenger through comparison from everything from price, braking, cornering, MPG, speed etc and the Mustang GT ( not GT500) came out on top in there comparison. It was slightly slower than the Camaro ( no shit look at the horsepower difference) but weighed 300 lbs less and handled much better. Along with a much cheaper starting price, better MPG, pulled more G's on the skid pad etc.

[terminator03]

Cat and Driver put the Mustang Gt, Camaro SS, and the V8 Challenger through comparison from everything from price, braking, cornering, MPG, speed etc and the Mustang GT ( not GT500) came out on top in there comparison. It was slightly slower than the Camaro ( no shit look at the horsepower difference) but weighed 300 lbs less and handled much better. Along with a much cheaper starting price, better MPG, pulled more G's on the skid pad etc.

Cat and Driver?

[OrangeChevyII]

You know the Mustang Gt is 14 full seconds slow from 0-140 mph then the Camaro? Ford sucks balls

[VETTKLR]

That just gives the Mustang driver 14 more seconds to sit in a nicer car, huh, asshole.


The new Camaro is a cheap, shoddy, rattletrap with the same old bullshit build quality and paint that's just going to fade back to nothing in no time at all.

[Super Coupe]

That just gives the Mustang driver 14 more seconds to sit in a nicer car, huh, asshole.


The new Camaro is a cheap, shoddy, rattletrap with the same old bullshit build quality and paint that's just going to fade back to nothing in no time at all.

LOL. Have you seen the yellow one markpreus posted in the pic forum? Wow.

[OrangeChevyII]

Ford sucks

[mustangguy289]

You know the Mustang Gt is 14 full seconds slow from 0-140 mph then the Camaro? Ford sucks balls

Your math sucks balls.

Chevy Crapmaro 0-140 = 22.3
Mustang GT= 34.2

Difference = 11.9 sec.

[OrangeChevyII]

Your math sucks balls.

Chevy Crapmaro 0-140 = 22.3
Mustang GT= 34.2

Difference = 11.9 sec.


Different book maybe, either way it takes it over half a minut to get there.

[BOOSTED32V]

Well, the Mach is 345hp (or so)Where in the hell did you get 345hp on a MACH1? The only way to get that much HP on a MACH1 is will full bolt-ons* and you might break 330RWHP, they only make 285-ish RWHP stock, so if you were only a 1/2 a car behind that 6.2 hemi, it looks to me like the POS is the dodge. Damn Steve, it sounds to me like Jareds semen is starting to make it's way to your brain son... :rolleyes:

*CAI w/MAF
SBTB
Pullies
LT Headers
OR Xpipe & catback
Alum. DR
Tune

[Mach1Nut]

Where in the hell did you get 345hp on a MACH1?

Pretty sure he was talking flywheel horsepower there. You would also need some different cams to get to 345rwhp on a Mach1.

[JKD]

Where in the hell did you get 345hp on a MACH1? The only way to get that much HP on a MACH1 is will full bolt-ons* and you might break 330RWHP, they only make 285-ish RWHP stock, so if you were only a 1/2 a car behind that 6.2 hemi, it looks to me like the POS is the dodge. Damn Steve, it sounds to me like Jareds semen is starting to make it's way to your brain son... :rolleyes:

*CAI w/MAF
SBTB
Pullies
LT Headers
OR Xpipe & catback
Alum. DR
Tune

Calm down Grandpa. You're assuming the Mach is stock. Either way, it's a slow piece of shit Mustang. It's good for the wife though as most Mustangs are only good for women including Not-So-Bad-SVT. :p

[jw33]

what?

http://www.motortrend.com/auto_news/112_0909_chevrolet_camaro_z28_is_go/index.html

[dustin]

what?

http://www.motortrend.com/auto_news/112_0909_chevrolet_camaro_z28_is_go/index.html


I might get two of those. One to shit on and one to wipe my ass with. Those things are hideous.

[Chuck]

what?

http://www.motortrend.com/auto_news/112_0909_chevrolet_camaro_z28_is_go/index.html

Nice! I was wondering if they'd produce it.

[JKD]

what?

http://www.motortrend.com/auto_news/112_0909_chevrolet_camaro_z28_is_go/index.html

Now the HP wars get really kicked into gear. Very cool.

[71chevellejohn]

Not sure if it has been said
surely it has
Not going to read back to see if it has been said.
But give me a fox body and the $$ difference between it and all the cars listed and I can make it uber faster than all!!!!

:D

j/k

[slownbmta]

why is it still the benchmark for highway cars?:)

Where do you find this "benchmark"

[OrangeChevyII]

I might get two of those. One to shit on and one to wipe my ass with. Those things are hideous.

I shit cobras so whats the difference?

[FRANCISCO308]

If someone gave me or I simply won one of them I'd just sell it and mod my own car. Overrated and def. over priced. Fug em both for what they are asking these days.

x2

[f0ur sixer]

Ford sucks

Maybe Ford should just hand over the keys to the government as well. Maybe then they'll get their shit right eh?

Brb posting on Chevy forums coz I can.

[notchnate]

Maybe Ford should just hand over the keys to the government as well. Maybe then they'll get their shit right eh?

Brb posting on Chevy forums coz I can.

thank you! X's 2 lol

does anyone think about the difference in displacement anymore? and that video is completely one sided towards the ss fuck that heavy chevy!

[akfodysvn]

SAM shits cobras in my car, so whats the difference?

EDITED

You all are comparing cars that aren't really comparable. No one has talked about the 100+HP difference between the camaro and the 10 GT, but you immediately jump at the chance to talk about the HP difference the other direction. 6.2 vs 4.6 is fair right? STFU douch melons... neither one of these comparisons is fair.

It's like comparing the 281 from 99-04 against the LS1's.... not comparable w/ the CI difference.

Just saying there is a reason Ford put the f-body out of business.

Both of these cars are nice and would be great to own and both rear ends on the cars are ugly as fuck. Camaro's is hands down worse, especially w/ the trunk design.

Stock for stock the camaro will walk all over a GT and the GT500 will walk all over the camaro. I may change my stance on the camaro if they provide another option for more power!

A fair comparison is going to be the 10 camaro v the 11 GT if it comes out w/ the 400hp 5.0, stock for stock this will be the only reasonable comparison.

[06S197GT]

thank you! X's 2 lol

does anyone think about the difference in displacement anymore? and that video is completely one sided towards the ss fuck that heavy chevy!

If we were to throw out the saying that "there is no replacement for displacement", then one can come to the conclusion that the 10' GT500 and the 10' Camaro SS are fairly equal in displacement. So there is no need to supercharge the Camaro IMO

GT500= 5.4+ eaton ???

SS= 6.2 N/A

Then there is all of the other variables like hp/weight ratio, drivetrain, tune, driver skill (and in this case parasitic valvetrain loss b/c of the S/C) etc...

With that being said I'm all for the Shelby...

[OrangeChevyII]

I do stupid

[Big Thumper]

To hell with all the arguments and just show up at the track and hope you're fast enough! Not many people keep their cars stock...so why compare stock cars?

[dustin]

I shit cobras so whats the difference?

You know the best part about Cobras versus Camaros?

A 5 year old cobra retains up to 70% of it's value. What about a 5 year old Camaro?

[Rlhay2]

a 5 year old cobra retains up to 70% of its value. What about a 5 year old camaro?

ftw!

[slownbmta]

You know the best part about Cobras versus Camaros?

A 5 year old cobra retains up to 70% of it's value. What about a 5 year old Camaro?


I dont know man, those 2004 Camaro's are pretty rare :slap:

[OrangeChevyII]

I'm gonna say I really couldn't give a shit about what it's worth. Cobras are neat and all but it's still a mustang to me.

You wanna race?

[OrangeChevyII]

You know the best part about Cobras versus Camaros?

A 5 year old cobra retains up to 70% of it's value. What about a 5 year old Camaro?

To me it's busting there ass, you know since it has a blower and all! If you wanna compare money figures, compare a 69 camaro to a 69 mustang. Or compare a 02 mustang to a camaro.

[dustin]

To me it's busting there ass, you know since it has a blower and all!

If I wanted my car to be a ragged out piece, I probably would race it. Does it blow your mind that someone has a car like mine and doesn't care how fast it is?

If you wanna compare money figures, compare a 69 camaro to a 69 mustang. Or compare a 02 mustang to a camaro.

You're sidestepping here. Your car craps Cobras, not 69 camaros, 69 mustangs, and 02 mustangs...

[dustin]

I dont know man, those 2004 Camaro's are pretty rare :slap:

Then compare the 02's with the 03 Cobras. That should be a fair enough comparison.

[OrangeChevyII]

Your scared to race me, I understand.

Compare a 03 cobra to a 03 camaro:banana: Oh wait.......they didnt make one. Cobras are the neatest things since sliced bread, I'll sell my camaro and go buy 2 of those tonight!

So your car is stock, that must suck.

[dustin]

You want to race me? I didn't know Sam let you drive that car??? I've been down a dragstrip twice. I don't care how fast my car is. I bought the car because I enjoy it. Not because I thought everyone would give two shits about it.

If you don't want to compare 03 to 03, how about 93 to 93? The 93 Camaro is just as big of a piece of shit as any other camaro so I don't guess we need to stick to the 03/04 year model cobra.

At the end of the day, ford didn't take a bailout, the mustang has outsold the camaro since the history of the mustang and the camaro, cobras will always have better resale value than camaros, and you're a huge tool.

[OrangeChevyII]

Yes I do have a huge tool, you should do some reserch on sales. Ford borrowed money against it's self in 2006, the money runs out at the end of this year. Then thier gov loan kicks in for the 17 billion they asked for. Obama says Ford jr has to resign as CEO.

I think it's great you won't race me, lol.

[dustin]

I'm glad that you think it's great bro. Your car is no doubt faster than mine. The difference is, I couldn't give two shits. Or one shit for that matter. I bought my car because I saw it and thought to myself "wow, there is a car that I could enjoy". You apparently saw the camaro and thought "wow, there is a car that I could buy and spend obscene amounts of time and money to make faster than stock gt500s so that I can post about how great it is on a (barely) mustang enthusiast site, all-the-while sidestepping when someone brings up an issue that matters in real life like re-sale value. I will also spend time finding ways to give the camaro a handicap (i.e. no power adder unless you count displacement and your nitrous) when people bring something up that once again shows that the mustang is still the superior vehicle". Congratulations dude. You have succeeded.

[dustin]

Oh, and nice job on the penis retort. I'm sure your dick is no bigger than your intellect.

[OrangeChevyII]

Is that it? Are you done?

[dustin]

Yep, I'd say that about wraps it up. Nice Camaro.

[96lasersnake]

You know the best part about Cobras versus Camaros?

A 5 year old cobra retains up to 70% of it's value. What about a 5 year old Camaro?

Good point, but there is no winning any arguement with Doucher OrangechevyII. He always reverts to "lets race"...and by lets race he means "let me take my whored out new car, and let someone else drive it so I can say it runs awesome times". He gets his kicks off pissing people off on here. I have just accepted that he is a jackass and the camaro is the end all in cars. His cars resale will be great. have you forgot that it holds the record for fastest AND QUICKEST stock long block, full exhaust, nitrous, cam, tune, drag slicked, "STOCK",race wheeled car in the northern east area of Texas. He clearly doesnt give a shit about resale as it will be hard to sell a car that has been driven that hard and posted all over the internet and gotten most of its miles 1/4 at a time. :wave: His camaro is a stock GT500 killer....... for more money!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hfordman408]

You know the Mustang Gt is 14 full seconds slow from 0-140 mph then the Camaro? Ford sucks balls

Tell me this chevyII, What Camaro can make 800hp with just bolt ons. Oh sorry there isn't one. Ford does. Its the Cobra.

[Saladbar]

Tell me this chevyII, What Camaro can make 800hp with just bolt ons. Oh sorry there isn't one. Ford does. Its the Cobra.

There will be. Look at what the LS3 vettes are putting down with a cam and blower. Oh... That's right, there isn't one putting down 800rwhp. I'm betting the number is higher than 1. Just a hunch!!

[dustin]

Look, I know there's stock block cam/blower only vetted putting down 800whp and I'm happy for them and I'm going to let them finish, but manny's car made 1000whp on the stock block with stock cams. \(")/

[Saladbar]

So are you gonna just keep increasing this # or adding that # or whatever just to make yourself feel better? I don't get your posts. That being said, IMO, you've made a Hella smart choice with purchasing an '03 Cobra. The motors are practically bulletproof. And yes they do hold their value very damn good.

You have to remember that the Camaro SS is still gaining attention from aftermarket companies. Lower the compression a little and let their nuts hang. Cog driven blowers are available now... And a turbo is in the works. Too bad it's harder to lose weight compared to how easy it picks up HP. Guess we can compare apples to apples next year with that new Ford powerplant.

[Super Coupe]

Look, I know there's stock block cam/blower only vetted putting down 800whp and I'm happy for them and I'm going to let them finish, but manny's car made 1000whp on the stock block with stock cams. \(")/

Theres a lot of cobras making that much power. There is even a gt500 running 8s with the stock engine in a street car but mod motors are junky.

[OrangeChevyII]

When I bought my car I never thought about resell value, I guess that's the difference between paying cash for it or financing it. I know of a few Camaros making over 700 to the wheels with stock longblocks.

As far as the racing comments go, it's just to get you to shut the fuck up. 3 out of 10 people actualy take their car to the track and race it on this board. This site should be called tampon bench, nothing but a bunch of whiney pussies troll this area know as the racing bench.

Who wants to race?

[dustin]

So are you gonna just keep increasing this # or adding that # or whatever just to make yourself feel better? I don't get your posts. That being said, IMO, you've made a Hella smart choice with purchasing an '03 Cobra. The motors are practically bulletproof. And yes they do hold their value very damn good.

You have to remember that the Camaro SS is still gaining attention from aftermarket companies. Lower the compression a little and let their nuts hang. Cog driven blowers are available now... And a turbo is in the works. Too bad it's harder to lose weight compared to how easy it picks up HP. Guess we can compare apples to apples next year with that new Ford powerplant.

FACT: stock block cobras have made 1000 whp. It's true. I'm not just "increasing this #".

[dustin]

When I bought my car I never thought about resell value, I guess that's the difference between paying cash for it or financing it. I know of a few Camaros making over 700 to the wheels with stock longblocks.

As far as the racing comments go, it's just to get you to shut the fuck up. 3 out of 10 people actualy take their car to the track and race it on this board. This site should be called tampon bench, nothing but a bunch of whiney pussies troll this area know as the racing bench.

Who wants to race?

Resale value only mattering if you financed is the most ignorant comment I have ever heard. Value is a real world figure, regardless of how you bought something. Oh, and in case you missed the conversation that saladbar and I had, 1000 whp on the stock block is now the number to beat. We can stop talking about 700 hp.

[Super Coupe]

Resale value only mattering if you financed is the most ignorant comment I have ever heard. Value is a real world figure, regardless of how you bought something. Oh, and in case you missed the conversation that saladbar and I had, 1000 whp on the stock block is now the number to beat. We can stop talking about 700 hp.

Just think about how fast that camaro would be with a set of twins on it and 03/04 cobra motor!

[OrangeChevyII]

I'm still trying to figure out why you give a shit about what kind of power it makes when you don't race? :hypnotized:

[dustin]

I'm trying to relate it to something you can understand because, obviously, money and depreciation are over your head.

[OrangeChevyII]

When you got it let me know!

[hfordman408]

When I bought my car I never thought about resell value, I guess that's the difference between paying cash for it or financing it. I know of a few Camaros making over 700 to the wheels with stock longblocks.

As far as the racing comments go, it's just to get you to shut the fuck up. 3 out of 10 people actualy take their car to the track and race it on this board. This site should be called tampon bench, nothing but a bunch of whiney pussies troll this area know as the racing bench.

Who wants to race?

I take my car to the track allmost every weekend, I will be there this week. If i didnt live 500 miles from you, I would show you just how fast my little 03 4.6 cobra is, you couldnt keep up. Come on guys, I know there has to be a 03 04 cobra down there that can out run his LS shit motor. There are three here in Tulsa that can WITH 100 PERCENT STOCK LONG BLOCKS!

[Super Coupe]

I take my car to the track allmost every weekend, I will be there this week. If i didnt live 500 miles from you, I would show you just how fast my little 03 4.6 cobra is, you couldnt keep up. Come on guys, I know there has to be a 03 04 cobra down there that can out run his LS shit motor. There are three here in Tulsa that can WITH 100 PERCENT STOCK LONG BLOCKS!

Theres a couple but most people have better things to do.

[BoostedGT]

Who wants to race?

If you will shut the fuck up, I will race you. How many bus lengths do you need?

[akfodysvn]

whenever someone is faster than him he always says i'll race but i know i'll lose... he just argues to get everyone fired up and to listen to himself.

[BoostedGT]

Well damn I have one of them piece of shit mustangs so I figure he'd jump all over it. I'm sure its for Cobras only or something.

[Stng5Pnt8]

It's getting good up in here! http://www.busywomensfitness.com/images/popcorn.jpg

[OrangeChevyII]

So it takes a 5 second turbo car to race me? I'll race you, to bad none of these pansies here can nut up to race .


Just in......there are 3, I repeat 3 cobras in Oklahoma that can out run a 2010 Camaro ! Wow

[OrangeChevyII]

whenever someone is faster than him he always says i'll race but i know i'll lose... he just argues to get everyone fired up and to listen to himself.

I don't argue, just state the facts.


I raced a roush 427r yesterday, I thought those were fast?

[terminator03]

I don't argue, just state the facts.


I raced a roush 427r yesterday, I thought those were fast?

the roush mustangs are slow

[FRANCISCO308]

I'll race ya..:raincloud:

[hfordman408]

So it takes a 5 second turbo car to race me? I'll race you, to bad none of these pansies here can nut up to race .


Just in......there are 3, I repeat 3 cobras in Oklahoma that can out run a 2010 Camaro ! Wow

I said Tulsa, I have raced a lot of 2010 Camaros, not one of them has even got close to out running me. Those cars are a big joke and slow.

[dustin]

So it takes a 5 second turbo car to race me? I'll race you, to bad none of these pansies here can nut up to race .


Just in......there are 3, I repeat 3 cobras in Oklahoma that can out run a 2010 Camaro ! Wow

Just for the record, it's a 5 second turbo Mustang.

[Lason]

Damn it ya'll are like a bunch of women arguing semantics.

Dustin, you seem to be the biggest shit talker of them all (bigger than OCII??!!) with your car. Your just in here swinging dicks with all the guys that actually race and you dont even race your car! All you know if your loyal to ford and your going to e-thug all them damned chevy guys.


Pathetic I tell ya! They are both nice cars, buy what you want and have fun. DAMN

[OrangeChevyII]

Just for the record, it's a 5 second turbo Mustang.

says the guy who wont race his car......

[OrangeChevyII]

For another 17,000 on top of the GT I would figure it would have ran better is all. I dont know what an 08-09 GT cost but it's to much for as slow as they are.

The Zo6 I raced on the hwy was not any better, he's still looking for me I think.

[Sam88Gta]

If you will shut the fuck up, I will race you. How many bus lengths do you need?

Can you make a pass and keep it in your lane?
You figure out how to make boost before 330 ft?

[dustin]

says the guy who wont race his car......

says the guy who wont race his car...

[OrangeChevyII]

Your behind times man, I do. I'd be happy to bust your slow ass car.

[dustin]

Damn it ya'll are like a bunch of women arguing semantics.

Dustin, you seem to be the biggest shit talker of them all (bigger than OCII??!!) with your car. Your just in here swinging dicks with all the guys that actually race and you dont even race your car! All you know if your loyal to ford and your going to e-thug all them damned chevy guys.


Pathetic I tell ya! They are both nice cars, buy what you want and have fun. DAMN

To date, I have started exactly 0 threads talking about how great the cobra is versus ANYTHING ELSE. Nothing.

To date, OCII, has started exactly 0 threads NOT talking about how great his car is versus EVERYTHING ELSE. EVERYTHING.

I am hardly the biggest talker here. I am the one bring the most facts however. I am not a brand loyalist at all. The cobra is just better than the camaro. Much like the corvette is better than the mustang. It's just life. It's true.

[OrangeChevyII]

I'll race ya..:raincloud:

Lets go, I'll be at the track maybe this weekend? You ready?

[OrangeChevyII]

To date, I have started exactly 0 threads talking about how great the cobra is versus ANYTHING ELSE. Nothing.

To date, OCII, has started exactly 0 threads NOT talking about how great his car is versus EVERYTHING ELSE. EVERYTHING.

I am hardly the biggest talker here. I am the one bring the most facts however. I am not a brand loyalist at all. The cobra is just better than the camaro. Much like the corvette is better than the mustang. It's just life. It's true.

you said I had a huge tool.............:fest06:

[VETTKLR]

Can you make a pass and keep it in your lane?
You figure out how to make boost before 330 ft?


You wanna drive it for him?

[dustin]

you said I had a huge tool.............:fest06:

I said you are a huge tool. Way to go on the reading comprehension.

[OrangeChevyII]

The sky is aqua green

[OrangeChevyII]

You wanna drive it for him?

ehh.............huh

[FRANCISCO308]

:popworm:

[OrangeChevyII]

:banana:

[FRANCISCO308]

I was thinking of doing this tonight in Mexico:banana:

[OrangeChevyII]

Fish fry after the football games, kids weekend man. Mexico is good for me.

[FRANCISCO308]

Fish fry after the football games, kids weekend man. Mexico is good for me.

Just let me know when

[Sam88Gta]

You wanna drive it for him?

Nah..Ive driven things he owned in the past and didnt like the quality enough to take another test drive. She is cute but just a tad used up at this point.

[Car-less Chris]

oh shit i spit dr pepper out on my desk...lol....damn sam why u gotta bring up her again..

[OrangeChevyII]

Thats some good stuff there, :saroll:

[Badass2000gt]

:newbie:

[poopnut2]

Why does this thread exist?

2010 GT500>'03/'04 cobra>pre 2010 GT500>2010 Camaro>Every other Ford factory mustang not already mentioned.

[dustin]

Why does this thread exist?

2010 GT500>'03/'04 cobra>pre 2010 GT500>2010 Camaro>Every other Ford factory mustang not already mentioned.

Agreed.