WOW! Just WOW! Going to jail without a trial for how long?

[tazz007]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uuWVHT1WUY


Their coming to take me away Ha, Ha,


At least with the British attacking we had warning. One if by land, two if by sea.

Want's the warning if commies by president?

[Muffrazr]

Wow, msnbc is going after Obama? Nice!!

[astang95]

WoW, just wow...thats all I have to say.

[Fox466]

That is quite frightening. While he uses Guantanamo and al quieda as examples it could very easily be any of us that he locks up for as long as he likes.

People, this shit is getting painfully real like right now. That video is outlining the powers to just snatch us up and lock us down with no trial, no hearings, no recourse, just because he or his people want to. My bet is we'll have that before the year is out.


We best wake up before we find ourselves using a roll of toilet paper as a pillow because we gave voice to not liking the way things are going...

[5.0 svo]

That is quite frightening. While he uses Guantanamo and al quieda as examples it could very easily be any of us that he locks up for as long as he likes.

People, this shit is getting painfully real like right now. That video is outlining the powers to just snatch us up and lock us down with no trial, no hearings, no recourse, just because he or his people want to. My bet is we'll have that before the year is out.


We best wake up before we find ourselves using a roll of toilet paper as a pillow because we gave voice to not liking the way things are going...

You don't think that if a terrorist says he is going to do something catastrophic to the United States he should be locked up? In the United States you can be locked up for threatening to kill someone. Its called a terroristic threat.
The only other alternative is to let those people go. They will be heroes in their own society and will surely chase after their cause. Are you saying they should all be set free?

[Fox466]

You don't think that if a terrorist says he is going to do something catastrophic to the United States he should be locked up? In the United States you can be locked up for threatening to kill someone. Its called a terroristic threat.
The only other alternative is to let those people go. They will be heroes in their own society and will surely chase after their cause. Are you saying they should all be set free?



You have no powers of comprehension at all, do you? Re-read what I typed and then point out to me where I said terrorists can't/shouldn't be locked up.

Then admit that you're a fucking idiot for not picking up on where I typed WE could be locked up for voicing dissension. For as long as they like, with no trial, no recourse, no nothing. You did listen to the chick where she says the same damned thing towards the end fo the clip didn't you?

[mikeb]

A few observations from that video.

1. Obama is *still* blaming bush. I just don't see that flying for much longer, even with the obama supporters.

2. On the most liberal network (msnbc), with one of the most liberal hosts (maddow), even they are beginning to question obamas policies - very interesting. Could this be the beginning of the media turning on das furher?

3. Today obama wants to lock up terrorists without due process. Tomorrow it could be disgruntled vets (terrorists according to the government), or anyone that disagrees with obamas policies (you and me). Very, very scary. Isn't locking up the dissenters a cornerstone of a dictatorship?

4. I pray to God that in 2010 these idiots are voted out, because you know that pelosi and reid and the rest of the brownshirts will go right along with whatever obama wants.

[MR TINFOIL HAT]

You don't think that if a terrorist says he is going to do something catastrophic to the United States he should be locked up? In the United States you can be locked up for threatening to kill someone. Its called a terroristic threat.
The only other alternative is to let those people go. They will be heroes in their own society and will surely chase after their cause. Are you saying they should all be set free?

The only REAL TERRORISTS we have to worry about are in the white house and federal reserve!

[5.0 svo]

You have no powers of comprehension at all, do you? Re-read what I typed and then point out to me where I said terrorists can't/shouldn't be locked up.

Then admit that you're a fucking idiot for not picking up on where I typed WE could be locked up for voicing dissension. For as long as they like, with no trial, no recourse, no nothing. You did listen to the chick where she says the same damned thing towards the end fo the clip didn't you?

Ok lets go back to your original post. You said
That is quite frightening. While he uses Guantanamo and al quieda as examples it could very easily be any of us that he locks up for as long as he likes.

People, this shit is getting painfully real like right now. That video is outlining the powers to just snatch us up and lock us down with no trial, no hearings, no recourse, just because he or his people want to. My bet is we'll have that before the year is out.


We best wake up before we find ourselves using a roll of toilet paper as a pillow because we gave voice to not liking the way things are going...
If I am not mistaken didn't he say it wouldn't be the choice of any single one man? Did he or did he not say it would be up to Congress to make that decision?
I am sorry but voicing your opinion is not a threat to the masses. Unless your opinion is that you should crash a plane into a nuclear power plant or smuggle a nuclear bomb into a port in Houston. If that is your opinion go ahead and voice it because if you do, I hope they lock your ass up.

[5.0 svo]

The only REAL TERRORISTS we have to worry about are in the white house and federal reserve!

If you believe that, then you need to go live in Afghanistan.

[CoorsLightCoupe]

What a shady sack of shit. Sure, i promote the 'enhanced interrogation tactics' and shit they used in Gitmo, because pieces of shit that are involved in trying to attack this country should be stopped at all costs, but this is ridiculous. I guarantee the next step is putting their so-called "Domestic terrorists" in the same group, and locking us up because they fear the people. They'll try to make it sound like anyone who owns a high-powered 'Assault' rifle is going to use it to perform a crime in the future. Sure, we could argue our case in trial and be cleared easily, but this bullshit process this fuckstick is talking about is skipping all that shit, and it's un-fucking-called for.

[MR TINFOIL HAT]

If you believe that, then you need to go live in Afghanistan.

Not only do I believe it but it's all unfolding right in front of our eyes. Terrorists are boogie men in caves who will never be caught, done intentionally so the war on terror/terrorism never ends. The people then remain scared and give up their rights at the flash of a scary breaking bs news story. Get it? Our money is controlled by a private bank, which controls our government! You don't see a problem with this? I'm my book they are the most dangerous terrorist possible to the American people.

[89gt-stanger]

Not only do I believe it but it's all unfolding right in front of our eyes. Terrorists are boogie men in caves who will never be caught, done intentionally so the war on terror/terrorism never ends. The people then remain scared and give up their rights at the flash of a scary breaking bs news story. Get it? Our money is controlled by a private bank, which controls our government! You don't see a problem with this? I'm my book they are the most dangerous terrorist possible to the American people.

Wow.... If you are serious, this has to be one of the biggest loads of crap I have seen on here. You think like a 10-yr. old.

[Paladin]

Not only do I believe it but it's all unfolding right in front of our eyes. Terrorists are boogie men in caves who will never be caught, done intentionally so the war on terror/terrorism never ends. The people then remain scared and give up their rights at the flash of a scary breaking bs news story. Get it? Our money is controlled by a private bank, which controls our government! You don't see a problem with this? I'm my book they are the most dangerous terrorist possible to the American people.

Let me guess, you are a RP supporter? :crackhead:

[Fox466]

If I am not mistaken didn't he say it wouldn't be the choice of any single one man? Did he or did he not say it would be up to Congress to make that decision?
I am sorry but voicing your opinion is not a threat to the masses. Unless your opinion is that you should crash a plane into a nuclear power plant or smuggle a nuclear bomb into a port in Houston. If that is your opinion go ahead and voice it because if you do, I hope they lock your ass up.


Yes, we need congress making those decisions. You know, the ones that are supposed to be made IN COURT. Congress, the same group of fucksticks who pass bill after bill that we the people DO NOT AGREE WITH. Those are exactly the ones I want making decisions on whether or not to lock someone up who doesn't agree with what they are doing. If you can't see how the gov't abuses the powers they already have and are continually making grabs for more power you're more dense than you have always seemed to be.

Not sure how to break it down any further as even you should be able to get a handle on this thought process...

[MR TINFOIL HAT]

Let me guess, you are a RP supporter? :crackhead:

You must have gotten that dhs memo that links RP supporters to terrorists. I think he raises some valid points, but I think the whole system is corrupt and needs a completely new start without the federal reserves slimy fingers in our government.

[Paladin]

You must have gotten that dhs memo that links RP supporters to terrorists. I think he raises some valid points, but I think the whole system is corrupt and needs a completely new start without the federal reserves slimy fingers in our government.

Your decision to ignore the question is all I needed. LOL

You think the guys who flew the planes into all the buildings and killed all those people were boogy men? Or the American government did it?

[Paladin]

You have no powers of comprehension at all, do you? Re-read what I typed and then point out to me where I said terrorists can't/shouldn't be locked up.

Then admit that you're a fucking idiot for not picking up on where I typed WE could be locked up for voicing dissension. For as long as they like, with no trial, no recourse, no nothing. You did listen to the chick where she says the same damned thing towards the end fo the clip didn't you?

Sig check Mike!

[Fox466]

Sig check Mike!


Lol! Both parts are applicable brotha...

[MR TINFOIL HAT]

Your decision to ignore the question is all I needed. LOL

You think the guys who flew the planes into all the buildings and killed all those people were boogy men? Or the American government did it?

I wasn't ignoring anything. No I don't support RP or anyone in our government at all.

I think we will never know the truth about 9/11 So I can't say for sure about who flew the planes into the buildings. I don't think our government did it, but I'll tell you what I do know, they had prior knowledge, ignored warnings, and did absolutely nothing to stop it. There's so many problems with our governments story of 9/11 that it's fucking ridiculous. Here's a movie for you that's not made by conspiracy people, it's made by the victims families of 9/11 and shows you exactly how our wonderful government acts and treated these people. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSVgnsIJH4Y

[347Mike]

Someone needs to end this. Like last month.......

[Fox466]

Someone needs to end this. Like last month.......



Pack your bag mister! There will be a knock on your door in a couple more minutes...

[Paladin]

I wasn't ignoring anything. No I don't support RP or anyone in our government at all.

I think we will never know the truth about 9/11 So I can't say for sure about who flew the planes into the buildings. I don't think our government did it, but I'll tell you what I do know, they had prior knowledge, ignored warnings, and did absolutely nothing to stop it. There's so many problems with our governments story of 9/11 that it's fucking ridiculous. Here's a movie for you that's not made by conspiracy people, it's made by the victims families of 9/11 and shows you exactly how our wonderful government acts and treated these people. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSVgnsIJH4Y

LOL, yeah, okay. I hope you know you are on the lunatic fringe of sanity. You have the right to be there and all, but you are there no doubt.

[MR TINFOIL HAT]

LOL, yeah, okay. I hope you know you are on the lunatic fringe of sanity. You have the right to be there and all, but you are there no doubt.

That's a typical response. I expected nothing less. If you can't look at things with a open mind just play the conspiracy nut job card. Say what you will, but the facts are undeniable and our government can't be trusted. I understand you're part of the government and are most likely in denial or just turning a blind eye. You'll see one day. You really should watch the video I linked above. It will at least give you another view of what happened.

[Paladin]

That's a typical response. I expected nothing less. If you can't look at things with a open mind just play the conspiracy nut job card. Say what you will, but the facts are undeniable and our government can't be trusted. I understand you're part of the government and are most likely in denial or just turning a blind eye. You'll see one day. You really should watch the video I linked above. It will at least give you another view of what happened.


Your response is very typical alos. You are the enlightened becuase you believe the conspiracy BS, you are the only one who understands, you have information and knowledge others don't, you are the only one with an open mind becuase you have watched some video and buy it hook, line and sinker.

I have seen all the shows, videos, and listened to all the theories about 9/11.

BTW, why does it mean that just because I don't see the government as actively taking part in killing it's own citizens like you do that I blindly trust the government? That is pretty much what anyone thinks who claims the government knew about the 9/11 attacks before they happened and did nothing about them. I agree government failed miserably to stop them and probably should have known, but to say they actually knew planes were going to fly into building on 9/11 and did nothing is a huge stretch.

I am not really interested in getting in some long argument with you, but adjust the tin foil hat dude, your reception is getting out of whack.

[MR TINFOIL HAT]

Your response is very typical alos. You are the enlightened becuase you believe the conspiracy BS, you are the only one who understands, you have information and knowledge others don't, you are the only one with an open mind because you have watched some video and buy it hook, line and sinker.

I have seen all the shows, videos, and listened to all the theories about 9/11.

BTW, why does it mean that just because I don't see the government as actively taking part in killing it's own citizens like you do that I blindly trust the government? That is pretty much what anyone thinks who claims the government knew about the 9/11 attacks before they happened and did nothing about them. I agree government failed miserably to stop them and probably should have known, but to say they actually knew planes were going to fly into building on 9/11 and did nothing is a huge stretch.

I am not really interested in getting in some long argument with you, but adjust the tin foil hat dude, your reception is getting out of whack.It's not a huge stretch, it's a fact they knew about the terrorists. Here's one link and I have several more that show you to be 100% wrong about prior knowledge. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/22/national/22PILO.html They had several warnings. I'll find some more links for proof for you if that's what you actually believe.
If you took the time to watch that video I linked you just might have a different perspective. Spend the 90 minutes and give it a look it's based on facts not speculation. I'm not making this shit up, it's just not covered by the media so most never see/hear about it. I never claimed I know everything. I'm just sharing what I believe to be truth nothing more/less.

[Paladin]

It's not a huge stretch, it's a fact they knew about the terrorists. Here's one link and I have several more that show you to be 100% wrong about prior knowledge. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/22/national/22PILO.html They had several warnings. I'll find some more links for proof for you if that's what you actually believe.
If you took the time to watch that video I linked you just might have a different perspective. Spend the 90 minutes and give it a look it's based on facts not speculation. I'm not making this shit up, it's just not covered by the media so most never see/hear about it. I never claimed I know everything. I'm just sharing what I believe to be truth nothing more/less.

It is a stretch to say that the morning of 9/11/01 the government knew about the plot and did nothing. I think everyone knows the government should have prevented it, but that was incompetence on their part. To say they were premeditated accomplices in the planning, execution, and then a coverup is lunacy dude.

Hell, most of us knew that terrorists were attacking us after the 1993 WTC attack.

[347Mike]

Pack your bag mister! There will be a knock on your door in a couple more minutes...

I find this all really terrifying. Ive been acting like an ostrich with it's head in the sand when it comes the president, media, etc.. I figure there is nothing I can do but hope it's all talk.

[MR TINFOIL HAT]

To say they were premeditated accomplices in the planning, execution, and then a coverup is lunacy dude.

No it's not. It's par for the course for the power hungry banking cartel and the presidents they control. They have the power and money to do something like this, the best part is they have the average person (like yourself) defending them when someone like me comes along and has a different version of those events. They don't even have to defend themselves or answer to anyone. Please watch that video it's worth it.

[Sean88gt]

Ok lets go back to your original post. You said

If I am not mistaken didn't he say it wouldn't be the choice of any single one man? Did he or did he not say it would be up to Congress to make that decision?
I am sorry but voicing your opinion is not a threat to the masses. Unless your opinion is that you should crash a plane into a nuclear power plant or smuggle a nuclear bomb into a port in Houston. If that is your opinion go ahead and voice it because if you do, I hope they lock your ass up.

A group of his suckass minions? No thanks. He'll tell them what to think and how to act and they'll do it. This guy is evil.

[Paladin]

No it's not. It's par for the course for the power hungry banking cartel and the presidents they control. They have the power and money to do something like this, the best part is they have the average person (like yourself) defending them when someone like me comes along and has a different version of those events. They don't even have to defend themselves or answer to anyone. Please watch that video it's worth it.

Yep, you are enlightened and I am just a follower of the hungry banking cartel. :rolleyes:

[MR TINFOIL HAT]

Yep, you are enlightened and I am just a follower of the hungry banking cartel. :rolleyes:

I'm not enlightened, smarter, better, or anything different than anyone else. I'm just stating what is going on. If I came across as "the enlightened one" it wasn't my intentions. Seriously just give that documentary a chance it's worth the time. It gives you a perspective that's quite different then the one the news has shown to the people. That's all I'm saying. Look at both sides of this story and you'll see some disturbing conflicts. There's nothing conspiracy about it everything is documented and referenced.

[Hass]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uuWVHT1WUY


Their coming to take me away Ha, Ha,


At least with the British attacking we had warning. One if by land, two if by sea.

Want's the warning if commies by president?

The "one if by land, two if by sea" that you are referring to from Paul Revere's midnight ride was not to warn of the British attacking the Colonists, it was to alert John Hancock and Samuel Adams as to the movements of the British troops. The British troops were not attempting an attack on the Colonists, but instead were going to seize a cache of arms in an attempt to disarm them. Had the British succeeded in seizing the Colonists weapons, it probably would have had a serious impact on the United States as we know it. That is why that moment is so important in our nation's history.

I hope that this information will help those who were unjustly taught by our educational system like I was. Perhaps if had we spent more time learning about the great things that were done to build this country instead of focusing on the negatives like some of my teachers did, people as a whole would have more pride for our country instead of wondering why they should support it.

RIP to those brave men who had the strength to do what was needed and long live Constitutional Amendment II.

[5.0 svo]

perhaps if had we spent more time learning about the great things that were done to build this country instead of focusing on the negatives like some of my teachers did, people as a whole would have more pride for our country instead of wondering why they should support it.

Rip to those brave men who had the strength to do what was needed and long live constitutional amendment ii.

x2

[JP135]

I think anyone who can watch that video and not immediately see the next logical step will be locking up citizens of the United States is delusional. Whatever happened to criminal court, a trial and a jury of my peers deciding my fate? What about the appeals process as a guaranteed safeguard against wrongful convictions?

This scares the living hell out of me. How far have we come in less than a year with this man in office?

Sure, 2010 is coming, but by then will it be to late? Will we be long since declared enemies of the state and locked in a gulag someplace?

[GhostTX]

I think anyone who can watch that video and not immediately see the next logical step will be locking up citizens of the United States is delusional. Whatever happened to criminal court, a trial and a jury of my peers deciding my fate? What about the appeals process as a guaranteed safeguard against wrongful convictions?

This scares the living hell out of me. How far have we come in less than a year with this man in office?

Sure, 2010 is coming, but by then will it be to late? Will we be long since declared enemies of the state and locked in a gulag someplace?

I was thinking along similar lines. Remember the big stink on Homeland Securities new terrorist list?

[5.0 svo]

I think anyone who can watch that video and not immediately see the next logical step will be locking up citizens of the United States is delusional. Whatever happened to criminal court, a trial and a jury of my peers deciding my fate? What about the appeals process as a guaranteed safeguard against wrongful convictions?

This scares the living hell out of me. How far have we come in less than a year with this man in office?

Sure, 2010 is coming, but by then will it be to late? Will we be long since declared enemies of the state and locked in a gulag someplace?

I some what agree with you there. I guess what we need to do is come up with a better solution to keep masterminds that plan to destroy America locked up.
If they have evidence that would convince congress to lock them up, why cant they just use that to charge them?

[JP135]

I was thinking along similar lines. Remember the big stink on Homeland Securities new terrorist list?

That's what I'm screaming. All it'd take is some bureaucrat to decide you or I meet the criteria on some checklist, and boom, we're suddenly terrorists and subject to indefinite detention.

I some what agree with you there. I guess what we need to do is come up with a better solution to keep masterminds that plan to destroy America locked up.
If they have evidence that would convince congress to lock them up, why cant they just use that to charge them?

My point exactly. We have a military tribunal system for enemy combatants and we have a civilian criminal justice system for criminals. Why would they possibly need this new system... unless they plan on doing things that either of the aforementioned systems wouldn't allow (such as treating US citizens as enemy combatants).

And we DID have a system to prosecute the terrorists; GITMO. It was operating fine and was within legal standards, until The Chosen One decided he needed to dismantle the entire thing and start over.

[5.0 svo]

That's what I'm screaming. All it'd take is some bureaucrat to decide you or I meet the criteria on some checklist, and boom, we're suddenly terrorists and subject to indefinite detention.



My point exactly. We have a military tribunal system for enemy combatants and we have a civilian criminal justice system for criminals. Why would they possibly need this new system... unless they plan on doing things that either of the aforementioned systems wouldn't allow (such as treating US citizens as enemy combatants).

And we DID have a system to prosecute the terrorists; GITMO. It was operating fine and was within legal standards, until The Chosen One decided he needed to dismantle the entire thing and start over.

Well we need to make laws in conjunction with those that say if you are a US citizen, your rights can not be taken away.

[5.0 svo]

The biggest problem I see with locking these terrorists up is sentencing. How do you sentence them? You cant let them out in 5 years, maybe even 10 to 20. We would have to amend our own laws to make it steeper for them. I think I like the idea of going through congress better.