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06-29-2009, 10:44 AM
Court rules FOR white firefighters on promotions


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_supreme_court_firefighters_lawsuit

WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court ruled Monday that white firefighters in New Haven, Conn., were unfairly denied promotions because of their race, reversing a decision that high court nominee Sonia Sotomayor endorsed as an appeals court judge.

New Haven was wrong to scrap a promotion exam because no African-Americans and only two Hispanic firefighters were likely to be made lieutenants or captains based on the results, the court said Monday in a 5-4 decision. The city said that it had acted to avoid a lawsuit from minorities.

The ruling could alter employment practices nationwide and make it harder to prove discrimination when there is no evidence it was intentional.

"Fear of litigation alone cannot justify an employer's reliance on race to the detriment of individuals who passed the examinations and qualified for promotions," Justice Anthony Kennedy said in his opinion for the court. He was joined by Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Samuel Alito, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas.

In dissent, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said the white firefighters "understandably attract this court's sympathy. But they had no vested right to promotion. Nor have other persons received promotions in preference to them."

Justices Stephen Breyer, David Souter and John Paul Stevens signed onto Ginsburg's dissent, which she read aloud in court Monday.

Kennedy's opinion made only passing reference to the work of Sotomayor and the other two judges on the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals who upheld a lower court ruling in favor of New Haven.

But the appellate judges have been criticized for producing a cursory opinion that failed to deal with "indisputably complex and far from well-settled" questions, in the words of another appeals court judge, Sotomayor mentor Jose Cabranes.

"This perfunctory disposition rests uneasily with the weighty issues presented by this appeal," Cabranes said, in a dissent from the full 2nd Circuit's decision not to hear the case.

Sen. Patrick Leahy, chairman of the Judiciary Committee, said Sotomayor should not be criticized for the unsigned appeals court decision, which he asserted she did not write. "Judge Sotomayor and the lower court panel did what judges are supposed to do, they followed precedent," said the Vermont Democrat who will preside over Sotomayor's confirmation hearings next month.

Leahy also called the high court decision "cramped" and wrong.

In New Haven, Nancy Ricci, whose son, Frank, was the lead plaintiff on the lawsuit, carried a large cake decorated with red, white and blue frosting into the law office where the firefighters were celebrating their victory.

Ricci's father, Jim Ricci said the ruling is a victory for firefighters across the country. "Now we're going to get the best managers as far as firefighters go. That's really important," Ricci said.

Monday's decision has its origins in New Haven's need to fill vacancies for lieutenants and captains in its fire department. It hired an outside firm to design a test, which was given to 77 candidates for lieutenant and 41 candidates for captain.

Fifty six firefighters passed the exams, including 41 whites, 22 blacks and 18 Hispanics. But of those, only 17 whites and two Hispanics could expect promotion.

The city eventually decided not to use the exam to determine promotions. It said it acted because it might have been vulnerable to claims that the exam had a "disparate impact" on minorities in violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

The white firefighters said the decision violated the same law's prohibition on intentional discrimination.

Kennedy said an employer needs a "strong basis in evidence" to believe it will be held liable in a disparate impact lawsuit. New Haven had no such evidence, he said.

The city declined to validate the test after it was given, a step that could have identified flaws or determined that there were no serious problems with it. In addition, city officials could not say what was wrong with the test, other than the racially skewed results.

"The city could be liable for disparate-impact discrimination only if the examinations were not job related" or the city failed to use a less discriminatory alternative, Kennedy said. "We conclude that there is no strong basis in evidence to establish that the test was deficient in either of these respects."

But Ginsburg said the court should have assessed "the starkly disparate results" of the exams against the backdrop of historical and ongoing inequality in the New Haven fire department. As of 2003, she said, only one of the city's 21 fire captains was African-American.

Until this decision, Ginsburg said, the civil rights law's prohibitions on intentional discrimination and disparate impact were complementary, both aimed at ending workplace discrimination.

"Today's decision sets these paired directives at odds," she said.

forever_frost
06-29-2009, 11:02 AM
Did you notice where Ginsburg basically said "we need more blacks. There has only been one captain who was black." Maybe someone should explain racism more carefully to her

Sean88gt
06-29-2009, 12:26 PM
Sotomywhore will explain racism to her..

Sgt Beavis
06-29-2009, 12:35 PM
Did you notice where Ginsburg basically said "we need more blacks. There has only been one captain who was black." Maybe someone should explain racism more carefully to her

No, that is discrimination, not racism. The two are related but distinctly different.

Sotomywhore will explain racism to her..

Not likely since she is Ginsburg's replacement.

Sean88gt
06-29-2009, 12:39 PM
No, that is discrimination, not racism. The two are related but distinctly different.



Not likely since she is Ginsburg's replacement.

Umm..No she isn't. She is replacing Bush 1's biggest mistake, Souter.

Sgt Beavis
06-29-2009, 01:19 PM
Umm..No she isn't. She is replacing Bush 1's biggest mistake, Souter.

You're right. I forgot about that. Ginsburg is likely to leave due to medical issues but she hasn't said that she is stepping down.

Sean88gt
06-29-2009, 01:21 PM
You're right. I forgot about that. Ginsburg is likely to leave due to medical issues but she hasn't said that she is stepping down.

I've never prayed more for someone's health to be restored than her's. I want her to live until the next Conservative President.

thesource
06-29-2009, 01:24 PM
Sotomayor has been shot down once more for a poor decision....... I think we should reward her with a promotion to the Supreme Court.

GT Dan
06-29-2009, 01:36 PM
Did you notice where Ginsburg basically said "we need more blacks. There has only been one captain who was black." Maybe someone should explain racism more carefully to her

No, that is discrimination, not racism. The two are related but distinctly different.

The ruling that denied these guy promotion was discrimination.

Her ranting about a latina female making a better decision that a white guy is racism.

:D - she's a winner for sure...

Sotomayor has been shot down once more for a poor decision....... I think we should reward her with a promotion to the Supreme Court.

Of her decisions that went to the Supreme Court, 60% have been reversed...

Slammy
06-29-2009, 11:06 PM
cant wait till the minorities teach the evil white people a lesson for being "racists"

Hass
06-29-2009, 11:29 PM
Sotomayor has been shot down once more for a poor decision....... I think we should reward her with a promotion to the Supreme Court.

LOL!

And :yell: at the same time because it's going to happen.

Fox466
06-29-2009, 11:36 PM
cant wait till the minorities teach the evil white people a lesson for being "racists"



Sadly the whites are probably the least racist of all...

mikeb
06-30-2009, 12:41 AM
cant wait till the minorities teach the evil white people a lesson for being "racists"

Its not gonna be too long until the white people ARE minorities according to demographic data that i've read. It'll be interesting then if the previous minorities are interested in the same rights that they have been campaigning for all of these years, when they would apply to white people.

Slammy
06-30-2009, 12:48 AM
Thats exactly what i was getting at. Its gonna be KILL WHITEY for all the shit we supposedly have done to them. I like how when talking about slavery how blacks forget that it was also white people that said it was wrong and DIED to change it. They act like they had to changed, umm no it was the white people themselves who brought the change on thru sacrifice.

The mexicans now days just think that white people are lazy and that since they have done alot of the construction in the last few decades that they deserve the country or something. Oh really? What about all the white immigrants who built everything the first time? Im sure the millions of irish railroad workers would have alot to say about that!

BP
06-30-2009, 08:43 AM
Sotomayor has been shot down once more for a poor decision....... I think we should reward her with a promotion to the Supreme Court.

5 out of 6 so far.

line-em-up
06-30-2009, 09:00 AM
Sadly the whites are probably the least racist of all...


We'll find out soon enough.

line-em-up
06-30-2009, 09:05 AM
Thats exactly what i was getting at. Its gonna be KILL WHITEY for all the shit we supposedly have done to them. I like how when talking about slavery how blacks forget that it was also white people that said it was wrong and DIED to change it. They act like they had to changed, umm no it was the white people themselves who brought the change on thru sacrifice.

The mexicans now days just think that white people are lazy and that since they have done alot of the construction in the last few decades that they deserve the country or something. Oh really? What about all the white immigrants who built everything the first time? Im sure the millions of irish railroad workers would have alot to say about that!

Speaking of Messicans. I guess our crazy ass California neighbors decided they had enough of their nasty ass goats. When we drove by their house about 6PM, they had a big sign on their fence that said, "FREE GOATS". One of us remarked, "It won't take long before a messican comes in to get them". By 7pm, there were 2 messican goat roapers out there rounding them up. I bet someone is having a BBQ this weekend.