Interesting thing about this swine flu

[TexasDevilDog]

When Associated Press journalists entered the farm on Monday, the cars were sprayed with water. Manager Victor Ochoa required the visitors to shower and don white overalls, rubber boots and masks before entering any of the 18 warehouses where 15,000 pigs are kept.
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Mexican Agriculture Department officials said Monday that its inspectors found no sign of swine flu among pigs around the farm in Veracruz, and that no infected pigs have been found yet anywhere in Mexico.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hROQeIs-igcvLYIjF4rOb36RMgpgD97RC80O0

Out of the 15,000 pigs around Veracruz none are sick. No pig in mexico has been found sick.

[Vertnut]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hROQeIs-igcvLYIjF4rOb36RMgpgD97RC80O0

Out of the 15,000 pigs around Veracruz none are sick. No pig in mexico has been found sick.

Maybe not, but they could start dropping like flies overnight. They don't know what in the hell they're doing. It's like when Jesus left Mexico City, and said,"Ya'll don't do anything until I get back"...:tongue:

[46Tbird]

Maybe our government really IS made up entirely of swine? I always thought so.

[Denny]

Now that we have our first death (23 month old Texas baby), hopefully there will be more research into this. Something tells me there's more to this Vector than just a flu strain.

[MR TINFOIL HAT]

When they scare enough people into taking the vaccine shot that they concoct, they'll have achieved their goal. They will have killed some people which is part of their depopulation plan, then the stock in tamiflu that they bought 3 weeks ago will be through the roof. Win/Win for them.

[AL P]

When they scare enough people into taking the vaccine shot that they concoct, they'll have achieved their goal. They will have killed some people which is part of their depopulation plan, then the stock in tamiflu that they bought 3 weeks ago will be through the roof. Win/Win for them.

Yes, this is all the work of whiteys and Jews.

[Denny]

Yes, this is all the work of whiteys and Jews.

Ain't nuthin wrong with a Jew being a Jew.

[Cooter]

oh noze, teh flu is killin' folks!! :eek:

[MR TINFOIL HAT]

Yes, this is all the work of whiteys and Jews.

In all seriousness who knows what the fuck is going on. I just don't trust these fucking idiots in office at all!

[centexchick]

Now that we have our first death (23 month old Texas baby), hopefully there will be more research into this. Something tells me there's more to this Vector than just a flu strain.

It is sad, but it was not a Texas baby....it was a child brought to Texas for treatment from Mexico.

[Sean88gt]

It is sad, but it was not a Texas baby....it was a child brought to Texas for treatment from Mexico.

Greatness! What about Mexico's government run health care system? Why would they want to leave a Utopian system like that for the dogshit medical care that the US has?!:oops:

[black01gt]

Greatness! What about Mexico's government run health care system? Why would they want to leave a Utopian system like that for the dogshit medical care that the US has?!:oops:
Mexico's healthcare system a utopia? I don't believe I've ever heard that one.

[Sean88gt]

Mexico's healthcare system a utopia? I don't believe I've ever heard that one.

The point was not Mexico's system, but a government run system.

[Fox466]

The point was not Mexico's system, but a government run system.



See, that's the problem. The left is so damned blinded by their sheepshit that they can't/won't admit it doesn't work. Canadians cross the border in record numbers for our health system, so you can't say it's just a Mexican thing. It's a governmentally run disaster, plain and simple.

[bobs94formula]

he he he I did some reading on the swine flu and it first showed up at a military base, Fort Dix, in 1976. Out of the 200 soliders who were infected only 1 died. Although 500 people died from the "vaccine" they created.

[thesource]

I think this whole thing seems a little fishy as well. I keep thinking about the Dr. in Dallas that said it was created in a lab and was a strain they have never seen before.

[BP]

I think this whole thing seems a little fishy as well. I keep thinking about the Dr. in Dallas that said it was created in a lab and was a strain they have never seen before.

The economy is in the tank, we have a president and congress with their heads up their asses and the entire country is shutting down for weeks over a flu outbreak that started in Mexico during Obama's visit. It's probably all a coincidence.

[Ylw 98~~SNAKE~~]

Im making BLT's for lunch i dont care about the mexican flu!

[Vertnut]

Mexico's healthcare system a utopia? I don't believe I've ever heard that one.

If you don't pay cash, you die, no matter the issue, even surgery. My mother's been living there for 7 years, and comes back the US for any type of medical attention.

[Hass]

When they scare enough people into taking the vaccine shot that they concoct, they'll have achieved their goal. They will have killed some people which is part of their depopulation plan, then the stock in tamiflu that they bought 3 weeks ago will be through the roof. Win/Win for them.

Did you just watch V for Vendetta?

http://www.canmag.com/images/front/movies20052/vforvendetta12.jpg

[Denny]

Did the whole Ft. Worth School District close until May 8th?!?!

[AL P]

Did the whole Ft. Worth School District close until May 8th?!?!

Yep

[MR TINFOIL HAT]

Did you just watch V for Vendetta?

http://www.canmag.com/images/front/movies20052/vforvendetta12.jpg

No I just don't trust the Government since they are habitual liars.

[Denny]

I would have thought there would be a thread about it, followed by several reposts.

[Slowhand]

LOL at the conspiracy theorists. This is high quality shit.

[bjtheman1]

My Carnival Cruise just changed it's destinations due to the swine flu!

[Denny]

LOL at the conspiracy theorists. This is high quality shit.

I wouldn't rule out some sort of conspiracy... I don't want to speculate either. I guess I wouldn't be surprised either way.

[bjtheman1]

Got this from CNN:

1. Hasn't swine flu been around for a while?

Yes. Swine flu was first identified in 1930 when researchers isolated the virus in a pig. In 1976, more than 200 soldiers at Fort Dix, New Jersey, got swine flu. From 1976 until 2005, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention received approximately one report every year or two of humans with swine flu. From December 2005 until January 2009, there were 12 cases of swine flu reported.



I just don't understand how a virus as potent as this "swine flu" goes away almost completely but then returns so many years later as strong as it is said.

Just seems a bit shady to me

[BP]

My Carnival Cruise just changed it's destinations due to the swine flu!

The Conquest is skipping Cozumel this week and spending an extra day at sea. One confirmed case on the entire island. It seems like they'd do anything to keep Cozumel safe and on the tourist map, even closing the ferry service to the mainland.

[MR TINFOIL HAT]

I just don't understand how a virus as potent as this "swine flu" goes away almost completely but then returns so many years later as strong as it is said.

Just seems a bit shady to me

Exactly.

[black01gt]

If you don't pay cash, you die, no matter the issue, even surgery. My mother's been living there for 7 years, and comes back the US for any type of medical attention.
Well I certainly don't blame her.

[Paladin]

The point was not Mexico's system, but a government run system.

He's not exactly known for getting the point.

[Strychnine]

I just don't understand how a virus as potent as this "swine flu" goes away almost completely but then returns so many years later as strong as it is said.

Just seems a bit shady to me


It's not the same strain. Same family... not the same strain.


When they say H1N1, or H5N1, or some other influenza A name, the H and N refer to the virus' surface proteins or RNA strands (haemagglutinin and neuraminidase... there are 16 possible H's and 9 possible N's). Past those 2, there are 6 RNA strands that make up Influenza A. The "H" is the big player though, that's the one that determines the viability in the host.


So each virus subtype (ie. H1N1) can mutate into a number of different strains.



It's being called "swine flu" because it originated in pigs (there are 5 main species variants out there). It is being compared to 1918, because they are both of the H1N1 subtype.


They (1918 Spanish and the current "Swine") are both H1N1, the are not both A/2009 H1N1.

[GhostTX]

Someone just making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Scientists see this flu strain as relatively mild
Genetic data indicate this outbreak won't be as deadly as that of 1918, or even the average winter.

By Karen Kaplan and Alan Zarembo
April 30, 2009

As the World Health Organization raised its infectious disease alert level Wednesday and health officials confirmed the first death linked to swine flu inside U.S. borders, scientists studying the virus are coming to the consensus that this hybrid strain of influenza -- at least in its current form -- isn't shaping up to be as fatal as the strains that caused some previous pandemics.

In fact, the current outbreak of the H1N1 virus, which emerged in San Diego and southern Mexico late last month, may not even do as much damage as the run-of-the-mill flu outbreaks that occur each winter without much fanfare.

"Let's not lose track of the fact that the normal seasonal influenza is a huge public health problem that kills tens of thousands of people in the U.S. alone and hundreds of thousands around the world," said Dr. Christopher Olsen, a molecular virologist who studies swine flu at the University of Wisconsin School of Veterinary Medicine in Madison.

His remarks Wednesday came the same day Texas authorities announced that a nearly 2-year-old boy with the virus had died in a Houston hospital Monday.

"Any time someone dies, it's heartbreaking for their families and friends," Olsen said. "But we do need to keep this in perspective."

Flu viruses are known to be notoriously unpredictable, and this strain could mutate at any point -- becoming either more benign or dangerously severe. But mounting preliminary evidence from genetics labs, epidemiology models and simple mathematics suggests that the worst-case scenarios are likely to be avoided in the current outbreak.

"This virus doesn't have anywhere near the capacity to kill like the 1918 virus," which claimed an estimated 50 million victims worldwide, said Richard Webby, a leading influenza virologist at St. Jude Children's Research Hospital in Memphis, Tenn.

When the current virus was first identified, the similarities between it and the 1918 flu seemed ominous.

Both arose in the spring at the tail end of the flu season. Both seemed to strike people who were young and healthy instead of the elderly and infants. Both were H1N1 strains, so called because they had the same types of two key proteins that are largely responsible for a virus' ability to infect and spread.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the National Institutes of Health published genetic sequence data Monday morning of flu samples isolated from patients in California and Texas, and thousands of scientists immediately began downloading the information. Comparisons to known killers -- such as the 1918 strain and the highly lethal H5N1 avian virus -- have since provided welcome news.

"There are certain characteristics, molecular signatures, which this virus lacks," said Peter Palese, a microbiologist and influenza expert at Mt. Sinai Medical Center in New York. In particular, the swine flu lacks an amino acid that appears to increase the number of virus particles in the lungs and make the disease more deadly.

Scientists have identified several other differences between the current virus and its 1918 predecessor, but the significance of those differences is still unclear, said Dr. Scott Layne, an epidemiologist at the UCLA School of Public Health.

Ralph Tripp, an influenza expert at the University of Georgia, said that his early analysis of the virus' protein-making instructions suggested that people exposed to the 1957 flu pandemic -- which killed up to 2 million people worldwide -- may have some immunity to the new strain.

That could explain why older people have been spared in Mexico, where the swine flu has been most deadly.

The swine virus does appear able to spread easily among humans, which persuaded the WHO to boost its influenza pandemic alert level to phase 5, indicating that a worldwide outbreak of infection is very likely. And the CDC reported on its website that "a pattern of more severe illness associated with the virus may be emerging in the United States."

"We expect to see more cases, more hospitalizations, and, unfortunately, we are likely to see more deaths from the outbreak," Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius told reporters Wednesday on her first day at work.

But certainly nothing that would dwarf a typical flu season. In the U.S., between 5% and 20% of the population becomes ill and 36,000 people die -- a mortality rate of between 0.24% and 0.96%.

Dirk Brockmann, a professor of engineering and applied mathematics at Northwestern University in Evanston, Ill., used a computer model of human travel patterns to predict how this swine flu virus would spread in the worst-case scenario, in which nothing is done to contain the disease.

After four weeks, almost 1,700 people in the U.S. would have symptoms, including 198 in Los Angeles, according to his model. That's just a fraction of the county's thousands of yearly flu victims.

Just because the virus is being identified in a growing number of places -- including Austria, Canada, Germany, Israel, New Zealand, Spain and Britain -- doesn't mean it's spreading particularly quickly, Olsen said.

"You don't ever find anything that you don't look for," he said. "Now that diagnostic laboratories and physicians and other healthcare workers know to look for it, perhaps it's not surprising that you're going to see additional cases identified."

And a pandemic doesn't necessarily have a high fatality rate. Even in Mexico, the fatalities may simply reflect that hundreds of thousands of people have been infected. Since the symptoms of swine flu are identical to those of a normal flu, there's no way to know how many cases have evaded government health officials, St. Jude's Webby said.

As the virus adapts to its human hosts, it is likely to find ways of spreading more efficiently. But evolution also suggests it might become less dangerous, Olsen said.

"If it kills off all its potential hosts, you reach a point where the virus can't survive," he said. Working to calm public fears, U.S. officials on Wednesday repeatedly stressed the statistic of yearly flu deaths -- 36,000.

Sebelius and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano also rejected calls to close the borders, which several lawmakers reiterated Wednesday on Capitol Hill.

"We are making all of our decisions based on the science and the epidemiology," Napolitano said. "The CDC, the public health community and the World Health Organization all have said that closing out nation's borders is not merited here."

Though scientists have begun to relax about the initial toll, they're considerably less comfortable when taking into account the fall flu season. They remain haunted by the experience of 1918, when the relatively mild first wave of flu was followed several months later by a more aggressive wave.

The longer the virus survives, the more chances it has to mutate into a deadlier form.

"If this virus keep going through our summer," Palese said, "I would be very concerned."
http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-sci-swine-reality30-2009apr30,0,3606923.story

[fast83]

im not feeling the whole swine flu deal.seems more like a scare tactic to see how prepped americans are to obey orders.

i think the regular flu kills more than this pig shit.im just not buying it.nor will i be taking any needles.