Poll: When does Israel go after Iran's nuke facilities?

[88Kaufmann]

Post your guess...

Mine is: Sept 13, 2009...

:AR15firing:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/maps/ir-map.gif

[fast83]

dunno. dec 25th?

[Sean88gt]

My guess - Not soon enough.

[Strychnine]

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/131041

Iranian Weapons Ship Sunk near Sudan

Published: 04/26/09, 8:25 P

by Maayana Miskin

(IsraelNN.com) An Iranian ship was destroyed off the coast of Sudan while transporting weapons to Gaza, according to the Egyptian daily Al-Usbua. The paper named Israel and the United States as likely suspects in the attack.

The ship was to dock in Sudan, where the weapons would have been unloaded and transported by land to the northern Sinai Peninsula. From there, they would be smuggled into Gaza to be used by Hamas.

The ship was destroyed by missiles fired from an unidentified second vessel, Sudanese sources said. The crew was killed in the attack, and the cargo was destroyed, they said.

The sources said Iran had attempted to hush up the incident.

One month ago, the U.S. station CBS reported that Israeli planes had carried out an attack in Sudan in January, demolishing a convoy bringing weapons from Iran to Hamas.

Israel has neither confirmed nor denied involvement in either strike.

[jw33]

My guess - Not soon enough.

x2

[Zarathustra]

Not gonna happen.

Mark these words.

[sc281_99-0135]

Not gonna happen.

Mark these words.

Hey Hey! Look who it is....

Who's got the over under on how many days he'll stay this time.

I got $10 on 5 1/2

[Vertnut]

Not gonna happen.

Mark these words.

You better hope...

[Denny]

Not gonna happen.

Mark these words.

Because they're not worth the effort? Iran would be a fun little exercise for Israel. Maybe a little on the easy side, but good drill for real-time tactics.

[cannonball996]

Israel could not wipe out Iran, they would be good for a couple of air strikes on their nuclear program and thats it. Israel also lacks the resources for a long drawn out war, which is exactly what Iran wants.

[Vertnut]

Israel could not wipe out Iran, they would be good for a couple of air strikes on their nuclear program and thats it. Israel also lacks the resources for a long drawn out war, which is exactly what Iran wants.

After the shit-storm that Israel would rain down on Iran, those people would not want to fight at all. The air superiority Israel has over Iran would quell any desire for Iranians to fight. That's just the reality of the situation. "Long, drawn out war" is not going to happen.

[bcoop]

Not gonna happen.

Mark these words.



Wow. You going to fight with your country, you little pussy?

[cannonball996]

After the shit-storm that Israel would rain down on Iran, those people would not want to fight at all. The air superiority Israel has over Iran would quell any desire for Iranians to fight. That's just the reality of the situation. "Long, drawn out war" is not going to happen.

and after the shit storm we pulled in Iraq, we are still dealing with their shit 6 years later. keep in mind the US was also able to spend a trillion dollars on Iraq. Iran has a much stronger military then Iraq, and Israel's military does not come close to our own. Iran has their military dug in ready for a big attack, thats what they want. Israel will have their one big attack and be out of money, then the will come to the US and ask for more money.

[Sean88gt]

Israel could not wipe out Iran, they would be good for a couple of air strikes on their nuclear program and thats it. Israel also lacks the resources for a long drawn out war, which is exactly what Iran wants.

Netanyahu won't play games. He is intelligent enough to know that they need to go in at 100% and most likely destroy everything in their path to keep the other nations from getting froggy.

[Vertnut]

and after the shit storm we pulled in Iraq, we are still dealing with their shit 6 years later. keep in mind the US was also able to spend a trillion dollars on Iraq. Iran has a much stronger military then Iraq, and Israel's military does not come close to our own. Iran has their military dug in ready for a big attack, thats what they want. Israel will have their one big attack and be out of money, then the will come to the US and ask for more money.

Big difference here. Israel won't care who they kill. We were discretionary and careful about where we hit. Israel won't be. I think you're dead wrong here. Israel won't pussyfoot around. If they do hit Iran, it will be hard.

[Vertnut]

Netanyahu won't play games. He is intelligent enough to know that they need to go in at 100% and most likely destroy everything in their path to keep the other nations from getting froggy.

Netanyahu does not fuck around.

[cannonball996]

Netanyahu won't play games. He is intelligent enough to know that they need to go in at 100% and most likely destroy everything in their path to keep the other nations from getting froggy.

keep in mind that a hand full of militia with rockets were able to hold Israel at bay for several moths a few summers ago. Iran has been preparing for an attack for decades, Iran's military is 5 times the size of Israel's military. and you do not need a degree in military science to know that it is easier to hold a strategic position then to take one.

I agree that israel would need to strike with everything they have, but do you really believe that mount a successful invasion? in 2003 the US sent a force that was about 100,000 soldiers larger then the entire military of Israel, to fight an Iraqi army that was only half as strong as Iran. I just do not think israel has enough to conquer Iran, though they could put quite a dent in their forces.

[Denny]

keep in mind that a hand full of militia with rockets were able to hold Israel at bay for several moths a few summers ago.

LMAO @ this statement!!!

[Denny]

Israel could not wipe out Iran, they would be good for a couple of air strikes on their nuclear program and thats it. Israel also lacks the resources for a long drawn out war, which is exactly what Iran wants.

I guess Israel really DOES have the masses fooled.

[Bubbaearl]

it will simply be a single strike to the right places and be done. just as they've done before. do you really believe those morons in gaza would last a day if Israel got serious ?? sooner or later they're going to get tired of this talking shit and get rid of the missiles for good .

[Vertnut]

it will simply be a single strike to the right places and be done. just as they've done before. do you really believe those morons in gaza would last a day if Israel got serious ?? sooner or later they're going to get tired of this talking shit and get rid of the missiles for good .

When it comes to Gaza, F18's>rocks.:cool:

[thesource]

it will simply be a single strike to the right places and be done. just as they've done before. do you really believe those morons in gaza would last a day if Israel got serious ?? sooner or later they're going to get tired of this talking shit and get rid of the missiles for good .

Agreed..... Once Israel has enough of the shit, they will put the hammer down and it will be ugly.

[exlude]

keep in mind that a hand full of militia with rockets were able to hold Israel at bay for several moths a few summers ago. Iran has been preparing for an attack for decades, Iran's military is 5 times the size of Israel's military. and you do not need a degree in military science to know that it is easier to hold a strategic position then to take one.

I agree that israel would need to strike with everything they have, but do you really believe that mount a successful invasion? in 2003 the US sent a force that was about 100,000 soldiers larger then the entire military of Israel, to fight an Iraqi army that was only half as strong as Iran. I just do not think israel has enough to conquer Iran, though they could put quite a dent in their forces.

Holy fucking cluelessness batman!

The US STOMPED Iraq, rushing through the entire fucking country in about 24 hours. However, being the dogooders we try to be, we are currently occupying them to reinstall government, train their police, build infrastructure, etc. These things take a whole lot of time.

The US occupation of Iraq in no way whatsoever parallels how Israel would attack Iran. You think they give a fuck enough to try to rebuild Iran? lmfao

You may not have a degree in military science, but a little current events and/or recent history plus a tiny bit of common sense would do you a shit ton of good.

[Vertnut]

Holy fucking cluelessness batman!

The US STOMPED Iraq, rushing through the entire fucking country in about 24 hours. However, being the dogooders we try to be, we are currently occupying them to reinstall government, train their police, build infrastructure, etc. These things take a whole lot of time.

The US occupation of Iraq in no way whatsoever parallels how Israel would attack Iran. You think they give a fuck enough to try to rebuild Iran? lmfao

You may not have a degree in military science, but a little current events and/or recent history plus a tiny bit of common sense would do you a shit ton of good.

Funny how they forget about the Gulf War. It was a fucking massacre.

[AL P]

keep in mind that a hand full of militia with rockets were able to hold Israel at bay for several moths a few summers ago. Iran has been preparing for an attack for decades, Iran's military is 5 times the size of Israel's military.

Hilarious. Israel would still be bombing Lebanon if they wanted to. And Hezbollah would still be hiding in holes in the ground, proclaiming victory.

Iran doesn't even have a functioning air force. Even if they did, who would fly the planes? Their tanks are Soviet junk. Iran is a paper tiger. They were so desperate during the Iran-Iraq war they they talked women and children into making suicide wave attacks on the Iraqi lines.

[ALLAN]

and after the shit storm we pulled in Iraq, we are still dealing with their shit 6 years later. keep in mind the US was also able to spend a trillion dollars on Iraq. Iran has a much stronger military then Iraq, and Israel's military does not come close to our own. Iran has their military dug in ready for a big attack, thats what they want. Israel will have their one big attack and be out of money, then the will come to the US and ask for more money.

Iran and Iraq fought to a stalemate. Iraq had a slight edge in the air. lol

If nothing else the IAF f-15s and F-16s will swat any thing the iranian are able to get off the ground.
Poor f-14s. :(

[Bubbaearl]

the new Iranian navy has glass bottoms ............... so they can see the old navy .

[fitzwell]

keep in mind that a hand full of militia with rockets were able to hold Israel at bay for several moths a few summers ago. Iran has been preparing for an attack for decades, Iran's military is 5 times the size of Israel's military. and you do not need a degree in military science to know that it is easier to hold a strategic position then to take one.

.



yeah, just like Egypt thought in '67

[Denny]

yeah, just like Egypt thought in '67

All the way up to day 5. LMAO!!!

[Mr Majestyk]

Wow. You going to fight with your country, you little pussy?

He might be good at bringing up the rear of a line of 10-year-old Iranian kids roped together as part of a human wave attack. That tactic worked so well during the Iran-Iraq War, the stupid Iranian fucks would probably be willing to give it another try. First though, they would have to get their wave to the Israeli border. That should be fun to watch.

[Sean88gt]

All the way up to day 5. LMAO!!!

You have to keep in mind the technology advances though. The new class of rocks fly up to 8' higher and 30' further making them a formidable opponent to the well equipped Israeli Air Force.

[Bubbaearl]

hell, who hasn't kicked irans ass .

[46Tbird]

He might be good at bringing up the rear of a line of 10-year-old Iranian kids roped together as part of a human wave attack.

Red Rover, Red Rover, let Achmed come over...

[Denny]

hell, who hasn't kicked irans ass .

Laos

[jw33]

I would think Israel's main goal would be to just knock out as much shit as possible including the nuclear facilities in a week or so from the air and be done. No need to occupy or try to win the hearts and minds of the people in Iran. Just set them back 10-12 years.

[exlude]

Laos

hahaha

At first I thought that was a misstyped "lmao", then noticed you actually meant Laos. Funny either way!

[Cartman]

Big difference here. Israel won't care who they kill. We were discretionary and careful about where we hit. Israel won't be. I think you're dead wrong here. Israel won't pussyfoot around. If they do hit Iran, it will be hard.

lets say that is true, and they kill every person they see in a war with them. That puts us in a bad situation, where we now would have to either stand with them and their tactics, or take all aid from them as punishment. Now you all think Obama will not back Israel, and if they do as you say he has an out and comes out looking better than when he went in.

the world is waiting for our big F up, at which time they can "cash in" on the loans and put us in a situation we might not be able to get out of.

if Israel kills everything it encounters we will be forced to do to him as we did Saddam, were going to do to Hitler, and any other leader that killed with no regards.

[88Kaufmann]

lets say that is true, and they kill every person they see in a war with them. That puts us in a bad situation, where we now would have to either stand with them and their tactics, or take all aid from them as punishment. Now you all think Obama will not back Israel, and if they do as you say he has an out and comes out looking better than when he went in.

the world is waiting for our big F up, at which time they can "cash in" on the loans and put us in a situation we might not be able to get out of.

if Israel kills everything it encounters we will be forced to do to him as we did Saddam, were going to do to Hitler, and any other leader that killed with no regards.

Dude, Let me lay it out for you...
Israel has been surrounded by people who want nothing else but to kill Jews for decades now. Just about every rocket, car bomb, homicide bomber ever to take the life of a Jew within Israel has been funded, supplied by, and supported by Iran.

The radical Jihadis know that all it takes is one nuke in Tel Aviv to complete their mission of destroying Israel. They send their women and children to go die to kill a few Jews in a marketplace, do you think they care about collateral damage or nuclear fallout?

Iran has publicly called for the destruction of Israel and denied the holocaust ever happened.

Given its past history, and if you and your family were Jews living in Israel, would there be any way in hell you would allow Iran to get possession of a nuke?

Given their situation, there will come a time, sooner rather then later, its going to come down to whether they even exist or not. As that time comes, they are not going to give two shits what the U.S. thinks, or how it effects other nations. Put in their situation, I'd tell Obama to go F himself as I took care of business....

[flashstang04]

Dude, Let me lay it out for you...
Israel has been surrounded by people who want nothing else but to kill Jews for decades now. Just about every rocket, car bomb, homicide bomber ever to take the life of a Jew within Israel has been funded, supplied by, and supported by Iran.

The radical Jihadis know that all it takes is one nuke in Tel Aviv to complete their mission of destroying Israel. They send their women and children to go die to kill a few Jews in a marketplace, do you think they care about collateral damage or nuclear fallout?

Iran has publicly called for the destruction of Israel and denied the holocaust ever happened.

Given its past history, and if you and your family were Jews living is Israel, would there be any way in hell you would allow Iran to get possession of a nuke?

Given their situation, there will come a time, sooner rather then later, its going to come down to whether they even exist or not. As that time comes, they are not going to give two shits what the U.S. thinks, or how it effects other nations. Put in their situation, I'd tell Obama to go F himself as I took care of business....



This ^

[AL P]

lets say that is true, and they kill every person they see in a war with them. That puts us in a bad situation, where we now would have to either stand with them and their tactics, or take all aid from them as punishment. Now you all think Obama will not back Israel, and if they do as you say he has an out and comes out looking better than when he went in.

the world is waiting for our big F up, at which time they can "cash in" on the loans and put us in a situation we might not be able to get out of.

if Israel kills everything it encounters we will be forced to do to him as we did Saddam, were going to do to Hitler, and any other leader that killed with no regards.

Obama will back Israel or he won't be president anymore. I know it sounds crazy but the Jews run this bitch, they really do.

[Vertnut]

Obama will back Israel or he won't be president anymore. I know it sounds crazy but the Jews run this bitch, they really do.

Truism. Look where most of his money came from...and he's got Rahm running shit, too.

[Denny]

I would think Israel's main goal would be to just knock out as much shit as possible including the nuclear facilities in a week or so from the air and be done. No need to occupy or try to win the hearts and minds of the people in Iran. Just set them back 10-12 years.

That's exactly right. Iran is one strike away from being crippled to the point it would take 100's of years to even get back where they are now. Israel doesn't want any land other than what is rightfully theirs.

[Denny]

Dude, Let me lay it out for you...
Israel has been surrounded by people who want nothing else but to kill Jews for decades now. Just about every rocket, car bomb, homicide bomber ever to take the life of a Jew within Israel has been funded, supplied by, and supported by Iran.

The radical Jihadis know that all it takes is one nuke in Tel Aviv to complete their mission of destroying Israel. They send their women and children to go die to kill a few Jews in a marketplace, do you think they care about collateral damage or nuclear fallout?

Iran has publicly called for the destruction of Israel and denied the holocaust ever happened.

Given its past history, and if you and your family were Jews living in Israel, would there be any way in hell you would allow Iran to get possession of a nuke?

Given their situation, there will come a time, sooner rather then later, its going to come down to whether they even exist or not. As that time comes, they are not going to give two shits what the U.S. thinks, or how it effects other nations. Put in their situation, I'd tell Obama to go F himself as I took care of business....
OK newb, you're alright with me, bro.

[Yale]

I actually think Israel would nuke the major population centers of Iran, or any other Islamic country, if pushed too hard. Netanyahu is as hard line as they come in mainstream Israeli politics, and the IDF are some of the saltiest motherfuckers on the planet. They held off overwhelming majorities in various wars in 2 decades in what is, geographically speaking, definitely not a strategic position. On top of that, at the time, they weren't anywhere near as well funded as the people attacking them. Now that they're better equipped than their agressors, and have captured some much more defensible territories, as well as developed border walls and proper buffer zones, they have even less to worry about.

[Bubbaearl]

i do not believe israel will try to kill civilians . they will strike the threats to them and nothing more. if iran is dumb enough ( and we know how stupid they are ) to retaliate then the second strike will all but cripple them. no way in hell will israel not have the funds or equipment to handle it . it's time for something to be done about iran and north korea . diplomacy has done nothing but the bottom line is they can not be allowed to have nukes . it's time to isolate their ass until they agree to live in peace .

[Zarathustra]

i do not believe israel will try to kill civilians . they will strike the threats to them and nothing more. if iran is dumb enough ( and we know how stupid they are ) to retaliate then the second strike will all but cripple them. no way in hell will israel not have the funds or equipment to handle it . it's time for something to be done about iran and north korea . diplomacy has done nothing but the bottom line is they can not be allowed to have nukes . it's time to isolate their ass until they agree to live in peace .

Agree to live in peace? What? Is it Iran that's going around flexing their muscles looking for a fight? Israel is the one that refuses to live in peace. If they want to live in the peace you speak of, then they must also rid themselves of nuclear weapons just as they request of Iran. There isn't even any evidence of Iran actually even possessing any of this certain kind of weapon. Who's the aggressor here? Really?

They have no right to tell any people to rid themselves of any kind of weapon which they themselves also possess, especially when there's no proof that they actually have them. That's absolutely ludicrous. How's that logic sound?

What gives them the right to possess these weapons and not everybody else in the region? I know it's not Yahweh that would have it that way..

A shitstorm would erupt, the likes of which this planet and its inhabitants have never seen, if Israel were to actually walk the walk, instead of just talking the talk. They know it's not just Iran they would be fighting if it were to come down to them actually backing up their shit talk. Russia, China, I'm betting any major country in the region that's not in the pocket of the United States would be willing to help take down an evil zionist regime presiding over otherwise kind and decent people in Israel. Israelis are not the problem, I love Jews, their government is what is evil. They are the real aggressor here, not Iran. Admittedly, provocative statements have come from Tehran, but anything they have said has been retaliatory and spun, mixed, and mis-translated with regard to creating propaganda, lies, and misinformation. The amount of misinformation that has been spread is mind-blowing. You just soak it right up as if if were the truth, so quick to hate and despise a rich Iranian culture of kind and decent people that are otherwise unwilling to take part in the evil process of politics.

You've been had.

[openroadracer3]

You've been had.


i'm assuming this is where you push the button and detonate yourself?

[AL P]

Agree to live in peace? What? Is it Iran that's going around flexing their muscles looking for a fight? Israel is the one that refuses to live in peace. If they want to live in the peace you speak of, then they must also rid themselves of nuclear weapons just as they request of Iran. There isn't even any evidence of Iran actually even possessing any of this certain kind of weapon. Who's the aggressor here? Really?

They have no right to tell any people to rid themselves of any kind of weapon which they themselves also possess, especially when there's no proof that they actually have them. That's absolutely ludicrous. How's that logic sound?

What gives them the right to possess these weapons and not everybody else in the region? I know it's not Yahweh that would have it that way..

A shitstorm would erupt, the likes of which this planet and its inhabitants have never seen, if Israel were to actually walk the walk, instead of just talking the talk. They know it's not just Iran they would be fighting if it were to come down to them actually backing up their shit talk. Russia, China, I'm betting any major country in the region that's not in the pocket of the United States would be willing to help take down an evil zionist regime presiding over otherwise kind and decent people in Israel. Israelis are not the problem, I love Jews, their government is what is evil. They are the real aggressor here, not Iran. Admittedly, provocative statements have come from Tehran, but anything they have said has been retaliatory and spun, mixed, and mis-translated with regard to creating propaganda, lies, and misinformation. The amount of misinformation that has been spread is mind-blowing. You just soak it right up as if if were the truth, so quick to hate and despise a rich Iranian culture of kind and decent people that are otherwise unwilling to take part in the evil process of politics.

You've been had.

Of course the Land of the Aryans is misunderstood. Their government is so tolerant and open, how could anyone judge them?

I wonder exactly who has "been had".

[Fox466]

if Israel kills everything it encounters we will be forced to do to him as we did Saddam, were going to do to Hitler, and any other leader that killed with no regards.


So Israel is really just one guy?

[Zarathustra]

Dude, Let me lay it out for you...
Israel has been surrounded by people who want nothing else but to kill Jews for decades now. Just about every rocket, car bomb, homicide bomber ever to take the life of a Jew within Israel has been funded, supplied by, and supported by Iran.

You care to back up that last statement? What evidence do you have to justify saying something so outlandish? Really, what evidence? What makes you think that to be true? Surely there must be some proof... I'm gonna lean toward there being absolutely nothing to back up that crap, just blind hate and intolerance.

Israel has been surrounded by people who want nothing else but to stamp out Zionism, not Jews, not Judaism, just oppressive apartheid governments that think jewish shit does not stink. They see the zionist regime in Tel Aviv as oppressive, evil, and tyrannical, and they are tired of having to fight to live. The only way they see fit, for some reason, is killing Jewish civilians in order to influence the government of Israel to change their policy toward their neighbors. These people kill because they are just as misguided as you. Plain and simple.



The radical Jihadis know that all it takes is one nuke in Tel Aviv to complete their mission of destroying Israel. They send their women and children to go die to kill a few Jews in a marketplace, do you think they care about collateral damage or nuclear fallout?


Radical Jihadis? People are not motivated to kill for no reason, thatMaybe you've never heard of Irgun. I strongly suggest you type that word into your little search bar.

Many of Israels opponents do not want to destroy Israel, wipe it off the map, or even kill any Jews. Somewhere along the line you missed that simple fact, the problem they have is with the Israeli GOVERNMENT, not its people. For some, the people that live there are alot more accessible as a target than the government, and it's a quick and easy way of satisfying their need to be understood. I do not agree with their justification for murder, but I can deduce the reasons they might have for committing such an evil act. The same line of reasoning you're putting forth is moving them to kill innocent people. As part of my morality, I don't condone any killing whatsoever, but the bottom line is, I can see why they're doing it. They might be reacting in the complete wrong way, but it's only in retaliation to the wrongs bestowed upon them. Take the time to see all the arguments surrounding the conflict, not just one side, only then will you be able to rationally analyze the situation at hand.


Iran has publicly called for the destruction of Israel and denied the holocaust ever happened.

It most definitely has not. Do you believe everything you're told?

The Iranian president, regardless of how bad of a person you all might think he is because of the amount of spin and intentional mistranslation that has emanated from the interpretation of his words, actually said that he "wished for the zionist regime in Israel to vanish from the pages of time". That's a FAR stretch to take it to the point of accusing him of calling for the destruction of Israel.

I fully believe that if it were not for the radical zionists in power in Israel over the years, then the region would actually me experiencing peace right now. This is no justification for what they have done to try and solve the problem, but I can still see why they're doing it. They have no other option.

Regarding the holocaust, I believe it was a not a complete out-and-out denial of the holocaust, instead he was outlining the idea that Israel's zionist government thrives off of anti-semitism, and the holocaust represents the largest outward display of anti-semitism in modern times. It's not hard to see that this is one of the main reasons the Jewish state actually came into existence, and that it might have been exaggerated or misrepresented even if only in the slightest. He actually said that the severity and magnitude of the holocaust has been somewhat exaggerated (by the zionists) in order to show how bad the Jews have been treated over the ages, and that they morally deserve to uproot people living on 'their land', possess nuclear weapons, and murder their neighbors.

He said the holocaust was exaggerated and sensationalized in order to push Israeli policy, not that the holocaust never happened. If you cared enough about fact-checking the media, and not using their propaganda as premises to your arguments, then you might know alot more about how complex this problem actually is.


Given its past history, and if you and your family were Jews living in Israel, would there be any way in hell you would allow Iran to get possession of a nuke?

What history? This argument represents the central crux of their justification for an attack on innocent Iranians. There have been no outward military displays against Israel, no widespread aggression. Maybe you should see how many Jews living in Israel are first and second generation migrants who have Persian blood flowing through their veins.

You continually forget that it is Israel who has these nuclear weapons themselves, and what gives them the right to possess them and not anybody else? Logic defies you..


Given their situation, there will come a time, sooner rather then later, its going to come down to whether they even exist or not. As that time comes, they are not going to give two shits what the U.S. thinks, or how it effects other nations. Put in their situation, I'd tell Obama to go F himself as I took care of business....

If they did that, it'd be suicide. Israel, Britain, and the United States can not take over the entire world. At some point, the illuminati will have to fall.

I agree with your first statement, but the fundamental inversion. Sooner or later, it's going to come down to whether Israel even exists or not. The Israeli government is bad for Israel, it does not represent popular opinion. Instead, it sensationalizes rocket attacks in order to justify senseless killing of innocents. As I've stated before, numerous times, I am all for a peaceful Israeli government, and for Judaism, which I have qualms with on different grounds; but at some point someone's gotta stop the madness. It's high time that the people of Israel stand up for themselves and oust this tyrannical government and its supporters out of the decision-making chair, as the fate of its civilian population is in jeopardy. There is no way that a country as small as Israel can take down a country that is literally more than 200 times its size. Not even with these United States backing them, which is all but impossible given the giant Israel would be up against. Add on top of that Russia, and maybe China--and that sounds like a hell of an ass-whoopin that only your little saviour Jesus H. Christ will have to turn around. Perhaps that's what they want though, to hasten the second coming so that they all get sucked up into heaven. Little do they know or expect though, that if what they believe to be true about prophecy actually is true, that they (zionists) will all be going straight to hell for what they have done in God's name.

That would be epic.

[Zarathustra]

Of course the Land of the Aryans is misunderstood. Their government is so tolerant and open, how could anyone judge them?

I wonder exactly who has "been had".

Iran is not a colonial state. Israel is a colonial state.

There's your beef. Before you respond, look into neocolonialism.

[Denny]

Where in any part of History has Israel gone on an unprovocked offensive, acting out of hatred? Look at the two leaders of Iran- both preaching hatred and violence against Israel.

I'm sure the Hezbollah funding isn't for diplomatic peace missions throughout Syria and Lebannon. They asked for everything they're gonna get. Once Israel takes it's gloves off, you and the rest of the world are going to shit when they finally flex their muscle.

Really... what has Israel ever done to them? Do you know if those stupid Persians kept quiet all these years, Israel would have never known they existed? They don't matter to Israel. Israel is only addressing a threat. Everyone BUT YOU can see that.

Biased opinion? You're so brainwashed, it's not even worth the effort, really.

[88Kaufmann]

You care to back up that last statement? What evidence do you have to justify saying something so outlandish? Really, what evidence? What makes you think that to be true? Surely there must be some proof... I'm gonna lean toward there being absolutely nothing to back up that crap, just blind hate and intolerance.

In my experience, people who usually jump to "hate" and "intolerance" are usually using the words to deflect from their own internal issues.... but that is just my experience.

You know, I sat here for a while and debated with myself whether it was worth the time to blow your entire rant up point by point... with facts, links, statistics, and generally reinforce the fact that you are a total loon.

But then I came to the realization that your post speaks for itself and that my time is much better spent watching "Aliens" for the 23rd time.....

That is of course, unless the evil Jews attack and force me to eat Kosher food or wear a yamaka.... as we all know how intolerant they are....

[Bubbaearl]

carter should have dealt with the morons when he had the chance. dont know if you've noticed or not but china and russia are getting a little tired of their shit too. as i've said before someone fires missiles at us they wont exist tomorrow . there is absolutely no excuse for that shit. imo it is a declaration of war and should be dealt with as such. just because iran has a lot of area means little. they would last less than a week against israel and know it.

guess you were not around in 79 huh.

[Mr Majestyk]

Iran is not a colonial state. Israel is a colonial state.

There's your beef. Before you respond, look into neocolonialism.

Wrong, Israel was settled prior to 1000 BC. Take your ignorance of history, strap on a vest, and do something that will impress us all.

[Mr Majestyk]

carter should have dealt with the morons when he had the chance. dont know if you've noticed or not but china and russia are getting a little tired of their shit too. as i've said before someone fires missiles at us they wont exist tomorrow . there is absolutely no excuse for that shit. imo it is a declaration of war and should be dealt with as such. just because iran has a lot of area means little. they would last less than a week against israel and know it.

guess you were not around in 79 huh.

All Israel or anyone else for that matter has to do is take out Iran's limited sources of water. They will be on their knees within days, after killing a sizable number of each other of course through their own infighting.

[AL P]

Iran is not a colonial state. Israel is a colonial state.

There's your beef. Before you respond, look into neocolonialism.


It is fine to let some religious fruitcakes that even you do not agree with have some nuclear weapons because you think the the Jews took some of the ultra precious land from the Palestinians.

It all makes perfect sense now!

I'm not sure what kind of high as a kite bizarro hippie conspiracy world you live in, it sounds strange.

[Zarathustra]

It is fine to let some religious fruitcakes that even you do not agree with have some nuclear weapons because you think the the Jews took some of the ultra precious land from the Palestinians.

It all makes perfect sense now!

I'm not sure what kind of high as a kite bizarro hippie conspiracy world you live in, it sounds strange.


They don't HAVE NUKES! Dude, i don't know what kind of a dumb as a doornail, ignorant teabagger, middle-aged underachiever world you live in, but I live in the real world. You can twist the logic as much as you want, but it still makes sense the way I threw it out there. SO much sense in fact, that you refuse to actually break down and refute ANY of my arguments.

Figures..

You know, this day in age, people are expected to be able to provide strong arguments to be able to back up their positions, and there's so many people that absolutely cannot form a single rational argument to back up any opinion they hold. It really is sad..

[Zarathustra]

carter should have dealt with the morons when he had the chance. dont know if you've noticed or not but china and russia are getting a little tired of their shit too. as i've said before someone fires missiles at us they wont exist tomorrow . there is absolutely no excuse for that shit. imo it is a declaration of war and should be dealt with as such. just because iran has a lot of area means little. they would last less than a week against israel and know it.

guess you were not around in 79 huh.


Hi sir, you ever heard of capitalization? For the technologically disoriented, there's a little key on both sides of this typewriter thingy in front of you called the shift keys.

Use 'em.

Aside from that, your post made nearly no sense, and it was directed at nobody. How long has it been since you went to a school of any kind?

[Zarathustra]

Wrong, Israel was settled prior to 1000 BC. Take your ignorance of history, strap on a vest, and do something that will impress us all.

Sorru buddy, we're not talking about 1000 BC, we're talking about 3000 years later. Today is what matters, not the iron age.

Pull your head out of your ass and stick it in an encyclopedia, it'd do you a world of good. You might actually learn something for once in your life.

[Zarathustra]

In my experience, people who usually jump to "hate" and "intolerance" are usually using the words to deflect from their own internal issues.... but that is just my experience.
Well, in MY experience, people who use those words are usually trying to denounce hateful, ignorant untruths being advanced by people employing fallacy-ridden arguments..... But that's just my experience.



You know, I sat here for a while and debated with myself whether it was worth the time to blow your entire rant up point by point... with facts, links, statistics, and generally reinforce the fact that you are a total loon.

I'm glad I made you have a little internal debate, perhaps if you actually did have the testicles to refute anything I've posted, you'd get a little closer to the truth on the matter. But you digress. I know you didn't have it in you, and I don't even know you. Your arguments are inherently weak, and that's why I jumped all over them like I did, because they don't fucking make any sense.

There are no facts, links, or statistics to back up your ludicrous statements, and that's why you decided against making a complete ass of yourself trying to answer back with any substance. It seems as if you're not confident enough in your convictions on the matter to see if they stand up to any scrutiny at all, and apparently they don't. Way to prove my point.


But then I came to the realization that your post speaks for itself and that my time is much better spent watching "Aliens" for the 23rd time.....

You're goddamn right it speaks for itself. It speaks so loudly in fact, that it drowns out the hate-filled rant you tried to post in an attempt to fit in with your buddies around here. Now that you've got your badge for blind ignorance from Denny you're in like Flynn.


That is of course, unless the evil Jews attack and force me to eat Kosher food or wear a yamaka.... as we all know how intolerant they are....
It's almost like you intentionally miss the point, completely ignoring the meaning. Now I know not to expect anything but more of the same from you--just reiterated political propaganda headlines, regurgitated rants you heard from Rush Limbaugh, and piss poor arguments that do not stand up the the heat of argumentation, whatsoever.

[silvercobra03]

I know it sounds crazy but the Jews run this bitch, they really do.



I agree 100% with this statement.

[Mr Majestyk]

Sorru buddy, we're not talking about 1000 BC, we're talking about 3000 years later. Today is what matters, not the iron age.

Pull your head out of your ass and stick it in an encyclopedia, it'd do you a world of good. You might actually learn something for once in your life.

Wrong again FudgePecker. You stated Israel is a colonial state, and I bitch-slapped you out of your ignorance and back into reality.

Now, take that final step and strap on that vest.

[Zarathustra]

Where in any part of History has Israel gone on an unprovocked offensive, acting out of hatred? Look at the two leaders of Iran- both preaching hatred and violence against Israel.

SEVERAL TIMES. Either completely unprovoked, or with outlandishly, illegal and unreasonable responses. One instance comes to mind--when they sent their planes to bomb that missile factory or whatever in Syria. Remember that?? It wasn't that long ago...

They do not preach hatred OR violence against Israel, they only disagree with Zionism, and people like you are too goddamn stupid to understand that. You just think they're just a bunch of Jew-hating, ragheaded jihadists hellbent on destroying Israel. Nearly every single time Israel has had a spat with any of its neighbors it has been Israel themselves casting the first stone, sure they might have been provoked but nowhere near the point of a moral justification for war. Especially in recent years, they have unleashed elaborate propaganda campaigns in most of the western world in hopes of justifying their evil, aggressive actions, but still somehow incited millions of people throughout the world to protest. The reality of the situation is not at all how you depict it, your position is clearly and inherently biased and therefore you are unable to garner any sort of credibility in the eyes of anybody except your little cronies who can't see through your veil of bullshit you're always laying out there.


I'm sure the Hezbollah funding isn't for diplomatic peace missions throughout Syria and Lebannon. They asked for everything they're gonna get. Once Israel takes it's gloves off, you and the rest of the world are going to shit when they finally flex their muscle.

Again, arguments with absolutely no proof, evidence, facts, ANYTHING that will validate your claim that Tehran, the Iranian government, currently actively supports any of these assholes. Their propaganda campaign is working on you. I'm not saying that some Iranians don't support them, or that they have not in the past supported them with weapons and training--but after all, it's just like any other country fighting a war by proxy. With your wide depth of knowledge on the capabilities of the Israeli defense force, you think they should be able to squash any sort of war-by-proxy with little effort, right? I wish they'd do something about it, it's high time for regime change in Israel, those assholes have started enough trouble around the world as well as in their neck of the woods to completely shroud anything any Iranian person or group of persons is doing or has done for those that oppose evil regimes like theirs.

Zionism is the definition of apartheid government that should be abolished, we live in an age of tolerance and refusal to persecute persons that are of differing origin, practices, and opinions. Only after this EVIL has been stamped out can the world have any hope of moving past this monumental clusterfuck that zionism has created and shamelessly nurtures. It encourages and fosters hate and violence in and of itself, and one day the United States will be forced, on moral as well as practical grounds, to withdraw their unqualified support for Israel. In my opinion, all the pieces to the peace puzzle are there, it's just that everybody there is too goddamn ignorant and self-concerned put them all together. And it starts with Israel..


Really... what has Israel ever done to them? Do you know if those stupid Persians kept quiet all these years, Israel would have never known they existed? They don't matter to Israel. Israel is only addressing a threat. Everyone BUT YOU can see that.
If you'd like to only see the facts on the surface, refusing to dive in and consider the depth of knowledge that is available on the matter, go right ahead. I'm too busy exploring intricacies and particularities, deeper problems and more important and helpful solutions to get lost in the information that only surface-dwelling provides us. I encourage you to further examine the details and deeper facts which more heavily influence the people involved there, because your view on the subject is as if it's almost intentionally narrowed on so many different levels due to your undying bias.

They don't matter to Israel? What? Have you no understanding of history? Have you no understanding of the depth of political and social phenomenons that have been set in place in order for something like this to happen? If they didn't matter to Israel, they wouldn't give a fuck what Ahmadinejad supposedly said about them, right? Your logic often makes me gasp.

A threat? What threat? If Iran is so much of a paper tiger, than what threat is Israel actually addressing?


On a side note:
Zoroastrianism WAS in fact, the first monotheistic religion in human history. Through the years we have had some contention on the point, I'm gonna clear that up for you real quick..

Early Judaism was particularly different from monotheism because first of all, there had been no other monotheistic religions in the world, ever. They practiced what today we call monolatry, or henotheism, which is the belief and worship in only one god, WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY NOT DENYING THE EXISTENCE OF OTHER GODS. Sure, they worshiped only yahweh, but they also considered other gods to exist, even though they did not worship them. Now, monotheism is different in that it is the belief in one God, and at the same time believing that it is the only god in existence. There is a stark contrast between the two, and you were and are wrong, sir.

Zoroastrianism was the first monotheistic religion in history, and will always be the first monotheistic religion. Much to your chagrin...

It's too bad all the other religions had to jump on the monotheism bandwagon and ruin everything..

[Zarathustra]

Wrong again FudgePecker. You stated Israel is a colonial state, and I bitch-slapped you out of your ignorance and back into reality.

Now, take that final step and strap on that vest.

Do you even know what colonialism is? IF you weren't so god damn uneducated and superficial, you'd actually do some research once in a while.

When was the last time you were in a classroom? Your ignorance astounds even children. You should be ashamed of yourself.

[Denny]

SEVERAL TIMES. Either completely unprovoked, or with outlandishly, illegal and unreasonable responses. One instance comes to mind--when they sent their planes to bomb that missile factory or whatever in Syria. Remember that?? It wasn't that long ago...
See, terminating a threat. An act of defense. Thank you for solidifying my statement.

They do not preach hatred OR violence against Israel, they only disagree with Zionism, and people like you are too goddamn stupid to understand that. You just think they're just a bunch of Jew-hating, ragheaded jihadists hellbent on destroying Israel. Nearly every single time Israel has had a spat with any of its neighbors it has been Israel themselves casting the first stone, sure they might have been provoked but nowhere near the point of a moral justification for war. Especially in recent years, they have unleashed elaborate propaganda campaigns in most of the western world in hopes of justifying their evil, aggressive actions, but still somehow incited millions of people throughout the world to protest. The reality of the situation is not at all how you depict it, your position is clearly and inherently biased and therefore you are unable to garner any sort of credibility in the eyes of anybody except your little cronies who can't see through your veil of bullshit you're always laying out there.
ALL that comes out of that faggot-drip of a Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's mouth is hate and violence, which is in turn regurgitated by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad... along with TON of his other fantacies and lies. Just like the lies that he makes the media broadcast and makes publishers put in the text books of those pathetic, nasty Iranian children.

Again, arguments with absolutely no proof, evidence, facts, ANYTHING that will validate your claim that Tehran, the Iranian government, currently actively supports any of these assholes. Their propaganda campaign is working on you. I'm not saying that some Iranians don't support them, or that they have not in the past supported them with weapons and training--but after all, it's just like any other country fighting a war by proxy. With your wide depth of knowledge on the capabilities of the Israeli defense force, you think they should be able to squash any sort of war-by-proxy with little effort, right? I wish they'd do something about it, it's high time for regime change in Israel, those assholes have started enough trouble around the world as well as in their neck of the woods to completely shroud anything any Iranian person or group of persons is doing or has done for those that oppose evil regimes like theirs.
Proof has been given, but since it hasnot been broadcasted on Tehran News Network, you wouldn't believe it anyway. Manpower, weaponry, funding... it's all there. The fact is that Israel has done NOTHING to any other country, yet you say crap like "They always throw the first stone. Prove me wrong. See? I'm right." You words are not falling on def ears, they're just not reaching the ears of dumbasses (ie: the Iranian brainwashed fucks who don't matter in this world).

Zionism is the definition of apartheid government that should be abolished, we live in an age of tolerance and refusal to persecute persons that are of differing origin, practices, and opinions. Only after this EVIL has been stamped out can the world have any hope of moving past this monumental clusterfuck that zionism has created and shamelessly nurtures. It encourages and fosters hate and violence in and of itself, and one day the United States will be forced, on moral as well as practical grounds, to withdraw their unqualified support for Israel. In my opinion, all the pieces to the peace puzzle are there, it's just that everybody there is too goddamn ignorant and self-concerned put them all together. And it starts with Israel..
Spoken like a true follower of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. Way to prove ANOTHER point. We make a good team. Anyone that preaches "Believe in what I believe in or die" has no place to dictate what needs to be done in order to achieve peace.

If you'd like to only see the facts on the surface, refusing to dive in and consider the depth of knowledge that is available on the matter, go right ahead. I'm too busy exploring intricacies and particularities, deeper problems and more important and helpful solutions to get lost in the information that only surface-dwelling provides us. I encourage you to further examine the details and deeper facts which more heavily influence the people involved there, because your view on the subject is as if it's almost intentionally narrowed on so many different levels due to your undying bias.
You mean you're too busy bending taco shells in between video games. Bias has nothing to do with truth, but you wouldn't know what I'm talking about.

They don't matter to Israel? What? Have you no understanding of history? Have you no understanding of the depth of political and social phenomenons that have been set in place in order for something like this to happen? If they didn't matter to Israel, they wouldn't give a fuck what Ahmadinejad supposedly said about them, right? Your logic often makes me gasp.
Unlike your Pussy-Persian Empire, the Jews of today are not living in the past. They are too busy addressing the shit that rolls out of his cock holster.

A threat? What threat? If Iran is so much of a paper tiger, than what threat is Israel actually addressing?
Iran is trying to become a bigger threat and their influence on the rest of the brainwashed fucks. They are more of a nuisance, but have the capability IF the rest of the world lets them try to develop nuclear weapons, to become a large threat.

On a side note:
Zoroastrianism WAS in fact, the first monotheistic religion in human history. Through the years we have had some contention on the point, I'm gonna clear that up for you real quick..
First, second, last, whatever... Zoroaster talking about Ahura Mazda has nothing to do with what we're discussing here.

Early Judaism was particularly different from monotheism because first of all, there had been no other monotheistic religions in the world, ever. They practiced what today we call monolatry, or henotheism, which is the belief and worship in only one god, WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY NOT DENYING THE EXISTENCE OF OTHER GODS. Sure, they worshiped only yahweh, but they also considered other gods to exist, even though they did not worship them. Now, monotheism is different in that it is the belief in one God, and at the same time believing that it is the only god in existence. There is a stark contrast between the two, and you were and are wrong, sir.
People worship other gods and they're recognized as "not true gods." What part of that makes you think there is any belief in any other god?

Zoroastrianism was the first monotheistic religion in history, and will always be the first monotheistic religion. Much to your chagrin...
Too bad it doesn't make it right, huh?

It's too bad all the other religions had to jump on the monotheism bandwagon and ruin everything..
Too bad Iran still exists and ruins everything.

Fucking retard...

[Bubbaearl]

someday denny i'm gonna fix you up with some bluff dale ribs ( ask fitzwell ) :D

[Denny]

someday denny i'm gonna fix you up with some bluff dale ribs ( ask fitzwell ) :D

Ribs?!?! I'll be in the States from May 21st-30th... hook an infidel up!!!!

[Mr Majestyk]

Do you even know what colonialism is? IF you weren't so god damn uneducated and superficial, you'd actually do some research once in a while.

When was the last time you were in a classroom? Your ignorance astounds even children. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Admit your ignorance FudgePecker and move along. You're irrelevant to any discussion in this thread, that is until strap on that vest like I told you to, bitch.

[88Kaufmann]

Why I feel compelled to waste my time with this, I'll never know...

There are no facts, links, or statistics to back up your ludicrous statements, and that's why you decided against making a complete ass of yourself trying to answer back with any substance. It seems as if you're not confident enough in your convictions on the matter to see if they stand up to any scrutiny at all, and apparently they don't. Way to prove my point.

Anyone who already understands that Iran is the foremost sponsor of terrorism, please ignore the rest of this post....

Following are some of the more valid points... Sources are to follow:

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First, Here is a primer based off of the following 2 sources:
[1] U.S. Department of State, “Designation of Iranian Entities and Individuals for Proliferation Activities and Support for Terrorism,” Oct. 25, 2007, retrieved July 6, 2008, http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2007/oct/94193.htm

[2] O’Brien, James M., “Exporting Jihad: Iran’s use of non-state armed groups” The Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy & The Jebsen Center for Counter-Terrorism Studies, presented at 47th Annual International Studies Association, March 22, 2006

The Islamic Republic of Iran is the world’s chief sponsor of terrorism. Its Qods Force, an elite unit of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) - a branch of the Iranian military - has had a long history of supporting terrorist organizations that target Israel. Iran has provided funding, material support, training and intelligence services to its three main proxies, Hezbollah, Hamas, and Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine – General Command (PFLP-GC).[1] These terrorist groups, which share the same basic ideological goals as Iran’s leadership, are in many ways extensions of Iran’s military network. They act as proxies for Tehran by attacking Israeli targets while providing reasonable deniability for the Iranian government on the international stage.[2]

Now that we all understand the overall point. let's delve into specifics shall we?

First. let's start with a list of somewhat recent terrorist attacks with those responsible (I will try to bold the responsible parties for easy reference):

February 4, 2008: A 73-year-old woman was killed and 40 people were wounded when a suicide bomber blew himself up in a shopping center in the southern city of Dimona. A second bomber was shot by a police officer who noticed him reaching for his explosive belt. Both Hamas’ armed wing, Izaddin Kassam, and Fatah's armed wing, the Aksa Martyrs Brigades, claimed responsibility for the attack.

# January 24, 2008: Two terrorists entered the Mekor Hayim High School Yeshiva in Kfar Etzion, south of Jerusalem, and stabbed two students. The terrorists were killed by two of the counselors in the room. The Izaddin al-Kassam's Martyrs Brigades, the Hamas military wing, claimed responsibility for the attack.

# January 24, 2008: Rami Zoari, 20, from Beersheba, a border police officer, was killed and another female officer was seriously wounded after terrorists approached the entrance to Shuafat refugee camp in northern Jerusalem and opened fire on a group of Israelis. The Battalions of Struggle and Return, a previously anonymous offshoot of Fatah's Al Aksa Martyrs' Brigades, claimed responsibility for the attack.

# January 29, 2007: Three people were killed in a suicide bombing in a bakery in Eilat, the first suicide bombing in the city. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.

# April 17, 2006: Nine people were killed and at least 40 wounded in a suicide bombing near the old central bus station in Tel Aviv. The blast ripped through Falafel Rosh Ha'ir, the same restaurant that was hit by an attack on January 19. The Islamic Jihad and Fatah’s Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades both claimed responsibility for the attack. The Hamas led PA government defended the suicide bombing, calling it an act of "self-defense." Hamas official spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri called the attack "a natural result of the continued Israeli crimes against our people".

# March 30, 2006: Four people were killed in a suicide bombing outside Kedumim in the northern West Bank. The Al-Aksa Martyrs Brigades took responsibility for the attack.

# January 19, 2006: At least 30 people were injured in a suicide bombing near the old central bus station in southern Tel Aviv. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.

# December 29, 2005: Three people were killed - two Palestinian civilians and an Israeli soldier - in a suicide bombing at a checkpoint near Tulkarm. The suicide bomber was apparently planning to target one of the many children's events taking place in Tel Aviv for the Hanukkah holiday, but was stopped at the checkpoint. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.

# December 5, 2005: Five people were killed and more than 50 others injured in a suicide bombing at the entrance of a shopping mall in Netanya. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.

# October 26, 2005: Six people were killed and 55 wounded in a suicide bombing in an outdoor market in the town of Hadera. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.

# October 16, 2005: Palestinian gunmen killed three Israelis and wounded as least 5 others in two separate drive-by shootings in the West Bank. The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for both attacks.

# August 28, 2005: A suicide bombing outside the Central Bus Station in Beersheba severly injured two security guards who stopped the bomber from entering the bus station. Islamic Jihad and Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.
* In April 2003, Iranian money designated for charity paid for a terror attack at a train station in the Tel Aviv suburb of Kfar Saba. The attack killed one Israeli and injured 15 others.
* In January 2003, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard funded a suicide attack in Tel Aviv through Fatah, the Palestinian Authority’s military arm. Fatah perpetrated the attack in the central bus station of Tel Aviv, killing 22 Israeli and foreign civilians.
* In April 2008, the Israel Defense Forces arrested Iranian-trained terrorist and would-be suicide bomber Ala Abu Madif, in southern Gaza. Madif had been involved in missile launches into Israel’s western Negev region and was planning to carry out a suicide bombing at the Kissufim crossing between Israel and Gaza. In Iran, Madif underwent physical training, navigation, weapons training (including light and heavy weapons operation, anti-tank weapons, hand grenades), target practice, assembly and operation of explosive devices and indoctrination lessons defining Israel and the U.S. as the sources of evil.


I could literally give you hundreds of examples, but what is the point?

Lets move on to the actual groups shall we?

First, Let's start with Hezbollah:

* Iran has provided Hezbollah with weapons, funding, guidance, and intelligence, transferring $100 million - $200 million to Hezbollah annually, in addition to an estimated $300 million after the war with Israel in 2006.
* The Qods force has trained more than 3,000 Hezbollah fighters in the use of anti-aircraft missiles, anti-tank missiles, surface-to-surface missiles and rockets, and unmanned aerial vehicles at camps inside Iran, and actively operates training facilities in Lebanon’s Bekaa Valley.
* Iranian aid to Hezbollah actually increased after Israel’s withdrawal from Lebanon in 2000 as Hezbollah expanded its military force in preparation for conflict. These preparations culminated in Hezbollah’s illegal cross-border attack on an Israeli border patrol in July 2006, sparking the 34-day Hezbollah-Israel war.
* A member of Hezbollah involved in the July 2006 abduction of Israeli soldiers Eldad Regev and Ehud Goldwasser admitted being trained in Iran along with 40-50 other Hezbollah members.
* In 2002, Israel seized the Karine A, a Palestinian Authority naval vessel containing 50 tons of advanced weaponry, including Katyusha rockets, rifles, mortar shells, mines and a variety of anti-tank missiles. Iran and Hezbollah had jointly loaded the material, routed for Palestinian Naval Police in Gaza.
* During the Hezbollah-Israel 2006 war, intelligence sources, Iranian agents assisted in firing a land-to-sea missile that almost sank an Israeli warship.
* Iran has been aggressively rearming Hezbollah since the end of the 2006 war. It is estimated that Hezbollah now has roughly 30,000 rockets in its possession – more than twice as many as it had before the 2006 war. The newly replenished arsenal includes about 10,000 long distance rockets. Hezbollah has 500 Iranian “Zilzal” guided missiles with ranges of 77, 136 and 186 miles, and an additional 4,000-6,000 Iranian “Fajr 3” and “Fajr 5” rockets with ranges of 27 and 46 miles respectively.
* Most Iranian missile supplies reach Hezbollah in Lebanon by sea or overland routes via Syria, though Iran is also transporting arms to Hezbollah by air using both civilian and military aircraft. Some of the longer range missiles, capable of reaching southern Israel from Beirut, are clandestinely transported through Turkey. Last May, the Turkish army found a concealed weapons shipment, including rockets, missiles, guns and ammunition, en route from Iran to Syria intended for Hezbollah.


Now Hamas:

Iranian funding of Hamas

* Iran has openly admitted its support for Hamas, an Islamic Palestinian group committed to the destruction of Israel and the replacement of the Palestinian Authority with an Islamic state on “every inch of Palestine.”

* Iran’s financial support of Hamas is estimated at $20 million -$30 million annually.
* In April 2006, Iran pledged $50 million in aid to Hamas. In November 2006, Iran, more than doubled its pledge, donating $120 million to Hamas.
* Since Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005, 150 Hamas terrorist operatives have completed training “courses” in Iran and another 150 were there as of July 2008. An additional 600 Hamas operatives have received similar instruction in Syria by Iranian-trained instructors.
* Hamas operatives undergo training in tactical warfare and weapons operation. They acquire skills for launching rockets, detonating improvised explosive devices, sniper tactics, and other terrorist and guerrilla warfare techniques, similar to those commonly used by Hezbollah.
* In 2008, Iran assisted Hamas in upgrading its mortar collection for attacks on the communities bordering Gaza.
* In the past two-and-a-half years, dozens of Iranian-manufactured Grad rockets and mortar shells have been launched from Gaza at areas in Israel’s western Negev region and the city of Ashkelon.
* In a meeting with Hamas Political Bureau Chief Khaled Mashaal in May 2008, Iran promised to provide Hamas with long-range missiles. Both Iran and Hamas claimed that they would amass arms regardless of any peace negotiations between Israel and Syria.
* In January 2009, more than 70,000 Iranian college students from universities throughout Iran volunteered to serve as suicide bombers to carry out attacks against Israel. This rush of volunteerism came after Iran’s Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, delivered a religious decree stating that anyone who carried out an attack against Israel to protect Palestinians in Gaza would be considered a martyr.

Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ):

* Iran is directly involved in providing financing, guidance and military training to PIJ, a Palestinian terrorist organization committed to Israel’s destruction and the establishment of an Islamic Palestinian state.
* PIJ is funded almost exclusively by Iran and receives most of its material support from the Qods force.
* PIJ officials live in Syria but keep a permanent representative in Iran, and travel there frequently to strengthen its ties with the Islamic Republic.
* In 2001, Ayatollah Ali Khomeini pledged to increase Iran’s funding of PIJ by 70 percent to recruit young Palestinians for suicide attacks in Israel.
* PIJ has carried out 422 bombings, shootings, and stabbings, killing 134 Israelis and wounding 880.
* A Palestinian intelligence official revealed that Iran promised a $10,000 reward if PIJ launched an attack from the West Bank to Tel Aviv.
* In 2003, PIJ became one of the first terrorist organizations to use women as suicide bombers.
April 2006: A conference commences in Tehran to raise money for Palestinian Islamic Jihad. PIJ leader Ramadan Shallah says the militant group was making "nonstop efforts" to infiltrate suicide bombers from the West Bank into Israel. From exile in Syria, Shallah emphasizes that the group will fight alongside Iran if attacked by the United States or Israel.
Feb 2005: After a PIJ attack in Tel Aviv killing four Israelis, Abbas refers to "third-party" interference as a hindrance to Israeli-Palestinian peace efforts, hinting at Syria and Iran's continued support of PIJ.
July 2003: Palestinian security forces claim they confiscated $3 million from PIJ which Iran had transferred to them.
2000-2003: [The second intifada]: PIJ increases attacks against Israel. A critical factor in PIJ's revival is an increase in Iranian funding.
May 2002: Dr. Ramadan Shalah, the Secretary-General of the Islamic Jihad Organization calls PIJ "…one of the many fruits on our leader Khomeini's tree." He calls the Islamic revolution the model for PIJ's struggle against Israel.
1993: A PIJ founder, Fathi Shiqaqi, begins to acknowledge that his group received Iranian funding and then channeled it to operatives in Gaza and the West Bank. "Iran gives us money and supports us," he said in an interview with Newsday, "then we supply the money and arms to the occupied territories and support the families of our people."
1987-1993: PIJ makes its first significant contact with Iran through operatives in southern Lebanon and in Damascus. They begin training at Hezbollah camps in Lebanon under the supervision of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. The Iranian-backed Lebanese militia Hezbollah and PIJ begin working closely together at the start of the 1987 intifada, carrying out hundreds of terrorist attacks against Israel.


OK, Let's look at the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine:

* The PFLP-GC is a secular, pan-Arab Palestinian organization with a strong military focus that rejects any political settlement with Israel. The PFLP-GC began receiving funds from Iran after it was expelled from Libya in 1989.
* The PFLP-GC’s relationship with Iran has been primarily for purposes of transferring arms to Hamas and the PIJ, though it also operates Iranian training camps in Syria and Lebanon.
* In September 2006 the U.S. Treasury Department blacklisted Saderat, one of Iran’s largest banks, citing the transfer of funds to the PFLP-GC, among other terrorist organizations.


Sources for all of this content includes, but is not limited to:

U.S. Department of State, “Designation of Iranian Entities and Individuals for Proliferation Activities and Support for Terrorism,” Oct. 25, 2007, retrieved July 6, 2008, http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2007/oct/94193.htm

O’Brien, James M., “Exporting Jihad: Iran’s use of non-state armed groups” The Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy & The Jebsen Center for Counter-Terrorism Studies, presented at 47th Annual International Studies Association, March 22, 2006
Partlow, Joshua, "U.S.: Iran, Hezbollah Training Iraqi Militants," The Washington Post, July 2, 2007 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/02/AR2007070200174.html?hpid=topnews
Schiff, Ze’ev, “Israel’s war with Iran,” Council on Foreign Relations, November/December 2006, http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20061101faessay85603/ze-ev-schiff/israel-s-war-with-iran.html
Charlaff, Joe, “Hezbollah rearming could have far reaching consequences for US,” HS Today, April 9, 2008, http://www.hstoday.us/content/view/2825/152/
Rotella, Sebastian, “In Lebanon, Hezbollah arms stockpile, bigger, deadlier,” The Los Angeles Times, May 4, 2008, http://articles.latimes.com/2008/may/04/world/fg-hezbollah4
Charlaff, Joe, “Hezbollah rearming could have far reaching consequences for US,” HS Today, April 9, 2008, http://www.hstoday.us/content/view/2825/152/
Rotella, Sebastian, “In Lebanon, Hezbollah arms stockpile, bigger, deadlier,” The Los Angeles Times, May 4, 2008, http://articles.latimes.com/2008/may/04/world/fg-hezbollah4
Rotella, Sebastian, “In Lebanon, Hezbollah arms stockpile, bigger, deadlier,” The Los Angeles Times, May 4, 2008, http://articles.latimes.com/2008/may/04/world/fg-hezbollah4
“Hamas Backgrounder,” Council on Foreign Relations, June 8, 2007, retrieved July 10, 2008, http://www.cfr.org/publication/8968/#2
Hamas," Council on Foreign Relations Web site, retrieved July 7, 2008, http://www.cfr.org/publication/8968/
Hamas Gets $50 M Boost From Iran,” CBS News, April 16, 2006 http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/16/world/main1501210.shtml
“Iran increase Palestinian aid to 120 million dollars,” Agence France-Press, Nov. 18, 2006.
Hamas," Council on Foreign Relations Web site, retrieved July 7, 2008, http://www.cfr.org/publication/8968/
Hamas," Council on Foreign Relations Web site, retrieved July 7, 2008, http://www.cfr.org/publication/8968/
Hamas," Council on Foreign Relations Web site, retrieved July 7, 2008, http://www.cfr.org/publication/8968/
“Iran says 70,000 volunteer for Israel fight,” The Associated Press, Jan. 5, 2009,
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g3Y3DBA09cm20SrlOg47GI4Ixp4gD95H5LI00
“List: Sanctioned Iranian Groups, People,” The Associated Press via SFGate, Oct. 25, 2007, retrieved Sept. 3, 2008, http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2007/10/25/national/w134555D43.DTL
Mahnaimi, Uzi, “Tehran ‘bounty’ for attack on Israel,” TimesOnline, Oct. 30, 2005, http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article584462.ece
“The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine – General Command (PFLP-GC),” CDI Terrorism Project, November 13, 2002, retrieved July 8, 2008, http://www.cdi.org/terrorism/pflp-gc.cfm
Levitt, Matthew A., "Iranian State Sponsorship of Terror: Threatening U.S. Security, Global Stability, and Regional Peace," The Washington Institute for Near East Policy, Feb. 16, 2005, www.washingtoninstitute.org/html/pdf/Iran-Testimony-2-16-05.pdf, pg. 5
“U.S. blacklists major Iranian bank,” BBC News, Sept. 8, 2006, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/5329326.stm

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So, Anyone have any ideas for the next old-school movie for the big screen tonight?

I'm thinking Platoon or Apocalypse Now....

[mikeb]

Why I feel compelled to waste my time with this, I'll never know...



Anyone who already understands that Iran is the foremost sponsor of terrorism, please ignore the rest of this post....

Following are some of the more valid points... Sources are to follow:

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First, Here is a primer based off of the following 2 sources:
[1] U.S. Department of State, “Designation of Iranian Entities and Individuals for Proliferation Activities and Support for Terrorism,” Oct. 25, 2007, retrieved July 6, 2008, http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2007/oct/94193.htm

[2] O’Brien, James M., “Exporting Jihad: Iran’s use of non-state armed groups” The Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy & The Jebsen Center for Counter-Terrorism Studies, presented at 47th Annual International Studies Association, March 22, 2006

The Islamic Republic of Iran is the world’s chief sponsor of terrorism. Its Qods Force, an elite unit of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) - a branch of the Iranian military - has had a long history of supporting terrorist organizations that target Israel. Iran has provided funding, material support, training and intelligence services to its three main proxies, Hezbollah, Hamas, and Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine – General Command (PFLP-GC).[1] These terrorist groups, which share the same basic ideological goals as Iran’s leadership, are in many ways extensions of Iran’s military network. They act as proxies for Tehran by attacking Israeli targets while providing reasonable deniability for the Iranian government on the international stage.[2]

Now that we all understand the overall point. let's delve into specifics shall we?

First. let's start with a list of somewhat recent terrorist attacks with those responsible (I will try to bold the responsible parties for easy reference):

February 4, 2008: A 73-year-old woman was killed and 40 people were wounded when a suicide bomber blew himself up in a shopping center in the southern city of Dimona. A second bomber was shot by a police officer who noticed him reaching for his explosive belt. Both Hamas’ armed wing, Izaddin Kassam, and Fatah's armed wing, the Aksa Martyrs Brigades, claimed responsibility for the attack.

# January 24, 2008: Two terrorists entered the Mekor Hayim High School Yeshiva in Kfar Etzion, south of Jerusalem, and stabbed two students. The terrorists were killed by two of the counselors in the room. The Izaddin al-Kassam's Martyrs Brigades, the Hamas military wing, claimed responsibility for the attack.

# January 24, 2008: Rami Zoari, 20, from Beersheba, a border police officer, was killed and another female officer was seriously wounded after terrorists approached the entrance to Shuafat refugee camp in northern Jerusalem and opened fire on a group of Israelis. The Battalions of Struggle and Return, a previously anonymous offshoot of Fatah's Al Aksa Martyrs' Brigades, claimed responsibility for the attack.

# January 29, 2007: Three people were killed in a suicide bombing in a bakery in Eilat, the first suicide bombing in the city. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.

# April 17, 2006: Nine people were killed and at least 40 wounded in a suicide bombing near the old central bus station in Tel Aviv. The blast ripped through Falafel Rosh Ha'ir, the same restaurant that was hit by an attack on January 19. The Islamic Jihad and Fatah’s Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades both claimed responsibility for the attack. The Hamas led PA government defended the suicide bombing, calling it an act of "self-defense." Hamas official spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri called the attack "a natural result of the continued Israeli crimes against our people".

# March 30, 2006: Four people were killed in a suicide bombing outside Kedumim in the northern West Bank. The Al-Aksa Martyrs Brigades took responsibility for the attack.

# January 19, 2006: At least 30 people were injured in a suicide bombing near the old central bus station in southern Tel Aviv. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.

# December 29, 2005: Three people were killed - two Palestinian civilians and an Israeli soldier - in a suicide bombing at a checkpoint near Tulkarm. The suicide bomber was apparently planning to target one of the many children's events taking place in Tel Aviv for the Hanukkah holiday, but was stopped at the checkpoint. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.

# December 5, 2005: Five people were killed and more than 50 others injured in a suicide bombing at the entrance of a shopping mall in Netanya. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.

# October 26, 2005: Six people were killed and 55 wounded in a suicide bombing in an outdoor market in the town of Hadera. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.

# October 16, 2005: Palestinian gunmen killed three Israelis and wounded as least 5 others in two separate drive-by shootings in the West Bank. The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for both attacks.

# August 28, 2005: A suicide bombing outside the Central Bus Station in Beersheba severly injured two security guards who stopped the bomber from entering the bus station. Islamic Jihad and Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.
* In April 2003, Iranian money designated for charity paid for a terror attack at a train station in the Tel Aviv suburb of Kfar Saba. The attack killed one Israeli and injured 15 others.
* In January 2003, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard funded a suicide attack in Tel Aviv through Fatah, the Palestinian Authority’s military arm. Fatah perpetrated the attack in the central bus station of Tel Aviv, killing 22 Israeli and foreign civilians.
* In April 2008, the Israel Defense Forces arrested Iranian-trained terrorist and would-be suicide bomber Ala Abu Madif, in southern Gaza. Madif had been involved in missile launches into Israel’s western Negev region and was planning to carry out a suicide bombing at the Kissufim crossing between Israel and Gaza. In Iran, Madif underwent physical training, navigation, weapons training (including light and heavy weapons operation, anti-tank weapons, hand grenades), target practice, assembly and operation of explosive devices and indoctrination lessons defining Israel and the U.S. as the sources of evil.


I could literally give you hundreds of examples, but what is the point?

Lets move on to the actual groups shall we?

First, Let's start with Hezbollah:

* Iran has provided Hezbollah with weapons, funding, guidance, and intelligence, transferring $100 million - $200 million to Hezbollah annually, in addition to an estimated $300 million after the war with Israel in 2006.
* The Qods force has trained more than 3,000 Hezbollah fighters in the use of anti-aircraft missiles, anti-tank missiles, surface-to-surface missiles and rockets, and unmanned aerial vehicles at camps inside Iran, and actively operates training facilities in Lebanon’s Bekaa Valley.
* Iranian aid to Hezbollah actually increased after Israel’s withdrawal from Lebanon in 2000 as Hezbollah expanded its military force in preparation for conflict. These preparations culminated in Hezbollah’s illegal cross-border attack on an Israeli border patrol in July 2006, sparking the 34-day Hezbollah-Israel war.
* A member of Hezbollah involved in the July 2006 abduction of Israeli soldiers Eldad Regev and Ehud Goldwasser admitted being trained in Iran along with 40-50 other Hezbollah members.
* In 2002, Israel seized the Karine A, a Palestinian Authority naval vessel containing 50 tons of advanced weaponry, including Katyusha rockets, rifles, mortar shells, mines and a variety of anti-tank missiles. Iran and Hezbollah had jointly loaded the material, routed for Palestinian Naval Police in Gaza.
* During the Hezbollah-Israel 2006 war, intelligence sources, Iranian agents assisted in firing a land-to-sea missile that almost sank an Israeli warship.
* Iran has been aggressively rearming Hezbollah since the end of the 2006 war. It is estimated that Hezbollah now has roughly 30,000 rockets in its possession – more than twice as many as it had before the 2006 war. The newly replenished arsenal includes about 10,000 long distance rockets. Hezbollah has 500 Iranian “Zilzal” guided missiles with ranges of 77, 136 and 186 miles, and an additional 4,000-6,000 Iranian “Fajr 3” and “Fajr 5” rockets with ranges of 27 and 46 miles respectively.
* Most Iranian missile supplies reach Hezbollah in Lebanon by sea or overland routes via Syria, though Iran is also transporting arms to Hezbollah by air using both civilian and military aircraft. Some of the longer range missiles, capable of reaching southern Israel from Beirut, are clandestinely transported through Turkey. Last May, the Turkish army found a concealed weapons shipment, including rockets, missiles, guns and ammunition, en route from Iran to Syria intended for Hezbollah.


Now Hamas:

Iranian funding of Hamas

* Iran has openly admitted its support for Hamas, an Islamic Palestinian group committed to the destruction of Israel and the replacement of the Palestinian Authority with an Islamic state on “every inch of Palestine.”

* Iran’s financial support of Hamas is estimated at $20 million -$30 million annually.
* In April 2006, Iran pledged $50 million in aid to Hamas. In November 2006, Iran, more than doubled its pledge, donating $120 million to Hamas.
* Since Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005, 150 Hamas terrorist operatives have completed training “courses” in Iran and another 150 were there as of July 2008. An additional 600 Hamas operatives have received similar instruction in Syria by Iranian-trained instructors.
* Hamas operatives undergo training in tactical warfare and weapons operation. They acquire skills for launching rockets, detonating improvised explosive devices, sniper tactics, and other terrorist and guerrilla warfare techniques, similar to those commonly used by Hezbollah.
* In 2008, Iran assisted Hamas in upgrading its mortar collection for attacks on the communities bordering Gaza.
* In the past two-and-a-half years, dozens of Iranian-manufactured Grad rockets and mortar shells have been launched from Gaza at areas in Israel’s western Negev region and the city of Ashkelon.
* In a meeting with Hamas Political Bureau Chief Khaled Mashaal in May 2008, Iran promised to provide Hamas with long-range missiles. Both Iran and Hamas claimed that they would amass arms regardless of any peace negotiations between Israel and Syria.
* In January 2009, more than 70,000 Iranian college students from universities throughout Iran volunteered to serve as suicide bombers to carry out attacks against Israel. This rush of volunteerism came after Iran’s Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, delivered a religious decree stating that anyone who carried out an attack against Israel to protect Palestinians in Gaza would be considered a martyr.

Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ):

* Iran is directly involved in providing financing, guidance and military training to PIJ, a Palestinian terrorist organization committed to Israel’s destruction and the establishment of an Islamic Palestinian state.
* PIJ is funded almost exclusively by Iran and receives most of its material support from the Qods force.
* PIJ officials live in Syria but keep a permanent representative in Iran, and travel there frequently to strengthen its ties with the Islamic Republic.
* In 2001, Ayatollah Ali Khomeini pledged to increase Iran’s funding of PIJ by 70 percent to recruit young Palestinians for suicide attacks in Israel.
* PIJ has carried out 422 bombings, shootings, and stabbings, killing 134 Israelis and wounding 880.
* A Palestinian intelligence official revealed that Iran promised a $10,000 reward if PIJ launched an attack from the West Bank to Tel Aviv.
* In 2003, PIJ became one of the first terrorist organizations to use women as suicide bombers.
April 2006: A conference commences in Tehran to raise money for Palestinian Islamic Jihad. PIJ leader Ramadan Shallah says the militant group was making "nonstop efforts" to infiltrate suicide bombers from the West Bank into Israel. From exile in Syria, Shallah emphasizes that the group will fight alongside Iran if attacked by the United States or Israel.
Feb 2005: After a PIJ attack in Tel Aviv killing four Israelis, Abbas refers to "third-party" interference as a hindrance to Israeli-Palestinian peace efforts, hinting at Syria and Iran's continued support of PIJ.
July 2003: Palestinian security forces claim they confiscated $3 million from PIJ which Iran had transferred to them.
2000-2003: [The second intifada]: PIJ increases attacks against Israel. A critical factor in PIJ's revival is an increase in Iranian funding.
May 2002: Dr. Ramadan Shalah, the Secretary-General of the Islamic Jihad Organization calls PIJ "…one of the many fruits on our leader Khomeini's tree." He calls the Islamic revolution the model for PIJ's struggle against Israel.
1993: A PIJ founder, Fathi Shiqaqi, begins to acknowledge that his group received Iranian funding and then channeled it to operatives in Gaza and the West Bank. "Iran gives us money and supports us," he said in an interview with Newsday, "then we supply the money and arms to the occupied territories and support the families of our people."
1987-1993: PIJ makes its first significant contact with Iran through operatives in southern Lebanon and in Damascus. They begin training at Hezbollah camps in Lebanon under the supervision of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. The Iranian-backed Lebanese militia Hezbollah and PIJ begin working closely together at the start of the 1987 intifada, carrying out hundreds of terrorist attacks against Israel.


OK, Let's look at the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine:

* The PFLP-GC is a secular, pan-Arab Palestinian organization with a strong military focus that rejects any political settlement with Israel. The PFLP-GC began receiving funds from Iran after it was expelled from Libya in 1989.
* The PFLP-GC’s relationship with Iran has been primarily for purposes of transferring arms to Hamas and the PIJ, though it also operates Iranian training camps in Syria and Lebanon.
* In September 2006 the U.S. Treasury Department blacklisted Saderat, one of Iran’s largest banks, citing the transfer of funds to the PFLP-GC, among other terrorist organizations.


Sources for all of this content includes, but is not limited to:

U.S. Department of State, “Designation of Iranian Entities and Individuals for Proliferation Activities and Support for Terrorism,” Oct. 25, 2007, retrieved July 6, 2008, http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2007/oct/94193.htm

O’Brien, James M., “Exporting Jihad: Iran’s use of non-state armed groups” The Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy & The Jebsen Center for Counter-Terrorism Studies, presented at 47th Annual International Studies Association, March 22, 2006
Partlow, Joshua, "U.S.: Iran, Hezbollah Training Iraqi Militants," The Washington Post, July 2, 2007 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/02/AR2007070200174.html?hpid=topnews
Schiff, Ze’ev, “Israel’s war with Iran,” Council on Foreign Relations, November/December 2006, http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20061101faessay85603/ze-ev-schiff/israel-s-war-with-iran.html
Charlaff, Joe, “Hezbollah rearming could have far reaching consequences for US,” HS Today, April 9, 2008, http://www.hstoday.us/content/view/2825/152/
Rotella, Sebastian, “In Lebanon, Hezbollah arms stockpile, bigger, deadlier,” The Los Angeles Times, May 4, 2008, http://articles.latimes.com/2008/may/04/world/fg-hezbollah4
Charlaff, Joe, “Hezbollah rearming could have far reaching consequences for US,” HS Today, April 9, 2008, http://www.hstoday.us/content/view/2825/152/
Rotella, Sebastian, “In Lebanon, Hezbollah arms stockpile, bigger, deadlier,” The Los Angeles Times, May 4, 2008, http://articles.latimes.com/2008/may/04/world/fg-hezbollah4
Rotella, Sebastian, “In Lebanon, Hezbollah arms stockpile, bigger, deadlier,” The Los Angeles Times, May 4, 2008, http://articles.latimes.com/2008/may/04/world/fg-hezbollah4
“Hamas Backgrounder,” Council on Foreign Relations, June 8, 2007, retrieved July 10, 2008, http://www.cfr.org/publication/8968/#2
Hamas," Council on Foreign Relations Web site, retrieved July 7, 2008, http://www.cfr.org/publication/8968/
Hamas Gets $50 M Boost From Iran,” CBS News, April 16, 2006 http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/16/world/main1501210.shtml
“Iran increase Palestinian aid to 120 million dollars,” Agence France-Press, Nov. 18, 2006.
Hamas," Council on Foreign Relations Web site, retrieved July 7, 2008, http://www.cfr.org/publication/8968/
Hamas," Council on Foreign Relations Web site, retrieved July 7, 2008, http://www.cfr.org/publication/8968/
Hamas," Council on Foreign Relations Web site, retrieved July 7, 2008, http://www.cfr.org/publication/8968/
“Iran says 70,000 volunteer for Israel fight,” The Associated Press, Jan. 5, 2009,
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g3Y3DBA09cm20SrlOg47GI4Ixp4gD95H5LI00
“List: Sanctioned Iranian Groups, People,” The Associated Press via SFGate, Oct. 25, 2007, retrieved Sept. 3, 2008, http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2007/10/25/national/w134555D43.DTL
Mahnaimi, Uzi, “Tehran ‘bounty’ for attack on Israel,” TimesOnline, Oct. 30, 2005, http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article584462.ece
“The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine – General Command (PFLP-GC),” CDI Terrorism Project, November 13, 2002, retrieved July 8, 2008, http://www.cdi.org/terrorism/pflp-gc.cfm
Levitt, Matthew A., "Iranian State Sponsorship of Terror: Threatening U.S. Security, Global Stability, and Regional Peace," The Washington Institute for Near East Policy, Feb. 16, 2005, www.washingtoninstitute.org/html/pdf/Iran-Testimony-2-16-05.pdf, pg. 5
“U.S. blacklists major Iranian bank,” BBC News, Sept. 8, 2006, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/5329326.stm

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So, Anyone have any ideas for the next old-school movie for the big screen tonight?

I'm thinking Platoon or Apocalypse Now....

Good try, but "Z" will just discredit your sources, and ask more meaningless questions and make spurious points to wear you down. Typical liberal arguing style. You'll never get to the end of his questions, and when you finally give up he'll claim victory. He's not interested in an honest debate, rather he likes the argument itself and likes using big words.

What is interesting is that his family moved away from iran to escape being persecuted and killed, but yet he defends the very people that want to kill him and his family :dunce:

Ignore is a wonderful feature.

[MR TINFOIL HAT]

Obama will back Israel or he won't be president anymore. I know it sounds crazy but the Jews run this bitch, they really do.

Quoted for the truth.

[Denny]

Kauffy, you're all right in my book.

[Fox466]

Nice post 88K. But like Mike said, numbnuts won't listen. Most of us have found that the best way to deal with him is to simply overlook his ignorant drivel...

[Bubbaearl]

But he read it in a book so it has to be true . He reminds me of the robe boys at the airport in the 60's .

[Denny]

But he read it in a book so it has to be true . He reminds me of the robe boys at the airport in the 60's .

Hare Krishna

[fitzwell]

Ribs?!?! I'll be in the States from May 21st-30th... hook an infidel up!!!!


How about a chauffered trip down..... :biggrin:

[Denny]

how about a chauffered trip down..... :biggrin:

in!!!!

[Bubbaearl]

damn it denny ! now i'm gonna be hearing that damn song all day. took 30 years to get that shit out of my head . we dont use the hk word around here.

[46Tbird]

What is interesting is that his family moved away from iran to escape being persecuted and killed, but yet he defends the very people that want to kill him and his family :dunce:That is the part that I don't understand.

The country/leadership/culture of Iran is so intolerant and brutal that his family was forced into exile.. yet he comes here trumpeting their multicultural, accepting, tolerant and benevolent society. What a load of shit.

It would be comical if,...

Well hell, it IS pretty funny that there are some people that stupid in the world.

[Denny]

damn it denny ! now i'm gonna be hearing that damn song all day. took 30 years to get that shit out of my head . we dont use the hk word around here.

Krishna Krishna...

[46Tbird]

I really want to see you... really want to be with you...
Really want to see you, Lord, but it takes so looong

[Bubbaearl]

sorry but i was a red neck hippie back then. if them fools didn't leave me alone i gave them a reason to pray. biggest morons i ever ran into. thicker than ticks in july back in the 60's.