Obama coming after more of your rights.

[Slowhand]

Obama legal team wants to limit defendants' rights

By MARK SHERMAN
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Obama administration is asking the Supreme Court to overrule long-standing law that stops police from initiating questions unless a defendant's lawyer is present, another stark example of the White House seeking to limit rather than expand rights.

The administration's action - and several others - have disappointed civil rights and civil liberties groups that expected President Barack Obama to reverse the policies of his Republican predecessor, George W. Bush, after the Democrat's call for change during the 2008 campaign.

Since taking office, Obama has drawn criticism for backing the continued imprisonment of enemy combatants in Afghanistan without trial, invoking the "state secrets" privilege to avoid releasing information in lawsuits and limiting the rights of prisoners to test genetic evidence used to convict them.

The case at issue is Michigan v. Jackson, in which the Supreme Court said in 1986 that police may not initiate questioning of a defendant who has a lawyer or has asked for one, unless the attorney is present. The decision applies even to defendants who agree to talk to the authorities without their lawyers.

Anything police learn through such questioning cannot be used against the defendant at trial. The opinion was written by Justice John Paul Stevens, the only current justice who was on the court at the time.

The justices could decide as early as Friday whether they want to hear arguments on the issue as they wrestle with an ongoing case from Louisiana that involves police questioning of an indigent defendant that led to a murder confession and a death sentence.

The Justice Department, in a brief signed by Solicitor General Elena Kagan, said the 1986 decision "serves no real purpose" and offers only "meager benefits." The government said defendants who don't wish to talk to police don't have to and that officers must respect that decision. But it said there is no reason a defendant who wants to should not be able to respond to officers' questions.

At the same time, the administration acknowledges that the decision "only occasionally prevents federal prosecutors from obtaining appropriate convictions."

The administration's legal move is a reminder that Obama, who has moved from campaigning to governing, now speaks for federal prosecutors.

The administration's position assumes a level playing field, with equally savvy police and criminal suspects, lawyers on the other side of the case said. But the protection offered by the court in Stevens' 1986 opinion is especially important for vulnerable defendants, including the mentally and developmentally disabled, addicts, juveniles and the poor, the lawyers said.

"Your right to assistance of counsel can be undermined if somebody on the other side who is much more sophisticated than you are comes and talks to you and asks for information," said Sidney Rosdeitcher, a New York lawyer who advises the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University.

Stephen B. Bright, a lawyer who works with poor defendants at the Southern Center for Human Rights in Atlanta, said the administration's position "is disappointing, no question."

Bright said that poor defendants' constitutional right to a lawyer, spelled out by the high court in 1965, has been neglected in recent years. "I would hope that this administration would be doing things to shore up the right to counsel for poor people accused of crimes," said Bright, whose group joined with the Brennan Center and other rights organizations in a court filing opposing the administration's position.

Former Deputy Attorney General Larry Thompson and former FBI Director William Sessions are among 19 one-time judges and prosecutors urging the court to leave the decision in place because it has been incorporated into routine police practice and establishes a rule on interrogations that is easy to follow.

Eleven states also are echoing the administration's call to overrule the 1986 case.

Justice Samuel Alito first raised the prospect of overruling the decision at arguments in January over the rights of Jesse Montejo, the Louisiana death row inmate.

Montejo's lawyer, Donald Verrilli, urged the court not to do it. Since then, Verrilli has joined the Justice Department, but played no role in the department's brief.

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Chains we can believe in.

[Denny]

Good luck with that one! Like I'd say shit anyway... until they waterboard me, maybe.

[CoorsLightCoupe]

Good luck with that one! Like I'd say shit anyway... until they waterboard me, maybe.

So i guess you won't be talking! :sgrin:

[tazz007]

Eleven states also are echoing the administration's call to overrule the 1986 case.


Really?

Some how I don't think the PEOPLE of these States are calling for less rights.
I'll just bet it's the Liberal (Communist) representatives calling to kill more of your rights. What ya bet?

[Vertnut]

Just heard today, that by next week, we will have a national health care program. They're "back-dooring" it through the house and senate, with little more than 35 hours of discussion. There's a loophole involving the "budget", that allows the senate to vote on it without confering with the republican party. It only requires a straight-out majority, which the dems easily have. Adolph Fidel Obama will be on "prime-time" TV next Wednesday night on all network stations, to discuss his many accomplishments during his first 100 days in office.

[jyro]

Just heard today, that by next week, we will have a national health care program. They're "back-dooring" it through the house and senate, with little more than 35 hours of discussion. There's a loophole involving the "budget", that allows the senate to vote on it without confering with the republican party. It only requires a straight-out majority, which the dems easily have. Adolph Fidel Obama will be on "prime-time" TV next Wednesday night on all network stations, to discuss his many accomplishments during his first 100 days in office.


What else can they screw up?
Their going to rewrite credit law too.

Before they are done, we'll all be totally dependent on the gouv. for all, that's their plan. It's how they will try control us.

[TexasDevilDog]

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[Sean88gt]

Just heard today, that by next week, we will have a national health care program. They're "back-dooring" it through the house and senate, with little more than 35 hours of discussion. There's a loophole involving the "budget", that allows the senate to vote on it without confering with the republican party. It only requires a straight-out majority, which the dems easily have. Adolph Fidel Obama will be on "prime-time" TV next Wednesday night on all network stations, to discuss his many accomplishments during his first 100 days in office.

People do not want this. It's kind of a 'not in my backyard' issue. Yeah, help the poor, but I shouldn't be forced to buy it or be jailed if I can't afford it.

[Vertnut]

People do not want this. It's kind of a 'not in my backyard' issue. Yeah, help the poor, but I shouldn't be forced to buy it or be jailed if I can't afford it.

"Health-care" makes up 17% of our economy, and soon, uncle Barry and his gestapo will control it. This is friggin' scary, man. I've been around longer than most board members, and seen a lot of bad shit come out of D.C. (LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Clinton, Bush I and II), and for the first time in my life, I'm scared.

[tazz007]

"Health-care" makes up 17% of our economy, and soon, uncle Barry and his gestapo will control it. This is friggin' scary, man. I've been around longer than most board members, and seen a lot of bad shit come out of D.C. (LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Clinton, Bush I and II), and for the first time in my life, I'm scared.

I'm going to have to agree with this one 100%. Although I can't say I remember LBJ.

By everything he is doing, it seems like he wants America to revolt, so he can impose martial law on the nation. And this would be a bad thing, considering the laws in place at the moment.

Summary:
With all the laws in place at the moment, if martial law was imposed, all powers of the government would transfer to F.E.M.A. Which by the was has no elected officials. And congress can not even review the situation for 6 months.

My question to you.

If , a megalomaniac was is in charge of F.E.M.A. at the time martial law is imposed.

Do you thing congress will exist 6 months later?

These laws really need to be changes. And the only way to do this is to vote out every one in congress in 2010, and demand that these presidential orders, and laws are changed.

It this does not happen......... I do fear the worst.


As far as national health care? You mean like Mexico? Where people are dieing from the flu? And our private health care has recorded none? Hummmmmm.... Yeah, I want that! Where are headed for hell in a hand bad.

[Vertnut]

I'm going to have to agree with this one 100%. Although I can't say I remember LBJ.

By everything he is doing, it seems like he wants America to revolt, so he can impose martial law on the nation. And this would be a bad thing, considering the laws in place at the moment.

Summary:
With all the laws in place at the moment, if martial law was imposed, all powers of the government would transfer to F.E.M.A. Which by the was has no elected officials. And congress can not even review the situation for 6 months.

My question to you.

If , a megalomaniac was is in charge of F.E.M.A. at the time martial law is imposed.

Do you thing congress will exist 6 months later?

These laws really need to be changes. And the only way to do this is to vote out every one in congress in 2010, and demand that these presidential orders, and laws are changed.

It this does not happen......... I do fear the worst.


As far as national health care? You mean like Mexico? Where people are dieing from the flu? And our private health care has recorded none? Hummmmmm.... Yeah, I want that! Where are headed for hell in a hand bad.

This swine flu issue in Mexico, is becoming our problem. Due to a lack of health care "ability", the Mexicans cannot stop it. I see widespread epidemic there, which will expose us, due to our lack of willingness to close our border...

[Denny]

This swine flu issue in Mexico, is becoming our problem. Due to a lack of health care "ability", the Mexicans cannot stop it. I see widespread epidemic there, which will expose us, due to our lack of willingness to close our border...

What made us great will also be the end of us, unfortunately. Maybe not this, persay, but something dealing with our arms being stretched out to someone.

[Fox466]

This swine flu issue in Mexico, is becoming our problem. Due to a lack of health care "ability", the Mexicans cannot stop it. I see widespread epidemic there, which will expose us, due to our lack of willingness to close our border...

Pandemic would be the correct term sir.


Or, as the good book refers to it, a plague...

[Vertnut]

Pandemic would be the correct term sir.


Or, as the good book refers to it, a plague...

Ah, yes. The Plague...reminds me of my favorite Stephen King novel, "The Stand".

[GT Dan]

Just heard today, that by next week, we will have a national health care program. They're "back-dooring" it through the house and senate, with little more than 35 hours of discussion. There's a loophole involving the "budget", that allows the senate to vote on it without confering with the republican party. It only requires a straight-out majority, which the dems easily have. Adolph Fidel Obama will be on "prime-time" TV next Wednesday night on all network stations, to discuss his many accomplishments during his first 100 days in office.

The term you're looking for is called "reconciliation." Congressman Paul Ryan of the House Budget Committee was on the Radio Friday. He wasn't even notified there was a meeting and heard about this crap on the news.

The DEMS want this done before Wednesday so Obama can claim in as a victory during his first 100 days... Its unreal what these idiots are doing to this country...

Here's more information...

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NWExY2I2MjdjZTMwMjM5NzQ2YTBhYzhiZGIwNjliZWE=

[Fox466]

Ah, yes. The Plague...reminds me of my favorite Stephen King novel, "The Stand".

Very good book, that one. Much better than The Long Walk, which was always one of my favs...

[Vertnut]

The term you're looking for is called "reconciliation." Congressman Paul Ryan of the House Budget Committee was on the Radio Friday. He wasn't even notified there was a meeting and heard about this crap on the news.

The DEMS want this done before Wednesday so Obama can claim in as a victory during his first 100 days... Its unreal what these idiots are doing to this country...

Here's more information...

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NWExY2I2MjdjZTMwMjM5NzQ2YTBhYzhiZGIwNjliZWE=

That's it, Dan. I heard the same gentleman. WTF? Talk about a hopeless feeling...

[331coupe]

what?

[331coupe]

we should have a universal healthcare system

[Sean88gt]

we should have a universal healthcare system

Strong argument! Way to back it up with facts and examples. Dumbass.

[Vertnut]

we should have a universal healthcare system

You can go to Parkland any time you like. What else do you need?

[331coupe]

Strong argument! Way to back it up with facts and examples. Dumbass.
there is no argument. what facts and examples are you talking about? stated a fact that would be better for everyone. do you feel better about yourself calling me a dumbass?? hope so. are you the guy that lives in Garland and was going to buy a s-trim from my buddy donald??

[331coupe]

You can go to Parkland any time you like. What else do you need?
you can't be serious

[Vertnut]

you can't be serious

It's free, and it's good enough for the illegals and low-lifes', so why not? It's free health care!

[Sean88gt]

there is no argument. what facts and examples are you talking about? stated a fact that would be better for everyone. do you feel better about yourself calling me a dumbass?? hope so. are you the guy that lives in Garland and was going to buy a s-trim from my buddy donald??

It's not a fact. Dig a little deeper and look at how the systems have failed in the major countries that pushed socialized medicine.

No, not from Garland. Nor would I buy a place there.

[331coupe]

"socialized" medicine, haha. yeah england, germany, canada, they are all sorts of messed up huh?? seems they got something figured out.

[Sean88gt]

"socialized" medicine, haha. yeah england, germany, canada, they are all sorts of messed up huh?? seems they got something figured out.

Oh yeah, bankrupt systems, care structures based on how much 'paying into the system' someone has left in them - ie, a 20 yr old kid will get care over a 50 yr old, regardless of severity, outrageous taxes to pay for a broken system, level after level of bureaucratic mess and severely diminished quality of life.

[331coupe]

these systems have not failed. taxes would actually be apportioned properly, and the care for people does not suffer. lived in germany for five years and witnessed this system at work. at this time I have friends in the netherlands, germany, and the uk.

[Sean88gt]

these systems have not failed. [b]taxes would actually be apportioned properly[b], and the care for people does not suffer. lived in germany for five years and witnessed this system at work. at this time I have friends in the netherlands, germany, and the uk.
Ahh yes, the redistribution thing again!
Good for you, I have customers in Europe that own/run businesses and talk about how they have been crippled, and their profits raped because they have to support these failed systems.

Obama's smartest choice was to convince the idiots that pay nothing that they should pay less. Once he had the idiots behind him, everything else was easy.

[MadMax404m]

these systems have not failed. taxes would actually be apportioned properly, and the care for people does not suffer. lived in germany for five years and witnessed this system at work. at this time I have friends in the netherlands, germany, and the uk.

Is this why people from Canada cross into our borders when they get sick? They know it will take weeks to see a professional, heck if you get diagnosed with cancer it takes months possibly years to get treated. From first hand experience talking with our patients from Canada, Germany, UK I would say these systems have failed.

[331coupe]

more like people are going up there

[331coupe]

i say its pretty messed up to put someone into debt to save their life

[Sean88gt]

i say its pretty messed up to put someone into debt to save their life

VS. living poor because of oppressive tax rates?

Here is the easiest argument - Shouldn't I have the right to make the decision if I want to pay for health care or not?

[331coupe]

people don't get turned away. lets go with this, we don't have to wait as long for a surgery, why?? cause there are people who can't afford treatment and just die?? or is it that money just fixes it all?? we have more doctors??? awesome, give them good salaries and lets help some people.

[Vertnut]

Canada, England, France, among other countries with "socialized medicine" programs, are starting to "disqualify" some cancer patient's because the "government" feels that the treatment is too expensive to keep them alive. So now, those governments' politicians get to choose who lives and dies. You like that? Drug companies in those countries do not have the funds to continue research and development on cures for illnesses, because they can't make money on prescriptions due to those governments dictating prices. You like that? Typical cancers (breast, colon, stomach, etc.) have up to a 30% higher mortality rate in a "socialized" program, due to the waiting period to see a doctor, and the fact that they don't have the drugs available to them. You like that? Man, this is easy...

[331coupe]

living poor??? oppressive tax rates??? no we just live poor anyway because our controlled monetary politics

[331coupe]

VS. living poor because of oppressive tax rates?

Here is the easiest argument - Shouldn't I have the right to make the decision if I want to pay for health care or not?

I see your view on the choice thing tho.

[Vertnut]

people don't get turned away. lets go with this, we don't have to wait as long for a surgery, why?? cause there are people who can't afford treatment and just die?? or is it that money just fixes it all?? we have more doctors??? awesome, give them good salaries and lets help some people.

Son...you're a dumbass, but I'm guessing you already know that. Canada considers gall bladder surgery, an "elective" surgery, or in other words, non life-threatening. Hernia's are considered the same. Speaking from experience, I almost died from a ruptured hernia, and had it not been for a quick response from a surgeon at Methodist Hospital, it could have been dicey for me.

[331coupe]

so you are telling me that had you been in canada they would have just let you die?? doubt it.

[Sean88gt]

living poor??? oppressive tax rates??? no we just live poor anyway because our controlled monetary politics

I do well and don't live poor, but I also haven't been saddled with the cost of medical care for those unwilling to work or pay for their own insurance. That could change.

And for me it comes down to choice. I should be required by law to pay $500 a month for government health care or face jail time/fines.

It is yet another tax.

[Vertnut]

so you are telling me that had you been in canada they would have just let you die?? doubt it.

The point is, they may not have known to do anything about it, or had a surgeon right there, and ready to go. Please wake up! I hope you're a very young person, because you are really naive...

[JP135]

these systems have not failed. taxes would actually be apportioned properly, and the care for people does not suffer. lived in germany for five years and witnessed this system at work. at this time I have friends in the netherlands, germany, and the uk.

I have friends in the UK and Canada as well. The one in the UK says the BEST part of his executive benefit package is private health care. Not the money. Not the perks. But being able to pick his own doctor and be reasonably sure he will get appropriate medical care.

The ones in Canada come here and stand in line at our county hospitals and claim they are US citizens who lost their identification, so they can get in to see the doctor sometime within the first month of getting sick.

I'm concur Vertnut's assessment of you.

[stinginstang]

more like people are going up there

no - Americans are NOT going to Canada for healthcare.

[331coupe]

many willing, not so many jobs. kind of a limited chance there. so fuck the people that get left behind?? not much compassion amongst many here. pass your judgement to think someone is a dumbass by expressing a view and maybe trying to learn and gain more info. i don't just read one script of propaganda and form an opinion. bunch of hypocritical, holier than thou types. but I guess you got it all figured out. texts on a forum should be a stimulus for new opinions and views. hold the insults, truly not needed unless this is the only way you feel you get your point across.

[Vertnut]

many willing, not so many jobs. kind of a limited chance there. so fuck the people that get left behind?? not much compassion amongst many here. pass your judgement to think someone is a dumbass by expressing a view and maybe trying to learn and gain more info. i don't just read one script of propaganda and form an opinion. bunch of hypocritical, holier than thou types. but I guess you got it all figured out. texts on a forum should be a stimulus for new opinions and views. hold the insults, truly not needed unless this is the only way you feel you get your point across.

Hypocritical? Because you got pummeled on about every topic you threw out there? One thing about this bunch: whichever side you're on, you'd better have on your big-girl panties. Am I always right? No...but I like to think I am.:banana:

[Denny]

more like people are going up there

People leave the UK and Canada to get "better treatment" in places like India. No one goes to Canada for care.

[bjtheman1]

so you are telling me that had you been in canada they would have just let you die?? doubt it.

Actually the chances of that are high, Canada's system can't afford enough adequate doctors, surgeons, etc for their population. Even for life threating illness you have to be put on a list to be seen, which can take from days to weeks! This includes procedures as well.
And most definitely people from the US don't to Canda for better healthcare.

You've been watching too many Michael Moore Movies. :pokey:

[331coupe]

Hypocritical? Because you got pummeled on about every topic you threw out there? One thing about this bunch: whichever side you're on, you'd better have on your big-girl panties. Am I always right? No...but I like to think I am.:banana:
pummeled? no, just received opinions. always got my big girl she-ra panties on, just sayin insults aren't needed, truly irrelevant.

[331coupe]

ok, lets leave the canada and uk thing behind. so what can we do to improve our terrible health insurance and care cost?? we have the resources to provide care for everyone, just greeedy people see to much profit. I will say it is terrible how some get left behind and it wasn't their bad decisions that got them there.

[Denny]

ok, lets leave the canada and uk thing behind. so what can we do to improve our terrible health insurance and care cost?? we have the resources to provide care for everyone, just greeedy people see to much profit. I will say it is terrible how some get left behind and it wasn't their bad decisions that got them there.

What about pollution caps? They're the answer to everything!

[331coupe]

Actually the chances of that are high, Canada's system can't afford enough adequate doctors, surgeons, etc for their population. Even for life threating illness you have to be put on a list to be seen, which can take from days to weeks! This includes procedures as well.
And most definitely people from the US don't to Canda for better healthcare.

You've been watching too many Michael Moore Movies. :pokey:

He may be using some one sided ties, but he has the right idea!

[Denny]

He may be using some one sided ties, but he has the right idea!

Really?!?! LMFAO!!! In what respect?

[331coupe]

What about pollution caps? They're the answer to everything!

would be great if all power went to solar, wind and water energy. we have the resources to harness the power, so why should we not use it?

[331coupe]

Really?!?! LMFAO!!! In what respect?

I would hope that you being a christian man would share some of his ideas. his propaganda seems to push the idea of compassion for all humans on this earth.

[Denny]

would be great if all power went to solar, wind and water energy. we have the resources to harness the power, so why should we not use it?

While we're at it, we can use all those trillions of Monopoly money to build one big, huge solar panel to power the world AND buy everyone a Coca Cola. Peace on earth at last!

[Bobba Fett]

would be great if all power went to solar, wind and water energy. we have the resources to harness the power, so why should we not use it?

Again with another energy debate.

WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OF THESE TECHNOLOGIES TO SUPPLY PUBLIC DEMAND. What do you liberals not understand about that???? Forcing energy companies to use these technologies which won't meet demand will only cause rolling blackouts and higher energy costs.

C02 IS NOT A POLLUTANT. WATER VAPOR IS THE MAIN FACTOR IN GLOBAL WARMING.
Why do you liberals ignore this fact??? How can you believe that what we exhale is a pollutant?

[Denny]

I would hope that you being a christian man would share some of his ideas. his propaganda seems to push the idea of compassion for all humans on this earth.

No, he just likes controversy. This is why his whole life's works are built off of propaganda and half-truths. I'm all for doing what's best for mankind, not for lying to millions, just to take a cheap shot at government and make a buck. He's a space cadet.

[331coupe]

While we're at it, we can use all those trillions of Monopoly money to build one big, huge solar panel to power the world AND buy everyone a Coca Cola. Peace on earth at last!

all of the currency out there was produced in the same fashion, out of thin air. none of it is backed by anything, it has no value. all money is debt as it is owed to someone, somewhere. so you think these forms of energy production are not capable of producing power needed?

[331coupe]

No, he just likes controversy. This is why his whole life's works are built off of propaganda and half-truths. I'm all for doing what's best for mankind, not for lying to millions, just to take a cheap shot at government and make a buck. He's a space cadet.

I can see how that agenda might be there.

[Denny]

Again with another energy debate.

WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OF THESE TECHNOLOGIES TO SUPPLY PUBLIC DEMAND. What do you liberals not understand about that???? Forcing energy companies to use these technologies which won't meet demand will only cause rolling blackouts and higher energy costs.

C02 IS NOT A POLLUTANT. WATER VAPOR IS THE MAIN FACTOR IN GLOBAL WARMING.
Why do you liberals ignore this fact??? How can you believe that what we exhale is a pollutant?

Dude, you're just a bounty hunter. What do you know? LOL

[Denny]

all of the currency out there was produced in the same fashion, out of thin air. none of it is backed by anything, it has no value. all money is debt as it is owed to someone, somewhere. so you think these forms of energy production are not capable of producing power needed?

Controlled printing of said money keeps away inflation. We're about to pass go without collecting $200.



I was badass at that game. I bet I can beat Obama (if he doesn't print his own during the game).

[Bobba Fett]

Dude, you're just a bounty hunter. What do you know? LOL

Exactly.

I'm just tired of coming to these threads, expecting substance, and finding none. I'm tried of hearing these moderate and liberal lies and no one standing up to them. I figure if no one else will, it might as well be me.

[331coupe]

Again with another energy debate.

WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OF THESE TECHNOLOGIES TO SUPPLY PUBLIC DEMAND. What do you liberals not understand about that???? Forcing energy companies to use these technologies which won't meet demand will only cause rolling blackouts and higher energy costs.

C02 IS NOT A POLLUTANT. WATER VAPOR IS THE MAIN FACTOR IN GLOBAL WARMING.
Why do you liberals ignore this fact??? How can you believe that what we exhale is a pollutant?

Carbon Dioxide: least of concerns. what about carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxide, sulfur dioxide, mercury?

We don't have enough of these technologies??? Coal is only responsible for about 60% of our energy production.

[331coupe]

Controlled printing of said money keeps away inflation. We're about to pass go without collecting $200.



I was badass at that game. I bet I can beat Obama (if he doesn't print his own during the game).

money is given its value by how much is in circulation yes??? so how is inflation being fixed by more inflation??

[Denny]

Carbon Dioxide: least of concerns. what about carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxide, sulfur dioxide, mercury?

We don't have enough of these technologies??? Coal is only responsible for about 60% of our energy production.

Where is all this bullshit coming from?!?! I swear, do you know what happens if you breathe in nitrogen? (hint: I'm taking in about 75% now). LMFAO!!!

Mercury?!?! ROTFLMMFGDAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Denny]

Exactly.

I'm just tired of coming to these threads, expecting substance, and finding none. I'm tried of hearing these moderate and liberal lies and no one standing up to them. I figure if no one else will, it might as well be me.

I've been doing it for years and it got to me too much. Now I just have fun with it.

[Denny]

money is given its value by how much is in circulation yes??? so how is inflation being fixed by more inflation??

THAT is what you should be asking your messiah!

[331coupe]

Where is all this bullshit coming from?!?! I swear, do you know what happens if you breathe in nitrogen? (hint: I'm taking in about 75% now). LMFAO!!!

Mercury?!?! ROTFLMMFGDAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by products of coal burning plants.

[331coupe]

THAT is what you should be asking your messiah!

and who is my messiah??

[Denny]

by products of coal burning plants.

Seriouly? You know if you burn coal at a high enough temperature, it won't do shit to the atmosphere, right?

I've worked with HAZWASTE incinerators before and some of the crap that gets torched in there is KILLER, but burned hot enough... poof!

[Denny]

and who is my messiah??

Obama of Kenya

[Bubbaearl]

i am fucking speechless .....................

[331coupe]

Seriouly? You know if you burn coal at a high enough temperature, it won't do shit to the atmosphere, right?

I've worked with HAZWASTE incinerators before and some of the crap that gets torched in there is KILLER, but burned hot enough... poof!

apparently not, cause it is and has been. no matter how hot you burn something, there is a by product.

[331coupe]

Obama of Kenya

I didn't vote for that guy. there are never good options.

[Denny]

apparently not, cause it is and has been. no matter how hot you burn something, there is a by product.

BUT the by product isn't harmful to the atmosphere.

[331coupe]

i am fucking speechless .....................

then why chime in? apparently you had something to say bubba

[Denny]

I didn't vote for that guy. there are never good options.

Well, he'd be happy to have you after reading these posts.

[Denny]

then why chime in? apparently you had something to say bubba

It's like looking at a tipped over trash truck and you don't know where to begin to clean up... kinda overwhelming.

[331coupe]

BUT the by product isn't harmful to the atmosphere.

got anything to back that up? I see where they are talking about coal gasification, but that just puts it back into the earth, not the air.

[331coupe]

I always enjoy this type of chat, you get all sorts of views from people. this should viewed as a simple debate but some get all crazy and like to throw insults due to insecurities or the fact that they are just dickheads.

[Bobba Fett]

I've been doing it for years and it got to me too much. Now I just have fun with it.

I know, I've read most of your posts these past years. It's so sad to see these libs and moderates destroy what you put your life on the line for. God bless people like you, Denny.

[331coupe]

there is no god to bless anyone. I gave my time to the marine corps.

[Bobba Fett]

I'm just tired of coming to these threads, expecting substance, and finding none.

there is no god to bless anyone. I gave my time to the marine corps.

My point proven.

[331coupe]

looking for more substance than a mythical figure? not to hard

[Bobba Fett]

looking for more substance than a mythical figure? not to hard

Last time I checked, this was the political forum, not the theology forum.

[331coupe]

excellent. enjoy your time! no sarcasm, you guys take care and thanks for your views and opinions!

[Denny]

I know, I've read most of your posts these past years. It's so sad to see these libs and moderates destroy what you put your life on the line for. God bless people like you, Denny.

No problem, bro. The few people that appreciate it is greater than the masses that don't.

[Denny]

got anything to back that up? I see where they are talking about coal gasification, but that just puts it back into the earth, not the air.

Look up the physical and chemical property changes of substances at certain temperatures. You can do it with ANY substance.

[Denny]

there is no god to bless anyone. I gave my time to the marine corps.

That's got to be a sad way to go through life. I'm sorry.

[Vertnut]

there is no god to bless anyone. I gave my time to the marine corps.

That explains a lot about your stance on things.

[Sean88gt]

there is no god to bless anyone. I gave my time to the marine corps.

:banghead:

Another one of these??

[forever_frost]

So.....since I served in the Army Infantry, does that mean there is no God for me either? This sucks.

[331coupe]

quite enjoyable way to go actually. I don't need gods word to be a good human being. keep the judgement coming since you seem to think thats your job. some would say it is sad that you need religion to have a reason on being and a doctrine on how to behave. to each his own and i don't judge people on their views. you are confined to what you know as your comfort zone and anything outside of that is just blasphemous? have fun disliking people because they see things differently than you. peace and love.

[331coupe]

So.....since I served in the Army Infantry, does that mean there is no God for me either? This sucks.

not what i said. guess this is a game of word jumble too

[Sean88gt]

quite enjoyable way to go actually. I don't need gods word to be a good human being. keep the judgement coming since you seem to think thats your job. some would say it is sad that you need religion to have a reason on being and a doctrine on how to behave. to each his own and i don't judge people on their views. you are confined to what you know as your comfort zone and anything outside of that is just blasphemous. have fun disliking people because they see things differently than you. peace and love.

Wrong. You judged Denny as a Christian and the way that you think he should live based on a book that you confessed doesn't apply to you.

We all have our ways of living and just because one is a Christian doesn't mean he isn't human and suffer the same desires and traps as other humans.

[331coupe]

sean, do you hold his dick while he pees too?? did not judge him at all stated a fact as to how he presented himself with his own remarks.

[Bobba Fett]

sean, do you hold his dick while he pees too?? did not judge him at all stated a fact as to how he presented himself with his own remarks.

Don't get butt hurt b/c you got called out. You did judge him, b/c you jumped into the conversation.

[331coupe]

pretty sure this was an open forum to discuss. (public) those who think they have it all figured out are lost.

[331coupe]

thought we were just talking here

[Sean88gt]

sean, do you hold his dick while he pees too?? did not judge him at all stated a fact as to how he presented himself with his own remarks.

There's a jump for you! Were you one of the don't ask, don't tell Marines that couldn't hold it in any longer and had to express your desire to jump in your CO's foxhole for deep cover?

[Fox466]

There's a jump for you! Were you one of the don't ask, don't tell Marines that couldn't hold it in any longer and had to express your desire to jump in your CO's foxhole for deep cover?


By "hold it in", are you referring to the load of nut juice that his fellow 'don't ask don't tell' fudgepacker deposited in his cum dumpster of an ass?

[Sean88gt]

By "hold it in", are you referring to the load of nut juice that his fellow 'don't ask don't tell' fudgepacker deposited in his cum dumpster of an ass?

Pretty much. I know the Japanese play game shows like this with water. It would only stand to reason that undereducated flaming liberals do it with baby gravy.