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Dacotua
04-22-2009, 09:24 AM
GOA's CIFTA Treaty Analysis
Obama Proposes Signing Treaty To Ban Reloading
-- Even BB guns could be on the chopping block

When President Obama went to Mexico in April, he proposed that the United States sign the Inter-American Convention Against Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives, and Other Related Materials.

Despite the fact that it purportedly deals with “illicit manufacturing and trafficking,” GOA is convinced that this convention defines these terms much more broadly and potentially presents serious dangers to Americans lawfully exercising their Second Amendment rights.

PURPOSES AND DEFINITIONS

Although the word “illicit” is used extensively in order to make the convention sound less anti-gun than it actually is, we need to look very carefully at the purposes and definitions to see whether it is, in fact, limited in scope to persons illegally moving guns across borders in order to arm violent criminal cartels:

The seventh precatory clause “STRESS[ES] the need, in peace processes and post-conflict situations, to achieve effective control of firearms, ammunition, explosives, and other related materials in order to prevent their entry into the illicit market;” -- thereby endorsing comprehensive gun and ammunition control, in violation of McClure-Volkmer (which deregulated ammunition) and of the Second Amendment to the Constitution.

Furthermore, the tenth precatory clause supports a “know-your-customer policy for dealers [in firearms]” -- something which would rapidly lead to an abolition of firearms in a country as large and transient as the United States.

And the twelfth precatory clause acknowledges the rights of parties to enact their own gun laws, but only with respect to aspects of a “wholly domestic character.”

We have seen, as recently as the April 15 New York Times, how battles with the Mexican drug cartels have been fanned into an issue which is being used to justify the passage of every major gun control initiative in modern American history.

We see how these “slippery slope” findings are actually implemented when we look at the definitions:

“Illicit manufacturing” of firearms is defined as “assembly of firearms [or] ammunition... without a license...”

Hence, reloading ammunition -- or putting together a lawful firearm from a kit -- is clearly “illicit manufacturing.” Modifying a firearm in any way would surely be “illicit manufacturing.” And, while it would be a stretch, assembling a firearm after cleaning it could, in any plain reading of the words, come within the screwy definition of “illicit manufacturing.”

“Firearm” has a similarly questionable definition. Borrowing from the open-ended definitions in federal law which have continue to vex us (and people like Olofson in Wisconsin), any barreled weapon “which... may be readily converted to expel a bullet” would be a firearm. Even worse, “any other weapon” (a term which is not defined) is a “firearm.” This surely includes BB guns -- and who knows what else.

“Cartridge cases” and “projectiles” are defined as “ammunition.”

SUBSTANTIVE PROVISIONS

In Article IV, parties commit to adopting “necessary legislative or other measures” to criminalize illicit manufacturing and trafficking in firearms. Remember that “illicit manufacturing” includes reloading and modifying or assembling any firearm in any way. And, while treaties should not trump the Bill of Rights (in contrast to what the Supreme Court held in Missouri v. Holland), they do have the force of statute -- which would mean that the Obama administration could promulgate regulations on the basis of this treaty which would ban any modification or machining of any firearm in any manner whatsoever except by license of the government.

Article IV goes on to state that the criminalized acts should include “association or conspiracy” in connection with “said offenses” -- which is arguably a term broad enough to allow, by regulation, the criminalization of entire pro-gun organizations or gun clubs, based on the facilities which they provide their membership.

Article V requires each party to “adopt such measures as may be necessary to establish its jurisdiction over the offenses it has established in accordance with this Convention” under a variety of circumstances. We know that Mexico is blaming U.S. gun dealers for the fact that its streets are flowing with blood. And we know it is possible for it to define offenses “committed in its territory” in a very broad way. And we know that we have an extradition obligation under Article XIX of the convention. And we also know that other countries such as Spain have tried to use their treaty powers to put American officials on trial.

Article VI requires “appropriate markings” on firearms. And, it is not inconceivable that this provision could be used to require microstamping of firearms and/or ammunition -- a requirement which is clearly intended to impose specifications which are not technologically possible or which are possible only at a prohibitively expensive cost.

Article VII requires confiscation and forfeiture of illicit firearms.

Articles VIII, IX, and X would increase the role of government, in ways which cannot be foreseen, in supervising the import and export of firearms and ammunition.

Article XI requires the maintenance of any records, for a “reasonable time,” that the government determines to be necessary to trace firearms. This provision would almost certainly repeal portions of McClure-Volkmer and could arguably be used to require a national registry or database.

Article XIII authorizes the “exchange of information” with respect to FFL’s -- presumably providing information on Americans to the corrupt Mexican police which are the source of many, if not most, of the illicit firearms.

Finally, under Article XXIX, if Mexico demands the extradition of a lawful American gun dealer, the U.S. would be required to resolve the dispute through “other means of peaceful settlement.” Does anyone want to risk sweltering in a Mexican jail at the mercy of the Obama administration?

This fact sheet was prepared by Mike Hammond, GOA’s legislative counsel.

HOOCBB
04-22-2009, 09:55 AM
time to start throwing some lead at Washington...

JP135
04-22-2009, 10:01 AM
It just keeps getting better and better. We told anyone who could stand still without falling asleep what was going to happen if this SOB got elected, but did they listen? Hell no! The moronic reply was always... But he seems so nice and so dedicated! He speaks so well! He's a minority! He's young! He's gonna CHANGE things!

Well, here we are and the nightmare has only just begun.

Hass
04-22-2009, 10:32 AM
It just keeps getting better and better. We told anyone who could stand still without falling asleep what was going to happen if this SOB got elected, but did they listen? Hell no! The moronic reply was always... But he seems so nice and so dedicated! He speaks so well! He's a minority! He's young! He's gonna CHANGE things!

Well, here we are and the nightmare has only just begun.

The only answer I could get for why someone voted for Bama was "he's not a republican." Then I advised them that the Dems have had control of the House and Senate for the last 2 years of Bush's term. I asked the Bama lovers what have the Dems accomplished in the last 2 years of Bush's term that inspired them to keep voting Dem?

The concluding lack of response and blank looks by the Bama lovers were amazing.

01YZ2NV
04-22-2009, 11:02 AM
I hear there is a giant piece of coal heading to South Dakota to add Obama to mt. Rushmore.

caphero
04-22-2009, 04:55 PM
I don't suppose the NRA has heard of this yet? I wonder if that phrase in the Preamble of the Constitution has crossed any of their feeble f----ing minds. You know the one about the inalienable right to LIFE LIBERTY and PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS? I stress the LIFE part since that will be the hardest thing to keep once they take away our right to protect that life.

fast83
04-22-2009, 05:12 PM
this dude thinks hes fucking superman.you ain't stopping shit.better get a clue.

this is america not fucking kenya.

BlackSnake1996
04-22-2009, 08:38 PM
Try finding good brass and primers. They are already hard to get. Pretty much like the ammo situation. A buddy of mine got lucky and scored 4 bricks of primers.

fast83
04-22-2009, 09:20 PM
i need alot of large rifle primers right now.cant find any around centex area.

BlackSnake1996
04-22-2009, 09:30 PM
i need alot of large rifle primers right now.cant find any around centex area.

Do you have a specific primer you are lookin for? I might have a ghost of a chance to score a brick.

Cobra Commander
04-25-2009, 08:18 PM
Oh Oh... Now its going to be a mad panic for reloading equipment and another reason for them to be price gouged to the price of gold.