First gun purchase (possibly).

[Mr. B]

I want to buy a gun for home defense, but my wife doesn't want a firearm in the house. We have two young kids, and that's about the only reason she doesn't like the idea. We've had some break-in's in our area and I just think it's time.

I know nothing about firearms, but I've been reading a lot lately and it seems that a shotgun is probably the best thing for home defense. So... since I don't intend to use the weapon for anything else other than home defense, what type of shotgun/ammo should I be looking for? Also, would a nice used gun be okay? I don't want to break the bank for something I hope to never use, but I want it to work when I need it.

I know nothing about guns, and have only fired a shotgun about a dozen times when I was younger. I've never been hunting so I'm not totally comfortable around firearms either. I guess I also need to know about storing the weapon keep it away from my daughters at all times, while still being able to access it quickly when needed. Any thoughts or ideas would be appreciated.

Sorry, but I'm a firearm newb.

[Skidmark]

A basic 12G short barrel shotgun would be good for HD. Mossberg has a 18.5" barrel 12g for 289 at Academy.

A handgun would be easier to hide from the kiddos though IMO.

[bjtheman1]

Shotgun would be your best bet for home defense. Hell Acamdemy has a Mossberg 12 Gauge for under $200 that would be sufficent enough. And nothing wrong with a used gun as long as you know it's been taken care of and works fine

[Web Guy]

My only issue with a Shot Gun is I guess you have to buy a big safe to keep it from the kids? I had the same issue with my wife because of our son. I ended up getting a pistol and a nice safe that is mounted near the bed. Kids are safe and it is one of the quick access safes so I can get in it in less than a second. :)

[03trubluGT]

A basic 12G short barrel shotgun would be good for HD. Mossberg has a 18.5" barrel 12g for 289 at Academy.

A handgun would be easier to hide from the kiddos though IMO.

What he said, but I have to add that it would be harder for a small child to operate a shotgun than a handgun.

Also the incidents of a child shooting themself with a shotgun are almost nil.

[GhostTX]

Shotgun, with 00 or 000, in my opinion.

Safe for gun with ammo. Put it out of reach for gun and ammo seperately. And, as always, tell your kids NO!.

[lilvega]

I am all for guns for home defense and I have a 3 year old daughter. But I highly suggest you take some kind of class before bringing the gun home or leaving it loaded. The last thing you want(besides your kids getting hurt) is for your own gun to be used on you by a burglar, so you need to know how to use it and be prepared to. It may not be instinct to take the safety off or chamber a round if you are not accustomed to firearms. If a burglar hears a "click" and no bang, you are in trouble. Just imagine scrambling for your weapon at 2 am in the dark.

A shotgun is best especially because of the noise they make when you jack a round into the chamber. CLACK-CLACK. That WILL make anyone poo their pants.

[PooterWS6]

I know I preach about them alot, but an XD might be a good gun for you, have to have the grip safety depressed to fire the weapon, and they also have a new model with a thumb safety as well.
Only problem is having a gun locked up isnt quick access if you need it quickly.

How old are the kiddos? Might invest in one of those handgun safes with either the finger touch or just simple code combo locks, so you can get into it quicker if needed(than having it in a safe/drawer with a trigger lock or something)
Also, id say 7-8 years old, depending on maturity, start teaching them some gun safety, and also if they are in someone elses home and one of their friends takes out one of their parents guns and tried to play with it...

[PooterWS6]

A shotgun is best especially because of the noise they make when you jack a round into the chamber. CLACK-CLACK. That WILL make anyone poo their pants.

Honestly, that just gives away your position, id want to be as silent as possible approaching someone or defending my self in my own home. You dont want to give them the heads up to have a jump on you and your actions....

[Mr. B]

Shotgun, with 00 or 000, in my opinion.
I don't even know what "00" or "000" is.

I highly suggest you take some kind of class before bringing the gun home or leaving it loaded.
I plan on doing that. I'm smart enough to know I'm not ready to handle a firearm yet.

How old are the kiddos? Also, id say 7-8 years old, depending on maturity, start teaching them some gun safety, and also if they are in someone elses home and one of their friends takes out one of their parents guns and tried to play with it...
They are 3 and 5. I've never thought about that, but it's a good idea whether I own a gun or not.

[flashstang04]

Integrate your kids in the gun decision..

Making the gun a 'mystery' and taboo only increases their curiosity and most accidents come from that.

[GhostTX]

I know I preach about them alot, but an XD might be a good gun for you, have to have the grip safety depressed to fire the weapon, and they also have a new model with a thumb safety as well.
Only problem is having a gun locked up isnt quick access if you need it quickly.

How old are the kiddos? Might invest in one of those handgun safes with either the finger touch or just simple code combo locks, so you can get into it quicker if needed(than having it in a safe/drawer with a trigger lock or something)
Also, id say 7-8 years old, depending on maturity, start teaching them some gun safety, and also if they are in someone elses home and one of their friends takes out one of their parents guns and tried to play with it...
x2 on the XD. Those features (trigger safety and grip safety) were some reason why I got it. And if you get the handgun safe, go with the blind, finger touch openers.

But, purely home defense, not intending to carry. Shotguns are great...and less aiming required for one not familiar with firearms.

Honestly, that just gives away your position, id want to be as silent as possible approaching someone or defending my self in my own home. You dont want to give them the heads up to have a jump on you and your actions....
Unless you have night site, you'd need a tactical light or equivalent to aim.

[Web Guy]

I have taken my son with my to the range a few times so he realy understangs what can happen. I use the finger touch pad safe, works great, easy to access and keeps the kiddos out.

[mightyp]

Pump action shotgun, loaded magazine, chamber empty, or you can get a revolver in 357 mag, you can shoot 38 specials out of it untill you get comfortable shooting the mags. Revolvers are pretty simple for the gun newb to learn on.
no matter which you choose, educate your kids on firearms, let them see it, hold it, get rid of the mystery. Let them know that if they want to see it, all they have to do is ask. My kids grew up with guns in the house, much like I did and they won't touch any gun without asking, when they do I show it to them. You don't want to hide a gun then have a uneducated kiddo find it, and trust me,they will.

[PooterWS6]

But, purely home defense, not intending to carry. Shotguns are great...and less aiming required for one not familiar with firearms.


Unless you have night site, you'd need a tactical light or equivalent to aim.

Only problem with shottys in the house is potential of it going thru a couple of walls, which depending on where the kids are in the house, might not be something you want to risk.(Which of course is the same with a hand gun, but only one projectile with each shot vs many with 00 buck)


Surfire G2 right next to the pistolas;)
As well as a crookneck for backup lighting...

[GhostTX]

Only problem with shottys in the house is potential of it going thru a couple of walls, which depending on where the kids are in the house, might not be something you want to risk.(Which of course is the same with a hand gun, but only one projectile with each shot vs many with 00 buck)


Surfire G2 right next to the pistolas;)
As well as a crookneck for backup lighting...
I'm just saying...you know...revealing position. 'Course, with the light, the idea is to blind them, too.

And there is no countering the through wall argument. You have to know what's behind the target before you pull the trigger. Always.

[PooterWS6]

I'm just saying...you know...revealing position. 'Course, with the light, the idea is to blind them, too.

And there is no countering the through wall argument. You have to know what's behind the target before you pull the trigger. Always.

Oh yeah, im just brainstorming out loud, just trying to throw options/scenarios out there for him so he can make a good purchase decision...

[Mr. B]

I like the idea of a small touch pad safe next to the bed. Maybe a handgun would be better. I've got a lot of research to do.

[GhostTX]

I like the idea of a small touch pad safe next to the bed. Maybe a handgun would be better. I've got a lot of research to do.
See what feels good in the hand. Finger/thumb reach. In palm. Trigger. Then find a range and "lease" some guns to see how they shoot.

[03trubluGT]

Safe for gun with ammo. Put it out of reach for gun and ammo seperately. And, as always, tell your kids NO!.


That's like keeping a fire extinguisher empty until you need it.

[GhostTX]

That's like keeping a fire extinguisher empty until you need it.
I'm assuming he has a little time. Doesn't take much to ratchet in a few rounds. And I'm not saying keep the ammo on the other side of the house, either.

[5.0_CJ]

I'm assuming he has a little time. Doesn't take much to ratchet in a few rounds. And I'm not saying keep the ammo on the other side of the house, either.

I'm sorry but that's just stupid, and I'm a pretty safe guy. Tell you what... you wake up from a dead sleep, find your ammo, load it into your mag, insert your mag and rack the slide before I find your room with my loaded gun.

[VETTKLR]

...And there is no countering the through wall argument. You have to know what's behind the target before you pull the trigger. Always.

Check this shit out...
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Of course I'm not arguing the fact that you should always know what's behind a target, but I would like to point out the fact that these in a .357SIG round will not go through your target, your walls, your neighbor, etc.


I'm sorry but that's just stupid, and I'm a pretty safe guy. Tell you what... you wake up from a dead sleep, find your ammo, load it into your mag, insert your mag and rack the slide before I find your room with my loaded gun.
I showed my kids (14, 12 and 7)where Daddy keeps his guns, told them never to touch them or mess with any other gun for that matter, then showed them some youtube videos of hollow points blowing the shit out of watermelons to give them an idea of what they're capable of doing. It seemed to have got the point across nicely.

To the OP,

Because you have children, that's all the more reason to have a gun in the house. Don't ever think that they're a reason not to have a gun in your house. You've got steak knives in the kitchen drawer and scissors in the cabinet, don't you? How hard was it to teach the kiddos that those things are sharp and they'll get fucked up if they get careless with them? I also bet at least 95% of this site's parents had a self-defense weapon of some sort in their houses, where we all grew up. They taught us to respect that shit and we're still here to pass that knowledge down to our kids. Google up "Children's Gun Safety" and find a ton of shit to help you out there, then get your ass to a range and practice with a pistol and/or a shotgun. :cool:

[Pokulski-Blatz]

I'm assuming he has a little time. Doesn't take much to ratchet in a few rounds. And I'm not saying keep the ammo on the other side of the house, either.

Ya dont always have time, better to keep it in a little push button safe

[Pokulski-Blatz]

Check this shit out...
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Extreme Shock Air Freedom Round


That is such shit ammo ... you need a bullet to penetrate to the vitals, not dump its energy within 7 inches in ballistics gel. What if that round hits a bone? its not gonna stop the BG.

[GhostTX]

I'm sorry but that's just stupid, and I'm a pretty safe guy. Tell you what... you wake up from a dead sleep, find your ammo, load it into your mag, insert your mag and rack the slide before I find your room with my loaded gun.
I'm talking the shotgun, not handguns.

Ya dont always have time, better to keep it in a little push button safe
For a kid: the shot gun, with round chambered, one button and boom. Besides, I was trying to work from the gun safety angle with his wife. Take as many "complicated" steps from a kid before the gun is able to shoot.

Check this shit out...
Extreme Shock Air Freedom Round

Now that's cool. Didn't know about that one.

I'm not gonna argue the whole education of kids thing. Right now, my kids (6 and 2) have the explicit "do not touch", "these are not toys","ask daddy" lecture. I plan on getting a BB gun for the elder in a couple of years to teach gun use and safety.

[Pokulski-Blatz]

I'm talking the shotgun, not handguns.


For a kid: the shot gun, with round chambered, one button and boom. Besides, I was trying to work from the gun safety angle with his wife. Take as many "complicated" steps from a kid before the gun is able to shoot.



Problem solved

http://www.code3tactical.com/ProductthumbImages/lj/LJ-3.jpg

[GhostTX]

Problem solved

http://www.code3tactical.com/ProductthumbImages/lj/LJ-3.jpg
Works for me! Wonder what the mechanism is to detach it?

[VETTKLR]

That is such shit ammo ... you need a bullet to penetrate to the vitals, not dump its energy within 7 inches in ballistics gel. What if that round hits a bone? its not gonna stop the BG.

Here's an email they received in their testimonials...
Dear Extreme Shock,
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Chad

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[Pokulski-Blatz]

Here's an email they received in their testimonials...


http://www.extremeshockusa.com/cgistore/store.cgi?page=/new/testimony.html&setup=1&cart_id=5248718.2136

Must be true ... Besides the FBI dosent know shit about ammo, what was i thinking?

[03trubluGT]

Only problem with shottys in the house is potential of it going thru a couple of walls, which depending on where the kids are in the house, might not be something you want to risk.(Which of course is the same with a hand gun, but only one projectile with each shot vs many with 00 buck)


Surfire G2 right next to the pistolas;)
As well as a crookneck for backup lighting...

A shotgun with bird shot or 00 Buck isn't going to go through any more sheetrock than a handgun load. Besides, if you hit your target, you don't have to worry about that.

[03trubluGT]

For a kid: the shot gun, with round chambered, one button and boom. Besides, I was trying to work from the gun safety angle with his wife. Take as many "complicated" steps from a kid before the gun is able to shoot.

I'm not gonna argue the whole education of kids thing. Right now, my kids (6 and 2) have the explicit "do not touch", "these are not toys","ask daddy" lecture. I plan on getting a BB gun for the elder in a couple of years to teach gun use and safety.

Remember, the more complicated it is for a kid, the more complicated it will be for you in an emergency.


Just don't have a round chambered. I have a lot of guns, but they are in my safe except the one in my "murse" and one that I have hidden in my "retreat area". My boys are 10 and 13 and both are avid shooters. I started them off with BB guns, then paint ball guns, and now they both own stainless Marlin 60 .22 cal rifles (which are in the safe). My boys know about gun safety. They also know that if they are in someone else's house, and a kid has a gun, then they need to leave and call me. You have to teach kids safety and get them familiar with weapons so their curiosity won't lead to trouble.

[1fastdem]

Couple of thoughts...

OP - If your looking for information to research I would recomend http://www.corneredcat.com/ The website is written by a woman in the Northwest US. She has put a lot of thought into gun/home/kid issues and has compiled a lot of opinions. She has excellent ideas on teaching gun safety to children. If any parent is new to shooting, I think they should check out the site. She also discusses conceal carry issues as well. I would also recomend that site for your wife. (I recommended it to mine.) Also, it sounds basic to say this... but look at the NRA site. They have information on their safety program for children.

Hydroshock/Extremeshock - Work great if your are faced with a BG in a T-shirt coming straight at you. Not always so good against a BG with a leather jacket and his arms up defending or moving at an angle where the round wastes it initial energy on his arm/shoulder and not going deep enough to get to the vitals.

Racking a Shotgun - Will scare a lot of BGs but the one that it doesn't scare away is exactly the one you don't want to know where you are at.

FBI approved - Remember the FBI selects its weapons/ammo based on the ability to stop a 1986 Miami-type shootout. That doesn't always translate into the best choice for everyone.

IMO a shotgun is a good choice for home defense but you have to practice and plan. It is not easy to move through a house with a long gun.

EDIT - When practicing moving through your house with a weapon shut the blinds. You could really freak out the neighbors and end up meeting 03trubluGT

[VETTKLR]

Problem solved

http://www.code3tactical.com/ProductthumbImages/lj/LJ-3.jpg

Works for me! Wonder what the mechanism is to detach it?

A fucking key...in the middle of the night, disoriented from a deep sleep...
http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ou/outdoorbunker/roc10601.jpg
You have seconds to realize what's going on, jump up from bed, find a small key in your nightstand/hiding place/whatever, put the key in the lock, detach the lock and then rack a round.

PASS.



Must be true ... Besides the FBI dosent know shit about ammo, what was i thinking?
I dunno, Mall Ninja. What do you and well-trained FBI agents suggest to the gun newb??? Seems to me like the science involved with an object, traveling at around 1,000 feet per second, dumping all of it's energy into a target within 7 inches is going to knock the holy fuck out of said target.

But I'm no physics professor, nor an FBI agent. I was just offering an opinion to the OP.


Start a new thread and educate some fellow Texan Gun Owners about what's the right ammo for different types of circumstances, poser.
:You_Rock_Emoticon:

[Pokulski-Blatz]

I dunno, Mall Ninja. What do you and well-trained FBI agents suggest to the gun newb??? Seems to me like the science involved with an object, traveling at around 1,000 feet per second, dumping all of it's energy into a target within 7 inches is going to knock the holy fuck out of said target.

But I'm no physics professor, nor an FBI agent. I was just offering an opinion to the OP.


Start a new thread and educate some fellow Texan Gun Owners about what's the right ammo for different types of circumstances, poser.
:You_Rock_Emoticon:

LOL @ Mall Ninja, I base my opinions off of facts and not advertising.

Its just my opinion that glasers/air freedom round are gimmicks. Yes they go bang, yes they will put a hole in someone, but to be honest i dont want to put my safety in something that hasnt been extensively tested or used in a actual shooting. This is why i just choose to carry a standard LE round, 127 grain Winchester Ranger SXT +p+. If you choose to carry a "designer" round than thats your buisness. I also feel that it is important that you are sure that your carry ammo functions well in your defense weapon. I tested my USPc 9mm with 200 rounds of the SXT without a malfunction before i considered it reliable.


Now ill quote some other people about this type of ammo cause i dont feel like doing a write up.

Frangible rounds suck for self defense, no matter if they're made by extreme shock (insert ninja here), rbcd, or glaser. Anything that has the oomp to penetrate deep enough into a bad guy to get to his important bits is going to go through way more dry wall than you'd ever want. There's no reason to worry about overpenetration through a person because your misses are the serious problem.

Read this http://www.firearmstactical.com/hwfe.htm

One of the things you'll find out as you research this is that 4-5" in gelatin doesn't mean you'll be where you want to go in a bad guy's chest. Many other factors came into play with the 12+" of gelatin penetration minimum including shooting someone with their body angled to you, shooting through arms (your attacker probably won't have his hands at his side), and the often non straight path bullets seem to take through the body. To illustrate this, consider the following.

There was a study in the 1991 Wound Ballistics Review Jounal by Eugene Wolberg where he checked out the real world performance of the 147 gr winchester load in those shot by the san diego pd. For this study they recorded the penetration depth of the rounds in the bodies. They checked 28 bullets. The average length of the wound was 13.2" Two rounds had penetrated to 13.5-14.5" and were stopped just under the skin. Wolberg speculated that they could have penetrated more deeply but that the skin has a "holding in" effect. The most shallow wound was 10", and the deepest was 17" Neither of those two were about to exit the body. Are you sure 5" is ideal?


I am always wary of anything that receives so much hype from the manufacturer but is almost never seen in actual use. Also, one of the problems with frangible projectiles in the lack of deep penetration, they shed all of their energy and velocity so quickly that they don't reach anything vital. As an example, I had to shoot a vicious dog once (a big mongrel, maybe 80-90lbs) and used another guys .38spl loaded with Glaser's because (I assumed) taking it from him was faster than drawing the .44mag I was carrying. I shot it in the chest and fully expected it to drop immediately given all the talk about Glasers, instead it literally roared at us and attacked. I dropped his .38 while back pedaling and drew my .44mag (I was alot faster than I thought I could be!) and fired three rounds dropping the dog almost at my feet. I have never purchased, carried, or shot another "miracle" bullet since.

The Sheriff's Office I work for (and most other agencies here in Maine) issues Gold Dots, so I load Gold Dots in all of my carry handguns, even though I buy my own ammo (I carry a non-issue caliber). And that is what I recommend to anyone looking for defensive ammo - buy what your local police dept carries. It will be an effective, top quality load designed to perform on people under most circumstances. It will be thoroughly tested and proven and more easily defended in court than the latest and greatest "explosively expanding manstopper".


I think that particular manufacturer is kind of catering to the proverbial Mall Ninja:

http://lonelymachines.org/mall-ninjas/

It looks like a bit of a "magic bullet" gimmick. Even considering that 4 inch penetration (in ballistic gelatin, not including things like bone, etc) what happens if you strike the assailants arm first?

Also, if the main advantage is that the bullet won't overpenetrate an attacker and then kill an innocent behind them, I would venture to say that that isn't the biggest thing to worry about. If you look at the percentage in police shootings of hits vs misses, a MUCH bigger danger than a bullet passing through an attacker and killing a bystander is the danger of missing your target. We all might be inclined to blame the low hit ratio among police on poor training or something similar, but we have to understand that these situations are nothing at all like the range, where the target is facing you in a clear field and you can take your time. Miss your target with a magic bullet, and it will still perform its "magic" on whatever it strikes, innocent or not. The only way it might be better in that situation is that since it only gets a few inches of penetration, maybe the innocent bystander will be more likely to survive the wound! Shocked

There are a lot of reasons I would never buy this ammo but the main one is how silly their marketing is. "New X-Treme Anti-Jihad Terrorist-Killing Nuke-Tipped Bullets will put your Local Neighborhood Insurgency in the DIRT with X-Treme X-Plosive Action!" Like its a GI Joe action figure commercial or something!


Then take a look at The Box o Truth in regards to the drywall penatration

http://theboxotruth.com/docs/bot23.htm

[Pokulski-Blatz]

A fucking key...in the middle of the night, disoriented from a deep sleep...
http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ou/outdoorbunker/roc10601.jpg
You have seconds to realize what's going on, jump up from bed, find a small key in your nightstand/hiding place/whatever, put the key in the lock, detach the lock and then rack a round.

PASS.

Put the damn key around your neck, I was only posting a solution that might calm his wife a bit. His best option is prolly just gonna be a decent handgun in a Gun Vault due to his wife being gun shy.


http://i10.tinypic.com/29oigqu.jpg

[VETTKLR]

"New X-Treme Anti-Jihad Terrorist-Killing Nuke-Tipped Bullets will put your Local Neighborhood Insurgency in the DIRT with X-Treme X-Plosive Action!"
:biglaugh:LMMFAO!!! That's awesome, MUST BUY IT NOWWWW!!! :biglaugh:

That Box O Truth link is badass...I'm gonna add that site to the favorites :cool:

[Pokulski-Blatz]

:biglaugh:LMMFAO!!! That's awesome, MUST BUY IT NOWWWW!!! :biglaugh:

That Box O Truth link is badass...I'm gonna add that site to the favorites :cool:

I like the box o truth but some of his tests are a bit flawed ... Ya just have to do a bit more research on what you are looking at to get teh whole picture

[Pokulski-Blatz]

Here's an email they received in their testimonials...


http://www.extremeshockusa.com/cgistore/store.cgi?page=/new/testimony.html&setup=1&cart_id=5248718.2136

LMMFGDAO @ some of these "testimonials" ... Damn Mall Ninjas are everywhere.

Dear Extreme Shock,
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Bruce CEO Detective

I'm an ammo inspector for the US Army over in Kuwait and we're coming across some of your ammo in our Amnesty boxes which is being purchased and used by soldiers in Iraq. This is very interesting that the soldiers would think enough of you Extreme Shock ammo to want to use their own money to purchase and bring it over here for combat. I'de like to get some additional information about these rounds and especially some good pictures. Thanks.
Jon

[03trubluGT]

My grandmother had a shotgun propped up by the coat rack since before I was born. I was told that if I ever touched it, she would make me pick out the switch that she would use on me.

My parents gave me my first gun (Savage single shot 20 guage) when I was about 10. We lived out in the country and I would spend my weekends with that shotgun and my fishing pole.

I went into the Marines at 18 and was tought to be proficient with several weapons.

I bought my first AR (Bushmaster) after I got out in 1991. I've since owned about 25 guns of varying calibers.

To think that there are people out there that have never owned a gun just boggles my mind.

A gun is just a tool. Guns are not evil. I don't understand the stigma people put on a tool just because of the evil that man does with them.

[GT98SVO]

My grandmother had a shotgun propped up by the coat rack since before I was born. I was told that if I ever touched it, she would make me pick out the switch that she would use on me.

My parents gave me my first gun (Savage single shot 20 guage) when I was about 10. We lived out in the country and I would spend my weekends with that shotgun and my fishing pole.

I went into the Marines at 18 and was tought to be proficient with several weapons.

I bought my first AR (Bushmaster) after I got out in 1991. I've since owned about 25 guns of varying calibers.

To think that there are people out there that have never owned a gun just boggles my mind.

A gun is just a tool. Guns are not evil. I don't understand the stigma people put on a tool just because of the evil that man does with them.

It's about power and control.

[Pokulski-Blatz]

My grandmother had a shotgun propped up by the coat rack since before I was born. I was told that if I ever touched it, she would make me pick out the switch that she would use on me.

My parents gave me my first gun (Savage single shot 20 guage) when I was about 10. We lived out in the country and I would spend my weekends with that shotgun and my fishing pole.

I went into the Marines at 18 and was tought to be proficient with several weapons.

I bought my first AR (Bushmaster) after I got out in 1991. I've since owned about 25 guns of varying calibers.

To think that there are people out there that have never owned a gun just boggles my mind.

A gun is just a tool. Guns are not evil. I don't understand the stigma people put on a tool just because of the evil that man does with them.

Only 25?!?!?! in about two and a half years i have owned about 18 firearms lol ... I like to change it up a bit


It all has to do with fear my friend. The media and Hollywood has portrayed the gun as a evil thing and that is what the masses believe. My wife was a anit-gunner when i met her, we were dating for about 6 months when i bought my first handgun (my mom was also a anti) and it scared the shit out of her till I explained that me owning a gun didnt mean i was going to to rambo on the world (although sometimes that idea is attractive). My mother just got used to the idea of me owning guns, I pull my gun off everytime i go over there and set it on one of the dinner tables ... that didnt sit well at first. Now mom just picks it up if need be and moves it, guns dont bother her at all now. I guess its easy to put a evil label on guns if all you know is what you see on TV.

[03trubluGT]

It's about power and control.

Only 25?!?!?! in about two and a half years i have owned about 18 firearms lol ... I like to change it up a bit


It all has to do with fear my friend. The media and Hollywood has portrayed the gun as a evil thing and that is what the masses believe. My wife was a anit-gunner when i met her, we were dating for about 6 months when i bought my first handgun (my mom was also a anti) and it scared the shit out of her till I explained that me owning a gun didnt mean i was going to to rambo on the world (although sometimes that idea is attractive). My mother just got used to the idea of me owning guns, I pull my gun off everytime i go over there and set it on one of the dinner tables ... that didnt sit well at first. Now mom just picks it up if need be and moves it, guns dont bother her at all now. I guess its easy to put a evil label on guns if all you know is what you see on TV.

What amazes me is that Hollyweird is soooo anti-gun, yet every action movie has all kinds of guns and shooting scenes.

[Pokulski-Blatz]

What amazes me is that Hollyweird is soooo anti-gun, yet every action movie has all kinds of guns and shooting scenes.

It puts asses in the seats ... I can tell you i would walk out of a action movie if the shooting scenes were slap fights or liberal debates. Hollyweird has no morals man, its all about the cash and lavish lifesytle.

[03trubluGT]

It puts asses in the seats ... I can tell you i would walk out of a action movie if the shooting scenes were slap fights or liberal debates. Hollyweird has no morals man, its all about the cash and lavish lifesytle.

Just goes to show how hypocritical they are.

[Pokulski-Blatz]

Just goes to show how hypocritical they are.

Yep, I cant stand it. Unfortunately its unavoidable. :banghead: