Obama to ban assault weapons, "cop killer bullits"

[flashstang04]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6960824&page=1

Feb 25th,

The Obama administration will seek to reinstate the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004 during the Bush administration, Attorney General Eric Holder said today.


Wednesday Attorney General Eric Holder said that the Obama administration will seek to reinstitute the assault weapons ban which expired in 2004 during the Bush administration.


"As President Obama indicated during the campaign, there are just a few gun-related changes that we would like to make, and among them would be to reinstitute the ban on the sale of assault weapons," Holder told reporters.

Holder said that putting the ban back in place would not only be a positive move by the United States, it would help cut down on the flow of guns going across the border into Mexico, which is struggling with heavy violence among drug cartels along the border.

"I think that will have a positive impact in Mexico, at a minimum." Holder said at a news conference on the arrest of more than 700 people in a drug enforcement crackdown on Mexican drug cartels operating in the U.S.


Mexican government officials have complained that the availability of sophisticated guns from the United States have emboldened drug traffickers to fight over access routes into the U.S.

A State Department travel warning issued Feb. 20, 2009, reflected government concerns about the violence.

"Some recent Mexican army and police confrontations with drug cartels have resembled small-unit combat, with cartels employing automatic weapons and grenades," the warning said. "Large firefights have taken place in many towns and cities across Mexico, but most recently in northern Mexico, including Tijuana, Chihuahua City and Ciudad Juarez."

At the news conference today, Holder described his discussions with his Mexican counterpart about the recent spike in violence.

"I met yesterday with Attorney General Medina Mora of Mexico, and we discussed the unprecedented levels of violence his country is facing because of their enforcement efforts," he said.

Holder declined to offer any time frame for the reimplementation of the assault weapons ban, however.

"It's something, as I said, that the president talked about during the campaign," he said. "There are obviously a number of things that are -- that have been taking up a substantial amount of his time, and so, I'm not sure exactly what the sequencing will be."



Cont. at link

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

"As President Obama indicated during the campaign, there are just a few gun-related changes that we would like to make...I LOL @ "just a few""Some recent Mexican army and police confrontations with drug cartels have resembled small-unit combat, with cartels employing automatic weapons and grenades," the warning said.So what the fuck does that have to do with us? Automatic weapons and grenades are already highly regulated over here. Fucking cocksuckers.

[JP135]

There hasn't been any doubt this would happen. The question that remains to be answered is how far it will go. Reinstating the "assault rifle" ban will be first base.

[thesource]

Obama being elected was the best thing to happen to guns sales in a long time . Obama is definately stimulating the gun industry for now ........

[flashstang04]

I LOL @ "just a few"So what the fuck does that have to do with us? Automatic weapons and grenades are already highly regulated over here. Fucking cocksuckers.

Well, I picked up like 13 grenades today at Academy.. where you been?:grumpy:

[Trip McNeely]

Great. There goes the ammo sales. :mad:
This guy is seriously the Anti-Christ.

[Sean88gt]

Fuck all of them. I really believe it'll bring a lot of people out of the woodwork.

Maybe a million man march is in order? Look the cocksuckers in the Capitol building, cut off power and contact with the outside world. Let them know that we don't mind taking this bitch back. But do it peacefully:)

[Strychnine]

Fuck all of them. I really believe it'll bring a lot of people out of the woodwork.

Maybe a million man march is in order? Look the cocksuckers in the Capitol building, cut off power and contact with the outside world. Let them know that we don't mind taking this bitch back. But do it peacefully:)

http://secondamendmentmarch.com/

[DOHCTR]

god damnit

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

http://secondamendmentmarch.com/If you're going, I've got shotgun (literally?)!

[fast83]

fuck mexico! and fuck obama! come take my shit.lets get it on already!!

im tired of being handed a shit plate from the gov.they try this shit and we'll have us a fight!

[Sean88gt]

http://secondamendmentmarch.com/

Signed up:D:rocketwhore:

[GT Dan]

:censored:

[Slowhand]

Where are the "It's just paranoia" folks now?

[fast83]

so if they sign it into law what do they want us to do,turn all of our "banned" guns in?

"IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN"

i fucking dare them to sign this shit into law.i will be an outlaw forsure.

[Slowhand]

so if they sign it into law what do they want us to do,turn all of our "banned" guns in?

"IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN"

i fucking dare them to sign this shit into law.i will be an outlaw forsure.

It's not about owning them, it's about the sale/purchase of the guns.

[fast83]

private sales included?

[Yale]

Seriously, none of these incoherent ramblings begin to constitute logical thought. WTF? Aren't these folks supposed to be the "intelligencia" of the Democratic Party?

[BottleRocket]

private sales included?

of course. the weapon is registered to the owner. im sure as fuck not gonna sell my AR to someone and hope they dont go shoot someone with it and it still be registered to me. you cant transfer ownership.

[FATHERFORD]

god damnit

x2...


So will the ban just be on lowers? Can I go out and buy 2-3 lowers and just hold on to them and piece them together later on?

[HOOCBB]

Where are the "It's just paranoia" folks now?

I want to hear their take on it now...kinda hard to argue with news reports and the guy's history on gun control measures...

<---is still waiting on the rifle kit that was ordered in November...

[PooterWS6]

I want to hear their take on it now...kinda hard to argue with news reports and the guy's history on gun control measures...

<---is still waiting on the rifle kit that was ordered in November...

Im still waiting for my lower too....




Fuck.:(

I still had several rifles I wanted to buy....

[Fox466]

It's not about owning them, it's about the sale/purchase of the guns.


Bullshit!


It's about instituting the required steps to take them all. They know that they can't just step in and take them, so let's take one little step at a time until...

[grove rat]

i have never been a big ar fan..but i did get me an ak a couple weeks ago :cool:

[Falcongunner]

Seriously, none of these incoherent ramblings begin to constitute logical thought. WTF? Aren't these folks supposed to be the "intelligencia" of the Democratic Party?

Herein lays the problem. The intelligencia always knows what best for you. I have been around a lot of these people and for the most part they are seduced by their on intelligence. It's not that they are not intelligent; it's that the intelligence acts like a drug and clouds their logic. Also, a feeling of superiority because they are actually intelligent and they and everyone knows it.

If one ever gets the chance to debate them on friendly turf they will usually succumb to logic in the gun control debate but have a hard time overcoming their ideology. It bothers their sense of intelligence to even consider that they may be wrong. If they are wrong about gun control, what else might they be wrong about? That bothers their very sense of self, and then they usually reject the notion of gun ownership, self defense, and the concept of freedom and self responsibility. These are the people drive the Obama administration and about half of those that voted for the Democrats. The other half are idiots that don’t have a clue of what is going on or has gone on in this country.

Wayne in FW

[Fox466]

Well said sir. That looks to be a very astute assessment of the idiots both running our country and surrounding us at this moment.

[AL P]

Like anyone gives a shit about Mexico and their problems.

[Hass]

Where are the "It's just paranoia" folks now?

I don't know if David has read this thread yet.

:)

[GhostTX]

Seriously, none of these incoherent ramblings begin to constitute logical thought. WTF? Aren't these folks supposed to be the "intelligencia" of the Democratic Party?
I've know more morons with PhD's than I care to think about. Get them outside the classroom and they're about useless.

Herein lays the problem. The intelligencia always knows what best for you. I have been around a lot of these people and for the most part they are seduced by their on intelligence. It's not that they are not intelligent; it's that the intelligence acts like a drug and clouds their logic. Also, a feeling of superiority because they are actually intelligent and they and everyone knows it.

If one ever gets the chance to debate them on friendly turf they will usually succumb to logic in the gun control debate but have a hard time overcoming their ideology. It bothers their sense of intelligence to even consider that they may be wrong. If they are wrong about gun control, what else might they be wrong about? That bothers their very sense of self, and then they usually reject the notion of gun ownership, self defense, and the concept of freedom and self responsibility. These are the people drive the Obama administration and about half of those that voted for the Democrats. The other half are idiots that don’t have a clue of what is going on or has gone on in this country.

Wayne in FW
Very well said!

[Slowhand]

Bullshit!


It's about instituting the required steps to take them all. They know that they can't just step in and take them, so let's take one little step at a time until...

Totally true and fair enough. I was simply pointing out the way the ban would be set up, but you're completely right.

[Slowhand]

I've know more morons with PhD's than I care to think about. Get them outside the classroom and they're about useless.


There's a reason they never left college...

[BpuTacoma]

<---is still waiting on the rifle kit that was ordered in November...

<---- is also waiting on stuff ordered in November

[ace2985]

The real problem is the ban on the magazines. If you own one you are grandfathered in but any magazine over 13 rounds will no longer be available. I am about to buy 7 more 30 rounders for my CZ 58.

[Slowhand]

I don't know if David has read this thread yet.

:)

I can't really see this changing anything for him. He's already got his collection, what he goes after is already a pain in the ass to get ahold of, and he's above these lowly assault rifles.

[Yale]

If I didn't know any better, I'd say that Barack Obama doesn't care about white people.

[jluv]

Do you guys predict that there will be any new restrictions that will apply to handguns or shotguns?

[ace2985]

It is possible. The real issue like stated above is how far will he go. First he starts with assault weapons, a possible tax on ammo, and further restrictions who knows.

[DOHCTR]

Do you guys predict that there will be any new restrictions that will apply to handguns or shotguns?

magazines with a capacity no more than ten rounds, no threaded barrel, no magazine that attaches outside of the pistol grip, etc etc



look at the old bans and proposed bans, im sure a future one would be no different

[ace2985]

I am trying to buy everything I want or need before he starts banning. I am going to buy 3 15 round glock mags and prbably 8 more 30 round mags for my cz tomorrow. Get the high cap mags and the weapons that take them while you can.

[vtstang66]

I don't even own an assault rifle (yet), but I just ordered a couple of mags

[cobra93teal]

well i guess i should hold on to the PMags i have for a litte while :) could be worth some money!

[flashstang04]

magazines with a capacity no more than ten rounds, no threaded barrel, no magazine that attaches outside of the pistol grip, etc etc



look at the old bans and proposed bans, im sure a future one would be no different


All that AND the 'mythical' 500% tax increase on ammo.

Regardless, I don't think that there can be any doubt that the man (administration) wants to disarm the public.


Every criminals dream.:rocketwhore:

[Dacotua]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6960824&page=1

Feb 25th,

The Obama administration will seek to reinstate the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004 during the Bush administration, Attorney General Eric Holder said today.


Wednesday Attorney General Eric Holder said that the Obama administration will seek to reinstitute the assault weapons ban which expired in 2004 during the Bush administration.


"As President Obama indicated during the campaign, there are just a few gun-related changes that we would like to make, and among them would be to reinstitute the ban on the sale of assault weapons," Holder told reporters.

Holder said that putting the ban back in place would not only be a positive move by the United States, it would help cut down on the flow of guns going across the border into Mexico, which is struggling with heavy violence among drug cartels along the border.

"I think that will have a positive impact in Mexico, at a minimum." Holder said at a news conference on the arrest of more than 700 people in a drug enforcement crackdown on Mexican drug cartels operating in the U.S.


Mexican government officials have complained that the availability of sophisticated guns from the United States have emboldened drug traffickers to fight over access routes into the U.S.

A State Department travel warning issued Feb. 20, 2009, reflected government concerns about the violence.

"Some recent Mexican army and police confrontations with drug cartels have resembled small-unit combat, with cartels employing automatic weapons and grenades," the warning said. "Large firefights have taken place in many towns and cities across Mexico, but most recently in northern Mexico, including Tijuana, Chihuahua City and Ciudad Juarez."

At the news conference today, Holder described his discussions with his Mexican counterpart about the recent spike in violence.

"I met yesterday with Attorney General Medina Mora of Mexico, and we discussed the unprecedented levels of violence his country is facing because of their enforcement efforts," he said.

Holder declined to offer any time frame for the reimplementation of the assault weapons ban, however.

"It's something, as I said, that the president talked about during the campaign," he said. "There are obviously a number of things that are -- that have been taking up a substantial amount of his time, and so, I'm not sure exactly what the sequencing will be."



Cont. at link

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/pelosi-tosses-cold-water-on-reviving-assault-weapon-ban-2009-02-26.html

Pelosi throws cold water on weapons ban
By Mike Soraghan
Posted: 02/26/09 11:59 AM [ET]
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi tossed cold water on the prospect of reinstating the assault weapons ban, highlighting Democrats’ reluctance to take on gun issues.

Attorney General Eric Holder raised the prospect Wednesday that the administration would push to bring back the ban. But Pelosi (D-Calif.) indicated on Thursday that he never talked to her. The Speaker gave a flat “no” when asked if she had talked to administration officials about the ban.


“On that score, I think we need to enforce the laws we have right now,” Pelosi said at her weekly news conference. “I think it's clear the Bush administration didn’t do that.”

Outside of the dig at the recent Republican president, that phrase is the stock line of those who don’t want to pass new gun control laws, such as the National Rifle Association.

The White House declined to comment on Holder's remarks, referring reporters to the Department of Justice. The DoJ did not respond to The Hill's request for comment.

[exlude]

I must say, I truly am shocked.

[Sean88gt]

Pelosi showed objective intelligence? Where is the onion link?!?!?!?

[flashstang04]

Pelosi showed objective intelligence? Where is the onion link?!?!?!?

Haha! For real...

[Scott H]

There's a reason they never left college...

I had a friend that was working on the hill in D.C. years ago, and one day he took me to an outdoor concert with a lot of his lawyer and politician cronies. About 1/2 way through it, his Harvard-trained lawyer buddy asked me where the bathrooms were. I gestured to the port-o-johns that where about an 1/8 mile away with about a 10-deep line. He said, "ahh f**k it" and proceeded to just piss his pants. That told me a lot!

[Shaithis]

If you're going, I've got shotgun (literally?)!

I'm in. Was thinking of taking the rv for cheap place to stay.

[Shaithis]

Pelosi showed objective intelligence? Where is the onion link?!?!?!?

She's just trying to pull the wool over everyones eyes till it has been snuck in another bill and being voted on. She's a shrewd individual and will do any and everything to get her way. Just look at her track record. For instance, she is on tape with several major cable news channels swearing that there would be no pork in the stimulus bill, yet we had pork. And some of it was hers! Lie cheat and steal is her methodology.

[GT Dan]

Do you guys predict that there will be any new restrictions that will apply to handguns or shotguns?

HB 45 which may or may not be used for the AWB requires anyone who wants a firearm to apply for and obtain a federal firearm license.

The biggest catch is you better not let it expire because then you're in a world of shit.

They know you have them and track what you do with them. So theoretically, the day it expires, they can send a federal goon squad to your house to confiscate your weapons, charge you with multiple felonies, throw your ass in prison, take away your right to ever own another firearm of any kind and of course since you are now a felon, you wont ever be able to vote again...

Sounds like the perfect democratic plan to eliminate a couple million republican votes...

The democratic party is a cancer to democracy...

[PooterWS6]

Pelosi showed objective intelligence? Where is the onion link?!?!?!?

Did the world just get sucked thru a blackhole and we're in some sort of parrallel universe?:yikes:

It has to be a fucking game they're playing with us!

[Sean88gt]

HB 45 which may or may not be used for the AWB requires anyone who wants a firearm to apply for and obtain a federal firearm license.

The biggest catch is you better not let it expire because then you're in a world of shit.

They know you have them and track what you do with them. So theoretically, the day it expires, they can send a federal goon squad to your house to confiscate your weapons, charge you with multiple felonies, throw your ass in prison, take away your right to ever own another firearm of any kind and of course since you are now a felon, you wont ever be able to vote again...

Sounds like the perfect democratic plan to eliminate a couple million republican votes...

The democratic party is a cancer to democracy...

I think that would get struck down in court or would at least create the old adage of when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

“On that score, I think we need to enforce the laws we have right now,” Pelosi said at her weekly news conference. “I think it's clear the Bush administration didn’t do that.”

Outside of the dig at the recent Republican president, that phrase is the stock line of those who don’t want to pass new gun control laws, such as the National Rifle Association.Has to be a setup.

[Juiceweezl]

I'm all for guns and the right to own them, but seriously folks -- why in the world does anyone need an automatic assault rifle for personal use? Law enforcement needs to hold something over potential criminals. Nowadays, the criminals are better armed than the good guys.

[That_Is_My_El_Camino]

I'm all for guns and the right to own them, but seriously folks -- why in the world does anyone need an automatic assault rifle for personal use? Law enforcement needs to hold something over potential criminals. Nowadays, the criminals are better armed than the good guys.Once more, for those that haven't been reading:

THE ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN DOES NOT BAN AUTOMATIC WEAPONS. IT BANS WEAPONS THAT LOOK SIMILAR TO BUT ARE MECHANICALLY VERY, VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE AUTOMATIC WEAPONS BEING USED BY THE DRUG CARTELS IN MEXICO.

[Hass]

I'm all for guns and the right to own them, but seriously folks -- why in the world does anyone need an automatic assault rifle for personal use? Law enforcement needs to hold something over potential criminals. Nowadays, the criminals are better armed than the good guys.

And this misconception, ladies and gentleman, is why the goddamn liberals were able to get away with the first ban.

[Falcongunner]

I'm all for guns and the right to own them, but seriously folks -- why in the world does anyone need an automatic assault rifle for personal use? Law enforcement needs to hold something over potential criminals. Nowadays, the criminals are better armed than the good guys.

I own assault weapons for the same reason that law enforcement does. Protection against the same bad guys, I can also hunt with mine, and use it for recreational purposes. And in the rare event of a catastrophe I can use it to protect myself from the masses. What’s so hard to understand?

Do you think that law enforcement is so better equipped mentally to own such weapons? I think most citizens would feel safer with crew from DFW stangs than some law enforcement individuals if they really knew how poorly trained they are for citizen protection. As one local major city police firearms instructor said to me "I am lucky if they don't shoot their foot off" and "their qualifying course is a legal joke". Makes me feel real safe and warm fuzzy. I have met a few LE that took the time to train and are just deadly in the field and competent as well.

In any event, the right to own, bear and use firearms should not be subject to sporting uses or I’m good your bad mentality.

And, as to Mexico, a favorite writer of mine, Edward Abby said this. (Paraphrase) “Every illegal alien crossing the border should be captured, given a rifle, turned around and sent back to Mexico”. Think about it, I’ll bet the drug cartels could run Mexico better than the corrupt politicians ever could. And what if we just stopped the “war” on drugs and started helping the drug addicts in a medical way, but what American politician would be so politically incorrect?

Wayne in FW

[GT Dan]

I think that would get struck down in court or would at least create the old adage of when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.

I agree with you. I think my statement could be considered alarmist but on the other hand, I think they could get away with it.

They kinda do it in California with the "medical" weed shops. Even though the state has legalized it to a certain degree, the feds still go in, bust up a bunch of shit, seize everything and walk away without charging anyone.

My thought is this. The Supreme Court ruled that while the 2nd amendment is an individual right, reasonable gun restrictions are allowed. To some of these dopes in DC, they can easily say and get away with things like a federal license and licensing all firearms.

Most of the dumb-asses that don't know who the VP is wont object. When Obama gets on the stump and starts preaching we're using common sense regulations and he can compare it driving a car. I can hear his BS now, "You cant drive a car without training and a license. The same should apply to guns." Everyone will nod and agree. To a certain extent, I even agree.

People that do it already by arguing that only LEO and military should have "assault weapons." Because they need them, they're trained, blah blah blah....

Of course the thing he conveniently leaves out are the fees, the hassles and the govts ability to ruin the life of an otherwise law abiding citizen over a simple paperwork mistake and that scares the shit out of me...

[Yale]

I'm all for guns and the right to own them, but seriously folks -- why in the world does anyone need an automatic assault rifle for personal use? Law enforcement needs to hold something over potential criminals. Nowadays, the criminals are better armed than the good guys.

The Second Amendment is a provision for protecting yourself, with violence, from tyrannical abuse. It's not about duck hunting, it's not about target shooting, and it's not even about burglars. This country isn't free because we're more civilized than others, or nicer than others. This country is free because we have agreed on a social contract. Collectively, we've agreed: if you step out of line, it's ok for the rest of us to fuck your shit up. On that note, it is only fair that private citizens own fully automatic, military style weapons. We must retain the right to fire our government. I cannot envision an incarnation of government that will NEVER require that cleansing process.

[Hass]

The Second Amendment is a provision for protecting yourself, with violence, from tyrannical abuse. It's not about duck hunting, it's not about target shooting, and it's not even about burglars.

Sounds like you are quoting Suzanna Gratia Hupp. She is on my small list of heroes!

I like the way she put it in this quote.....

"How a politician stands on the Second Amendment tells you how he or she views you as an individual... as a trustworthy and productive citizen, or as part of an unruly crowd that needs to be lorded over, controlled, supervised, and taken care of."

[Yale]

Sounds like you are quoting Suzanna Gratia Hupp. She is on my small list of heroes!

I like the way she put it in this quote.....

"How a politician stands on the Second Amendment tells you how he or she views you as an individual... as a trustworthy and productive citizen, or as part of an unruly crowd that needs to be lorded over, controlled, supervised, and taken care of."


Exactly! How do you view your constituency, Senator? Are we trustworthy, and deserving citizens, or are we mindless rabble? I didn't quote her, but I did paraphrase her duck hunting line.

[ALLAN]

I'm all for guns and the right to own them, but seriously folks -- why in the world does anyone need an automatic assault rifle for personal use? Law enforcement needs to hold something over potential criminals. Nowadays, the criminals are better armed than the good guys.

So you aren't really all for gun rights.:smashfreakB:

The criminals are seldom better armed or trained and the authorities aren't always the good guys

[HOOCBB]

I'm all for guns and the right to own them, but seriously folks -- why in the world does anyone need an automatic assault rifle for personal use? Law enforcement needs to hold something over potential criminals. Nowadays, the criminals are better armed than the good guys.

It doesn't matter what laws and bans are passed, criminals will ALWAYS get their hands on the weapon of their choice. Criminals don't care about laws which is what makes the PC 30.06 signs stupid in TX. All these signs and weapons bans do are disarm the law-abiding citizen and taking away his God given right of self defense.

[FATHERFORD]

I'm curious, if the assault ban does happen, does that mean you can no longer buy class 3 weapons?

I have been wanting an automatic for a while now... If it's up when a ban takes place, i might just have to bite the bullet and buy one.

[exlude]

I'm all for guns and the right to own them, but seriously folks -- why in the world does anyone need an automatic assault rifle for personal use? Law enforcement needs to hold something over potential criminals. Nowadays, the criminals are better armed than the good guys.

All these new smileys, and no oh-so-deserved forehead slap smiley.

This'll have to do
:smashfreakB:

[Hass]

I'm curious, if the assault ban does happen, does that mean you can no longer buy class 3 weapons?

I have been wanting an automatic for a while now... If it's up when a ban takes place, i might just have to bite the bullet and buy one.

This faction in office now can take away any of our rights as they see fit. If you want it, better get it while you can. IMO.

[Slowhand]

All these new smileys, and no oh-so-deserved forehead slap smiley.

This'll have to do
:smashfreakB:

Ha. Bravo, sir.

[03trubluGT]

And what if we just stopped the “war” on drugs and started helping the drug addicts in a medical way, but what American politician would be so politically incorrect?

Wayne in FW

I believe that would just encourage drug use.

[Falcongunner]

I believe that would just encourage drug use.

It might. But the point is that what we are doing now does not work. The war on drugs was lost on day one. I grew up with drugs, used them in the late sixties and seventies (while going to college and being quite successful), and have dealt with young people using drugs and ruining their lives for the last 20 years. I have friends that are felons for possessing an ounce of weed in the early seventies, and I have family members whose lives are trashed.

I feel somewhat certain that my "hippie "generation is responsible for many of the problems we have today as far as drug use goes. But where is the help? Some stupid campaign that says "no to drugs" and throw them in jail if they say yes? That really worked well! Keep drugs out of their hands by making it illegal? That really worked well also!

From an economic standpoint the war is a disaster. I spent some time with one of my childhood friends who made his way up the chain in the border patrol out in the area between Van Horn and the border. I looked at their budget and you wouldn't believe how much one helicopter patrol costs! DEA budgets are astronomical, and the effort of all agencies combined ads up to billions.
The problem is that no politician is willing (or even has the forethought) to say that we should de-criminalize all drug use which would then free our courts and prisons, cut down on burglaries, and let law enforcement concentrate on other issues, and save billions of dollars.


The situation with Americans and drug use requires a totally new approach and I don't mean some liberal bullshit that has been suggested or tried in the past. When one sits down at a think tank table and approaches a problem, the first thing you would ask is "Our war has not worked. We spend billions. What can we do different?”" Let's think out of the box". (I hate that expression but can't think of a better one). I have been at these tables and the first thing someone will say is "we have done that and it won't work". It always begins with defeatist thinking

I would also bet that if you put an average fifth grader at the table they would come up with some great suggestions on how to handle the problem as they do not yet have an agenda, an adult ego, and are not afraid of the truth.

I find it hard to believe that there is not a better solution to the problem than what we are now doing. Will Obama step up to the platform and ask for change?
Not likely. It would make government much smaller. It would not sound good on TV. The conservatives would go ballistic. The drug cartels would fold (or become legitimate). Oh my.:shocked:

We will just keep on doing the same thing and expecting different results.
Insane isn't it?

Wayne in FW

[Sgt Beavis]

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/pelosi-tosses-cold-water-on-reviving-assault-weapon-ban-2009-02-26.html

Pelosi throws cold water on weapons ban
By Mike Soraghan
Posted: 02/26/09 11:59 AM [ET]
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi tossed cold water on the prospect of reinstating the assault weapons ban, highlighting Democrats’ reluctance to take on gun issues.

Attorney General Eric Holder raised the prospect Wednesday that the administration would push to bring back the ban. But Pelosi (D-Calif.) indicated on Thursday that he never talked to her. The Speaker gave a flat “no” when asked if she had talked to administration officials about the ban.


“On that score, I think we need to enforce the laws we have right now,” Pelosi said at her weekly news conference. “I think it's clear the Bush administration didn’t do that.”

Outside of the dig at the recent Republican president, that phrase is the stock line of those who don’t want to pass new gun control laws, such as the National Rifle Association.

The White House declined to comment on Holder's remarks, referring reporters to the Department of Justice. The DoJ did not respond to The Hill's request for comment.

I've made mention of this before (on the Political forum). The Democrats remember that the Assault Weapons Ban was one of the primary reasons that they lost control of Congress in the '90s. Pelosi was in Congress during that ass whipping that Newt handed them..

Beyond that, there is a decent chance that they don't have the votes to pass it anyways. There are several Democrats that are pro gun. Then there is the Senate where the Republicans might actually be able to man up and filibuster it..

We should be VERY watchful of the situation, but I have a lot of doubts that Obama can have his way on this...