daytona 500

[krazy kris]

who is your pick to win

I will say mark martin

[slow84lx]

I don't care at all who wins.

Last week for me was spent in Daytona Beach for work. Unfortunately I was unable to go watch the practice sessions......and it was damn cold.:frown:

[Saladbar]

Richard Petty FTW!!!


j/k... I dunno. I'll pick Robby Gordon since my new and improved employer sponsors him. :)

[mardyn]

I'd like to see Tony Stewart get the win today, but I'll be happy with anybody other than Jimmy Johnson, Jeff Gordon or Kyle Busch.

mardyn

[MattB]

Richard Petty FTW!!!


j/k... I dunno. I'll pick Robby Gordon since my new and improved employer sponsors him. :)

You work for Jim Beam? Either way, I need Robby Gordon to win or at least place int he top ten. I have two different bets at 3:1 for him to place in the top ten! gogogogogogogo!

[Saladbar]

Nope. Techni Waterjet.

But you already know this... MAYNE!

[MattB]

Nope. Techni Waterjet.

But you already know this... MAYNE!

Haha, I thought so. I didn't know he had any other sponsors. I guess that's a small one?

[Saladbar]

Haha, I thought so. I didn't know he had any other sponsors. I guess that's a small one?

Like your peanuts..... Yes, it is. A donation really :)

[Badass2000gt]

JR will win.

[Adam]

Fucking rain.....

[mardyn]

#17 ftw!

[T-TOPPS5.0]

Fucking rain.....

No shit...... No rain, no win for Mat K. Cant stand that dude. I think had it stayed green, Jeff G. or Tony would have pulled it out. That 24 was coming strong and was running strong all day.

[Xtine]

I have no problem with Kenseth winning, after all I am a RoushFenway fan. Would have rathered Carl Edwards win, but eh.... New rivalry with Vickers and Jr????

[Red 342 H.O.]

No shit...... No rain, no win for Mat K. Cant stand that dude. I think had it stayed green, Jeff G. or Tony would have pulled it out. That 24 was coming strong and was running strong all day.

Jr. fucked up the whole race. Jeffy would have blown a tire or something. Some nobody would have won the race. Glad Matt won it myself......just not under the circumstances.

[RyanB]

No shit...... No rain, no win for Mat K. Cant stand that dude. I think had it stayed green, Jeff G. or Tony would have pulled it out. That 24 was coming strong and was running strong all day.


Why can't you stand him?

-MattB

[PonyFever]

No shit...... No rain, no win for Mat K. Cant stand that dude. I think had it stayed green, Jeff G. or Tony would have pulled it out. That 24 was coming strong and was running strong all day.

If you're a Gordon or Stewart fan I can see why you wouldn't like a clean, sportsmanlike driver like Kenseth. I'd be okay if every race someone took out Jeff G., Stewart and Kyle B. until they clean up their act and race to win, not race to wreck someone and win.

[T-TOPPS5.0]

Jr. fucked up the whole race. Jeffy would have blown a tire or something. Some nobody would have won the race. Glad Matt won it myself......just not under the circumstances.
No way. They had that shit under control once they figured it out. Plus, with all the cautions at the back half of the race which happen at every Daytona...... He was a strong favorite to win it. Even the odds on he was one of the three favored. Hell, he came back from almost dead last after his lucky dog break to 15th when the rain stopped the race with just over 100 miles to go. He had the car. There were other cautions to be had after Jr's regardless.

Why can't you stand him?

-MattB

Just never liked the guy. Hated the fact that he won his 1 championship with only 1 win all year. Dont get me wrong, he won under the rules at that time and not bitching about it. I just didnt like it. Just something about his demeanor I guess. :dunno:

If you're a Gordon or Stewart fan I can see why you wouldn't like a clean, sportsmanlike driver like Kenseth. I'd be okay if every race someone took out Jeff G., Stewart and Kyle B. until they clean up their act and race to win, not race to wreck someone and win.

:haha: Come on man. You really think Matt hasnt wrecked or spun others on purpose? Yes I am a Gordon fan. Have been since 93. Aside from maybe Mark Martin and Jeff Burton, all those guys have done something underhanded to win a race. You forget how Matt spun Jeff out of the way at bristol to get the win? Jeff returned the favor the next time they met on the same track to get his win. 99 % of them dish it but cant take it. Thats when they all start bitching when the are on the receiving end of it. Including Matt and Jeff. I dont mind aggresive driving from any driver....... Its the stupid moves that cause multiple wrecks like the one today between Vickers and Jr. that I dont like. It was way to early for that type of aggresive driving. I dont want to see anybody get hurt.

[T-TOPPS5.0]

If you're a Stewart fan

Forgot to mention........ I cant stand Stewart either. But the dude can drive the wheels off of a race car when hes on his "A" game.

[BreedLove]

If you're a Gordon or Stewart fan I can see why you wouldn't like a clean, sportsmanlike driver like Kenseth. I'd be okay if every race someone took out Jeff G., Stewart and Kyle B. until they clean up their act and race to win, not race to wreck someone and win.

You just named possible the three most talented drivers in the sport. They don't need to wreck anyone to win. If someone gets in their way they will get put aside. That's racing, always been that way, always will be. I fucking hate Kyle Bush, but the mother fucker can drive, so can Stewart and Gordon.

[Adam]

I have no problem with Kenseth winning, after all I am a RoushFenway fan. Would have rathered Carl Edwards win, but eh.... New rivalry with Vickers and Jr????Meh.....Aside from David Ragan and Jamie Mc. I don't care for Roush too much.

If you're a Gordon or Stewart fan I can see why you wouldn't like a clean, sportsmanlike driver like Kenseth. I'd be okay if every race someone took out Jeff G., Stewart and Kyle B. until they clean up their act and race to win, not race to wreck someone and win.

If you ever cheered for Dale Sr. you can't honestly say that he was a sportsmanlike driver. " I didn't mean to wreck him, just wanted to rattle his cage a little bit." Does that quote ring a bell? Now I don't think it is Tony, Jeff, or Kyle's intentions to wreck someone going for the win (most of the time), but put yourself in that situation. I'd wreck my fucking mom to win the Daytona 500!Lol damn the sportsmanship. Nascar wins are hard to come by and unless you try everything possible you won't be the one pulling into victory lane......:slomo::wiggle:

[IDAjeff]

kyle should of had it

[BP]

New rivalry with Vickers and Jr????

Vickers is too nice of a guy. Now Kyle Bush on the other hand, he'll be putting Jr into the wall if he's ever anywhere near the front of the pack again.

[Blown03_GT]

Vickers is too nice of a guy. Now Kyle Bush on the other hand, he'll be putting Jr into the wall if he's ever anywhere near the front of the pack again.
Fuck Kyle Bush and his cocky ass brother. I can't stand either of those tools. I will admit that they can both drive, but I can't stand them.

I'm not happy about the way it ended, but there are worse people that could have won the race. Would have really liked to see Martin win one.

[IDAjeff]

kyle busch is the future of nascar next to carl edwards so you better get used to seeing alot of them blown03_GT

fuck dale jr thats a cocky bastard only reason he won a race back in the day was because of his daddy

[IDAjeff]

Vickers is too nice of a guy. Now Kyle Bush on the other hand, he'll be putting Jr into the wall if he's ever anywhere near the front of the pack again.

rubbins racin

[Adam]

Fuck Kyle Bush and his cocky ass brother. I can't stand either of those tools. I will admit that they can both drive, but I can't stand them.

I'm not happy about the way it ended, but there are worse people that could have won the race. Would have really liked to see Martin win one.

Lol I like Kyle, if I was that good my head would be so big you wouldn't be able to get a helmet on it! I've watched him at texas and charlotte I could always tell if it was a good lap or not by how much of the right side of the car I could read as he was coming off a turn.....

[Adam]

kyle busch is the future of nascar next to carl edwards so you better get used to seeing alot of them blown03_GT

fuck dale jr thats a cocky bastard only reason he won a race back in the day was because of his daddy

So he won 17-18 races or whatever just because of his dad? You're a fucking retard.:crackhead::wiggle:

[IDAjeff]

i said back in the day you dont remember dale getting in front of people slowing them down so jr could pass by are you serious?

[Adam]

i said back in the day you dont remember dale getting in front of people slowing them down so jr could pass by are you serious?

That was one race- the 2001 Daytona 500. Remember who won?.....Michael Waltrip with Dale jr. in second. Try again bud......:hijacked:

[IDAjeff]

happened more than once im not just talkin about the daytona 500


besides that who do yall think started the big wreck that race?

was it vickers fault or jr

[T-TOPPS5.0]

was it vickers fault or jr

Both IMO. Vickers went for the block but it was way to early to try that. I am not a Jr. fan. Never have been. But it seems that you have so much dislike for him, you cant be unbiased. Vickers did go for the block. But Jr. had way to fast of a run on him and even before the initial spin, Jrs bumper hit Vickers quarter panel. That tells me he was there first. Had Jr hit the breaks or slowed down and caused the chain reaction behind him because everybody had to check up, then what? Would that have been his fault to? They were both at fault to a degree. Notice the fans are blaming Jr or Brian. Just depends on who you ask. Most of the drivers are blaming them both. Like Kyle said.... It was two guys racing like that for nothing.

[krazy kris]

I would like to see more racing like that from dale jr it kinda reminds me of his daddy. its been like dale jr is ok with coming in the top 10 every race I would rather see a guy like kyle busch that wants to win every race

[Blown03_GT]

happened more than once im not just talkin about the daytona 500


besides that who do yall think started the big wreck that race?

was it vickers fault or jr
Actually no it didn't. If you knew anything about senior you knew that he would do anything to win a race. The race he lost his life in is the first time he ever did something like that.

If he would have had a car good enough to win that day you can bet your ass he would have been on Jr's back bumper getting him loose so he could drive around him for the win.

[Blown03_GT]

I would like to see more racing like that from dale jr it kinda reminds me of his daddy. its been like dale jr is ok with coming in the top 10 every race I would rather see a guy like kyle busch that wants to win every race
Jr. drives more like his grandpa did. Takes car of the car and is smoother. His dad would just drive the wheels off of it.

In the early years his cars were heavier than everyone else because they were built so he wouldn't brake it trying to win.

[T-TOPPS5.0]

Vickers is too nice of a guy. Now Kyle Bush on the other hand, he'll be putting Jr into the wall if he's ever anywhere near the front of the pack again.

I dont think Vickers is to nice per say to do it, I dont think he is an elite driver. He runs well sometimes and other days you dont know hes there. But Kyle wont put Jr in a wall because Nascar doesnt allow them to drive like they did back in the day. He's already been put on probation before for aggressive driving. And he knows they will remember that. Its a shame sometimes that they dont let the drivers settle things. I think the last of the real old school drivers was Spencer. He punched Kurt right in the mouth two three years back when he drove the sirius car. He was suspended 2 races for it.

[Adam]

Actually no it didn't. If you knew anything about senior you knew that he would do anything to win a race. The race he lost his life in is the first time he ever did something like that.

If he would have had a car good enough to win that day you can bet your ass he would have been on Jr's back bumper getting him loose so he could drive around him for the win.

Thank you. Finally a smart response. I believe Jr. only won 1 maybe 2 races before his dad died. Unfortunately IDaIdiot refuses to pay attention to history.....

[4DRSS]

nascar sucks balls

[Adam]

I would like to see more racing like that from dale jr it kinda reminds me of his daddy. its been like dale jr is ok with coming in the top 10 every race I would rather see a guy like kyle busch that wants to win every race

They all want to win every race but they know that won't happen. I hate the "big picture" cliche but if you want to win a championship thats how you do it. Dale sr won his championships by being in the top 10 more than anyone else.

[Xtine]

Kyle Bush is a giant TOOL!!!!!!! :slomo:

[T-TOPPS5.0]

Kyle Bush is a giant TOOL!!!!!!! :slomo:

I agree. But a very talented tool. Not a fan of the Bush brothers. But I think the younger Bush is the more talented of the two and in the top 5 in all of Nascar.

[IDAjeff]

if you dont like kyle then i feel sorry for you because the guy knows how to drive straight up

Carl, Johnson, Gordon, K. Busch i think those guys would have to be the best in nascar right now even though Gordon hasnt won since like last year hes still something to keep your eye on.

[grape]

wow, i wish it was true that driver ability determined the outcome of races..........keep dreamin.:redface:

[IDAjeff]

oh it doesnt lol cause jeff gordon would have to be at the top of that list but he hasnt one a race in over a year

[Xtine]

Kyle Bush is talented, the kid can drive I will give ya that! I still hate him! Carl Edwards is my driver. I really think this could be his year! Will be interesting to say the least.
As for driver ability not playing a role... that's bs. Driver ability does play a role in winning races. If it didn't then we would have different drivers winning all season long.

[Adam]

Kyle Bush is talented, the kid can drive I will give ya that! I still hate him! Carl Edwards is my driver. I really think this could be his year! Will be interesting to say the least.
As for driver ability not playing a role... that's bs. Team ability does play a role in winning races. If it didn't then we would have different drivers winning all season long.

Carl should have a shot......As long as he doesnt take himself and half the chase contenders out at talledega in the fall. :nutkick: Oh and I fixed your last statement. TEAMS win races and championships. Without a smart man atop the pit box you can't do shit......

[BreedLove]

Carl should have a shot......As long as he doesnt take himself and half the chase contenders out at talledega in the fall. :nutkick: Oh and I fixed your last statement. TEAMS win races and championships. Without a smart man atop the pit box you can't do shit......

hence why jr can't do shit.

[T-TOPPS5.0]

hence why jr can't do shit.

I have to agree 100% with that statement.I will never understand why Jr brought his cousin with him. All they ever do is argue about what needs to be done to the car. As much as I dislike Johnsons crew chief... I have to credit him for a lot of Jimmy's wins.

[Xtine]

Carl should have a shot......As long as he doesnt take himself and half the chase contenders out at talledega in the fall. :nutkick: Oh and I fixed your last statement. TEAMS win races and championships. Without a smart man atop the pit box you can't do shit......


Thanks for the correction!!

[Blown03_GT]

Kyle Bush is talented, the kid can drive I will give ya that! I still hate him! Carl Edwards is my driver. I really think this could be his year! Will be interesting to say the least.
As for driver ability not playing a role... that's bs. Driver ability does play a role in winning races. If it didn't then we would have different drivers winning all season long.
I believe Grape was insinuating that the outcome of the race is a forgone conclusion before the green flag is dropped.

[IDAjeff]

so where are my kyle busch haters at now?

[IDAjeff]

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[Xtine]

I believe Grape was insinuating that the outcome of the race is a forgone conclusion before the green flag is dropped.

Well, they proved that wrong on Sunday. I don't think many people actually thought Matt Kenseth would win the race! I no one expected Jr's motor to crap out on him either!!

[Xtine]

so where are my kyle busch haters at now?

Well, he couldn't pull off the trifecta! And - he is still a giant tool!!!!!! I will hate him forever, even if he manages to pull off a championship one day!

[IDAjeff]

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it just wouldnt be as fun watching kyle win every race without haters! =]

[grape]

I believe Grape was insinuating that the outcome of the race is a forgone conclusion before the green flag is dropped.

not so much as to say that, but after years of pushing trucks, busch cars and cup cars through the tech line, you would understand what goes on.....Nascar is a business just like a circus, nascar fans don't want to see a nobody kick the shit out of the superstars, plain and simple read into it what you want.

and kyle's really not a bad kid, you people that think you hate him woudn't if you knew him.

[IDAjeff]

haha iv met the bastard three times already