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CJD
02-07-2009, 02:28 PM
According to a report by Sports Illustrated, Alex Rodriguez tested positive for anabolic steroids in 2003, when he was with the Texas Rangers and won the AL home run title and MVP award.

According to the report, which was posted Saturday morning on SI.com, sources told the publication that Rodriguez was on a list of 104 players who tested positive that year, when Major League Baseball conducted survey tests to see if mandatory, random drug-testing was needed.

Sources who know about the testing results told Sports Illustrated that Rodriguez tested positive for testosterone and Primobolan, an anabolic steroid.

In 2003, there were no penalties for a positive result.

Rodriguez, reached at a Miami gym Thursday for comment by Sports Illustrated, said: "You'll have to talk to the union."

Asked if there were an explanation for the positive test result, Rodriguez told SI: "I'm not saying anything."

Sources confirmed to ESPN's T.J. Quinn that Rodriguez was aware he tested positive for steroids in 2003.

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Primobolan, also known as methenolone, is an injected or orally administered drug. It improves strength and maintains lean muscle with minimal bulk development and few side effects. It is not an approved prescription drug in the United States. Testosterone can be taken legally with a prescription.

In a December 2007 interview with "60 Minutes," however, three days after George Mitchell's report on drugs in the sport was released, Rodriguez denied using performance-enhancing drugs.

"I've never felt overmatched on the baseball field. ... I felt that if I did my, my work as I've done since I was, you know, a rookie back in Seattle, I didn't have a problem competing at any level," he said on "60 Minutes."

Scott Boras, Rodriguez's agent, did not immediately return calls from ESPN.com seeking comment.

Both the Yankees and the Rangers told ESPN they would not comment.

The Major League Baseball Players Association issued a statement Saturday afternoon: "Information and documents relating to the results of the 2003 MLB testing program are both confidential and under seal by court orders. We are prohibited from confirming or denying any allegation about the test results of any particular player[s] by the collective bargaining agreement and by court orders. Anyone with knowledge of such documents who discloses their contents may be in violation of those court orders."

Major League Baseball said it was "disturbed" by the report, but did not elaborate because of player confidentiality.

"Because the survey testing that took place in 2003 was intended to be nondisciplinary and anonymous, we cannot make any comment on the accuracy of this report as it pertains to the player named," MLB executive vice president Rob Manfred said.

A-Rod, By The Numbers
Alex Rodriguez belted a career-high 57 home runs in 2002, a year before he won his first of three MVP awards and reportedly tested positive for testosterone and an anabolic steroid as baseball conducted survey testing.

Survey testing was created in 2003, in an agreement with the MLBPA, to see if mandatory testing and penalties were necessary to be implemented in 2004 -- it also was specifically designed to ensure players would not be identified.

The actual samples were kept in one lab in Las Vegas and had codes, not players' names. A list with the names and corresponding codes were in an office in Long Beach, Calif., and were never supposed to be united.

MLB and the union had a deal with the company that any negative samples were to be automatically destroyed after 30 days.

However, because of the current Barry Bonds investigation and the evidence the government is seeking to present in his current perjury case, it is now known that samples were not destroyed. It had been previously reported that Bonds did not test positive in 2003, but the government found the sample when all were seized, and had tested it.

According to court documents unsealed by a federal judge on Wednesday, Bonds tested positive three times for methenolone.

More than 5 percent of players in the majors tested positive for performance-enhancing substances in the '03 survey, and mandatory testing was implemented -- including provisions for penalties -- in 2004.

Even if Major League Baseball were to confirm that Rodriguez was one of the players to test positive in 2003, he would not be subject to any sort of discipline based on that testing.

However, if information emerges about positive tests from 2004 on, circumstances could change. There have been players connected with HGH purchases from 2004 and forward, for example, who have been subject to discipline by the commissioner's office.

"I think in the climate that we have today, you don't have much shock anymore," Rangers senior adviser John Hart said on the MLB Network. Hart was the general manager during the 2003 season. "Obviously Alex probably is the best player in baseball. This has always been a special talent and the guy has been putting up Hall of Fame numbers since the day he showed up in the big leagues. It saddens me. I've been in the game for almost 40 years and it hurts a little bit, if in fact this is true."

Rodriguez played for the Rangers from 2001 to 2003. He was traded to the Yankees in 2004. He is drawing a major league-high $27 million salary after signing a record $275 million, 10-year contract with New York in 2007.

Rodriguez until now has had an offseason dominated by talk of disclosures in Joe Torre's recently released book. The former Yankee manager wrote of the pressure A-Rod puts on himself and the third baseman's need to command the stage. Torre said some in the Yankees clubhouse referred to Rodriguez as "A-Fraud," although Torre made light of that during interviews promoting his book, "The Yankee Years."

John Hart, Texas's general manager in 2003, Rodriguez's first MVP season, told ESPN.com's Jerry Crasnick that because club officials were not privy to the results of survey testing in 2003, he had no knowledge of Rodriguez's alleged steroid use.

"At the time, you were in the dark as to what was going on, or who was using something,'' Hart said. "Nobody talked about it. "You'd hear rumors going around, or you could look with your own eyes and maybe notice something. But Alex was a great player coming out of high school, and we never had any reports that resembled that.''

Hart also pronounced himself saddened by the Sports Illustrated report.

"It breaks my heart for the game that we have this kind of thing occurring,'' he said. "But at the same time, a lot of people seem to have been caught in this net.''


Information from The Associated Press, ESPN.com's Jerry Crasnick, ESPN The Magazine senior writer Buster Olney, and ESPN's T.J. Quinn was used in this report.

Gaber
02-07-2009, 02:29 PM
I'm shocked :doh:

CJD
02-07-2009, 02:50 PM
I hear you, but ALOT of people just assumed that he has never done steroids. I even remember some people on this very board saying that A-Rod is clean.

SuperWho?
02-07-2009, 03:28 PM
This was the best news of the week. All you Bonds haters who actually think your "Golden Boy" was gonna break his record anyways can now shut the hell up. Steroids have been part of professional sports for nearly 50 years now, if you honestly believe otherwise, you're being naive.

Avery'sDad
02-07-2009, 04:38 PM
A-fraud has b hurt the rangers for at least ten years. Let's see how long Hicks hurt them until RIP

Slowhand
02-07-2009, 04:45 PM
A-fraud has b hurt the rangers for at least ten years. Let's see how long Hicks hurt them until RIP

English, motherfucker. Do you speak it?

Avery'sDad
02-07-2009, 04:51 PM
LOL no coprenday

4DRSS
02-07-2009, 06:07 PM
They should stop testing for this shit, who cares. Makes the players faster and stronger, and the games more exciting.

That_Is_My_El_Camino
02-08-2009, 06:28 AM
"Obviously Alex probably is the best player in baseball."I mean, obviously, he probably is. LMAO

5point0pony
02-09-2009, 11:58 AM
Wow, this has consumed the sports world for the past 3 or 4 days, and only 9 post so far?

Vertnut
02-09-2009, 01:08 PM
This was the best news of the week. All you Bonds haters who actually think your "Golden Boy" was gonna break his record anyways can now shut the hell up. Steroids have been part of professional sports for nearly 50 years now, if you honestly believe otherwise, you're being naive.

There was a thread on here about this very thing...him surpassing McGuire and Bonds, etc. Guess what? It doesn't matter if he does, because he's a damn CHEATER!:stups:

bcoop
02-09-2009, 01:12 PM
They should stop testing for this shit, who cares. Makes the players faster and stronger, and the games more exciting.

I see that point, but at the same time, taking steroids to gain a competitive edge, is sending the wrong message to kids. There's a flip side to that, too. If parents did their jobs, the kids would get the right message. That said, this is America. Nobody takes responsibility for anything anymore. So because the parents don't do their jobs, they shift blame to the "role models."


I still think cheating is cheating, no matter which way you slice it. If he's juicing now, he should be kicked out of the league. Back then, there obviously were no regulations in place, so this is more water cooler fodder than anything.

Nate
02-09-2009, 01:26 PM
They should stop testing for this shit, who cares. Makes the players faster and stronger, and the games more exciting.

Whether they start testing/stop testing or whatever they do, I do not watch or follow baseball anymore.

5point0pony
02-09-2009, 01:43 PM
He hasn't made a statement or anything so I wonder which way he''ll take it.

5point0pony
02-09-2009, 01:50 PM
I guessed I missed it, after a quick search...
NEW YORK (AP)—Alex Rodriguez admitted Monday that he used performance-enhancing drugs from 2001-03 when he played for the Texas Rangers.

“Back then it was a different culture. It was very loose. I was young. I was stupid,” the New York Yankees star said in an interview with ESPN. “I was naive, and I wanted to prove to everyone that, you know, I was worth, you know— and being one of the greatest players of all time.

His admission came two days after Sports Illustrated reported he tested positive for steroids in 2003, one of 104 players who tested positive during baseball’s survey testing, which wasn’t subject to discipline.

“It was such a loosey-goosey era. I’m guilty for a lot of things. I’m guilty for being negligent, naive, not asking all the right questions,” Rodriguez said. “To be quite honest, I don’t know exactly what substance I was guilty of using.”

SI.com reported he tested positive for Primobolan and testosterone.

“And I did take a banned substance and, you know, for that I’m very sorry and deeply regretful. And although it was the culture back then and Major League Baseball overall was very—I just feel that—You know, I’m just sorry. I’m sorry for that time. I’m sorry to fans. I’m sorry for my fans in Texas. It wasn’t until then that I ever thought about substance of any kind, and since then I’ve proved to myself and to everyone that I don’t need any of that.”

Rodriguez directly contradicted a December 2007 interview with CBS’s “60 Minutes,” when he said, “No” when asked whether he’s ever used steroids, human growth hormone or any other performance-enhancing substance.

“I’ve never felt overmatched on the baseball field,” he said then. “I felt that if I did my, my work as I’ve done since I was, you know, a rookie back in Seattle, I didn’t have a problem competing at any level.”
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-rodriguez-steroids&prov=ap&type=lgns

Paladin
02-09-2009, 04:10 PM
Now that A-Rod has admitted it, should he get an asterisk by his name for any and all records he may have when he retires?

BlownStroked89Lx
02-09-2009, 04:24 PM
These guys did what they had to do to compete at the top level..........if the guy next you is juicing it.....how can you blame him, you get paid for how well you play....steriods help you perform at a higher level, so in turn your pay will increase at a higher level....can't blame the guys for taking steriods.....if your job was to become a better athlete and all your numbers would increase by "cheating" im sure lots of guys would do it.....when you get paid mega-bucks like these guys do....then its worth it for them to do it, worry about getting caught later on down the road...not like there gonna take there pay checks away when they where juicing it.

RyanB
02-09-2009, 05:29 PM
Ok, so hitters are taking steriods (in the Steroid Era) so they can work out longer/come back form injuries faster, as well as get bigger. Pitchers are using steroids so they can recover from injuries faster/battle fatigue, as well as throw harder. Isn't it a wash? And besides if you're going to compare, A-rod still put up better numbers than the rest of the juicing MLBers, fuck it. It's arguing over petty shit imo. Be it baseball, football, racing, javelin...people will do borderline shit to gain that edge. I don't see why there needs to be an asterisk. He didn't triple in size like some other guys.

89gt-stanger
02-09-2009, 09:09 PM
Ok, so hitters are taking steriods (in the Steroid Era) so they can work out longer/come back form injuries faster, as well as get bigger. Pitchers are using steroids so they can recover from injuries faster/battle fatigue, as well as throw harder. Isn't it a wash? And besides if you're going to compare, A-rod still put up better numbers than the rest of the juicing MLBers, fuck it. It's arguing over petty shit imo. Be it baseball, football, racing, javelin...people will do borderline shit to gain that edge. I don't see why there needs to be an asterisk. He didn't triple in size like some other guys.

In almost all sports, performance enhancing methods are used. Whether steroids or not, it's the same concept.

Baseball players take steroids for better performance. They were already strong, just wanted to have an edge on the competition.

Tiger Woods gets lasik for better vision. (He had 20/22, now he has 20/12) He already had good eyes, just wanted an edge over the competition.

Did ya'll know that more people die each year from the use of Flinstones vitamins, than steroids?

ToRqUeTwIsTeR
02-09-2009, 09:21 PM
players juice in all professional sports......players get caught in all professional sports.....high school athletes die because of them and the examples they lead.

BlownStroked89Lx
02-09-2009, 10:14 PM
Thats not so true...the state of texas had a steriod testing program installed here last couple of years...at cost of about 3 million dollars. A total of 3 players were busted using the "Juice" so was it worth it to burn tax dollars to catch 3 high school kids.....but it dosen't matter if you juice it really....it still takes great skill to hit a fast ball, steriods aren't going to help your reaction time and hand eye cordination when it comes to hitting a baseball..but it will make it when you do it hit....it goes alot farther.....should there be a asterisk mark next to there names??? maybe but you have to put it on all players in the 90's becouse you never will know 100% who did steriods and who didn't.

Vertnut
02-10-2009, 08:43 AM
Now that A-Rod has admitted it, should he get an asterisk by his name for any and all records he may have when he retires?

Yessir. It also means that the "powers that be" should reinstate the records of Roger Maris (61 HR's), Hank Aaron (755 HR's career), and any other's that were beaten by tainted athlete's.

Paladin
02-10-2009, 08:52 AM
Yessir. It also means that the "powers that be" should reinstate the records of Roger Maris (61 HR's), Hank Aaron (755 HR's career), and any other's that were beaten by tainted athlete's.

I tend to agree. Would the records be broken if they had not been juiced when they broke them?

Avery'sDad
02-10-2009, 09:08 AM
I tend to agree. Would the records be broken if they had not been juiced when they broke them?

NO. In almost 70 years only 2 guys hit 60 home runs in one season. Now all of a sudden you had 2 guys in one season hitting over 60 runs and then 2 hitting 70 or more. And then the whole corked bat fiasco. Give me a break. Would I be able to tell a cork bat from a regular one? Probably not. But Sammy has been playing baseball his whole life. I'm sure he could tell the minute he picked it up. These guys are straight up liars. Although to agree, if someone told me i would make 20 million a year if I juiced up........

Paladin
02-10-2009, 09:11 AM
NO. In almost 70 years only 2 guys hit 60 home runs in one season. Now all of a sudden you had 2 guys in one season hitting over 60 runs and then 2 hitting 70 or more. And then the whole corked bat fiasco. Give me a break. Would I be able to tell a cork bat from a regular one? Probably not. But Sammy has been playing baseball his whole life. I'm sure he could tell the minute he picked it up. These guys are straight up liars. Although to agree, if someone told me i would make 20 million a year if I juiced up........

Yeah I understand why they do it also. I just think that if they decide to do it they should not be able to claim all the records.

Until they decide to ban people for life they will have this problem from now on.

AL P
02-10-2009, 09:34 AM
Who gives a shit. There are a lot of people in professional sports who enjoy the juice and never get caught. It is rampant, you can't expect it not to be. I'd be suprised if he wasn't juicing to be honest.

Paladin
02-10-2009, 09:42 AM
I equate this juicing to everyday life and see how it plays out. Imagine a guy holding the world record for the fastest car on street radials (or any class for that matter) and the guy he beat finds out that the winner was on NOS and it was illegal? Imagine the WSOP winner was found to have an illegal listening device and had people telling him what hands other people had?

It doesn't affect me in my everyday life, but the sheeple who worship these athletes are making it so that they will do anything to win, and that just rubs me the wrong way.

Avery'sDad
02-10-2009, 10:02 AM
Yeah I understand why they do it also. I just think that if they decide to do it they should not be able to claim all the records.

Until they decide to ban people for life they will have this problem from now on.

I'm in total agreement on the records. Roger Maris then Babe Ruth has the most home runs IMO.

Vertnut
02-10-2009, 10:05 AM
I'm in total agreement on the records. Roger Maris then Babe Ruth has the most home runs IMO.

I don't think Aaron was juicing in '50's, '60's, and early '70's. I DO think that Atlanta was a "launching pad", though.:veryhappy:

Avery'sDad
02-10-2009, 10:14 AM
I don't think Aaron was juicing in '50's, '60's, and early '70's. I DO think that Atlanta was a "launching pad", though.:veryhappy:

I'm in total agreement on the records. Roger Maris then Babe Ruth has the most single season home runs IMO.

oops....fixed.

5point0pony
02-10-2009, 09:37 PM
I know it sounds naive, but I'll come out and just say that I just wanted to think he would break the HR record clean. I lost a ton of respect for the guy, and in the interview he looked less sorry than Romo ever has. Even worst I just lost respect for the game itself.

This just make me wonder about everyone else I was so "sure" of. Griffey? Manny? Ortiz? Jeter? Pujols? Guerrero?

BP
02-11-2009, 12:06 PM
Look at every player on the Rangers from 01-03. Guys like Carl Everett, Palmeiro, Mike Lamb, Blalock, Ruben Sierra and Kenny Rogers. I'd bet these guys are on the list. One player (Ken Caminiti) can infect a whole team.