No more Front License Plate bill

[Who Needs 8]

For all your legislature watching interests, the Bill is HB309

Stay up to date with it's travels through congress: http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLookup/History.aspx?LegSess=81R&Bill=HB309


For you idiots that actually read this forum and know nothing about how government works (which I would guess is 40% of you): as of this post THIS HAS NOT BEEN PASSED INTO LAW, YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE A FRONT LICENSE PLATE

[GT Dan]

They introduce one every session, I keep waiting for one to actually slip through...

I like this graphic... makes it easy for the less than politically inclined...

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLookup/BillStages.aspx?LegSess=81R&Bill=HB309

[Paladin]

For all your legislature watching interests, the Bill is HB309

Stay up to date with it's travels through congress: http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLookup/History.aspx?LegSess=81R&Bill=HB309


For you idiots that actually read this forum and know nothing about how government works (which I would guess is 40% of you): as of this post THIS HAS NOT BEEN PASSED INTO LAW, YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE A FRONT LICENSE PLATE

Nice disclaimer! :fing02:

[AL P]

Don't worry, the company that makes money on manufacturing the plates will get right in there and lobby this thing away. It happens every year.

[mustangguy289]

"I'm just a bill, yes I'm only a bill and I'm sitting here on capitol hill"

[Txstang1]

Don't worry, the company that makes money on manufacturing the plates will get right in there and lobby this thing away. It happens every year.Why change any of that? Just change the law! If you want to put that second plate that you paid for on the front, go for it.

I'm sure there is more to it though.

[BpuTacoma]

By any chance is there a bill for Motorcycle Lane Splitting??

[Who Needs 8]

Don't worry, the company that makes money on manufacturing the plates will get right in there and lobby this thing away. It happens every year.

Actually, plates are still made in Huntsville by the prison. The company that was making the "designer plates" at myplates.com is already defunct . . . it took less than 2 months, LOL.

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/11/22/1122plates.html

[mikeb]

The cops like the front plates to bounce laser off of, NTTA likes them for people who run tolls, and the red light camera cites like them for evidence, so they'll probably stay.

[Paladin]

The cops like the front plates to bounce laser off of, NTTA likes them for people who run tolls, and the red light camera cites like them for evidence, so they'll probably stay.

The laser bouncing off the plate is just so the officer can testify in court that he actually put the laser on the vehicles front plate. It will bouce off the front bumper just as nicely.

As long as no one bitches if this law passes because we get fewer suspect license plate numbers and solve even LESS crimes I am okay with it.

[Slowhand]

solve even LESS crimes

Is that even possible?

Kidding. Kind of.

[Paladin]

Is that even possible?

Kidding. Kind of.

There is an open invitation for anyone to come ride out with one of my troops and see what non-traffic cops do everyday. Most cvivilains who do come away very pleasantly surprised.

<-- admits there alot of crimes that go unsolved, but balks at the people who claim no crime gets solved. We catch car and home burglars, recover stolen property, and arrest people with felony warrants for very serious crimes routinely.

[big_tiger]

Would a copy paste email, help? lol

[big_tiger]

There is an open invitation for anyone to come ride out with one of my troops and see what non-traffic cops do everyday. Most cvivilains who do come away very pleasantly surprised.

<-- admits there alot of crimes that go unsolved, but balks at the people who claim no crime gets solved. We catch car and home burglars, recover stolen property, and arrest people with felony warrants for very serious crimes routinely.

So you are saying crime solving will drop because of no front plates?

[Paladin]

So you are saying crime solving will drop because of no front plates?


I guess you didn't read post #10, huh? :banghead:

[AL P]

Actually, plates are still made in Huntsville by the prison. The company that was making the "designer plates" at myplates.com is already defunct . . . it took less than 2 months, LOL.

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/11/22/1122plates.html

Trust me, there is someone who makes money off of this racket as many times as this bill has come up and has been shot down. It could be the people who supply the metal or the paint or the clear coat but someone is making sure this doesn't pass every year.

[big_tiger]

I guess you didn't read post #10, huh? :banghead:

lol sorry I did, but then someone was talking about the fight on our showroom floor, and I forgot about it. :headache:

You are saying that since there is not a plate in the front you could not easily identify a car? When you pull a LP# doesn't it give you make model color? I would think that is the first thing you look for, then take a closer look at the LP.

I think that is a weak (no offense) argument, when searching for criminals.

[GhostTX]

I know 3M is a big player because of that nice reflective film on every plate.

I can't think of a better way for the state to make money though. Drop literally half your cost in material and labor, but keep the same registration fee. Instant money.

[Mustangman_2000]

Makes no difference to me. I've never had a front license plate on any of my vehicles since day one. Been pulled over several times in my day. Never had a ticket or warning of any kind.

[Fox466]

There is an open invitation for anyone to come ride out with one of my troops and see what non-traffic cops do everyday. Most cvivilains who do come away very pleasantly surprised.





When can I ride? Can I bring my AR? Can we go hunting hood rats? :yup:

[big_tiger]

When can I ride? Can I bring my AR? Can we go hunting hood rats? :yup:

"OMG That zombie is heading toward the door, KILL IT!!!" :rocketwhore:

[GhostTX]

Makes no difference to me. I've never had a front license plate on any of my vehicles since day one. Been pulled over several times in my day. Never had a ticket or warning of any kind.
Been warned myself, but so far no ticket. Sure would be nice not to have the use no plate for an excuse to do other things.

For what its worth, I emailed my Texas representative.

[jakesford]

Trust me, there is someone who makes money off of this racket as many times as this bill has come up and has been shot down. It could be the people who supply the metal or the paint or the clear coat but someone is making sure this doesn't pass every year.

eh, I think they would want it to pass... The state/whoever will make more money since they will only have to supply one plate...You know damn well that registration charges aren't going to go down.:indifferent: lol

[Paladin]

lol sorry I did, but then someone was talking about the fight on our showroom floor, and I forgot about it. :headache:

You are saying that since there is not a plate in the front you could not easily identify a car? When you pull a LP# doesn't it give you make model color? I would think that is the first thing you look for, then take a closer look at the LP.

I think that is a weak (no offense) argument, when searching for criminals.

Is this a trick question? My point is you reduce the chance of getting a plate by 50% if you remove front plates. Once you get the plate the chances are the same. BTW, I would bet there is about a 10% chance of solving crimes even with the plate since so many plates are not even registered to the right address, person, or anyone even remotely associated with the car. This is some of the reason so many people who have no ties to a car will use that car to committ the crime in the first place.

Remember, I am not saying changing the law is bad, I just asked people to not whine about the possibility that solving crimes may go down if this happens.

[Paladin]

When can I ride? Can I bring my AR? Can we go hunting hood rats? :yup:

Yes. No. No. :sad6:

[line-em-up]

There is an open invitation for anyone to come ride out with one of my troops and see what non-traffic cops do everyday. Most cvivilains who do come away very pleasantly surprised.

<-- admits there alot of crimes that go unsolved, but balks at the people who claim no crime gets solved. We catch car and home burglars, recover stolen property, and arrest people with felony warrants for very serious crimes routinely.

Where do I sign up?

[Fox466]

Lol! Awww come on Don...:approve:

[Stevo]

The cops like the front plates to bounce laser off of, NTTA likes them for people who run tolls, and the red light camera cites like them for evidence, so they'll probably stay.

Also due to many places getting the in-car digital plate scanning equipment that immediately scans passing plates and alerts the officer if the car's registration or inspection (and coming soon, insurance) is expired, or if the registered owner has warrants, etc, we will never have this law passed.

Stevo

[venomous96'gt]

Is this a trick question? My point is you reduce the chance of getting a plate by 50% if you remove front plates. Once you get the plate the chances are the same. BTW, I would bet there is about a 10% chance of solving crimes even with the plate since so many plates are not even registered to the right address, person, or anyone even remotely associated with the car. This is some of the reason so many people who have no ties to a car will use that car to committ the crime in the first place.

Remember, I am not saying changing the law is bad, I just asked people to not whine about the possibility that solving crimes may go down if this happens.

Then why cant putting the LP on your front windshield where its clearly visible be okay? Its still visible from the front.

[Txstang1]

Where do I sign up?x2

[GhostTX]

So...what do these states do?

http://www.worldlicenceplates.com/gifmisc/XX_REQU_USA.gif

I'd be curious to see data that shows if one plate is truly a benefit. Last I checked, most cars I see pulled over have the cop behind them.

[Paladin]

Then why cant putting the LP on your front windshield where its clearly visible be okay? Its still visible from the front.

LOL, kind of defeats the purpose if the person who has decided to commit a crime can just pull the LP off the dash while doing the crime, then put it back on the dash once he/she gets out of the area. Why not just stop requiring a front LP?

[line-em-up]

LOL, kind of defeats the purpose if the person who has decided to commit a crime can just pull the LP off the dash while doing the crime, then put it back on the dash once he/she gets out of the area. Why not just stop requiring a front LP?

I always imagined if I was going to do anything criminal, I would have to make flip down plates that I could activate from inside the car. :yup:

[Paladin]

I always imagined if I was going to do anything criminal, I would have to make flip down plates that I could activate from inside the car. :yup:

I have seen tape covering plates and cars with plates removed, but never a flip down plate. I wonder if it has actually been done before.

[Who Needs 8]

I have seen tape covering plates and cars with plates removed, but never a flip down plate. I wonder if it has actually been done before.

Mythbusters did it. :fing02:

[Paladin]

Mythbusters did it. :fing02:

Well there you go!

[line-em-up]

Mythbusters did it. :fing02:

Are you talking about this? Is said it worked, but was illegal (Duh!). So, they discounted it.


Myth statement Status Notes
A speed camera can be fooled if the license plate is switched while driving. Busted (unofficial) Rigging the license plate to flip before the camera shot allowed an inaccurate display of the real plate. However, this method is illegal and would most likely net a far greater fine than the speeding ticket itself, rendering the point moot.

[line-em-up]

Here ya go.

http://www.plateflipper.com/

[line-em-up]

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[mikeb]

Also due to many places getting the in-car digital plate scanning equipment that immediately scans passing plates and alerts the officer if the car's registration or inspection (and coming soon, insurance) is expired, or if the registered owner has warrants, etc, we will never have this law passed.

Stevo

yep, can't forget automated revenue. I guess it's nice to have a system to tell you who to pull over.

[big_tiger]

Also due to many places getting the in-car digital plate scanning equipment that immediately scans passing plates and alerts the officer if the car's registration or inspection (and coming soon, insurance) is expired, or if the registered owner has warrants, etc, we will never have this law passed.

Stevo

Which option would generate more revenue? Doing less to gain more > Spending some to make more

Though I do like the idea to get non-insured people off the road. :headache:

[big_tiger]

Is this a trick question? My point is you reduce the chance of getting a plate by 50% if you remove front plates. Once you get the plate the chances are the same. BTW, I would bet there is about a 10% chance of solving crimes even with the plate since so many plates are not even registered to the right address, person, or anyone even remotely associated with the car. This is some of the reason so many people who have no ties to a car will use that car to committ the crime in the first place.

Remember, I am not saying changing the law is bad, I just asked people to not whine about the possibility that solving crimes may go down if this happens.

No, not at all. When you are looking for someone that already commited a crime you already have there LP# make, model, year correct?

[wesman]

Not to mention the new insurance database that the cops are cracking down on.....when they were talking about it on the news they were looking through their radar guns (assume they are magnified?? )and checking peoples front plates and then running them for insurance.

While they're at it they need to get rid of these stupid ass inspection and registration stickers and put them on the license plate instead of mucking up my windshield.

--wes

[Maverick]

While they're at it they need to get rid of these stupid ass inspection and registration stickers and put them on the license plate instead of mucking up my windshield.

--wes


They used to put stickers on the upper right hand corner of plates...and plates used to be stolen

[wesman]

They used to put stickers on the upper right hand corner of plates...and plates used to be stolen

Imagine punishing people that break the law to make sure they don't do it in the future......Florida still does it......they somehow seem to manage without stickers all over the damn front window.

If Texas would get their heads out of their collective asses and maybe join the information age they could link all of these things together......but I'd say them being proactive is a pipe dream.


--wes

[big_tiger]

Imagine punishing people that break the law to make sure they don't do it in the future......Florida still does it......they somehow seem to manage without stickers all over the damn front window.

If Texas would get their heads out of their collective asses and maybe join the information age they could link all of these things together......but I'd say them being proactive is a pipe dream.


--wes

Exactly if they could link things together, we would need stickers on anything. Oh look even more money saved!

[32VfromHell]

There is an open invitation for anyone to come ride out with one of my troops and see what non-traffic cops do everyday. Most cvivilains who do come away very pleasantly surprised.

<-- admits there alot of crimes that go unsolved, but balks at the people who claim no crime gets solved. We catch car and home burglars, recover stolen property, and arrest people with felony warrants for very serious crimes routinely.

AFAIK, but you are nonmilitary. You are a "civilian" as well, even wearing your badge. :yup:

If you were an MP you could talk all day long about civvies. Not to go off on a rant, but i get amused by the paramilitary jargon of cops now.

[Treadhead]

AFAIK, but you are nonmilitary. You are a "civilian" as well, even wearing your badge. :yup:

If you were an MP you could talk all day long about civvies. Not to go off on a rant, but i get amused by the paramilitary jargon of cops now.

Shut up civilian!:jester:

[Hmbre97]

I can tell you 3M has a HUGE part in getting this thing curb stomped every year. They make the reflective coating for the plates. One of thier lobbyists is a member of our mustang club down here in Austin and he was one of the guys they sent to squash this bill every year. He retired middle of last year though so maybe they'll send a greenhorn in his place and do a shitty job :crosses fingers:

[ModdinArt]

Will never pass but creating things to talk about keeps em in a job, I guess.

[Paladin]

No, not at all. When you are looking for someone that already commited a crime you already have there LP# make, model, year correct?

How do we already have "there" LP?

Again I am confused, so let me clarify. I only said that people who want no front plates should not bitch if criminals are not caught as often because we have reduced the chance of possibly getting their plate by 50%.

My point was about the witness who might see the plate (the one that used to be on front) would have less chance of getting it if half the plates are gone.

It does not affect cases where there is no witness.
It does not affect cases where there are no witnesses.
It does not affect cases where the person would have not gotten a plate even when two plates were on the car.

Now, does that make sense to you? If not, please explain in detail because I will be completely confused on your point unless you do. :banghead:

[Paladin]

AFAIK, but you are nonmilitary. You are a "civilian" as well, even wearing your badge. :yup:

If you were an MP you could talk all day long about civvies. Not to go off on a rant, but i get amused by the paramilitary jargon of cops now.

I am a sworn officer and ex-military so I know the difference. If you take it literally, like some cop haters do, you would have your opinion. Most people don't try and split hairs, but some do.

[32VfromHell]

I am a sworn officer and ex-military so I know the difference. If you take it literally, like some cop haters do, you would have your opinion. Most people don't try and split hairs, but some do.

Fair enough, but i think it is not a good line of thinking about it. I just think its an indication through either training or just experience that law officers try to use it to seperate "them" from "us". I dont know, i just see that as possibly a flawed way of thinking about law enforcement. I know im splitting hairs on it, but hell, i majored in Communications : its what i do! =P

[big_tiger]

How do we already have "there" LP?

Again I am confused, so let me clarify. I only said that people who want no front plates should not bitch if criminals are not caught as often because we have reduced the chance of possibly getting their plate by 50%.

My point was about the witness who might see the plate (the one that used to be on front) would have less chance of getting it if half the plates are gone.

It does not affect cases where there is no witness.
It does not affect cases where there are no witnesses.
It does not affect cases where the person would have not gotten a plate even when two plates were on the car.

Now, does that make sense to you? If not, please explain in detail because I will be completely confused on your point unless you do. :banghead:

I gotcha, I was just debating the part where you are looking for a car with the LP#.

You are correct about witnesses getting the number off front plate. :fing02:
But how many times does a witness only see a car backup away from them? :p

[Paladin]

Fair enough, but i think it is not a good line of thinking about it. I just think its an indication through either training or just experience that law officers try to use it to seperate "them" from "us". I dont know, i just see that as possibly a flawed way of thinking about law enforcement. I know im splitting hairs on it, but hell, i majored in Communications : its what i do! =P

You are definitley entitled to your opinion.

















Even if it is wrong! :cool2:

[Paladin]

I gotcha, I was just debating the part where you are looking for a car with the LP#.

You are correct about witnesses getting the number off front plate. :fing02:
But how many times does a witness only see a car backup away from them? :p

It was my experience that finding the person who was responsible for a crime with just a LP is about 20%. I can go into details and explain that opinion if you want.

I would only be guessing about how many people see the LP from the front, but it is probably pretty low.

[Fox466]

It was my experience that finding the person who was responsible for a crime with just a LP is about 20%. I can go into details and explain that opinion if you want.

I would only be guessing about how many people see the LP from the front, but it is probably pretty low.


So, overall, it's really not all that important then?

[Turbo5.4]

i have gotten a few tickets.... for the plate bs..

i still dont have one... i think it makes the car look like SHIT!!!

i hope it slips through...

[venomous96'gt]

LOL, kind of defeats the purpose if the person who has decided to commit a crime can just pull the LP off the dash while doing the crime, then put it back on the dash once he/she gets out of the area. Why not just stop requiring a front LP?

Whats stopping someone who is going to commit a crime from putting someone else's (for example a stolen LP) LP on the front of their car, committing a crime, then putting theirs back on? Whats stopping them from covering it up and then taking what they had covering it up off afterwards? How often do you compare someones front plate and rear plate randomly as you are just driving down the road to make sure they dont have 2 different LP?

[03trubluGT]

In Texas, when running the LP, it does NOT give you the color....

[Paladin]

Whats stopping someone who is going to commit a crime from putting someone else's (for example a stolen LP) LP on the front of their car, committing a crime, then putting theirs back on? Whats stopping them from covering it up and then taking what they had covering it up off afterwards? How often do you compare someones front plate and rear plate randomly as you are just driving down the road to make sure they dont have 2 different LP?

All of those are things that can happen and have nothing to do with my point.

[Paladin]

So, overall, it's really not all that important then?

What, getting the plate or having a front plate on cars?

[Who Needs 8]

There's now a bill in the Senate that is the same as the house bill.

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLookup/BillStages.aspx?LegSess=81R&Bill=SB561

[nathank]

The cops like the front plates to bounce laser off of, NTTA likes them for people who run tolls, and the red light camera cites like them for evidence, so they'll probably stay.


Actually if you wash and wax your car everyday the laser won't work.

That's what they do with the stealth bomber.

[big_tiger]

Well I got a letter from Todd Smith District 92, after asking him to back this bill.

HB 309 was pre-filled by Representative Fred Brown. My staff has been in contact with his office and learned that they have had second thoughts regarding this legislation and will not pursue it further.