Will the Bama team declare victory by withdrawing troops from Iraq?

[Hass]

Just wondering if anyone thinks the media will lift Time Magazine's Person of the Year higher by asserting that he is responsible for the troops leaving Iraq even though steps are already being taken to withdraw troops? Will The Exalted One come out with his hands raised in victory and take full credit for pulling them out or acknowledge that he is just continuing work already being done? Can America trust the media and Bama after we have already seen them perdify us with false claims of change?

[Paladin]

All good that happens from here on out is credited to Obama and all bad is Bush's fault. :rolleyes:

[forever_frost]

Exactly. Everything bad is going to be tossed up to "8 years of failed policy and Republican controlled Congress" and everything good is "The Messiah and Democrat controlled congress"

[Hollywood]

I wish I could get people to back me the same way you blindly follow Bush. The guy can make some of the worst decisions, and his followers look the other way. It didn't happen. It was congress, blah blah blah. And now I can see these same followers waiting to give Bush credit for anything Obama does. I guess it just takes a little smoke and mirrors in the form of patriotism to convince a few to over look your true intentions, your bad decisions and the destruction left behind.

[Mr Majestyk]

Me, I've done just fine the past eight years. Fuck obama and his sheeple.

[forever_frost]

I wish I could get people to back me the same way you blindly follow Bush. The guy can make some of the worst decisions, and his followers look the other way. It didn't happen. It was congress, blah blah blah. And now I can see these same followers waiting to give Bush credit for anything Obama does. I guess it just takes a little smoke and mirrors in the form of patriotism to convince a few to over look your true intentions, your bad decisions and the destruction left behind.


Which is different than Obama people ignoring his past affiliations, contacts with corrupt governors, and declaring him the best president ever without him serving one day? What about the fact they ignore the fact he still hasn't provided a birth certificate? Would you like me to keep going?

I admit Bush was a monkey, but he was handed a bunch of BS that he dealt with the best he could. Obama just "hopes" that things "change."

[futant]

Hey lets elect the most inexperienced person ever !
FTW
stupid sheeple, go worship
I'm happy terrorists are dead , and it all happened OVER THERE.
What fucking change do we need? socialist , marxist , commie loving bullshit is all I see for our future. Especially once all you mindless drones start talking in unison

[Hollywood]

Which is different than Obama people ignoring his past affiliations, contacts with corrupt governors, and declaring him the best president ever without him serving one day? What about the fact they ignore the fact he still hasn't provided a birth certificate? Would you like me to keep going?

I admit Bush was a monkey, but he was handed a bunch of BS that he dealt with the best he could. Obama just "hopes" that things "change."

Texas is more corrupt than Illinois. A report acknowledging that just came out (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-12-10-corruptstates_N.htm ). In fact, several states were far more corrupt. I mention Texas since it was one of them and the all mighty Bush hails from here. So the same could be said for Bush and I believe it was actually around 9/11 that it was said.

The birth certificate thing is nothing more than propaganda started by an internet blogger. Forwarded emails for the loss.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

[forever_frost]

Yet following your train of thought, Illinois is one of the most corrupt in the nation so therefore, Obama is so corrupt he's practically Emperor Palpatine.

And if the Birth Certificate is such a non issue, why does he make it so? Hiring 3 law firms to fight against showing it? McCain showed his.....What's Obama hiding?

[Hollywood]

Yet following your train of thought, Illinois is one of the most corrupt in the nation so therefore, Obama is so corrupt he's practically Emperor Palpatine.

And if the Birth Certificate is such a non issue, why does he make it so? Hiring 3 law firms to fight against showing it? McCain showed his.....What's Obama hiding?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-12-10-corruptstates_N.htm

there's the study on corruption.

He's trying to prove he's a citizen becuase so many mindless zombies believe everything they get in forwarded emails or read in myspace blogs. If accused of something, would you not defend yourself? Ignoring the accusations would be quiet dumb. He's not hiding, he showed his. He showed his on his website. I don't get why you say he's hiding.

[forever_frost]

Actually, if someone sued me to see my b.c., I'd just pull it out and show them. NO need to tie up the courts. Especially if I am going to be the leader of the country. Showing it to anyone who wants to see the original should be no problem.

No, he didn't show the original birth certificate. The one with witnesses and the doctor that delivered him. THAT one I want to see.

[Hollywood]

Actually, if someone sued me to see my b.c., I'd just pull it out and show them. NO need to tie up the courts. Especially if I am going to be the leader of the country. Showing it to anyone who wants to see the original should be no problem.

No, he didn't show the original birth certificate. The one with witnesses and the doctor that delivered him. THAT one I want to see.


You're not going to bother to read the article so I guess i'm done here. No sense in arguing with someone for the sake of arguing.

[forever_frost]

ACtually I've seen the snopes article several times. What he presented was not a long form birth certificate, instead he presented a certificate of live birth, which in Hawaii, you can get up to a year after the birth for those parents who had their children at home.

And then there's his grandmother who said she was there when he was born in Kenya...hmmmm

[Paladin]

I wish I could get people to back me the same way you blindly follow Bush. The guy can make some of the worst decisions, and his followers look the other way. It didn't happen. It was congress, blah blah blah. And now I can see these same followers waiting to give Bush credit for anything Obama does. I guess it just takes a little smoke and mirrors in the form of patriotism to convince a few to over look your true intentions, your bad decisions and the destruction left behind.

Are you trying to say I have never said Bush made mistakes or did wrong? I think he is a decent, honorable, and admirable man, I never claimed he was perfect.

Do you think Bush did all bad/wrong and no good/correct?

Who did you vote for in the last election for President?

[Zarathustra]

Hey lets elect the most inexperienced person ever !
FTW
stupid sheeple, go worship
I'm happy terrorists are dead , and it all happened OVER THERE.
What fucking change do we need? socialist , marxist , commie loving bullshit is all I see for our future. Especially once all you mindless drones start talking in unison
Wonder who put that party in motion?

[Zarathustra]

Are you trying to say I have never said Bush made mistakes or did wrong? I think he is a decent, honorable, and admirable man, I never claimed he was perfect.

Do you think Bush did all bad/wrong and no good/correct?

Who did you vote for in the last election for President?

You forgot to address the blind follower part..

[slow06]

And now I can see these same followers waiting to give Bush credit for anything Obama does.

Well in this case at hand, according to the OP the withdraw of troops was started by Bush, therefore he should get the credit. The question is: Will Obama go down in history as the sole reason troops were removed from Iraq?

And the birth certificate thing, Snopes is pretty clearly biased on the issue and IMO showing the Birth Certificate to FactCheck is a little different than showing it to a court. I still believe it is possible that he is not a natural born citizen, but it does not really mater at this point. It has gone to the Supreme Court and been thrown out, so that is that.

[Paladin]

You forgot to address the blind follower part..

You have forgotten to address so many parts I have lost count.

[Paladin]

Wonder who put that party in motion?

OBL?

[Zarathustra]

You have forgotten to address so many parts I have lost count.

Please, that other thread is waiting on about a dozen responses from you, perhaps that's why you haven't posted in it all day?


OBL?

BJC?

GWB??


OH NOES!!

:p

[AL P]

I have no doubt that he will parade through the streets of Washington DC like a conquering hero returning to Rome.

[Denny]

I have no doubt that he will parade through the streets of Washington DC like a conquering hero returning to Rome.
Or stand in the newly-constructed Temple in Jerusalem, claiming he is God. :o

[Blackedout01gt]

Or stand in the newly-constructed Temple in Jerusalem, claiming he is God. :o

Watch what you say, it might come true.

The motherfucker scares me man. Too much shit didn't stick to him like it would have to other people. Let's just change the name to John McCain. If everything would have happened to McCain instead of Obama, McCain would not have even made it to general election. The birth certificate thing was just blown off. The Rev. Wright thing was just dismissed. Ayers, Farrakahn, Obama Youth, etc. etc. That is what scares me about the guy. Nothing sticks. He has the ability to pull the wool over people in an astonishing way.

[DaisyDoesDallas]

It won't be a victory regardless of whom the president is at the time. It was stupidity on our part to go to war again. Did we learn nothing the first time.

You want to win that war, go blow the place up with a nuclear bomb so no one is left and then you will win.

[Vertnut]

Watch what you say, it might come true.

The motherfucker scares me man. Too much shit didn't stick to him like it would have to other people. Let's just change the name to John McCain. If everything would have happened to McCain instead of Obama, McCain would not have even made it to general election. The birth certificate thing was just blown off. The Rev. Wright thing was just dismissed. Ayers, Farrakahn, Obama Youth, etc. etc. That is what scares me about the guy. Nothing sticks. He has the ability to pull the wool over people in an astonishing way.
...all done with the help of the media.

[Mustangman_2000]

Exactly. Everything bad is going to be tossed up to "8 years of failed policy and Republican controlled Congress" and everything good is "The Messiah and Democrat controlled congress"

That's how I see it as well.

[Blackedout01gt]

It won't be a victory regardless of whom the president is at the time. It was stupidity on our part to go to war again. Did we learn nothing the first time.

You want to win that war, go blow the place up with a nuclear bomb so no one is left and then you will win.

I agree with the second part of your post. A nuke would end all. That is what we should have done in the great "Shock and Awe" bullshit. I agree with the war but I do NOT agree with the way it was carried out. SOmething had to be done after 9/11, did it not?

What first time are you referring to?

[Paladin]

Please, that other thread is waiting on about a dozen responses from you, perhaps that's why you haven't posted in it all day?




BJC?

GWB??


OH NOES!!

:p

Nope, there are no responses unanswered by me. Sorry, but you have one unresponded to from me though.

[Paladin]

It won't be a victory regardless of whom the president is at the time. It was stupidity on our part to go to war again. Did we learn nothing the first time.

You want to win that war, go blow the place up with a nuclear bomb so no one is left and then you will win.

Why would you say there is no chance of victory? Please explain.

[Paladin]

You forgot to address the blind follower part..

If you can't see the answer to the blind follower part in my question, which requires some intelligence to figure out, too bad.

[forever_frost]

It seems like it to me that the blind followers are those who follow Obama. The man is teflon and his people won't even question him. I know Christians who don't give Christ that much slack.

[Paladin]

It seems like it to me that the blind followers are those who follow Obama. The man is teflon and his people won't even question him. I know Christians who don't give Christ that much slack.

Very nice!

[Strychnine]

The birth certificate thing is nothing more than propaganda started by an internet blogger. Forwarded emails for the loss.

Ignore number 3, we'll say he was legitimately born in the US...what about these other issues?


1.)
In and about 1967, Senator Obama moved to Indonesia, took the last name of his stepfather, Soetoro, and went by the name Barry Soetoro. In original legal action filed by Mr. Berg, he presented Senator Obama’s school registration, showing him registered as Barry Soetoro, Citizenship-Indonesian, Religion Islam, signed by L. Soetoro. From 1945, Indonesia has not allowed dual citizenship and, therefore, Ms. Dunham-Obama-Soetoro, Senator Obama’s mother, had to relinquish her son’s citizenship in order to obtain Indonesian citizenship for him, which would make him ineligible to become a United States President. Additionally, the United States could not allow dual citizenship with Indonesia at that time, as Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship, and it was prohibited by the Hague Convention of 1930, as interfering with the internal affairs of another sovereign Country.


2.)
In addition, upon return to the United States in and around 1971-1972, Senator Obama would have been required to go to the then current immigration procedures to regain his U.S. citizenship. There is no record of him ever doing that. Even if he had done so, he would be considered a naturalized citizen and not a “natural born” citizen.


3.)
Additionally, assuming Senator Obama was born in what is now Kenya, at the time of Senator Obama’s birth in 1961, (now) Kenya was the British Protectorate of Zanzibar and Senator Obama was automatically accorded a form of British citizenship under Section 32(1) of the British Nationality Act of 1948, effective date January 28, 1949, based on his father’s citizenship.


4.)
Finally, in 1981, Senator Obama traveled to Pakistan, when there was a ban for U.S. citizens to travel to Pakistan. The only logical possibility for him to do so was by using one of his other passports: Indonesian, Kenyan, or British.

[Blackedout01gt]

You are either a.) one smart dude or b.) you do a lot of research. Either way that was very interesting.

This is the exact thing I am talking about. I bet if you supplied the Supreme Court with that it would be blown off as well. Fucking Obama should do commercials for Teflon.

[Strychnine]

You are either a.) one smart dude or b.) you do a lot of research. Either way that was very interesting.

This is the exact thing I am talking about. I bet if you supplied the Supreme Court with that it would be blown off as well. Fucking Obama should do commercials for Teflon.

Wanna hear something funny (or depressing) ?


Those 4 points were taken word for word from the suit filed by Alan Keyes... yet no one seems to care :confused:


Read through it. It's quite interesting.

Petition for Writ of Mandate (http://www.soundinvestments.us/files/final_writ_keyes_v_bowen.pdf)


Some other fun parts of that document:


Heretofore, only a signed statement from the candidate attesting to his or her meeting those qualifications was requested and received by SOS, with no verification demanded. This practice represents a much lower standard than that demanded of one when requesting a California driver’s license.
Senator Obama’s citizenship status has been, and is being, challenged in 17 different legal actions in various federal and state courts,
Additionally, when Mr. Berg served subpoenas on the hospitals mentioned above, Senator Obama refused to sign a consent form that would allow the hospitals to release any of his information. Instead, Senator Obama has hired three law firms to defend himself, and has challenged the action by Mr. Berg on a technicality, claiming that an ordinary citizen does not have standing to bring the suit. This matter is currently being reviewed by the U.S. Supreme Court.

The parties in this case have standing to bring this litigation, due to the fact that Dr. Keyes and Dr. Drake, Sr., are candidates on the California ballot for President and Vice President of the United States, and Mr. Robinson is an Elector for the Keyes-Drake ticket, and Vice Chairman of America’s Independent Party, of Fenton, Michigan, which nominated Dr. Keyes for President. He is also a Chairman of the American Independent Party (California), which nominated Dr. Keyes and Dr. Drake for President and Vice President, respectively.

[forever_frost]

I've read the cases several times. Odd that the Supreme Court won't touch it....Again, goes back to Obama being Teflon

[Shaithis]

I've read the cases several times. Odd that the Supreme Court won't touch it....Again, goes back to Obama being Teflon

I wish they would look it over, but in thier defense, its not thier job to validate his birth cert. The board of elections, (can't remember thier specific title/name) are the ones who are supposed to validate and squash all of this BEFORE the election. A few articles on this have surfaced, and then disappeared just as fast.

[Goose1]

Obama is no different than any other crooked politician thats came to office, i dont know why you guy's are so pissy about him.

[forever_frost]

Because the media won't touch anything about him unless it's good. Instead of grilling him on his associations or what his plan is for Iraq or the economy, they asked what kind of dog he's getting his kids..... Journalism at it's best

[ceyko]

Why would you say there is no chance of victory? Please explain.


Better yet, how can anyone say there is not victory as of this time? Last I saw Saddam was swinging by his neck after being found in the ground like a worm.

On top of that, we've been over there killing terrorists like they are going out of style. Albeit at the cost of American lives and money.

Terrorists getting whacked there as opposed here saves lives most likely in the long run. (another 9/11 would be massive body/dollar count as well as success for the terrorists - and they do something over and over again.)

Anyone who thinks we've not done a good job or had victory is an idiot, listens to mainstream meda too much (US enemy #1 IMO) or a terrorist sympathizer. If we would've just stood back and done nothing after 9/11 it would have gotten progressively worst in our backyards.

People need to listen less to the media and more to people who...

1. Been there...etc.
2. Cover stories from the other side of the main stream media.
3. At least have some experience in hostile places and terrorists.

But ya know. At the end of the day, if Bush did nothing I'm sure that would've played out real well too. I mean hell, that's what we did for years before and 9/11 should've just been absorbed as well.

[Denny]

What the public doesn't realize is that "Victory" has been claimed several times since we've been out there. Goals have been set and acomplished several times. We just keep adding to our lists.

[Hass]

What the public doesn't realize is that "Victory" has been claimed several times since we've been out there. Goals have been set and acomplished several times. We just keep adding to our lists.

You mean that we're not there just to steal the oil?????


:p