Bush Dodges Shoes Thrown by Iraqi Journalist

[5.0LiterRiceEater]

good dodge :D

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[White trash wagon]

Hey, Bush is quick and can move! Good for W! I hope that "journalist" never works in that field again.

[scootro]

Hey, Bush is quick and can move! Good for W! I hope that "journalist" never works in that field again.screw bush


should of threw his car keys at that fucker!!! :eek:

[kangol]

That reporter now has no sole.

[thesource]

WTF ???? At least it was some shoes and nothing more serious . I would not want to be her right about now .

[fast83]

find out what journalist this was,i want to donate some $$$ to his ass.

that made my day!! llol :D

[5.0LiterRiceEater]

find out what journalist this was,i want to donate some $$$ to his ass.

that made my day!! llol :D

He is probably being cained right about now and rightfully so.

[95snake]

Bush has ninja skills!Most likely she will be hung now :D

[FreightTrain]

I'm still trying to figure out how come the secret service didn't pounce on that fucker right away. I mean the guy threw two shoes at the President and I still didn't see anyone running to take him out. Thank god he wasn't shooting a gun or throwing knives.

[scootro]

find out what journalist this was,i want to donate some $$$ to his ass.

that made my day!! llol :D

BAGHDAD -- An Iraqi television reporter hurled two shoes at President Bush -- one after another -- as he held a news conference Sunday with Iraq Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.

The president -- who dodged both shoes -- was not hurt during the incident.

White House Press Secretary Dana Perino, however, was hit in the eye with a microphone as security guards scrambled to restrain the man, later identified as Muntadar al-Zeidi, a correspondent for Al-Baghdadiya television -- an Iraqi-owned station based in Cairo, Egypt.

As al-Zeidi threw the first shoe at Bush, he shouted, "This shoe is for goodbye!" He then yelled, "You dog. You killed Iraqis," as he was tackled to the ground.

Neither leader was hit. In Iraqi culture, throwing shoes at someone is a sign of contempt; Iraqis whacked a statue of Saddam Hussein with their shoes after U.S. Marines toppled it to the ground in 2003.

"All I can report," Bush joked of the incident, "is a size 10."

Al-Baghdadiya television later released a statement, demanding the immediate release of reporter Muntadar al-Zeidi, who was detained following the incident. The television network said al-Zeidi threw the shoes at Bush "in accordance with the new era of freedom of speech and democracy that the U.S has promised the Iraqi people."

[95snake]

I'm still trying to figure out how come the secret service didn't pounce on that fucker right away. I mean the guy threw two shoes at the President and I still didn't see anyone running to take him out. Thank god he wasn't shooting a gun or throwing knives.
x2 wtf? If I were in the SS I would have been whoopin some Iraq ass, throw crap at my President.

[White trash wagon]

screw bush


should of threw his car keys at that fucker!!! :eek:

I'm not a Bush fan either, but the office carries a dignity that whoever occupies it is due. And WFT does throwing a shoe accomplish except getting your ass thrown is jail?

[scootro]

I'm not a Bush fan either, but the office carries a dignity that whoever occupies it is due. And WFT does throwing a shoe accomplish except getting your ass thrown is jail?i see what your saying but bush had it coming for a long time! i guess better later than never

[fast83]

i see what your saying but bush had it coming for a long time! i guess better later than never


to say the least

im suprised bush didnt pounce him hiself.i sure would've.

[BP]

He is probably being cained right about now and rightfully so.

On a really slow boat to Gitmo.

[Slowhand]

I'm surprised that he hasn't already been hired by CNN.

[5.0LiterRiceEater]

On a really slow boat to Gitmo.

Oh Gitmo, i love that place, smells live Curry and BO.

[sc281_99-0135]

I'm surprised that he hasn't already been hired by CNN.



hes taking rick sanchezs place.


rick sanchez clearly doesnt have enough contempt for bush.

he only made quibs about bush having cooties.

now THIS GUY. THIS is cnn's new iraqi correspondent.

BTW people. before you start burning bush pictures, ask yourself if you couldve done a better job given all the fucked up shit that went on over the past 8 years.

i would not want to have been in his shoes during all thats happened.

[stinginstang]

The television network said al-Zeidi threw the shoes at Bush "in accordance with the new era of freedom of speech and democracy that the U.S has promised the Iraqi people."

There is still work to be done - they don't know the difference between assault and freedon of speach :confused:

[jlyon]

LMAO!!! i wish he would have gotten hit, but where were the SS? that guy shouldn't have gotten the second shoe off

[talisman]

Pretty good reflexes for an old guy. Would have been giggle inducing though if his "legacy" ended up being a loafer bouncing off his dome.

[Mustangman_2000]

He's got the reflexes of a cat. I'm impressed.

However, I find it disturbing at the total lack of response by the secret service. That was a little bizarre to be quite honest.

Nobody reacted after the first shoe was thrown. And it was the Iraqi's that jumped the guy. Can anyone explain that?

[Sean88gt]

That reporter now has no sole.
LMFAO!!!

[Bubbaearl]

i hope they hang the stupid rag head . like him or not he is the president of the most powerful nation on the planet . seems to be a lack of respect for the office now days. i dont like obama but he is the president of the united states of america .

[Brad88gt]

I thought the SS was supposed to be ready to take a bullet for the President..


I expected to see one of the secret service guys jumping in front of G-dub and taking the shoe for him (in slow mo instant replay of course).

I was so dissapointed :(

[Paladin]

Anyone else realize that if the same guy had thrown his shoes at Saddam he would have probably have been killed within minutes yet he thinks it is okay to throw them at the guy who made his journalist ass free to write stories and do things Saddam would never allow?

You guys wishing our President would get hit by shoes should be ashamed.

[STANGGT40]

He's got the reflexes of a cat. I'm impressed.

However, I find it disturbing at the total lack of response by the secret service. That was a little bizarre to be quite honest.

Nobody reacted after the first shoe was thrown. And it was the Iraqi's that jumped the guy. Can anyone explain that?

i'm with ya...i can't believe that he was actually able to get to the 2nd shoe before being slammed to the ground. the secret service guys looked like they didn't know what to do. bush did have some good reflexes, though. i replayed it a few times last night and couldn't believe how fast he moved...he must've played a lot of dodge ball as a kid or something.:D

[Hmbre97]

Who throws a shoe? Honestly...

[White trash wagon]

Anyone else realize that if the same guy had thrown his shoes at Saddam he would have probably have been killed within minutes yet he thinks it is okay to throw them at the guy who made his journalist ass free to write stories and do things Saddam would never allow?

You guys wishing our President would get hit by shoes should be ashamed.

Agreed

On a different note, apparently in Iraqi society having shoes thrown at you is a supreme insult...like being shot the bird here.

The lack of security was shocking...what if that had been a hand grenade?

[Paladin]

i'm with ya...i can't believe that he was actually able to get to the 2nd shoe before being slammed to the ground. the secret service guys looked like they didn't know what to do. bush did have some good reflexes, though. i replayed it a few times last night and couldn't believe how fast he moved...he must've played a lot of dodge ball as a kid or something.:D

The retired SS guy that commented last night said that journalists who have been through heavy security screenings are not thought of as a big threat, hence the slow response to get to the guy. It makes sense to me.

[Paladin]

Agreed

On a different note, apparently in Iraqi society having shoes thrown at you is a supreme insult...like being shot the bird here.

The lack of security was shocking...what if that had been a hand grenade?

I don't know that much about their culture, but throwing shoes reminds me of what trailer park chicks do on the Springer show. LOL

Anyone know what that "insult" stems from? I can only imagine where it comes from knowing that they wipe their ass with their left hand. LOL

[White trash wagon]

I don't know that much about their culture, but throwing shoes reminds of what trailer park chicks do on the Springer show. LOL

They explained that on ABC news last night. They showed footage of Iraqis beating statues of Sadam Hussein with their shoes after US Forces took over. It's a huge insult in thier culture.

[Paladin]

They explained that on ABC news last night. They showed footage of Iraqis beating statues of Sadam Hussein with their shoes after US Forces took over. It's a huge insult in thier culture.

Anyone have knwoledge of the origin of this huge insult?

[MachX2]

i see what your saying but bush had it coming for a long time! i guess better later than never


And most americans are hipocrits. Twin towers get attacked, we ask for war. Bush gives it to us. Bush wants to finish what we started everyone gets mad. Which do you want war or peace? Are you guys whining about bush over there fighting?

[STANGGT40]

I don't know that much about their culture, but throwing shoes reminds me of what trailer park chicks do on the Springer show. LOL

Anyone know what that "insult" stems from? I can only imagine where it comes from knowing that they wipe their ass with their left hand. LOL

i wonder if the guy got the idea from the guy on austin powers that throws his shoe...:D it didn't work out that well in that movie either, from what i remember!

[White trash wagon]

And most americans are hipocrits. Twin towers get attacked, we ask for war. Bush gives it to us. Bush wants to finish what we started everyone gets mad. Which do you want war or peace? Are you guys whining about bush over there fighting?

Yes, it is interesting to see folks who a year ago were Bush supporters, now jumping on the Bush bashing wagon. Bush is though, move forward. I didn't like Bush's policies, but I respected him as a man, who wasn't afraid to do what he thought was right (even if he was in error). Bush was steadfast, reliable and loved his country, if nothing else.

Scott

[MachX2]

Yes, it is interesting to see folks who a year ago were Bush supporters, now jumping on the Bush bashing wagon. Bush is though, move forward. I didn't like Bush's policies, but I respected him as a man, who wasn't afraid to do what he thought was right (even if he was in error). Bush was steadfast, reliable and loved his country, if nothing else.

Scott


Agreed, everyone is quick to blame the president for the economy.. Doesn't make sense to me. A ton of companies blew this economy. Don't know how the president caused people to lose their houses. :confused:

[VETTKLR]

Agreed, everyone is quick to blame the president for the economy.. Doesn't make sense to me. A ton of companies blew this economy. Don't know how the president caused people to lose their houses. :confused:

Yeah...me either...

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[minitubbedlx]

i hope they hang the stupid rag head . like him or not he is the president of the most powerful nation on the planet . seems to be a lack of respect for the office now days. i dont like obama but he is the president of the united states of america .
I agree With YOu!!! people have no respect :mad:

[minitubbedlx]

How the bail out works:

Young Chuck moved to Texas and bought a Donkey from a farmer for $100.00. The farmer agreed to deliver the Donkey the next day.

The next day he drove up and said, 'Sorry son, but I have some bad News, the donkey died.'
Chuck replied, 'Well, then just give me my money back.'
The farmer said, 'Can't do that.. I went and spent it already.'
Chuck said, 'Ok, then, just bring me the dead donkey.'
The farmer asked,'What ya gonna do with him? Chuck said, 'I'm going to raffle him off..'

The farmer said "you can't raffle off a dead donkey!" Chuck said, "Sure I can Watch me. I just won't tell anybody he's dead.

A month later, the farmer met up with Chuck and asked, 'What happened with that dead donkey? 'Chuck said, 'I raffled him off. I sold 500 tickets at two dollars a piece and made a profit of $998. 'The farmer said, "Didn't anyone complain? Chuck said, "Just the guy who won. So I gave him his two dollars back".

Chuck now works for the Federal Reserve.

[RiceStang]

Yeah...me either...

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Yeah, but things of that sort weren't emphsized because it came from a Bush White House.

They're gonna let Obama get the credit when the financial crisis ends. (or if it does in his 4 years in office.....)

Brainwashed idiotic american imbeciles I tell ya.

Texas Secede!

[thesource]

How the bail out works:

Young Chuck moved to Texas and bought a Donkey from a farmer for $100.00. The farmer agreed to deliver the Donkey the next day.

The next day he drove up and said, 'Sorry son, but I have some bad News, the donkey died.'
Chuck replied, 'Well, then just give me my money back.'
The farmer said, 'Can't do that.. I went and spent it already.'
Chuck said, 'Ok, then, just bring me the dead donkey.'
The farmer asked,'What ya gonna do with him? Chuck said, 'I'm going to raffle him off..'

The farmer said "you can't raffle off a dead donkey!" Chuck said, "Sure I can Watch me. I just won't tell anybody he's dead.

A month later, the farmer met up with Chuck and asked, 'What happened with that dead donkey? 'Chuck said, 'I raffled him off. I sold 500 tickets at two dollars a piece and made a profit of $998. 'The farmer said, "Didn't anyone complain? Chuck said, "Just the guy who won. So I gave him his two dollars back".

Chuck now works for the Federal Reserve.

Thats a good one .....

[gpamp]

Afterward, Bush gave an interview to Martha Raddatz, where he said this:

Bush: This [Iraq] is where Al Qaeda was hoping to take …

Raddatz: But not until after the U.S. invaded.

Bush: Yeah, that’s right. So what?

That being said... he just admitted that al Qaeda was in Iraq, because we're still there. When the reporter hurled his 2nd shoe, he said "this is for the widows..." etc. He wasn't talking about any innocents we might've killed, directly. But if al Qaeda has killed any innocents in their country in the last 3 years, in their mind, it's partly our fault. It's easy to not look at it from their point of view and yell "towel heads!". But another thing all together to have an understanding of their feelings toward the matter.

That reporter was expressing a view that a lot of Iraqi's hold, and we'll see this demonstrated with marches, protests, etc. in the next few days.

[mustangguy289]

If this happens to Obama it will be classified as a hate crime!

[Paladin]

Afterward, Bush gave an interview to Martha Raddatz, where he said this:

Bush: This [Iraq] is where Al Qaeda was hoping to take …

Raddatz: But not until after the U.S. invaded.

Bush: Yeah, that’s right. So what?

That being said... he just admitted that al Qaeda was in Iraq, because we're still there. When the reporter hurled his 2nd shoe, he said "this is for the widows..." etc. He wasn't talking about any innocents we might've killed, directly. But if al Qaeda has killed any innocents in their country in the last 3 years, in their mind, it's partly our fault. It's easy to not look at it from their point of view and yell "towel heads!". But another thing all together to have an understanding of their feelings toward the matter.

That reporter was expressing a view that a lot of Iraqi's hold, and we'll see this demonstrated with marches, protests, etc. in the next few days.

How many Iraqi's have you spoken with to say that a lot of Iraqi's hold your view of your country and Bush?

BTW, if we weren't fighting Al Quaeda in Iraq, where would they be? Maybe planning attacks on us from a country that would harbor them? Nah, no country would do that, right?

[mustangguy289]

That reporter was expressing a view that a lot of Iraqi's hold, and we'll see this demonstrated with marches, protests, etc. in the next few days.


Maybe you should watch closer. When I saw it on the news I saw quite a few of the other IRAQI reporters tackle the guy throwing the shoes.

[Paladin]

Maybe you should watch closer. When I saw it on the news I saw quite a few of the other IRAQI reporters tackle the guy throwing the shoes.

If you read between the lines gpamp is saying that he agrees with this one idiot and therefore there are alot of people that agree with him. He does not know how extreme his views of America are. He also thinks a 30% approval rating for Bush equates to 70% deep hate like he has. He is such a funny little guy!

[Skidmark]

That reporter now has no sole.

Good one! hahaha

[Mustangman_2000]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081216/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iraq

[gpamp]

How many Iraqi's have you spoken with to say that a lot of Iraqi's hold your view of your country and Bush?
Mostly because there have already been marches and protests on his behalf.

BTW, if we weren't fighting Al Quaeda in Iraq, where would they be? Maybe planning attacks on us from a country that would harbor them? Nah, no country would do that, right?
They were in Afgahnistan. We should've fought them there. By focusing on Iraq, based on bad intelligence that the rest of the world was screaming "this is bad intelligence", we lured Al Qaeda into Iraq, where suicide blasts are now frequent. It would be like sending 2 pit bulls over to your grandmas house and letting them fight in her living room without her permission. Then thinking she's an idiot for being mad at you for messing her living room up and killing her cat.

[Paladin]

Mostly because there have already been marches and protests on his behalf.

Where did you see stories about these marches? So if people protest about Obama being elected, can I say that a majority of Americans are unhappy baout him being elected? I mean, I saw on a very conservative show that people are protesting Obama being elected. :rolleyes:

They were in Afgahnistan. We should've fought them there. By focusing on Iraq, based on bad intelligence that the rest of the world was screaming "this is bad intelligence", we lured Al Qaeda into Iraq, where suicide blasts are now frequent. It would be like sending 2 pit bulls over to your grandmas house and letting them fight in her living room without her permission. Then thinking she's an idiot for being mad at you for messing her living room up and killing her cat.


I love your revisionist history with this little tidbit: "...based on bad intelligence that the rest of the world was screaming "this is bad intelligence","
I also love how you phrase this like we are the bad guys and poor old Al Quareda the unwitting victim of our ruse: "...we lured Al Qaeda into Iraq..."

Why didn't these Iraqi's protest Saddam when he was killing them and using chemical weapons on his countrymen? Why didn't he throw shoes at Saddam or his minions who threw out real lies? Where was this outrage from you if you are so concerned about the Iraqi's all of a sudden?

You seem to actually hate America with your typical liberal beliefs. How is America the bad guy in this? What about President Bush saving him and his countryment from Saddam and the years of torture he and his sons did to them and their women? Where was your outrage at them? How come your outrage gets really focused upon a person and country that has done so much good around the world? How can you live and breathe in a country that you believe is capable of such evil?

Do you think Bush has done more good than bad? Do you think America has done more good than bad?

Do you know what President has done more for Africa and their dire needs than any other in history?

I predict you will not answer any of these questions honestly and straight up.

[gpamp]

Where did you see stories about these marches? So if people protest about Obama being elected, can I say that a majority of Americans are unhappy baout him being elected? I mean, I saw on a very conservative show that people are protesting Obama being elected. :rolleyes:
Really? It's all over the news. Google it. I've heard it on every news station on the dial.
I love your revisionist history with this little tidbit: "...based on bad intelligence that the rest of the world was screaming "this is bad intelligence","
I also love how you phrase this like we are the bad guys and poor old Al Quareda the unwitting victim of our ruse: "...we lured Al Qaeda into Iraq..."
You missed the mark. Number one, the revisionist is the one who's doing a world tour trying to get everyone to acknowledge that he wasn't such a bad president after all. Secondly, I NEVER made al Qaeda the victim. If you see it that way, then you're comprehension is off. The victims in my post, were the Iraqi civilions cought in a crossfire between al Qaeda and the U.S., both of which weren't in their country 8 years ago.

Why didn't these Iraqi's protest Saddam when he was killing them and using chemical weapons on his countrymen? Why didn't he throw shoes at Saddam or his minions who threw out real lies? Where was this outrage from you if you are so concerned about the Iraqi's all of a sudden?
Well, they did. Don't you remember? The Marines toppled the Saddam statue, and a bunch of citizens were slamming it with their shoes. It's an insult. Same with his posters. They weren't throwing shoes at him personally, because he'd probably have them killed. Saddam, however, is not the argument here.

You seem to actually hate America with your typical liberal beliefs. How is America the bad guy in this? What about President Bush saving him and his countryment from Saddam and the years of torture he and his sons did to them and their women? Where was your outrage at them? How come your outrage gets really focused upon a person and country that has done so much good around the world? How can you live and breathe in a country that you believe is capable of such evil?
There it is! You have to say I hate America, because you can't come to term with the fact that the guy you've supported for 8 years is worse than Nixon. I love America Paladin. Just because you can't fathom that your party isn't always correct, doesn't mean I hate it. Get over yourself.

And the reporter (I'm assuming that's who you're talking about when you say "...him and his countrymen..."), was he actually tortured by Saddam? I know he was held by the U.S. troops for a while. But I didn't think he was tortured by Saddam. Making that up?

Do you think Bush has done more good than bad?No. Do you think America has done more good than bad?Doesn't make sense. Of course America has done more good than bad. I did some good, just today. I am America. America, for the past 8 years, however, has had a leader who has tried to steer it in a negative direction, but I think she'll pull through.

Do you know what President has done more for Africa and their dire needs than any other in history?Is that the talking point today? "Remind everyone what Bush did for Africa. Maybe THEN they'll forget everything else".

I predict you will not answer any of these questions honestly and straight up.I predict you will never truly respond to anything, anyway, and follow up with more questions to deflect the fact that you don't have a point.

[Denny]

http://www.iraqupdates.com/p_articles.php/article/41791/refid/RSS-latest-17-12-2008

[gpamp]

http://www.iraqupdates.com/p_articles.php/article/41791/refid/RSS-latest-17-12-2008
Come on, now. I'm pretty sure the Iraqi officials that we helped install don't speak for the majority of the people. Over 50% of America elected W in 2004, but apparently only 29% approve of him, speaking for them now. (the only ones with a lower approval rating are the Republicans in Congress. http://www.gallup.com/poll/113449/Republicans-Congress-Less-Popular-Than-Bush.aspx)

[Paladin]

Really? It's all over the news. Google it. I've heard it on every news station on the dial.

I know different news sources are reporting it differently. I asked what source you had, not if it actually happened.

The liberal news outlets you have seen are surely making this seem as though millions of Iraqi's have started rioting. Hell, Keith Olberman was just giddy over this. The source matters, thanks for dodging the question, acting like you didn't understand it, and deflecting to make my point for me.

You missed the mark. Number one, the revisionist is the one who's doing a world tour trying to get everyone to acknowledge that he wasn't such a bad president after all. Secondly, I NEVER made al Qaeda the victim. If you see it that way, then you're comprehension is off. The victims in my post, were the Iraqi civilions cought in a crossfire between al Qaeda and the U.S., both of which weren't in their country 8 years ago.

Take off the Bush hating goggles and stop watching MSNBC, going to moveon.org, and the dailykos and taking it like it is the truth. To make the innocent Iraqi's the victim and blame America is standard liberal hate stuff. You see only the bad, that Iraqi's lost their lives, and never acknowledge any good, that they are no longer being killed or tortured by Saddam like millions of them were before we came.

This is all part of the liberal message where you try and sublty blame America for bad things and never give any credit for anthing good. It is why alot of people think you extreme hate-filled liberals despise this country. I have no doubt you would love it if we took your secular progressive agenda and embraced it instead of the traditional country the majority wants, but that won't happen anytme soon. Just ask the secular progressives in California about that, right?

Well, they did. Don't you remember? The Marines toppled the Saddam statue, and a bunch of citizens were slamming it with their shoes. It's an insult. Same with his posters. They weren't throwing shoes at him personally, because he'd probably have them killed. Saddam, however, is not the argument here.

You once again dodged the point because it made you uncomfortable, right? You ignore my point that Saddam was torturing his people before we attacked, and only after we came in would they ever throw a shoe at Saddam or a world leader.

Surely you will acknowledge that would never have happened before Bush and America made them free, right? I bet the irony of it all, having a reporter throw his shoe at Bush who gave him the freedom to do so, is not lost on you, right? I doubt you heard that point made on your left wing hate sites, huh?

There it is! You have to say I hate America, because you can't come to term with the fact that the guy you've supported for 8 years is worse than Nixon. I love America Paladin. Just because you can't fathom that your party isn't always correct, doesn't mean I hate it. Get over yourself.

I have shown how you extreme left wing fanatics hate America. You will call your vile hate-filled speech dissent, but it is just a mask for your hate. I do think you will once again fall in love with the country once your party is in control, which is just my point. You liberals want your ideas to be the way the country is headed, and if it's not your secular progresive agenda, then the country is bad.

I can't wait until America makes a mistake or does something negative (inevitable no matter who is in office, right?) once Obama is in office and I see you defend him and the country. I will be here to call your hypocritical ass when you do, that is for sure.

And the reporter (I'm assuming that's who you're talking about when you say "...him and his countrymen..."), was he actually tortured by Saddam? I know he was held by the U.S. troops for a while. But I didn't think he was tortured by Saddam. Making that up?

Your reading comprehension sure goes out the window when it is convenient for a dodge of the point, doesn't it? What part of "and his countrymen" did you not understand? Can you acknowledge that Saddam was an evil dictator that tortured and used chemical weapons on his people before Bush toppled him and his vile regime?

No.

Just another example of your hate. You can see all things Bush did as bad and nothing good.

Doesn't make sense. Of course America has done more good than bad. I did some good, just today. I am America. America, for the past 8 years, however, has had a leader who has tried to steer it in a negative direction, but I think she'll pull through.

So does Bush get any credit for the good things our country has done the past 8 years? Des he get blame for everything bad? Will Obama get credit for all good things once he gets in office? Will Obama get responsibility for all the bad like you gave Bush?

Can you name three major good things Bush has done? I can come up with good things and bad things despite your claim that I love Bush and see no bad.

I claim you cannot see anything good, even though there is plenty to see if you were objective and decent. You may try now that I have called you on it, but I still doubt it.

Is that the talking point today? "Remind everyone what Bush did for Africa. Maybe THEN they'll forget everything else".

It needs doing since you have decided Bush has not done any good. He gets no credit for protecting us from terror attacks, 7 1/2 years of prosperity even though he had to deal with the 9/11 aftermath and it's affect on the economy (Clinton sure is thought of as having a good economy even though it declined at the end of his term, right?), his bringing honor and decency back to the brothel that Clinton left in the Oval Office, etc.

I predict you will never truly respond to anything, anyway, and follow up with more questions to deflect the fact that you don't have a point.

I have responded to everything and you keep delefecting and trying to switch topics and then have the nerve to claim I do it? How typically hypocritical and dishonorbale you still are. Once again you reach a new low with your lying.

[Paladin]

Come on, now. I'm pretty sure the Iraqi officials that we helped install don't speak for the majority of the people. Over 50% of America elected W in 2004, but apparently only 29% approve of him, speaking for them now. (the only ones with a lower approval rating are the Republicans in Congress. http://www.gallup.com/poll/113449/Republicans-Congress-Less-Popular-Than-Bush.aspx)

You can't even acknowledge that a person throwing things at Bush was shameful, can you?

There are those who have claimed that if the same thing happened to Obama someone would claim it was a hate crime (I am looking at gpamp). I bet you would not be basking in the glow of it happeneing to Obama, would you?

BTW, I really don't care that the shoe throwing is some major insult in his culture. It isn't that long ago his people were wiping their ass with their hand.

[gpamp]

You can't even acknowledge that a person throwing things at Bush was shameful, can you?

There are those who have claimed that if the same thing happened to Obama someone would claim it was a hate crime (I am looking at gpamp). I bet you would not be basking in the glow of it happeneing to Obama, would you?

BTW, I really don't care that the shoe throwing is some major insult in his culture. It isn't that long ago his people were wiping their ass with their hand.
It wouldn't have happened to Obama, because he didn't make the decision to occupy Iraq that Bush did. Your "point" is moot.

[AL P]

It wouldn't have happened to Obama, because he didn't make the decision to occupy Iraq that Bush did. Your "point" is moot.

Wait wait wait. January 20th is coming very soon and it looks like the troops are still going to be in Iraq.

So yes, unless by some miracle the troops are back home, Obama HAS made the decision to occupy Iraq.

[gpamp]

I know different news sources are reporting it differently. I asked what source you had, not if it actually happened.

The liberal news outlets you have seen are surely making this seem as though millions of Iraqi's have started rioting. Hell, Keith Olberman was just giddy over this. The source matters, thanks for dodging the question, acting like you didn't understand it, and deflecting to make my point for me.
Dude, usually I get news from 1080 AM. If you listen to that station, you'll find more right-leaning opinions than left.

Take off the Bush hating goggles and stop watching MSNBC, going to moveon.org, and the dailykos and taking it like it is the truth. To make the innocent Iraqi's the victim and blame America is standard liberal hate stuff. You see only the bad, that Iraqi's lost their lives, and never acknowledge any good, that they are no longer being killed or tortured by Saddam like millions of them were before we came.

This is all part of the liberal message where you try and sublty blame America for bad things and never give any credit for anthing good. It is why alot of people think you extreme hate-filled liberals despise this country. I have no doubt you would love it if we took your secular progressive agenda and embraced it instead of the traditional country the majority wants, but that won't happen anytme soon. Just ask the secular progressives in California about that, right?
Your defense for Bush cannot be "You hate Bush". All of us who disagree with Bush's policies give reasons why we don't like it. You just assume, by saying that I hate Bush. Get a real/new argument.

And btw, I'm not blaming America for whatever you're trying to say I'm blaming America for. I'm blaming the Bush ADMINISTRATION. So, keep trying to spoon words in my mouth, because that's the ONLY way you'll win an argument when you're trying to defend the Bush administration.
You once again dodged the point because it made you uncomfortable, right? You ignore my point that Saddam was torturing his people before we attacked, and only after we came in would they ever throw a shoe at Saddam or a world leader.

Surely you will acknowledge that would never have happened before Bush and America made them free, right? I bet the irony of it all, having a reporter throw his shoe at Bush who gave him the freedom to do so, is not lost on you, right? I doubt you heard that point made on your left wing hate sites, huh?
So... Saddam was torturing his people (all of them?), so now we do (according to Cheney's interview yesterday)? Bush did not make them free. If he did, by the way... how come when I say "Bush is the reason Al Qaeda is in Iraq", you say I'm blaming America. But when you want to say that 'America freed the Iraqis', you say "Bush freed the Iraqis". It's like you pick & choose meanings when you're defending your god. Bush did NOT make them free. He introduced chaos to their country, after taking down a tyrant.
I have shown how you extreme left wing fanatics hate America. You will call your vile hate-filled speech dissent, but it is just a mask for your hate. I do think you will once again fall in love with the country once your party is in control, which is just my point. You liberals want your ideas to be the way the country is headed, and if it's not your secular progresive agenda, then the country is bad.

I can't wait until America makes a mistake or does something negative (inevitable no matter who is in office, right?) once Obama is in office and I see you defend him and the country. I will be here to call your hypocritical ass when you do, that is for sure.
Your hatred for Obama screams "I hate the U.S.A.!!" Why do you hate America, Paladin? Is it the Constitution? Freedom? What do you hate so much about America? (I'm using your faulty logic) GET A NEW ARGUMENT. No one in this forum hates America. (except you)



Your reading comprehension sure goes out the window when it is convenient for a dodge of the point, doesn't it? What part of "and his countrymen" did you not understand? Can you acknowledge that Saddam was an evil dictator that tortured and used chemical weapons on his people before Bush toppled him and his vile regime?
Your hypocrisy sure goes up in stock when you are defending every single decision Bush has made.


Just another example of your hate. You can see all things Bush did as bad and nothing good.
New argument. Proove to me that I hate Bush. Seriously. Get in my head and find the truth. I realize you hate America. But I can't prove it.



So does Bush get any credit for the good things our country has done the past 8 years? Des he get blame for everything bad? Will Obama get credit for all good things once he gets in office? Will Obama get responsibility for all the bad like you gave Bush?

Can you name three major good things Bush has done? I can come up with good things and bad things despite your claim that I love Bush and see no bad.

I claim you cannot see anything good, even though there is plenty to see if you were objective and decent. You may try now that I have called you on it, but I still doubt it.
I am so bored with your hatred of my country.



It needs doing since you have decided Bush has not done any good. He gets no credit for protecting us from terror attacks, 7 1/2 years of prosperity even though he had to deal with the 9/11 aftermath and it's affect on the economy (Clinton sure is thought of as having a good economy even though it declined at the end of his term, right?), his bringing honor and decency back to the brothel that Clinton left in the Oval Office, etc.



I have responded to everything and you keep delefecting and trying to switch topics and then have the nerve to claim I do it? How typically hypocritical and dishonorbale you still are. Once again you reach a new low with your lying.[/QUOTE]

[gpamp]

Wait wait wait. January 20th is coming very soon and it looks like the troops are still going to be in Iraq.

So yes, unless by some miracle the troops are back home, Obama HAS made the decision to occupy Iraq.
He said 16th months. And it looks like the new Forces agreement has them out of the country as well.

[AL P]

He said 16th months. And it looks like the new Forces agreement has them out of the country as well.

Has he or has he not made the decision to occupy Iraq? 16 months means the troops are still there.

Don't worry the Arabs hate Obama already because they say he is not a true "Hussein". They already know what the voters in the US are only just now realizing, which is the fact that he is not all that much different from what he replaces.

[Mustangman_2000]

It wouldn't have happened to Obama, because he didn't make the decision to occupy Iraq that Bush did. Your "point" is moot.

You are engaging in shear speculation. You have no idea what Obama would have done given the exact same set of circumstances. Do you remember how emotionally charged the climate was a year to two after 9/11? He may have been more resistant to the idea, but you can't say absolutely what he would have done. He's not having to make those decisions in real time. He's getting to analyze those decisions from the outside looking in and with the benefit of the passage of time.

And keep in mind that you're talking about the same Obama that is under criticism from his leftist base for appointing centrist to center right cabinet members. The only true progressive is the guy from Illinois he recently appointed. There is no "Change" here except for skin color and symbolism. It's going to be a Clinton 3rd term nothing more, nothing less.

I bet you anything Obama would have signed The Patriot Act in the political climate that existed in the days and months following 9/11. One of the things that really pisses off liberals like yourself.

He probably would have taken a very similar path that Bush did with some minor variations. I do agree he would have held out longer on going to war in Iraq. He probably would have been less dismissive to the UN inspection reports.

I know that thought probably makes your head explode. You and your ilk see Obama as god like and a harbinger for grand and sweeping sociopolitical change. You don't see him for the typical run of the mill say anything politician that he really is. His voting record proves that. And that he will make questionable or ugly decisions to further his career. Or say whatever needs to be said to make people think he has the pulse of the nation.

And it's pointless to debate these issues with you. You view politics with extreme liberal bias. And I mean extreme. There is no room in your views for seeing things with an open mind. You can't even agree that there was positive legislation that came out of the Bush Administration. I didn't even vote for him and I can.

That's exactly why you have to get your news from multiple sources.

[Paladin]

It wouldn't have happened to Obama, because he didn't make the decision to occupy Iraq that Bush did. Your "point" is moot.

LOL, yeah there is no way anyone would ever do something to embarass the messiah so you can't even answer the question, right? His perfection will be obvious to everyone! :rolleyes:

[Avery'sDad]

LOL

http://www.sockandawe.com/

[gpamp]

LOL, yeah there is no way anyone would ever do something to embarass the messiah so you can't even answer the question, right? His perfection will be obvious to everyone! :rolleyes:
You dodged that like Bush dodges loafers.

[gpamp]

You are engaging in shear speculation. You have no idea what Obama would have done given the exact same set of circumstances. Do you remember how emotionally charged the climate was a year to two after 9/11? He may have been more resistant to the idea, but you can't say absolutely what he would have done. He's not having to make those decisions in real time. He's getting to analyze those decisions from the outside looking in and with the benefit of the passage of time.

And keep in mind that you're talking about the same Obama that is under criticism from his leftist base for appointing centrist to center right cabinet members. The only true progressive is the guy from Illinois he recently appointed. There is no "Change" here except for skin color and symbolism. It's going to be a Clinton 3rd term nothing more, nothing less.

I bet you anything Obama would have signed The Patriot Act in the political climate that existed in the days and months following 9/11. One of the things that really pisses off liberals like yourself.

He probably would have taken a very similar path that Bush did with some minor variations. I do agree he would have held out longer on going to war in Iraq. He probably would have been less dismissive to the UN inspection reports.

I know that thought probably makes your head explode. You and your ilk see Obama as god like and a harbinger for grand and sweeping sociopolitical change. You don't see him for the typical run of the mill say anything politician that he really is. His voting record proves that. And that he will make questionable or ugly decisions to further his career. Or say whatever needs to be said to make people think he has the pulse of the nation.

And it's pointless to debate these issues with you. You view politics with extreme liberal bias. And I mean extreme. There is no room in your views for seeing things with an open mind. You can't even agree that there was positive legislation that came out of the Bush Administration. I didn't even vote for him and I can.

That's exactly why you have to get your news from multiple sources.
You started this post with "You are engaging in shear speculation.". Of course I was. Because I was responding to a post that was pure speculation. But then you go off and speculate about Obama signing the Patriot Act.

[White trash wagon]

Anyone have knwoledge of the origin of this huge insult?

Here you go:

Voting With Their Feet
What do Iraqis find so insulting about shoes and feet?
During a Sunday press conference in Baghdad, an angry Iraqi journalist hurled insults, and his shoes, at President Bush. According to the New York Times, "Hitting someone with a shoe is considered the supreme insult in Iraq." Why is that?



Because they're so dirty. The degree of insult seems to be an idiosyncratic cultural development, as opposed to one that derives from clear textual sources. There's no particular mention in the Quran or any of the Hadith of shoe-throwing or debasement of enemies by exposing them to feet. And historical origins for the tradition are not easily found. However it started, Arabs—and perhaps Iraqis in particular—throw their shoes to indicate that the target is no better than dirt.

http://www.slate.com/id/2206749/?gt1=38001

[forever_frost]

We got told anytime we speak to an Iraqi, not to let the soles of our boots show as it was a grave insult, telling them they are no better than dirt and are under us. Man should have been popped for assault on the President.

[Paladin]

You dodged that like Bush dodges loafers.

There was no question in your post I quoted dumbass. There was one to you that didn't get answered when you accused me of not answering a question where there was none though.

Did you jizz yourself when you got to use that line and not notice there was no question? lol

[Paladin]

Here you go:

Voting With Their Feet
What do Iraqis find so insulting about shoes and feet?
During a Sunday press conference in Baghdad, an angry Iraqi journalist hurled insults, and his shoes, at President Bush. According to the New York Times, "Hitting someone with a shoe is considered the supreme insult in Iraq." Why is that?



Because they're so dirty. The degree of insult seems to be an idiosyncratic cultural development, as opposed to one that derives from clear textual sources. There's no particular mention in the Quran or any of the Hadith of shoe-throwing or debasement of enemies by exposing them to feet. And historical origins for the tradition are not easily found. However it started, Arabs—and perhaps Iraqis in particular—throw their shoes to indicate that the target is no better than dirt.

http://www.slate.com/id/2206749/?gt1=38001

Do they still wipe their ass with their left hand?

[White trash wagon]

Do they still wipe their ass with their left hand?

I don't know or care. :rolleyes:

You asked for an explaination of why shoe throwing is such an insult & I found you one.

[Paladin]

I don't know or care. :rolleyes:

You asked for an explaination of why shoe throwing is such an insult & I found you one.

LOL, I was just trying to make a funny.

[Mustangman_2000]

It's becoming quite a fad.



19 December 2008 - Odessa, Ukraine:

Oleg Soskin, a member of the Ukraine-NATO Social League Coordination Council, was making a speech when he was interrupted by a journalist from one of the local TV channels, who shouted: “Students, you’re young and promising, don’t you listen to these stupid and marasmic old men!” The journalist then took off his boots and threw them at Soskin.


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[Mustangman_2000]

More shoe throwing from the psycho nut cases abroad...this time from Iran and at a effigy of President Bush while chanting "Death to America!".

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