Big 12 to reassess divisional championship tiebreaker

[94StangFiveO]

I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3739466

[Vertnut]

OU won the thing. Leave it alone. I think they (powers-that-be) did the best they could to determine who advanced. There's not a realistic argument with the way it turned out, so leave it be.

[94StangFiveO]

OU won the thing. Leave it alone. I think they (powers-that-be) did the best they could to determine who advanced. There's not a realistic argument with the way it turned out, so leave it be.
Hey go fuck off. This thread has nothing mentioned about any team or game from this year.

[Vertnut]

Hey go fuck off. This thread has nothing mentioned about any team or game from this year.
Fuck you, cockbite. :cool: If it hadn't been OU and UT, it would not have been an issue. I'm a UT fan, and even I think they should leave it alone. What's your problem?

[exlude]

Fuck you, cockbite. :cool: If it hadn't been OU and UT, it would not have been an issue. I'm a UT fan, and even I think they should leave it alone. What's your problem?

Eh, I see no problem with it. Reassessment is never a bad idea, and even the commissioner says that it needs to be approached with a level head without jumping to conclusions. The article said this.

He's right, whenever a tie arises there will always be a disappointed team(s). However, if they can think tank a better way to do it -- I'd be interested to hear it.

[94StangFiveO]

Fuck you, cockbite. :cool: If it hadn't been OU and UT, it would not have been an issue. I'm a UT fan, and even I think they should leave it alone. What's your problem?
This isn't a UT/OU thread and you try to make it one. It's about the Big 12 and yes, it's an issue no matter which team was to win it.

[screamin363]

"There is still a lot of football to be played," Beebe said. "I feel terribly for the teams that are disappointed. If you win all of your games you don't have to worry about this scenario."


Win all of your games or SFTU. Just like anything leave it to the Jury/ judge/ voters and this is what you get.

[94StangFiveO]

"There is still a lot of football to be played," Beebe said. "I feel terribly for the teams that are disappointed. If you win all of your games you don't have to worry about this scenario."


Win all of your games or SFTU. Just like anything leave it to the Jury/ judge/ voters and this is what you get.
Just like in MMA.

[Vertnut]

This isn't a UT/OU thread and you try to make it one. It's about the Big 12 and yes, it's an issue no matter which team was to win it.
So I posted a response you didn't like, and you see what your reply was? Don't start a thread if you don't want a response that just might not agree with your opinion. :cool:
If it didn't involve those two "big money", highly touted teams, it wouldn't be an issue.

[screamin363]

I just love it when OU puts Macs panties up around his head and them watches him run around completely blind.

[94StangFiveO]

So I posted a response you didn't like, and you see what your reply was? Don't start a thread if you don't want a response that just might not agree with your opinion. :cool:
If it didn't involve those two "big money", highly touted teams, it wouldn't be an issue.
I didn't state an opinion. You want to go argue/debate my opinion go jump in the other threads where I've stated them.
The reason this issue involves these teams is because none of the other conferences have this sort of tie breaker. Also, none of the other teams in the Big 12 South have ever really given the two powerhouses a good run for their money. It's just one of those years.

[exlude]

I just love it when OU puts Macs panties up around his head and them watches him run around completely blind.

OU wears Mac panties?

http://techchee.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/usernamepasswordpanties-pink.jpg

[regaltip]

OU wears Mac panties?

http://techchee.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/usernamepasswordpanties-pink.jpg

LOL!!!

[Vertnut]

I didn't state an opinion. You want to go argue/debate my opinion go jump in the other threads where I've stated them.
The reason this issue involves these teams is because none of the other conferences have this sort of tie breaker. Also, none of the other teams in the Big 12 South have ever really given the two powerhouses a good run for their money. It's just one of those years.
I didn't argue. I said leave it alone. If you didn't have an opinion, why would you care what mine is? :cool:

[94StangFiveO]

I didn't argue. I said leave it alone. If you didn't have an opinion, why would you care what mine is? :cool:
I don't.

[Pro Trash]

Hey go fuck off. This thread has nothing mentioned about any team or game from this year.


WOW, I take it you are a UT fan?

[regaltip]

Time to kiss and make up!

[94StangFiveO]

WOW, I take it you are a UT fan?
Doesn't matter what I am. I'm just glad I'm not an Aggie fan.

[regaltip]

Doesn't matter what I am. I'm just glad I'm not an Aggie fan.

Ouch!... Do I hear a fight a coming ProTrash? :D

[94StangFiveO]

Ouch!... Do I hear a fight a coming ProTrash? :D
So he can tell me all about tradition and how he's such a great teacher? :rolleyes: Save it for the newbs.

[regaltip]

So he can tell me all about tradition and how he's such a great teacher? :rolleyes: Save it for the newbs.


Oh I know I've been around enough to remember those days! Same with Hook'em!

[bcoop]

I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3739466



That faggot cock sucker Mack finally got someone's ear, I see. For the love of God, he should really stop crying like the little bitch he is. There is something to be said for pride, you know....


Should changes occur? Yes. Should the Big XII conform to every other conference? Nope. Playoff, playoff, playoff. This year proved a need for it more than any other. Mack's just being as much of a sore loser as the OP is.



Hang on, let me call the WAAAMBULANCE for all you butthurt pussies. :rolleyes:

[94StangFiveO]

That faggot cock sucker Mack finally got someone's ear, I see. For the love of God, he should really stop crying like the little bitch he is. There is something to be said for pride, you know....


Should changes occur? Yes. Should the Big XII conform to every other conference? Nope. Playoff, playoff, playoff. This year proved a need for it more than any other. Mack's just being as much of a sore loser as the OP is.



Hang on, let me call the WAAAMBULANCE for all you butthurt pussies. :rolleyes:
Get ready to ride along with me after I smash your fucking face in. Chokelahoma's nuts not enough to swing off of, you have to come try and jump on mine?

[Pro Trash]

Ouch!... Do I hear a fight a coming ProTrash? :D

LOL nope I am non confrontational, you know that. :D

[bcoop]

Get ready to ride along with me after I smash your fucking face in.

LOL! Anytime, Nancy. Anytime.



Chokelahoma's nuts not enough to swing off of, you have to come try and jump on mine?



So, let me get this straight. You come on here, butt hurt like your life is over, whining like a little bitch. I call you on it. Now, I'm somehow swinging from your nuts? Wouldn't you have to have a pair, for that to be possible? Just sayin...

[Pro Trash]

So he can tell me all about tradition and how he's such a great teacher? :rolleyes: Save it for the newbs.

Actually I am a Vice Principal now, I was not a great teacher, I was on okay teacher, but I am a great Vice Principal, LOL. :D Speaking of that I have to get back to work.

[94StangFiveO]

Actually I am a Vice Principal now, I was not a great teacher, I was on okay teacher, but I am a great Vice Principal, LOL. :D Speaking of that I have to get back to work.
Congrats! No shame in that. :)

[94StangFiveO]

LOL! Anytime, Nancy. Anytime.







So, let me get this straight. You come on here, butt hurt like your life is over, whining like a little bitch. I call you on it. Now, I'm somehow swinging from your nuts? Wouldn't you have to have a pair, for that to be possible? Just sayin...
You're a fucking moron. Yeah, care to follow me around anymore? I'll just send you a PM every time I post so you can keep swinging.

[bcoop]

You're a fucking moron. Yeah, care to follow me around anymore? I'll just send you a PM every time I post so you can keep swinging.



LOL! You're a fucking retard. You make a post in the Sports Forum, where I spend the majority of my time. And I'm following you around? Don't flatter yourself. This is the gayest argument in the history of the internet. "Stop following me around". LMFAO! Seriously? Like I have nothing better do to than follow you around, and search for every post you make? I mean, you should have been aborted and all, but I assure you I don't give that much of a shit.

[Juiceweezl]

This comment cracked me up.

"Let's say that the eighth-ranked team in the BCS is in the same division as the third-ranked," Beebe said. "If the eighth-ranked team beat the third-ranked team on a last-second play at home, sending the eighth-ranked team, that would defeat the purpose of trying to send the team with the best chance of winning a national championship."


Why do people think that the team that loses has the better chance of winning a national championship? If Team B (the lower ranked BCS team) is good enough to beat Team A (the higher ranked but loser to Team B) in the season, what makes someone think that Team B couldn't win a national championship with one full month to prepare? That's a stupid comment. Use this year's example (not for an argument over who should go). Does anyone really believe that UT won't have just as good of a chance at winning the MNC as Oklahoma? Both teams are outstanding. OU has a little more offensive firepower while UT is a better defensive club. They're basically a push save for that one day (don't make this an argument people. It's not the point here.). I just don't understand this pattern of thinking by people. Any team ranked say in the top 8 of the BCS is capable of beating the #1 team on a neutral site with a month to prepare.

FWIW, I'd practically bet my paycheck that the Big 12 will change the tiebreaker to match the other conferences.

[94StangFiveO]

LOL! You're a fucking retard. You make a post in the Sports Forum, where I spend the majority of my time. And I'm following you around? Don't flatter yourself. This is the gayest argument in the history of the internet. "Stop following me around". LMFAO! Seriously? Like I have nothing better do to than follow you around, and search for every post you make? I mean, you should have been aborted and all, but I assure you I don't give that much of a shit.
Apparently you don't have anything better to do if you spend majority your time on here. I'm here once or twice a week when I'm not working. Get a life, you wannabe Kirk Herbstreit.

[regaltip]

Get a life, you wannabe Kirk Herbstreit.

Damn that made me laugh!

[mustangguy289]

I don't really follow the college football ranking at all but this seems like a no brainer:

"Despite identical records and a loss to Texas, Oklahoma advanced to the Big 12 championship game in Kansas City because the Sooners are ranked higher in the BCS "

If there records are identical and OU lost to Texas then it sounds like Texas is the better team. What is so confusing about that?

[bcoop]

Why do people think that the team that loses has the better chance of winning a national championship? If Team B (the lower ranked BCS team) is good enough to beat Team A (the higher ranked but loser to Team B) in the season, what makes someone think that Team B couldn't win a national championship with one full month to prepare? That's a stupid comment.



I didn't quite get that, either.

[bcoop]

I don't really follow the college football ranking at all but this seems like a no brainer:

"Despite identical records and a loss to Texas, Oklahoma advanced to the Big 12 championship game in Kansas City because the Sooners are ranked higher in the BCS "

If there records are identical and OU lost to Texas then it sounds like Texas is the better team. What is so confusing about that?


It's simple. First off, UT being a better team is highly debatable. I don't think they are. But of course, there's no way to settle that with no playoffs.

It's a 3 way tie between Tech, UT, and OU. UT is bitter that they couldn't get it done vs Tech when given the chance, despite being dominated the entire game. Therfore, they like to 'forget' about the loss to Tech. In a two way tie, head to head wins. In a three way tie, that's not the rules. Period. End of story. Oklahoma got the nod to advance to the Big XII Championship, and pending a win there, to the MNC.


UT fans keep trying to make this a head to head thing, with two way tie rules (ignoring all along that Tech was in the running, and Tech beat UT). Problem is, it's not a two way tie. It's a three way tie, with a different set of rules.

[regaltip]

UT fans keep trying to make this a head to head thing, with two way tie rules (ignoring all along that Tech was in the running, and Tech beat UT). Problem is, it's not a two way tie. It's a three way tie, with a different set of rules.

I guess this just calls for a playoff system more and more every year, but it won't happen. The polls are all about politics even when Texas won the National Championship a few years ago.

[bcoop]

Apparently you don't have anything better to do if you spend majority your time on here.


Pardon me. When I'm on this board, I spend the majority of my time in this specific forum.


Either way, you're wrong, you have weak arguments, and your team is still NOT going to the Championship game. :p



Kirk Herbstreet? Really? That fag has Mack Brown's cock shoved so far down his throat he can't see the end of his nose. Try again, loser.

[bcoop]

I guess this just calls for a playoff system more and more every year, but it won't happen. The polls are all about politics even when Texas won the National Championship a few years ago.



That's what I've been saying all along. I don't have the answer, as playoffs present a whole new set of problems. But, something has to be done. Someone is ALWAYS going to get left out. It sucks, but that's the way it is. A line in the article above said it best.


"If you win all of your games you don't have to worry about this scenario."

[regaltip]

Well if you win all of your games doesn't make you a true contender for the BCS NC.

[94StangFiveO]

Well if you win all of your games doesn't make you a true contender for the BCS NC.
Look at Utah and Boise St.

[regaltip]

Look at Utah and Boise St.

BCS Polls = Politics

[94StangFiveO]

BCS Polls = Politics
Yep.

[bcoop]

Look at Utah and Boise St.



Neither of which are BCS conferences, right?

[94StangFiveO]

Neither of which are BCS conferences, right?
That is true also.

[bcoop]

That is true also.



Fuck em, then. ;)

[the mex]

That faggot cock sucker Mack finally got someone's ear, I see. For the love of God, he should really stop crying like the little bitch he is. There is something to be said for pride, you know....


Should changes occur? Yes. Should the Big XII conform to every other conference? Nope. Playoff, playoff, playoff. This year proved a need for it more than any other. Mack's just being as much of a sore loser as the OP is.



Hang on, let me call the WAAAMBULANCE for all you butthurt pussies. :rolleyes:
YES!

[bcoop]

YES!



Don't quote me, Corky.

[KWClutch]

The longhorns should have picked off Harrel's pass...or shouldn't let crabtree get WIDE OPEN...or should have tackled him after he got the ball...or shouldn't have let the joke that Tech is bend them over for the first half.

[ToRqUeTwIsTeR]

It's simple. First off, UT being a better team is highly debatable. I don't think they are. But of course, there's no way to settle that with no playoffs.

It's a 3 way tie between Tech, UT, and OU. UT is bitter that they couldn't get it done vs Tech when given the chance, despite being dominated the entire game. Therfore, they like to 'forget' about the loss to Tech. In a two way tie, head to head wins. In a three way tie, that's not the rules. Period. End of story. Oklahoma got the nod to advance to the Big XII Championship, and pending a win there, to the MNC.


UT fans keep trying to make this a head to head thing, with two way tie rules (ignoring all along that Tech was in the running, and Tech beat UT). Problem is, it's not a two way tie. It's a three way tie, with a different set of rules.

lmao....the only people that see it that way are the Okies. Facts are this: OU's non conference games were stronger ranked teams......bottom line.....end of story. The humans split decisions left it up to the computers......OU gets the nod. Hell OU recieved 3 fucking 1st place votes and even UT finished higher then Alabama in the computers. It is a crap shoot none the less.

[bcoop]

lmao....the only people that see it that way are the Okies.



Care to elaborate? That's not the only people that see it that way. Anyone that follows college football sees it that way. UT fans, just don't want to acknowledge that loss to Tech. After what OU did to Tech, I don't blame them. lol! :p

[Juiceweezl]

Care to elaborate? That's not the only people that see it that way. Anyone that follows college football sees it that way. UT fans, just don't want to acknowledge that loss to Tech. After what OU did to Tech, I don't blame them. lol! :p
No, you OU guys are missing the real point (as are most UT fans). The facts are that the Big 12 tie breaker is different than every other BCS conference. Yes, every school voted on it however many years ago they put it in place, so no one is to blame but the conference and assumingly the AD's. The Big 12 is going to reassess its system, and I'd bet change it to match every other conference. So, if the same events go down next season exactly as they did this year, UT would go to the championship, which in the eyes of practically every sportswriter/broadcaster and every other BCS conference is fair. It's not a matter of acknowleding the loss at Tech. Yes, UT lost, and on the last play of the game, but they still lost. It's you OU people that don't want to acknowledge the loss to UT and how important it SHOULD be. Trust me, if the roles were reversed, you'd be whining and mad at everyone you could be mad at.

I'm not upset at OU, Stoops, etc. over it. The system is what it is. I disagree with the result, but there is nothing that can be done about it -- until they change it, which is exactly what will happen too little too late. You guys should just be grateful that KU beat Mizzou last weekend. I think a Mizzou victory would've held UT in front in the computer polls.

[Hmbre97]

I bet Gideon is hating life right now.

[exlude]

I bet Gideon is hating life right now.

True.

[bcoop]

Trust me, if the roles were reversed, you'd be whining and mad at everyone you could be mad at.





Not really. I got over being mad, when I got over OU's loss to UT. I thought it was done at that point, and came to terms with it. It wasn't until the polls came out after the UT loss to Tech, that I thought OU had a half ass shot again. And even then, I wasn't so sure. Yeah, I told you guys I'd laugh when it happened. And trust me, I am. But, it all goes back to the Star Telegram article. You don't want to be in this situation, win all your games and you don't have to worry about it. OU slipped up against UT, plain and simple. They underestimated that defense, just like everyone else did. UT slipped up against Tech. Shit happens, and that is football.

[Big Studly]

FWIW, I'd practically bet my paycheck that the Big 12 will change the tiebreaker to match the other conferences.

Good thing for you, nobody took you up on your bet...

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-big12-tiebreaker&prov=ap&type=lgns

[Juiceweezl]

Good thing for you, nobody took you up on your bet...

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-big12-tiebreaker&prov=ap&type=lgns

I heard on the Ticket today that the coaches voted to keep it the same. It's up to the AD's now. I can't believe they're not changing it to match the other conferences. The scenarios where the lower ranked BCS team beats the higher ranked team but is kept out of the MNC have to be 1 in 10,000,000,000,000,000 odds. I still like the SEC system and have no idea why they won't switch to it. Oh well!

[Cartman]

I heard on the Ticket today that the coaches voted to keep it the same. It's up to the AD's now. I can't believe they're not changing it to match the other conferences. The scenarios where the lower ranked BCS team beats the higher ranked team but is kept out of the MNC have to be 1 in 10,000,000,000,000,000 odds. I still like the SEC system and have no idea why they won't switch to it. Oh well!


and admit they are wrong, never.

[Juiceweezl]

and admit they are wrong, never.

LOL I almost hope the same thing happens this next year but reverses roles so that UT goes and another team is kept out just for grins. Maybe the 1 in a million event happening 2 years in a row would create a change.

[Big Studly]

LOL I almost hope the same thing happens this next year but reverses roles so that UT goes and another team is kept out just for grins. Maybe the 1 in a million event happening 2 years in a row would create a change.

I would be curious to see which coaches voted which way.....

What I think would have been funny, is that they change it, and then Texas is kept out of a MNC game due to the new system, but would have made it under the old system. Hell, OU could come in last place next year, but if that would happen, I would think it was the best season ever.

[Juiceweezl]

I would be curious to see which coaches voted which way.....

What I think would have been funny, is that they change it, and then Texas is kept out of a MNC game due to the new system, but would have made it under the old system. Hell, OU could come in last place next year, but if that would happen, I would think it was the best season ever.

I'll agree that if they change it and UT is kept out under the new but would've made it with the old or that if they don't change it and UT is in and OU is out but would've made it with a change would be funny. That's confusing. If it backfires on them, I think it'll be funny either way.

Heck, I think the solution is to let the 2 highest ranked BCS teams play for the championship regardless of North or South division.

[bcoop]

Heck, I think the solution is to let the 2 highest ranked BCS teams play for the championship regardless of North or South division.

I agree with this, but only because the Big XII North is a joke.....

[stock85]

Heck, I think the solution is to let the 2 highest ranked BCS teams play for the championship regardless of North or South division.



qft

[stock85]

Although I will say it won't always be this way..........Nebraska and K. State should step up again.

[Big Studly]

Although I will say it won't always be this way..........Nebraska and K. State should step up again.

K-State got their coach back, so they might have a brief re-emergence.