All of you OU nut swingers....

[94StangFiveO]

Check out this little article and see what you think about your "Strength of Schedule" arguement. Null and void. Thanks for playing.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/notebook?page=notebook/onthemark1124

Strength of schedule
Oklahoma: Two of Oklahoma's 10 victories came against two of the worst teams in college football. The Sooners beat Chattanooga (a 1-11 FCS program) in their Aug. 30 opener and also defeated Washington, which just lost to Washington State to fall to 0-11. Oklahoma didn't play Big 12 North champion Missouri during conference play. The Sooners' 11 opponents have a combined record of 66-58.

Texas: The Longhorns didn't play an FCS opponent and beat UTEP 42-13 on the road. They also beat defending Sun Belt champion Florida Atlantic 52-10 and Rice 52-10. The Owls are 8-3 and are still in contention to play for the Conference USA championship. Texas beat an SEC opponent, Arkansas, 52-10. The Longhorns' 11 opponents have a combined record of 79-54.

Texas Tech: The Red Raiders had no margin for error because they played two FCS opponents, beating Eastern Washington 49-24 and Massachusetts 56-14. Texas Tech's 11 opponents have a combined record of 71-52.

Advantage: Texas. (No FCS opponents were on the schedule, and it played Missouri.)

[DatDude]

The official (and weekly updated) NCAA SoS lineup is here....
http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2008/Internet/toughest%20schedule/fbs_9games_cumm.pdf

[bcoop]

Check out this little article and see what you think about your "Strength of Schedule" arguement. Null and void. Thanks for playing.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/notebook?page=notebook/onthemark1124



Your point? It's going to happen, get over it. :p


"Advantage: Texas. (No FCS opponents were on the schedule, and it played Missouri.)

Oklahoma is the hot team as the regular season comes to an end. But Texas is a better team.

The Longhorns have already proved it on the field. "


That article has no bias whatsoever. :rolleyes: And that last statement is what is why we need a playoff system. TX is not a better team right now, IMO. Only way to prove it is to have another game. There could be one, if there was a playoff system.

[915.0GT]

Your point? It's going to happen, get over it. :p


"Advantage: Texas. (No FCS opponents were on the schedule, and it played Missouri.)

Oklahoma is the hot team as the regular season comes to an end. But Texas is a better team.

The Longhorns have already proved it on the field. "


That article has no bias whatsoever. :rolleyes: And that last statement is what is why we need a playoff system. TX is not a better team right now, IMO. Only way to prove it is to have another game. There could be one, if there was a playoff system.

I'd love to see a some playoff games between these teams with the 3-way tie on a neutral field. You get a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place real quick then just send #1 in for the Championship. Makes sense to me

[94StangFiveO]

Your point? It's going to happen, get over it. :p


"Advantage: Texas. (No FCS opponents were on the schedule, and it played Missouri.)

Oklahoma is the hot team as the regular season comes to an end. But Texas is a better team.

The Longhorns have already proved it on the field. "


That article has no bias whatsoever. :rolleyes: And that last statement is what is why we need a playoff system. TX is not a better team right now, IMO. Only way to prove it is to have another game. There could be one, if there was a playoff system.
Biased? By stating the obvious? If OU was the better team they would've won the game. Nonetheless, it is a prime example of why there needs to be some sort of a playoff.

[Who Needs 8]

And that last statement is what is why we need a playoff system. TX is not a better team right now, IMO. Only way to prove it is to have another game. There could be one, if there was a playoff system.


But if there were playoffs, then the Red River Rivalry would be diminished :rolleyes: http://www.dfwstangs.net/forums/showthread.php?t=376564

[poopnut2]

I'm only glad that Oklahoma won b/c it helped UT. Usually, you'll never see me root for anything that comes from that god-forsaken state.

[94StangFiveO]

But if there were playoffs, then the Red River Rivalry would be diminished :rolleyes: http://www.dfwstangs.net/forums/showthread.php?t=376564
That guy is just a fucking moron.

[915.0GT]

I'm only glad that Oklahoma won b/c it helped UT. Usually, you'll never see me root for anything that comes from that god-forsaken state.
but think of how easy figuring this whole mess out woulda been if Tech had won.

[bcoop]

Biased? By stating the obvious? If OU was the better team they would've won the game. Nonetheless, it is a prime example of why there needs to be some sort of a playoff.



You're 100% right. Teams never have off games. They don't get better or worse as a season progresses, either. :rolleyes:



That is just plain ignorant. UT was better THAT DAY. That doesn't make them a better team. It makes them a better team THAT DAY.

[bcoop]

but think of how easy figuring this whole mess out woulda been if Tech had won.



There's no simple fix with a playoff system. Sure, it might have helped this year. But it has it's drawbacks as well.

[94StangFiveO]

You're 100% right. Teams never have off games. They don't get better or worse as a season progresses, either. :rolleyes:



That is just plain ignorant. UT was better THAT DAY. That doesn't make them a better team. It makes them a better team THAT DAY.
OK, let's just put an asterik next to the win for UT, I guess they got lucky. :rolleyes:

Please, luck only happens horseshoes.

[bcoop]

OK, let's just put an asterik next to the win for UT, I guess they got lucky. :rolleyes:

Please, luck only happens horseshoes.



Did I say it was luck? If you're going to try and converse with me, you need an IQ higher than that of a wet fart.


So, you're telling me that teams never get better or worse as the season progresses? I'm just trying to clarify here, before you look stupid.

[bert89coupe]

Did I say it was luck? If you're going to try and converse with me, you need an IQ higher than that of a wet fart.


So, you're telling me that teams never get better or worse as the season progresses? I'm just trying to clarify here, before you look stupid.



TRUE, but ou was blowing teams out before ut and they're doing it afterwards. Looks the same to me.

[94StangFiveO]

Did I say it was luck? If you're going to try and converse with me, you need an IQ higher than that of a wet fart.


So, you're telling me that teams never get better or worse as the season progresses? I'm just trying to clarify here, before you look stupid.
Where did I say that? All I said was if OU was the better team, they would've won. That's pretty much the end of it so I don't why you're trying to drag something out because you disagree. Get over it, they lost. They're not the better team.

[bcoop]

TRUE, but ou was blowing teams out before ut and they're doing it afterwards. Looks the same to me.



They lost two defensive players there for a while. One actually got hurt in the UT game.

[bcoop]

Where did I say that? All I said was if OU was the better team, they would've won. That's pretty much the end of it so I don't why you're trying to drag something out because you disagree. Get over it, they lost. They're not the better team.



Jesus Christ, you just don't fucking get it, do you? You're completely dismissing the fact that teams get better/worse throughout the season. If you can't understand that, nothing I can do can improve your IQ.

[bert89coupe]

They lost two defensive players there for a while. One actually got hurt in the UT game.



and? UT lost their Tight End before that game.

[bcoop]

and? UT lost their Tight End before that game.



Seriously? You hit a slump when historically big playmakers go down to an injury, and their backup isn't half the player they were.....

[94StangFiveO]

Jesus Christ, you just don't fucking get it, do you? You're completely dismissing the fact that teams get better/worse throughout the season. If you can't understand that, nothing I can do can improve your IQ.
That has nothing to do with it. If it was relevant I might acknowledge it.

[bcoop]

That has nothing to do with it. If it was relevant I might acknowledge it.



It IS relevant. You just can't put two and two together. Keep hating all you want, I couldn't care less. I'll be the one laughing when OU jumps UT in the BCS standings next week. :D

[bert89coupe]

Seriously? You hit a slump when historically big playmakers go down to an injury, and their backup isn't half the player they were.....



no, i just wanted to post something. BUT, everybody behind Irby fucking sucks lol

[94StangFiveO]

It IS relevant. You just can't put two and two together. Keep hating all you want, I couldn't care less. I'll be the one laughing when OU jumps UT in the BCS standings next week. :D
If OU blows out OSU, it could definitely happen.

[bcoop]

no, i just wanted to post something. BUT, everybody behind Irby fucking sucks lol



hahaha

[ZYouL8R]

Seriously? You hit a slump when historically big playmakers go down to an injury, and their backup isn't half the player they were.....

If that's your argument then you should have lost the rest of your games because I'm pretty sure Reynolds has not returned.

Come on dude, you're one of the smarter and more logical guys on here. Using the "Team X is better right now" argument just doesn't work when the teams have already played. If that were the case, then every game ever played could have an asterisk because the team that won was only better that day, not necessarily better overall.

Bottom line is, the two teams played at a neutral site, and one team came out a double digit winner. If the roles were reversed, and it was OU who won and Texas was the "hot" team now, you'd be saying the same thing. The whole reason for a playoff was so teams could decide it on the field instead of through votes and rankings. Well guess what, Texas-OU WAS decided on the field.

[digdoug]

Every team has their good days and bad days. We had chances to win several times in the UT game, but we didn't...no argument there from me. That doesn't mean it would be the same if we met again. If you all would be honest there's no way you would want UT playing the team OU had on the field Saturday.....that was a nearly perfect performance. We'll see how it all plays out, all we (and TX) can do is win next week and see how it all sorts out.

[exlude]

You're 100% right. Teams never have off games. They don't get better or worse as a season progresses, either. :rolleyes:



That is just plain ignorant. UT was better THAT DAY. That doesn't make them a better team. It makes them a better team THAT DAY.

I've heard this argument before. Oh yeah, Pro Trash, A&M v. UT last year.

[ToRqUeTwIsTeR]

You're 100% right. Teams never have off games. They don't get better or worse as a season progresses, either. :rolleyes:



That is just plain ignorant. UT was better THAT DAY. That doesn't make them a better team. It makes them a better team THAT DAY.

So....Using your theory......Texas was the best team in the big 12 last year before Colt was injured? I mean you keep blaming OU's loss to UT this year because the leading tackler went down for the season. You are fucking pathetic.

[Cartman]

So....Using your theory......Texas was the best team in the big 12 last year before Colt was injured? I mean you keep blaming OU's loss to UT this year because the leading tackler went down for the season. You are fucking pathetic.
well in his defense, they lost the "qb" of their D in that game, up to that point OU was controling the game hands down, minus special teams. He was the play caller, he called the audibles to the d and he was the leader. if you watch the game b4 he goes down and after he goes down, it is night and day difference.

[ToRqUeTwIsTeR]

well in his defense, they lost the "qb" of their D in that game, up to that point OU was controling the game hands down, minus special teams. He was the play caller, he called the audibles to the d and he was the leader. if you watch the game b4 he goes down and after he goes down, it is night and day difference.Are you Cap'n Save-A-Hoe? Please.....don't encourage this idiot anymore. The less he posts the better the world will be.

[Cartman]

Are you Cap'n Save-A-Hoe? Please.....don't encourage this idiot anymore. The less he posts the better the world will be.
no, i am just stating that this time his argument is correct. hey even OU fans get it right once in a while :D

[RJDCobra]

you guys are kicking a dead horse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

[ToRqUeTwIsTeR]

you guys are kicking a dead horse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
My thoughts exactly....

[kwikstang91]

Tech wanted badly to beat TEXAS and #1 team at the time. Tech will be talking about beating Texas this year forever. I know they would had loved to beat OU but they wanted the game and played at home against Texas. UT got beat bad 1st half and 2nd half showed how easy it was to catch Tech they just couldn't finish it. Just like you argue if Texas played OU again and OU would win, if Texas played Tech again at Texas or neutral sight then Texas would win. Home field advantage with these 3 teams means alot. The fans at these schools help the team alot. OU played Tech at home and beat them. Texas played OU at a neutral sight and beat OU. Tech beat Texas at their home. These 3 teams playing at home could make the difference in winning or losing. OU fans you played well SATURDAY, you should have played well against Texas and there would be no arguing who is better. I believe TEXAS and OU are so close that whoever would play at home would win. Texas beat you, they took your defensive QB out of the game and hit your weak spot. TEXAS won and is ahead in BCS pole end of story. SHOULD HAVE BEAT TEXAS :(

[ToRqUeTwIsTeR]

Tech wanted badly to beat TEXAS and #1 team at the time. Tech will be talking about beating Texas this year forever. I know they would had loved to beat OU but they wanted the game and played at home against Texas. UT got beat bad 1st half and 2nd half showed how easy it was to catch Tech they just couldn't finish it. Just like you argue if Texas played OU again and OU would win, if Texas played Tech again at Texas or neutral sight then Texas would win. Home field advantage with these 3 teams means alot. The fans at these schools help the team alot. OU played Tech at home and beat them. Texas played OU at a neutral sight and beat OU. Tech beat Texas at their home. These 3 teams playing at home could make the difference in winning or losing. OU fans you played well SATURDAY, you should have played well against Texas and there would be no arguing who is better. I believe TEXAS and OU are so close that whoever would play at home would win. Texas beat you, they took your defensive QB out of the game and hit your weak spot. TEXAS won and is ahead in BCS pole end of story. SHOULD HAVE BEAT TEXAS :(
nanna-nanna-boo-boo

[regaltip]

Predicting what will happen is pretty stupid right now because no one is to say that OU will beat OSU or if Texas will win on Thursday... If it were up to just predictions our teams would win the National Championship every year. Or we would continue to make lame excuses to why we didn't win a particular game.

[Vertnut]

Predicting what will happen is pretty stupid right now because no one is to say that OU will beat OSU or if Texas will win on Thursday... If it were up to just predictions our teams would win the National Championship every year. Or we would continue to make lame excuses to why we didn't win a particular game.
Come Thursday, UT needs to get that monkey off their back. I think a 60+ point beating would be appropriate against Aggie...at least it would make ME feel better. ;)

[Juiceweezl]

well in his defense, they lost the "qb" of their D in that game, up to that point OU was controling the game hands down, minus special teams. He was the play caller, he called the audibles to the d and he was the leader. if you watch the game b4 he goes down and after he goes down, it is night and day difference.
Let's use BCOOP's logic here. So you're saying that a team can't get better as the season or game in this case goes along? You mean a team can't adjust to the way a defense is playing to take advantage of something? Seriously people. Injuries happen, and teams deal with it or they don't. It's a part of every game. If you want to use that excuse, Cosby hurt his ribs in the first few plays against TT. He was ineffective in the first half and didn't play in the second. You could argue that he's the 2nd or 3rd most valuable player to UT. IMO, that's not an excuse for losing. I agree with the article.

The facts are UT has played a tougher schedule. They played a grueling stretch of 4 games in a row, without a bye week to get ready for Tech. Their loss is "better" than OU's because it was on the road, by less points, and occurred on the last play of the game. We can search the RRS thread and find where many of you OU fans agreed that UT physically whipped OU in the game. You can't say that about UT/TT. Yes, TT whipped them in the first half, but UT turned all of that around in the second when they came back. On top of all of that, when trying to determine the higher ranked of two teams, head to head should be the deal breaker. If every week is supposed to be so important to the season, then you can't argue with the fact that UT should be ranked higher.

[Cartman]

Let's use BCOOP's logic here. So you're saying that a team can't get better as the season or game in this case goes along? You mean a team can't adjust to the way a defense is playing to take advantage of something? Seriously people. Injuries happen, and teams deal with it or they don't. It's a part of every game. If you want to use that excuse, Cosby hurt his ribs in the first few plays against TT. He was ineffective in the first half and didn't play in the second. You could argue that he's the 2nd or 3rd most valuable player to UT. IMO, that's not an excuse for losing. I agree with the article.



it is true injuries happen, lets say colt goes down vs a&m UT chance at winning just shot down about 20% from 99%, but if colt goes down vs OU, ut loses without question. he is the leader. I am happy ut beat ou but i think they caught a break with that injury. Last year if mcfadden was hurt and they played anybody with a decent team they would lose or struggle to win.

Some players are that important.

[BlueThunder99TA]

I'm only glad that Oklahoma won b/c it helped UT. Usually, you'll never see me root for anything that comes from that god-forsaken state.

and ya gotta pull for them again this week, hurts doesn't it? ;)

[Pro Trash]

Your point? It's going to happen, get over it. :p


"Advantage: Texas. (No FCS opponents were on the schedule, and it played Missouri.)

Oklahoma is the hot team as the regular season comes to an end. But Texas is a better team.

The Longhorns have already proved it on the field. "


That article has no bias whatsoever. :rolleyes: And that last statement is what is why we need a playoff system. TX is not a better team right now, IMO. Only way to prove it is to have another game. There could be one, if there was a playoff system.


They prioved they could beat by Texas Tech in the last minute of a game when they had the lead. OU dominated TT, but all this chatter means nothing, not one of us can predict with certainty who will be headed to the big game in Jan as of today.

[Big Studly]

and ya gotta pull for them again this week, hurts doesn't it? ;)

not necessarily. OU went to the national championship game without winning their conference. OU loses to OK St., Tech wins the Big 12 via the head to head and Texas moves up to #2 in both polls if they beat Aggie. Texas stays idle at #2 for the Big 12 Championship week. Who would then jump Texas in the BCS?

[stock85]

Tech wanted badly to beat TEXAS and #1 team at the time. Tech will be talking about beating Texas this year forever. I know they would had loved to beat OU but they wanted the game and played at home against Texas. UT got beat bad 1st half and 2nd half showed how easy it was to catch Tech they just couldn't finish it. Just like you argue if Texas played OU again and OU would win, if Texas played Tech again at Texas or neutral sight then Texas would win. Home field advantage with these 3 teams means alot. The fans at these schools help the team alot. OU played Tech at home and beat them. Texas played OU at a neutral sight and beat OU. Tech beat Texas at their home. These 3 teams playing at home could make the difference in winning or losing. OU fans you played well SATURDAY, you should have played well against Texas and there would be no arguing who is better. I believe TEXAS and OU are so close that whoever would play at home would win. Texas beat you, they took your defensive QB out of the game and hit your weak spot. TEXAS won and is ahead in BCS pole end of story. SHOULD HAVE BEAT TEXAS :(


This week.......and it's poll. ;) for those of you that need the sarcasm wink.

[WhoaTX5.0]

not necessarily. OU went to the national championship game without winning their conference. OU loses to OK St., Tech wins the Big 12 via the head to head and Texas moves up to #2 in both polls if they beat Aggie. Texas stays idle at #2 for the Big 12 Championship week. Who would then jump Texas in the BCS?

Right......Ou did go on to face LSU, after K.State beat them 35-7 in the BIG 12 championship.
That was the year of the SPLIT Title in the BCS ERA.....USC & LSU

But it could happen like that with Texas. Would be interesting If OU loses, Tech goes to BIG 12 CG and loses to Mizz

[BlueThunder99TA]

Right......Ou did go on to face LSU, after K.State beat them 35-7 in the BIG 12 championship.
That was the year of the SPLIT Title in the BCS.....USC & LSU

But it could happen like that with Texas. Would be interesting If OU loses, Tech goes to BIG 12 CG and loses to Mizz

there was no split title in the BCS, USC decided the AP title was as good as the crystal ball, LSU won the BCS.

[WhoaTX5.0]

there was no split title in the BCS, USC decided the AP title was as good as the crystal ball, LSU won the BCS.

Ok, let me word it perfect.
That was the year of the split national title in the BCS era.
Lsu beat Oklahoma (bcs national title game)
Usc beat Michigan(rose bowl) Won AP national title

[99BRINGIT]

http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/3157/7562/264800.jpg

[digdoug]

http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/3157/7562/264800.jpg

Now that's some funny shit. :D

[99BRINGIT]

Now that's some funny shit. :D


I aim to please!!!!

[Pro Trash]

I've heard this argument before. Oh yeah, Pro Trash, A&M v. UT last year.

A&M had two great days then, one in 06 and the other in 07, LOL.

[99BRINGIT]

A&M had two great days then, one in 06 and the other in 07, LOL.


Just like Texas had one great day, on October 11th 2008. They won the game, but they weren't the better team.

[SVT Lurch]

I aim to please!!!!
Holy crap, how long did that take you to make?

[Vertnut]

Just like Texas had one great day, on October 11th 2008. They won the game, but they weren't the better team.
:rolleyes: By 10 on a nuetral field? PLease explain... :cool:

I notice you have that date etched in your brain. I don't blame you.

[99BRINGIT]

:rolleyes: By 10 on a nuetral field? PLease explain... :cool:

Just like everyone else, I have an opinion, and like many others, I was at the game, and have since then watched the game many times again on DVR.

It was a game of two fairly evenly matched teams. Oklahoma maintained a double digit lead throughout a majority of the game. And then LB Ryan Reynolds went down. I understand that one player does not make or break an entire team, but in this case, with Reynolds going down, and his backup Austin Box being injured as well, Oklahoma had to play a freshman (Brandon Crow) that had never once stepped foot on a football field at the College level. Once again...one player does not break a team....but in this case it did. All 3 Texas 2nd half scores went directly through Crow in 1 on 1 coverage situations against Shipley. And then the "nail in the coffin" 60+ yard run was created by the complete Whiff by Crow. Being out of position is a product of not having any game time experience. The kid literally didnt know his head from his ass, and was getting burnt over and over again. It was good coaching on Texas O coordinators part, by exploiting him over and over again. He also has never stepped foot on the field again since that day. Not once. Texas took advantage of an empty spot on the field that day...and Won. I'm not discounting the win.


If Texas ends up higher in the BCS polls...so be it. I can't be too mad, because OU didnt win the game when they played in October. But I'm pretty confident in my thinking that they are the better team. And I would say that there are quite a few voters in the AP, Coaches, Harris, blah blah blah pollls...that agree as well.

I notice you have that date etched in your brain. I don't blame you.

It just happened to be on my Dads birthday this year, and I met up with him at the game.

[11sec4eyes]

Just like everyone else, I have an opinion, and like many others, I was at the game, and have since then watched the game many times again on DVR.

It was a game of two fairly evenly matched teams. Oklahoma maintained a double digit lead throughout a majority of the game. And then LB Ryan Reynolds went down. I understand that one player does not make or break an entire team, but in this case, with Reynolds going down, and his backup Austin Box being injured as well, Oklahoma had to play a freshman (Brandon Crow) that had never once stepped foot on a football field at the College level. Once again...one player does not break a team....but in this case it did. All 3 Texas 2nd half TD's were thrown directly at Crow in 1 on 1 coverage situations against Shipley. The kid literally didnt know his head from his ass, and was getting burnt over and over again. It was good coaching on Texas O coordinators part, by exploiting him over and over again. He also has never stepped foot on the field again since that day. Not once. Texas took advantage of an empty spot on the field that day...and Won. I'm not discounting the win.


If Texas ends up higher in the BCS polls...so be it. I can't be too mad, because OU didnt win the game when they played in October. But I'm pretty confident in my thinking that they are the better team. And I would say that there are quite a few voters in the AP, Coaches, Harris, blah blah blah pollls...that agree as well.
No way, if they were better they should have one. There is no exscuse for that loss if they are that much better then Texas. Definately not by10.

[99BRINGIT]

No way, if they were better they should have one. There is no exscuse for that loss if they are that much better then Texas. Definately not by10.


So was Texas A&M the better team the last couple of years that they've played Texas? What about Kansas State? Im not discounting your opinion, just want you to have an open mind, and see everything from all angles.

[Vertnut]

A few #'s from that game:
McCoy was 28/35 w/no INT's

Bradford was 28/39 w/2 INT's

UT had 194 yds. rushing

OU had 71

Opinions are like assholes...everybody has one. Texas had a helluva stretch of games to play (and win). By the way, Shipley has run by all sorts of DB's all year long...

[slow99]

Jesus, would everyone stop beating this horse? They will play their games and what happens will happen. The question of who should be ranked higher is a normative question. Google positive vs normative statements/questions. The answer will not be decided on this board.

[elzoro]

You guys are fucking idiots

[OkieJoe]

Biased? By stating the obvious? If OU was the better team they would've won the game. Nonetheless, it is a prime example of why there needs to be some sort of a playoff.
So are you saying Ole Miss is a better team than Florida?

[94StangFiveO]

So are you saying Ole Miss is a better team than Florida?
Same applies. If UF was better they would've won. Great teams win the games that everyone knows they SHOULD win, not lose to an unranked AT HOME.

[Badass2000gt]

So are you saying Ole Miss is a better team than Florida?
Yes :cool:

[Vertnut]

Sometimes it about match-ups. Certain teams just match-up better than others.

[Big Studly]

A few #'s from that game:
McCoy was 28/35 w/no INT's

Bradford was 28/39 w/2 INT's

UT had 194 yds. rushing

OU had 71

Opinions are like assholes...everybody has one. Texas had a helluva stretch of games to play (and win). By the way, Shipley has run by all sorts of DB's all year long...

Here are some more numbers from that game

McCoy threw for one TD on 277 yards

Bradford threw for 387 yards and 5 TD's.

Also...

OU rushed for 299 Yards against Tech

Texas only rushed for 80

Which shows DeMarco Murray is confident in his knee again and their running game is back. OU's linebackers and secondary have matured also. Just sayin...

And to the complete fuck tard that says Ole Miss is better than Florida because they beat them....you sir, are one of the dumbest mother fuckers alive and should not be allowed to post in this forum. You obviously have know fucking knowledge of sports.

It is more than likely these days a team will come up with a sub-par performance or run into a buzz saw at least one game during the year. Sometimes they get lucky and overcome, sometimes not so much. This year (so far), those games were the Texas game and the Tech game, for OU and Texas respectively. Quite possibly the OU game for Tech, but I don't think any one with a straight face can say Tech is the same caliber team as OU. Like Vertnut says, everyone has an opinion....

That being said, the guys that do the BCS computers (can't remember what they are called) said they run like 3 or 4 different algorithms but they are required to turn in a specific one to the BCS for the official rankings. They said the one they have that makes the most sense and is "more accurate" has OU ahead of Texas, and all of the experts are now saying that if OU beats Texas, they will leap frog them.

In science you take multiple samplings to try and discover commonality. Is seems the commonality here (so far) is that OU is more deserving than Texas to play for the national championship.

If OU beats OSU, beats Mizzou and then either Fla or Ala, how many 10 win teams will they have beaten this year? 7? 8? That is almost half of their schedule. I think that is pretty deserving of a national championship and is every bit as tough as the stretch UT had to go though.

[Vertnut]

Here are some more numbers from that game

McCoy threw for one TD on 277 yards

Bradford threw for 387 yards and 5 TD's.

Also...

OU rushed for 299 Yards against Tech

Texas only rushed for 80

Which shows DeMarco Murray is confident in his knee again and their running game is back. OU's linebackers and secondary have matured also. Just sayin...

And to the complete fuck tard that says Ole Miss is better than Florida because they beat them....you sir, are one of the dumbest mother fuckers alive and should not be allowed to post in this forum. You obviously have know fucking knowledge of sports.

It is more than likely these days a team will come up with a sub-par performance or run into a buzz saw at least one game during the year. Sometimes they get lucky and overcome, sometimes not so much. This year (so far), those games were the Texas game and the Tech game, for OU and Texas respectively. Quite possibly the OU game for Tech, but I don't think any one with a straight face can say Tech is the same caliber team as OU. Like Vertnut says, everyone has an opinion....

That being said, the guys that do the BCS computers (can't remember what they are called) said they run like 3 or 4 different algorithms but they are required to turn in a specific one to the BCS for the official rankings. They said the one they have that makes the most sense and is "more accurate" has OU ahead of Texas, and all of the experts are now saying that if OU beats Texas, they will leap frog them.

In science you take multiple samplings to try and discover commonality. Is seems the commonality here (so far) is that OU is more deserving than Texas to play for the national championship.

If OU beats OSU, beats Mizzou and then either Fla or Ala, how many 10 win teams will they have beaten this year? 7? 8? That is almost half of their schedule. I think that is pretty deserving of a national championship and is every bit as tough as the stretch UT had to go though.
Of course I will agree with the last paragraph. If OU pulls that off, of course they should play in the NC game. If they play Mizzou, it means they made it to the Big 12 champ. game. I'm certain they would hammer Mizzou, as UT did. Texas has to get rid of the 400lb gorilla known as "Aggie" tonight, before they can stake any claim to anything. They're picked by 35, and too me, here's your "trap-game" Studly. ;)
There's still that head-to-head thing... :cool:

[Cartman]

Of course I will agree with the last paragraph. If OU pulls that off, of course they should play in the NC game. If they play Mizzou, it means they made it to the Big 12 champ. game. I'm certain they would hammer Mizzou, as UT did. Texas has to get rid of the 400lb gorilla known as "Aggie" tonight, before they can stake any claim to anything. They're picked by 35, and too me, here's your "trap-game" Studly. ;)
There's still that head-to-head thing... :cool:
wait is that is the case then when ark beat LSU last year that means LSU was the real national champs right? :rolleyes:

[Vertnut]

wait is that is the case then when ark beat LSU last year that means LSU was the real national champs right? :rolleyes:
Thank God, I don't follow ark or lsu, only good teams... :cool:

[Juiceweezl]

Here are some more numbers from that game

McCoy threw for one TD on 277 yards

Bradford threw for 387 yards and 5 TD's.

Also...

OU rushed for 299 Yards against Tech

Texas only rushed for 80

Which shows DeMarco Murray is confident in his knee again and their running game is back. OU's linebackers and secondary have matured also. Just sayin...

And to the complete fuck tard that says Ole Miss is better than Florida because they beat them....you sir, are one of the dumbest mother fuckers alive and should not be allowed to post in this forum. You obviously have know fucking knowledge of sports.

It is more than likely these days a team will come up with a sub-par performance or run into a buzz saw at least one game during the year. Sometimes they get lucky and overcome, sometimes not so much. This year (so far), those games were the Texas game and the Tech game, for OU and Texas respectively. Quite possibly the OU game for Tech, but I don't think any one with a straight face can say Tech is the same caliber team as OU. Like Vertnut says, everyone has an opinion....

That being said, the guys that do the BCS computers (can't remember what they are called) said they run like 3 or 4 different algorithms but they are required to turn in a specific one to the BCS for the official rankings. They said the one they have that makes the most sense and is "more accurate" has OU ahead of Texas, and all of the experts are now saying that if OU beats Texas, they will leap frog them.

In science you take multiple samplings to try and discover commonality. Is seems the commonality here (so far) is that OU is more deserving than Texas to play for the national championship.

If OU beats OSU, beats Mizzou and then either Fla or Ala, how many 10 win teams will they have beaten this year? 7? 8? That is almost half of their schedule. I think that is pretty deserving of a national championship and is every bit as tough as the stretch UT had to go though.
Studly, nice argument, but be realistic. If OU were to make that stretch, sure you could make a case they'd be deserving. They have 6 wins over 10 win teams ASSUMING a few things happen: OSU would have to win a bowl game; Cincy has to win one more game; Mizzou has to win one more; and then there would be TT and whomever they beat in the MNC for 6 wins over 10 win opponents.

UT could say the same thing. Rice could finish with 10 wins. OSU is the same as above. They'd have 2 wins over Mizzou as a 10 win team. There's the matter of that win over OU, and then the MNC. Judgement = equal.

Bradford had a couple lucky TD's in the game against UT. One the guy clearly didn't get in, and replays showed it. Another was the pop up to someone in the end zone that could've gone for a pick as easliy as a TD. McCoy had actually had a guy drop one wide open, and another guy tackled at the what, 6" line? Besides, the more important stat is the "W." We know who got that one.

McCoy threw for 294 on the road at the end of 4 straight weeks against TT. Bradford threw for 304 at home after a bye week. Judgement = push with a slight favor to Bradford for getting a win. Put down the blinders.

The bottom line is that BOTH teams are deserving to play for the Big 12 and then MNC. One will not get to do so unless FSU upsets Florida and then Florida crushes Alabama. I'm a UT guy, but I'm objective. I will not sit here and say that one team is head and shoulders better than the other. I will say that they deserve to play again to settle that matter and the national championship as I belive they are the two best teams in the country. End of discussion.

[elzoro]

Great post, as an OU fan I agree completely


Studly, nice argument, but be realistic. If OU were to make that stretch, sure you could make a case they'd be deserving. They have 6 wins over 10 win teams ASSUMING a few things happen: OSU would have to win a bowl game; Cincy has to win one more game; Mizzou has to win one more; and then there would be TT and whomever they beat in the MNC for 6 wins over 10 win opponents.

UT could say the same thing. Rice could finish with 10 wins. OSU is the same as above. They'd have 2 wins over Mizzou as a 10 win team. There's the matter of that win over OU, and then the MNC. Judgement = equal.

Bradford had a couple lucky TD's in the game against UT. One the guy clearly didn't get in, and replays showed it. Another was the pop up to someone in the end zone that could've gone for a pick as easliy as a TD. McCoy had actually had a guy drop one wide open, and another guy tackled at the what, 6" line? Besides, the more important stat is the "W." We know who got that one.

McCoy threw for 294 on the road at the end of 4 straight weeks against TT. Bradford threw for 304 at home after a bye week. Judgement = push with a slight favor to Bradford for getting a win. Put down the blinders.

The bottom line is that BOTH teams are deserving to play for the Big 12 and then MNC. One will not get to do so unless FSU upsets Florida and then Florida crushes Alabama. I'm a UT guy, but I'm objective. I will not sit here and say that one team is head and shoulders better than the other. I will say that they deserve to play again to settle that matter and the national championship as I belive they are the two best teams in the country. End of discussion.

[Vertnut]

Studly, nice argument, but be realistic. If OU were to make that stretch, sure you could make a case they'd be deserving. They have 6 wins over 10 win teams ASSUMING a few things happen: OSU would have to win a bowl game; Cincy has to win one more game; Mizzou has to win one more; and then there would be TT and whomever they beat in the MNC for 6 wins over 10 win opponents.

UT could say the same thing. Rice could finish with 10 wins. OSU is the same as above. They'd have 2 wins over Mizzou as a 10 win team. There's the matter of that win over OU, and then the MNC. Judgement = equal.

Bradford had a couple lucky TD's in the game against UT. One the guy clearly didn't get in, and replays showed it. Another was the pop up to someone in the end zone that could've gone for a pick as easliy as a TD. McCoy had actually had a guy drop one wide open, and another guy tackled at the what, 6" line? Besides, the more important stat is the "W." We know who got that one.

McCoy threw for 294 on the road at the end of 4 straight weeks against TT. Bradford threw for 304 at home after a bye week. Judgement = push with a slight favor to Bradford for getting a win. Put down the blinders.

The bottom line is that BOTH teams are deserving to play for the Big 12 and then MNC. One will not get to do so unless FSU upsets Florida and then Florida crushes Alabama. I'm a UT guy, but I'm objective. I will not sit here and say that one team is head and shoulders better than the other. I will say that they deserve to play again to settle that matter and the national championship as I belive they are the two best teams in the country. End of discussion.
Get em, Juice. ;)

[Juiceweezl]

Great post, as an OU fan I agree completely
I have many friends that are OU fans, and the ones that are OU fans/college football fans (just as I am) all agree with this opinion. I'm glad you agree. My hope is that we get an all Big 12 MNC so they will fix the BCS with a playoff. I think that's the only thing that will force a change. Let's all hope for a Florida State upset and then a Florida "name the score" defeat of Alabama so we get that (after an OU win by 3 against OSU lite this weekend). Thanks for being honest.

[elzoro]

I have many friends that are OU fans, and the ones that are OU fans/college football fans (just as I am) all agree with this opinion. I'm glad you agree. My hope is that we get an all Big 12 MNC so they will fix the BCS with a playoff. I think that's the only thing that will force a change. Let's all hope for a Florida State upset and then a Florida "name the score" defeat of Alabama so we get that (after an OU win by 3 against OSU lite this weekend). Thanks for being honest.
Agreed. The bcs system is garbage. I'm a big 12 fan as well as an OU fan and I want to see one of our teams win it no matter what, especially if two big 12 teams get to play for it.

[Vertnut]

I have many friends that are OU fans, and the ones that are OU fans/college football fans (just as I am) all agree with this opinion. I'm glad you agree. My hope is that we get an all Big 12 MNC so they will fix the BCS with a playoff. I think that's the only thing that will force a change. Let's all hope for a Florida State upset and then a Florida "name the score" defeat of Alabama so we get that (after an OU win by 3 against OSU lite this weekend). Thanks for being honest.
If Florida beats 'Bama (I think they will), will they not leap-frog over OU and UT?

[elzoro]

If Florida beats 'Bama (I think they will), will they not leap-frog over OU and UT?
Not with a loss to Florida State

[Juiceweezl]

Not with a loss to Florida State
Correct. If they lose to FSU, they are way back (behind TT). That means a win over 'Bama pushes the Tide back. If they beat FSU (Florida here) and then 'Bama, they play the Big 12 winner for the title.

That's why we all need to pull for FSU this weekend. The Big 12 has the 2 best teams, and they should get to settle it on the field.

[Badass2000gt]

The Big 12 has the 2 best teams, and they should get to settle it on the field.
But they already have. That is why UT should be higher then OU on sunday.

[Big Studly]

Studly, nice argument, but be realistic. If OU were to make that stretch, sure you could make a case they'd be deserving. They have 6 wins over 10 win teams ASSUMING a few things happen: OSU would have to win a bowl game; Cincy has to win one more game; Mizzou has to win one more; and then there would be TT and whomever they beat in the MNC for 6 wins over 10 win opponents.

UT could say the same thing. Rice could finish with 10 wins. OSU is the same as above. They'd have 2 wins over Mizzou as a 10 win team. There's the matter of that win over OU, and then the MNC. Judgement = equal.

yes, I had to make some assumptions on future victories, but I think those assumptions are pretty valid at this point considering the teams we are talking about and/or future opponents. And that would give them 7 wins over 10 win teams. Texas would only get 6 if they go to the Big 12 championship and then win out. I was simply stating this because of the SoS arguments against OU because of their first two opponents. Their schedule has not been a cake walk like people are trying to make it out to be, so with all of that said, I agree this SoS argument is pretty much a moot point, which SoS was the original topic of this thread, was it not?

Bradford had a couple lucky TD's in the game against UT. One the guy clearly didn't get in, and replays showed it. Another was the pop up to someone in the end zone that could've gone for a pick as easliy as a TD. McCoy had actually had a guy drop one wide open, and another guy tackled at the what, 6" line? Besides, the more important stat is the "W." We know who got that one.

Sometimes getting lucky is a product of being good. Stats are stats, you can make deductions from them, but often, they do not tell the whole story. I only posted the rest of the stats from that game because Vertnut posted stats to spin doctor the truth. The truth is McCoy played good enough to beat OU and Bradford carved up Texas' defense just like he has done to everyone else's defense this year. OU lost that game because they couldn't stop Texas. They are different styles of quarterbacks. Bradford throws the ball down field more, McCoy throws mostly 5-15 yard passes and lets his receivers run after the catch.

McCoy threw for 294 on the road at the end of 4 straight weeks against TT. Bradford threw for 304 at home after a bye week. Judgement = push with a slight favor to Bradford for getting a win. Put down the blinders.

me put down the blinders? You Texas fans are equally as offensive when it comes to wearing blinders, so don't give me that crap. I posted stats, which are fact. I didn't use them to show anything except that OU's running game has improved over the last few weeks, which makes their team much harder to defend (and for reasons stated above). Bradford only threw for 304 yards because they ran the ball so effectively. Take off your blinders trying to defend Texas' performance against Tech. Texas had a slip up, just like Florida, USC and potentially OU (if they show some dominance on Saturday).

The bottom line is that BOTH teams are deserving to play for the Big 12 and then MNC. One will not get to do so unless FSU upsets Florida and then Florida crushes Alabama. I'm a UT guy, but I'm objective. I will not sit here and say that one team is head and shoulders better than the other. I will say that they deserve to play again to settle that matter and the national championship as I belive they are the two best teams in the country. End of discussion.

I agree with you for the most part. You are not as objective as you think, as is nobody that has a particular affinity for a team. That is just the way it is and that is what makes talking sports fun. If everyone were to just say...oh yea, OU and Texas are both awesome and are equal, we wouldn't have have the threads in the sports forum during College Football Season.

I don't fault anyone for defending their team, as long as they use some sort of logic. Coming in here and saying UT is clearly better than OU because they won the head to head is basically a ridiculous argument this year. Maybe it applies to other years too, but I think it stands out more this year because of the 3 way tie. Sometimes you can't tell who the better team is because they are a few that are all really good, like this year. That is why the BCS takes so many factors into account. Many different opinions come together and a consensus is formed based on many different opinions. Again, I was stating fact. If OU wins out, everything I have seen has OU playing in the national championship. Another fact is that the people who developed the different algorithms say that the most accurate algorithm actually has OU ahead of Texas as it stands now. Not a prognostication, it is fact. Since this thread was initially about SoS and talking about OU jumping Texas because they were playing OSU, I think those facts are relevant and I was simply pointing them out.

Are both teams worthy? Possibly. I would think Florida and Alabama would have something to say about that. That is why you have to choose between Texas and OU. So far, all signs point to OU (not taking into account the Aggie game or the OSU game) right now. That might change this weekend. With tonights performance by UT, if OU comes out and flops but still wins, since the national media has had a huge black boner for Texas and McCoy all year, I can see them jumping back past OU. If OU comes out and takes care of business, and voting stays the same, OU is projected to jump Texas. That is the way it is, and whoever is in #2 on Monday, that is what we will all have to live with. Just sayin....

[Big Studly]

But they already have. That is why UT should be higher then OU on sunday.

you are a fucking moron. Can you not think for yourself and come up with a good argument? Both teams have progressed and developed. The Texas and OU that play this weekend are not the same Texas and OU that played in October.

Lets use your logic and take the polls that come out, and any team that has beaten those teams, those are the ones that should play for the national championship. So we could end up with an Ole Miss vs. Tech national championship because they beat the #1 and #2 ranked teams on the field, so they are clearly the top teams.....

you fucking dumb mother fucker.

[11sec4eyes]

Damn some of you guys are just rediculous. I mean seriously, if you played for the teams or had jobs with the schools, I could understand. Butt seriously getting this but hurt over something that you really have no control over is just plain retarded. Remember to have a life and not to lose sleep. And nothing that any one on this board could say would bother me, ITS THE DAMN INTERNET!!

[Badass2000gt]

you are a fucking moron. Can you not think for yourself and come up with a good argument? Both teams have progressed and developed. The Texas and OU that play this weekend are not the same Texas and OU that played in October.

Lets use your logic and take the polls that come out, and any team that has beaten those teams, those are the ones that should play for the national championship. So we could end up with an Ole Miss vs. Tech national championship because they beat the #1 and #2 ranked teams on the field, so they are clearly the top teams.....

you fucking dumb mother fucker.
Im sorry that you misunderstood me causing you were busy with some cock in your mouth. But I was talking to Juiceweezl I believe when he said the big 12 have the two best teams in the nation and they should settle it on the field. Why should they, they've already played each other and Texas was the better team. And if its close in the polls then Texas should be higher cause of what happen in Oct. This is the reason why we need a playoff. We dont exactly know who in the big 12 should be going to the championship game. Texas has a argument. Ou does, and TT does. And whoever goes to the big 12 championship will go to the national championship game.
But if there was a playoff for the national championship all 3 of those teams will have a shot which all three deserve. And maybe they will play each other settle the agruement about how "different" the teams are from when they played the first time. But I know you dont like the playoff idea which I dont understand, but we will have this problem again in years to come. :cool:

[Vertnut]

They should let the computer decide the whole thing. Take the human element out of it, and let 'er roll. Seriously, there is so much favoritism, politics, etc. involved, just get rid of all of it. Feed info into the computer, and go with what it spits out.

[Badass2000gt]

They should let the computer decide the whole thing. Take the human element out of it, and let 'er roll. Seriously, there is so much favoritism, politics, etc. involved, just get rid of all of it. Feed info into the computer, and go with what it spits out.
Or just have a playoff.

[915.0GT]

Or just have a playoff.
x2

[Big Studly]

Im sorry that you misunderstood me causing you were busy with some cock in your mouth. But I was talking to Juiceweezl I believe when he said the big 12 have the two best teams in the nation and they should settle it on the field. Why should they, they've already played each other and Texas was the better team. And if its close in the polls then Texas should be higher cause of what happen in Oct. This is the reason why we need a playoff. We dont exactly know who in the big 12 should be going to the championship game. Texas has a argument. Ou does, and TT does. And whoever goes to the big 12 championship will go to the national championship game.
But if there was a playoff for the national championship all 3 of those teams will have a shot which all three deserve. And maybe they will play each other settle the agruement about how "different" the teams are from when they played the first time. But I know you dont like the playoff idea which I dont understand, but we will have this problem again in years to come. :cool:

dumb ass, do you not comprehend simple English? Can you not think past numbers and draw your own logical conclusions? Apparently not. Yes, Texas beat Oklahoma back in October. Almost 2 months ago. Teams adapt, players get better, coaches understand better how to utilize the talent they have on the field. No team in the NCAA is the same team they were in October. If Texas and OU are the two best teams in the nation in December, they should play again because it has not been decided on the field yet. Both teams have improved, had players get hurt, players return from injury, young players improve. They would have a month to prepare for each other where the coaching staff has a season of film to evaluate and study, as opposed to 3 weeks of film on high school equivalent teams to look at and prepare from. To settle it on the field NOW would be both intriguing and fun to watch, no matter the outcome.

[Badass2000gt]

dumb ass, do you not comprehend simple English? Can you not think past numbers and draw your own logical conclusions? Apparently not. Yes, Texas beat Oklahoma back in October. Almost 2 months ago. Teams adapt, players get better, coaches understand better how to utilize the talent they have on the field. No team in the NCAA is the same team they were in October. If Texas and OU are the two best teams in the nation in December, they should play again because it has not been decided on the field yet. Both teams have improved, had players get hurt, players return from injury, young players improve. They would have a month to prepare for each other where the coaching staff has a season of film to evaluate and study, as opposed to 3 weeks of film on high school equivalent teams to look at and prepare from. To settle it on the field NOW would be both intriguing and fun to watch, no matter the outcome.
Well I guess they need to get rid of non-conference play and maybe the good teams in the confernce need to play twice. Cause I would like to see another TT and UT game. But its not like that and OU had their chance and they lost.
Cause Texas has gotten better since the TT lost since every team gets better later in the season, at least that is your logic. :rolleyes:

[BlueThunder99TA]

They should let the computer decide the whole thing. Take the human element out of it, and let 'er roll. Seriously, there is so much favoritism, politics, etc. involved, just get rid of all of it. Feed info into the computer, and go with what it spits out.

a human programs each of the computers. ;)

[Big Studly]

Well I guess they need to get rid of non-conference play and maybe the good teams in the confernce need to play twice. Cause I would like to see another TT and UT game. But its not like that and OU had their chance and they lost.
Cause Texas has gotten better since the TT lost since every team gets better later in the season, at least that is your logic. :rolleyes:

you obviously don't comprehend logic.

by the way, what is your fucking point?

UT had their shot at Tech, and they lost. So by your logic of the head to head, if OU loses, that means Tech is the best team in the conference. There is no need for another game, it has already been decided on the field.

[Badass2000gt]

you obviously don't comprehend logic.

by the way, what is your fucking point?

UT had their shot at Tech, and they lost. So by your logic of the head to head, if OU loses, that means Tech is the best team in the conference. There is no need for another game, it has already been decided on the field.
Wow maybe you think Im a dumbass cause you are putting words in my mouth so that means you are the dumbass. Cause I never once said if OU loses then TT is the best team in the conference. And the only reason I said I would like to see another Texas and TT is because you said you like to see another OU and Texas game. Since its later in the season and we didnt see the "true" talent of the teams cause it was early in the season. Give me a break. Ou lost and Texas beat them. Texas lost to TT on the last play of the game at TT. If OU doesnt win by 20 or 30 tomorrow then Texas should be ranked higher. You know that, and that is why you are so pissy.

[Big Studly]

Wow maybe you think Im a dumbass cause you are putting words in my mouth so that means you are the dumbass. Cause I never once said if OU loses then TT is the best team in the conference. And the only reason I said I would like to see another Texas and TT is because you said you like to see another OU and Texas game. Since its later in the season and we didnt see the "true" talent of the teams cause it was early in the season. Give me a break. Ou lost and Texas beat them. Texas lost to TT on the last play of the game at TT. If OU doesnt win by 20 or 30 tomorrow then Texas should be ranked higher. You know that, and that is why you are so pissy.

I am not putting words in your mouth, I am using your own logic. Since UT beat Texas and already settled it on the field, they should be ranked higher than OU. Well, if OU loses and there is a 2 way tie, TT wins the Big 12 south and won the head to head, so clearly TT should be ranked above Texas, which is indicative that they are the better team.

Oh yea, and you are the only expert BCS prognosticator that says OU has to blow out OSU to leap frog Texas.

[ZYouL8R]

If OU loses to OSU, and TT goes on to the Big 12 Championship game and wins, then I have NO problem with them going to the MNC game over Texas. You know why? Because they beat Texas so Texas has no leverage as to why they should go instead of TT. It's that simple.

For some reason, OU fans seem to have such a problem with Texas going to any game over OU. Who gives a shit about schedules, who's "hotter" now, etc. Texas and OU fucking played each other on a neutral field and Texas won. How can OU argue against that? I just don't get it.

[Badass2000gt]

I am not putting words in your mouth, I am using your own logic. Since UT beat Texas and already settled it on the field, they should be ranked higher than OU. Well, if OU loses and there is a 2 way tie, TT wins the Big 12 south and won the head to head, so clearly TT should be ranked above Texas, which is indicative that they are the better team.

Oh yea, and you are the only expert BCS prognosticator that says OU has to blow out OSU to leap frog Texas.
Yes if OU kills OSU then yes they will jump Texas. But if they win by 6 or less they shouldnt jump them.

[Badass2000gt]

If OU loses to OSU, and TT goes on to the Big 12 Championship game and wins, then I have NO problem with them going to the MNC game over Texas. You know why? Because they beat Texas so Texas has no leverage as to why they should go instead of TT. It's that simple.

For some reason, OU fans seem to have such a problem with Texas going to any game over OU. Who gives a shit about schedules, who's "hotter" now, etc. Texas and OU fucking played each other on a neutral field and Texas won. How can OU argue against that? I just don't get it.
Well some OU fans like Big "Cocksucker" Studly thinks that teams get better later on in the season and that is the "real" team. The first time they played cause it was early in the season shouldnt count and doesnt tell who is the better team. :rolleyes:

[bert89coupe]

Just like Texas had one great day, on October 11th 2008. They won the game, but they weren't the better team.


HA, sounds like the USC fans in '05

[Vertnut]

HA, sounds like the USC fans in '05
I KNEW that rang a bell... :p

[ToRqUeTwIsTeR]

If OU loses to OSU, and TT goes on to the Big 12 Championship game and wins, then I have NO problem with them going to the MNC game over Texas. You know why? Because they beat Texas so Texas has no leverage as to why they should go instead of TT. It's that simple.

For some reason, OU fans seem to have such a problem with Texas going to any game over OU. Who gives a shit about schedules, who's "hotter" now, etc. Texas and OU fucking played each other on a neutral field and Texas won. How can OU argue against that? I just don't get it. That makes too much sense....I need an Okie to come in here to dumb it down for me. Where is Big Studly or bcoop? Maybe 99bringit can fill in for them.

[Juiceweezl]

yes, I had to make some assumptions on future victories, but I think those assumptions are pretty valid at this point considering the teams we are talking about and/or future opponents. And that would give them 7 wins over 10 win teams. Texas would only get 6 if they go to the Big 12 championship and then win out. I was simply stating this because of the SoS arguments against OU because of their first two opponents. Their schedule has not been a cake walk like people are trying to make it out to be, so with all of that said, I agree this SoS argument is pretty much a moot point, which SoS was the original topic of this thread, was it not?

Your math is as absurd as most of your OU loving statements. Assuming your path here, OU would only have victories over 6 ten win teams. I'll list them for you since you seem to be struggling with the math. Maybe it's because you Okies only have 3 teeth to count on. Teams: Cincy, TCU, TT, OSU, Mizzou, and the MNC game. UT would have 6 as well just as I said. Perhaps you're confused by counting that 1-11 record of Chattanooga or the perfect 0-11 of Washington.


Sometimes getting lucky is a product of being good. Stats are stats, you can make deductions from them, but often, they do not tell the whole story. I only posted the rest of the stats from that game because Vertnut posted stats to spin doctor the truth. The truth is McCoy played good enough to beat OU and Bradford carved up Texas' defense just like he has done to everyone else's defense this year. OU lost that game because they couldn't stop Texas. They are different styles of quarterbacks. Bradford throws the ball down field more, McCoy throws mostly 5-15 yard passes and lets his receivers run after the catch.

I don't understand your point here. It doesn't matter what type of throws a QB makes. All that matters is the result. McCoy throws up top if the play goes that way. Look at the bomb to Williams against TT or the drop Shipley had in the same game. There are others as well. You at least got two things right above.

me put down the blinders? You Texas fans are equally as offensive when it comes to wearing blinders, so don't give me that crap. I posted stats, which are fact. I didn't use them to show anything except that OU's running game has improved over the last few weeks, which makes their team much harder to defend (and for reasons stated above). Bradford only threw for 304 yards because they ran the ball so effectively. Take off your blinders trying to defend Texas' performance against Tech. Texas had a slip up, just like Florida, USC and potentially OU (if they show some dominance on Saturday).


I have never said that UT didn't slip up. They did and lost on the road as has been stated. They had a mental let down to start the game and had to dig themselves out of a hole -- which they did. OU played very well against UT, and lost to a better team (that day, today, or whenever doesn't matter now). They could play 9 more times, and the final records would most likely be 5-5. You can't say that OU gave the game to UT. They simply got beat. I think the tiebreaker system is bogus too, but if I have a vote and believe they are the two best teams, then I'm going to look at head-to-head just like the SEC does.

Finally, all of you guys that are proclaiming OU for the title game is an easy decision should look who you're writing off. Texas lost on the road on the last play of the game at the end of the 4 week stretch without a bye. One play, and there isn't even a discussion about this. OU's loss didn't come on the last play of the game, and it came against the other team in the debate -- TX -- by 10 points on a neutral site -- not a road game. OU has played some nice games versus teams like TCU and Cincy (both in Norman), but they've played 1-AA Chattanooga (1-11) and Washington (0-11). They also had their games spread out and a bye before the TT game in Norman. Basically, the closest thing they've had to a tough road test was in Dallas, and we know how that ended. The highest ranked opponent OU has beaten is TT. Obviously, UT has beaten a higher ranked opponent than that. The bottom line is that UT has thoroughly defeated every opponent this year with exception of the one loss. Even then, they nearly won that game. OU cannot make that statement about their loss. Don't be so quick to shout out that UT doesn't deserve to be there based on SOS, etc. They deserve to be there just as much as OU, and in many people's eyes by about 10 points more.

[94StangFiveO]

45-35

[Big Studly]

Well some OU fans like Big "Cocksucker" Studly thinks that teams get better later on in the season and that is the "real" team. The first time they played cause it was early in the season shouldnt count and doesnt tell who is the better team. :rolleyes:

you are a real football fucking genius. I guess the Giants last year didn't improve over the season to go on and win the Superbowl. Good thing teams that finish down in the rankings don't return 22 starters, because they would be just as bad, because teams obviously don't improve over time.

[Big Studly]

Your math is as absurd as most of your OU loving statements. Assuming your path here, OU would only have victories over 6 ten win teams. I'll list them for you since you seem to be struggling with the math. Maybe it's because you Okies only have 3 teeth to count on. Teams: Cincy, TCU, TT, OSU, Mizzou, and the MNC game. UT would have 6 as well just as I said. Perhaps you're confused by counting that 1-11 record of Chattanooga or the perfect 0-11 of Washington.

yea, that was bad math, regardless, the SoS schedule is a moot point. Both teams have both had tough teams throughout the season. Texas had a bad stretch, and OU faced tougher out of conference opponents.


I don't understand your point here. It doesn't matter what type of throws a QB makes. All that matters is the result. McCoy throws up top if the play goes that way. Look at the bomb to Williams against TT or the drop Shipley had in the same game. There are others as well. You at least got two things right above.

My point is stats can be misleading. Also, if it didn't matter what type of throws a QB makes, Brad Johnson could have led the Cowboys to some victories. Going back to stats can be misleading, McCoy's stats this year are a product of him throwing short, high percentage passes and getting yards after the catch. I am simply throwing a wrench into the original post that Vernut made trying to "glorify" McCoy's numbers against OU.

I have never said that UT didn't slip up. They did and lost on the road as has been stated. They had a mental let down to start the game and had to dig themselves out of a hole -- which they did. OU played very well against UT, and lost to a better team (that day, today, or whenever doesn't matter now). They could play 9 more times, and the final records would most likely be 5-5. You can't say that OU gave the game to UT. They simply got beat. I think the tiebreaker system is bogus too, but if I have a vote and believe they are the two best teams, then I'm going to look at head-to-head just like the SEC does.[QUOTE=Juiceweezl]

I am simply saying that looking at a head to head matchup between two teams earlier in the season is the "lazy" way out and completely discounts the entire season for both teams. If the tables were turned you would be screaming that UT beat Tech and Mizzou and only lost to OU, but OU lost to Tech and would see that the BCS should be based on the season as a whole....which would include how a team is currently playing, i.e. how hot a team is now.

The national media is falling head over heals in love with Florida because they are playing lights out right now. Why can't the same be said for Oklahoma?

Finally, all of you guys that are proclaiming OU for the title game is an easy decision should look who you're writing off. Texas lost on the road on the last play of the game at the end of the 4 week stretch without a bye. One play, and there isn't even a discussion about this. OU's loss didn't come on the last play of the game, and it came against the other team in the debate -- TX -- by 10 points on a neutral site -- not a road game. OU has played some nice games versus teams like TCU and Cincy (both in Norman), but they've played 1-AA Chattanooga (1-11) and Washington (0-11). They also had their games spread out and a bye before the TT game in Norman. Basically, the closest thing they've had to a tough road test was in Dallas, and we know how that ended. The highest ranked opponent OU has beaten is TT. Obviously, UT has beaten a higher ranked opponent than that. The bottom line is that UT has thoroughly defeated every opponent this year with exception of the one loss. Even then, they nearly won that game. OU cannot make that statement about their loss. Don't be so quick to shout out that UT doesn't deserve to be there based on SOS, etc. They deserve to be there just as much as OU, and in many people's eyes by about 10 points more.

First of all, that is complete horse shit. Both Texas and OU have plugged along with the exception of one game. OU was ahead most of the game, suffered an injury during the game that made their defense weaker, and ironically they game started to swing Texas' way when that injury occured (not making excuses, OU lost, we have covered that). Still, OU had every opportunity to win that game up until they punted with 4 minutes to go, even after that if they could have stopped the ensuing drive. That was a very winnable game for OU. The game was much closer than the score.

Second, I never said OU for the NC game was an easy choice. If OU wins tomorrow, I am going to be biting my nails until Sunday. I am glad OU plays on Sat. night so if they win, it will be fresh in the minds of the voters. Your argument for Texas can be said for OU too. They lost one game against an opponent who is ranked higher than who that opponent lost to, who OU completely dismantled and embarrassed. Which looks worse, losing to a team that many people regard as NC material, or losing to a team that is lower ranked and got destroyed by a team that many people consider NC material?

A loss is a loss man, teams play for 60 minutes. If you lose with 4 minutes to go, or with 1 second to go, that team got beat, case closed. Texas had 60 minutes to beat Tech, the game didn't start with Crabtree running into the endzone. As far as schedule goes, you play who you are scheduled to play, don't have a choice. It isn't like UT faced some formidable foes in their first few games, so don't even try and bring that up. As far as the stretch run goes, that is the way it goes. Everyone expected Texas to slip up at some point and they almost proved everyone wrong, but they didn't. They lost a game, just like OU lost a game.

Oh yea, and Texas doesn't deserve to go by 10 points more, only .08 points more this week, subject to change one way or the other come Sunday.

[Big Studly]

45-35

39-33

[Slowhand]

Jesus, would everyone stop beating this horse? They will play their games and what happens will happen. The question of who should be ranked higher is a normative question. Google positive vs normative statements/questions. The answer will not be decided on this board.

Get the fuck out with your logical talk.

[Badass2000gt]

39-33
45-35 Ou was losing what 5:00 mins left in the game.
39-33 TT won on the last play of the game with .01 sec. left in the game. Also it was at TT. Kinda of a big difference cocksucker.

[Vertnut]

A lot of things should be put to bed after tonight.

[Badass2000gt]

A lot of things should be put to bed after tonight.
No tomorrow afternoon.

[Big Studly]

45-35 Ou was losing what 5:00 mins left in the game.
39-33 TT won on the last play of the game with .01 sec. left in the game. Also it was at TT. Kinda of a big difference cocksucker.

you are right, and they are both LOSSES! UT lost to the #7 ranked team and OU lost to the #2 ranked team. I know which looks better in the win column.

Oh yea, and since we are talking about time in the games, OU was ahead of Texas for more than 45 minutes of the game out of the 60 minutes, at least. Tech was also ahead of UT for all but 1:28 of the game, which was the length of their last drive. OU dominated Tech from start to finish. In fact, OU has been behind at the end of 2 quarters the entire year. Texas has been behind at the end of at least 6, including all 4 of the Tech game.

Times don't show up in the loss column, quit trying to spin doctor the truth.

[bcoop]

45-35 Ou was losing what 5:00 mins left in the game.
39-33 TT won on the last play of the game with .01 sec. left in the game. Also it was at TT. Kinda of a big difference cocksucker.


I keep seeing this argument thrown all over the place. You people are fucking retarded, plain and simple. UT was DOMINATED that entire game. They didn't lose on the last play of the game. They lost when they took the field. They lost when they were dominated in passing yards, total yards, time of possession, etc.



LOL @ 'losing in the last second'. Not my fault that you all can't see that through your orange sunglasses.

[Vertnut]

I keep seeing this argument thrown all over the place. You people are fucking retarded, plain and simple. UT was DOMINATED that entire game. They didn't lose on the last play of the game. They lost when they took the field. They lost when they were dominated in passing yards, total yards, time of possession, etc.



LOL @ 'losing in the last second'. Not my fault that you all can't see that through your orange sunglasses.
True...but they still beat OU by 10. It's a helluva arguement, either way. We'll see after tonight what happens. I'm not going to argue either way. I may not like it, but I'll live with it. :)

[Badass2000gt]

True...but they still beat OU by 10. It's a helluva arguement, either way. We'll see after tonight what happens. I'm not going to argue either way. I may not like it, but I'll live with it. :)
Im not going to argue either if OU blows out OSU. Now if Ou wins by 6 or less and still jumps Texas. I might have something to say about it. I know it wont change anything but if that happens I will vent.

[Badass2000gt]

I keep seeing this argument thrown all over the place. You people are fucking retarded, plain and simple. UT was DOMINATED that entire game. They didn't lose on the last play of the game. They lost when they took the field. They lost when they were dominated in passing yards, total yards, time of possession, etc.



LOL @ 'losing in the last second'. Not my fault that you all can't see that through your orange sunglasses.
Ok lets see here. UT was ahead. I dont care about stats. I just care about the score. But on the last play of the game TT scored and tochdown and took the lead from Texas. So explain to me how Texas didnt lose on the last play when they had the lead?

[stock85]

I won't be pissed if Texas doesn't get jumped with an OU win. It's the system we have and OU should have beaten Texas and there would be no argument...........don't look now Tech is losing early.......all this shit may not matter at all!!!! If Tech pulls it out and OU wins........the Mizzou loss today hurts Texas quality wins.......I'm pretty sure if OU wins by at least 7 or more, they will jump them. Sucks because they both deserve to go.

[Badass2000gt]

I won't be pissed if Texas doesn't get jumped with an OU win. It's the system we have and OU should have beaten Texas and there would be no argument...........don't look now Tech is losing early.......all this shit may not matter at all!!!! If Tech pulls it out and OU wins........the Mizzou loss today hurts Texas quality wins.......I'm pretty sure if OU wins by at least 7 or more, they will jump them. Sucks because they both deserve to go.
The better team won between Texas and OU. Dont give me that shit about ou should have won. :rolleyes:

[bcoop]

Ok lets see here. UT was ahead. I dont care about stats. I just care about the score. But on the last play of the game TT scored and tochdown and took the lead from Texas. So explain to me how Texas didnt lose on the last play when they had the lead?



Because they were trailing the ENTIRE game. And not by a little, either. Jesus. Do you not comprehend that?

[bcoop]

For the record, it looks like it's not going to matter. I bet the 'Mad Scientist' is behind this beating he's taking right now. ;) I'd be pretty bitter over a team steamrolling my ass by 40+ too.

[Badass2000gt]

Because they were trailing the ENTIRE game. And not by a little, either. Jesus. Do you not comprehend that?
But they were ahead until the last play of the game. So Texas has the lead until the last play of the game. Which means they lost on the last play. What dont you understand? I dont carry if they were trailing all 4 quarters. They had the lead for a min or two and it was the last play that they lost the game. If that guy on Texas caught that INT then Texas would have won the game.

[bcoop]

If that guy on Texas caught that INT then Texas would have won the game.



If that is your argument, you could have just waved a white flag. If. If... If? Really?

BTW - If I'm not mistaken, UT had the lead for 1:28.

[Badass2000gt]

If that is your argument, you could have just waved a white flag. If. If... If? Really?
I guess OU won against Texas since OU had the lead longer then Texas. :rolleyes:No my arguement is they had the lead at the time of the last play of the game that TT scored on and won the game. Which means Texas lost on the last play of the game.

[bcoop]

I guess OU won against Texas since OU had the lead longer then Texas. :rolleyes:No my arguement is they had the lead at the time of the last play of the game that TT scored on and won the game. Which means Texas lost on the last play of the game.


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[Badass2000gt]

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you know Im right.

[OkieJoe]

Guys, all of this bullshit don't matter.UT beat OU then TTU beats UT then OU beats TTU. It dont matter if its on the last play or its by 40. A LOSS is a LOSS. We can all argue this till we're blue in the face. It's just a neverending loop. All you UT fans keep hollering about you beat us head-to-head well TTU beat you guys then we beat TTU. So why does your head-to-head over OU trump the other head-to-heads? It DOESN'T. All have one loss. All have a legitimate beef. Every fan of all three schools can have many points to argue and they could be good points to consider. I just find it funny that the only coach that I've seen whining and begging was Mack, its like he just knows UT is gonna get jumped over and he's reaching for whatever he can. The only thing that matters in my opinion is that this season and last just screams for a playoff system. Then if Florida or UT or OU or TTU won it all then by all rights they would be undisputed champs. Think about it guys, we don't hear this kind of bullshit during March Madness. Because every team knows if I'm good enough I'll win this game and get a shot at the next good team. We really need a playoff. Three or four teams from the Big 12 getting to kick ass on SEC and Big 10 schools lol. Hell if we had a playoff I'm not sure USC wouldnt whip everybodys ass.

[Big Studly]

Guys, all of this bullshit don't matter.UT beat OU then TTU beats UT then OU beats TTU. It dont matter if its on the last play or its by 40. A LOSS is a LOSS. We can all argue this till we're blue in the face. It's just a neverending loop. All you UT fans keep hollering about you beat us head-to-head well TTU beat you guys then we beat TTU. So why does your head-to-head over OU trump the other head-to-heads? It DOESN'T. All have one loss. All have a legitimate beef. Every fan of all three schools can have many points to argue and they could be good points to consider. I just find it funny that the only coach that I've seen whining and begging was Mack, its like he just knows UT is gonna get jumped over and he's reaching for whatever he can. The only thing that matters in my opinion is that this season and last just screams for a playoff system. Then if Florida or UT or OU or TTU won it all then by all rights they would be undisputed champs. Think about it guys, we don't hear this kind of bullshit during March Madness. Because every team knows if I'm good enough I'll win this game and get a shot at the next good team. We really need a playoff. Three or four teams from the Big 12 getting to kick ass on SEC and Big 10 schools lol. Hell if we had a playoff I'm not sure USC wouldnt whip everybodys ass.

Speaking of Mack Brown.....please try and tell me the national media/Musburger does not shill for UT. A phone interview during the OU/OSU game? Really? I didn't see Stoops on during the Aggie/Texas game. That is even after he started his politicking on Thursday after the game. At least Stoops had the class to say what he did after the OU game. I hope that class gets him some votes. Damn, giving up 41 points! I didn't see that coming wither OU won or lost.

[OkieJoe]

Speaking of Mack Brown.....please try and tell me the national media/Musburger does not shill for UT. A phone interview during the OU/OSU game? Really? I didn't see Stoops on during the Aggie/Texas game. That is even after he started his politicking on Thursday after the game. At least Stoops had the class to say what he did after the OU game. I hope that class gets him some votes. Damn, giving up 41 points! I didn't see that coming wither OU won or lost.
Yeah, Mack has been politicing pretty hard. He knows people call him a whiner but he still keeps on. It's going to be interesting tomorrow to see who comes out of the south. Nobody has been talking about TTU, but they have as much right to be there as OU or UT. I know they lost late in the season and thats a no-no but they did beat UT, who beat OU, beat TTU.......yada yada yada.

[exlude]

I think Mack is pushing it so hard because he has gotten kind of a bad rap for not politicking in the past. At least he is making the effort this time.

[jrhaden]

BOOMER

[94StangFiveO]

BOOMER
45-35

[jrhaden]

I love how all you mother fuckers forget about the loss to Tech. The same tech we laid a good ol fashioned sooner ass whoopin. Sorry we lost one of our best defensive players and you surprisingly got hot after that.

[94StangFiveO]

I love how all you mother fuckers forget about the loss to Tech. The same tech we laid a good ol fashioned sooner ass whoopin. Sorry we lost one of our best defensive players and you surprisingly got hot after that.
Motherfucker me? Mother fuck you!

[the mex]

texas beat us how many weeks ago?tech beat texas when?nov1st.ou beat tech lastweek.ou is playing better ball right now.next weekend when we are playing mizz for the big 12,all the ut nutswingers will be wishing they were watching ut play.it was funny how all the gameday/espn folks were all about texas then after we won our bedlam game they did a 180 and all of them said ou for the big 12.im not saying texas sucks but ou is a better ball team right now and they deserve to go.

[jrhaden]

Motherfucker me? Mother fuck you!

Nice response from a powerhouse texas fan that whooped up on a special ed A&m thurs. Face it. You guys are gonna be watching us winning ANOTHER Big 12 Championship.

[Vertnut]

I love how all you mother fuckers forget about the loss to Tech. The same tech we laid a good ol fashioned sooner ass whoopin. Sorry we lost one of our best defensive players and you surprisingly got hot after that.
We just saw Tech squeak past the mighty Baylor Bears...in Lubbock. Please...talk about how teams have "changed" during the season? Tech is a prime example of that.
OU got whipped on a nuetral field. You can't deny that. OU's defense was made to look weak last night (41 points?). If OSU's QB had a clue as to what he was doing, they were right there with OU.

[Juiceweezl]

texas beat us how many weeks ago?tech beat texas when?nov1st.ou beat tech lastweek.ou is playing better ball right now.next weekend when we are playing mizz for the big 12,all the ut nutswingers will be wishing they were watching ut play.it was funny how all the gameday/espn folks were all about texas then after we won our bedlam game they did a 180 and all of them said ou for the big 12.im not saying texas sucks but ou is a better ball team right now and they deserve to go.
One, all of you guys bashing Mack obviously haven't been listening to ESPN radio or watching ESPN all week. Stoops has been everywhere. I think Mike & Mike are giving him his own segment. To me, that's what each coach should be doing. It's a sad system that voters who don't watch games are forced to decide something that should be settled on the field. Each coach believes in his team and his players, and he should do whatever he can to help them get as far as they can. I'm not holding that against either coach and would be disappointed if my coach didn't speak out.

Secondly, how can you say OU is playing better now? One game, that's all UT struggled with. They led OSU the entire game when they played them. Like it or not, last night's game for OU was not a 20 point game and you know it. They were on thin ice for most of the game. It's a good thing some of that horseshoe magic they have was with them on the fumbles and those tipped balls. Besides, look at it this way. OU scores 60 but gives up 40. They gave up 45 to UT and what another 45 to KU, so their defense is where it's been all season. UT gave up 9 this week and 7 last week in Kansas. It's impossible to sit here and say one team is playing better than the other right now when both are looking dominant.

One team is going to go, and the other is going to get screwed. I personally think everyone is trying to decided between 2 teams here, so head to head should decide. Yes, it's a 3 way tie, but no one thinks TT should be there.

[Zfan]

I am a big Sooner fan but their defense was weak last night, much worse than I would have liked to see with everything on the line. OSU always plays the Sooners hard. I hate to see it come down to this and that is why they need a play off system now!!!

If Texas goes they deserve it, you can't say much else.

[Big Studly]

We just saw Tech squeak past the mighty Baylor Bears...in Lubbock. Please...talk about how teams have "changed" during the season? Tech is a prime example of that.
OU got whipped on a nuetral field. You can't deny that. OU's defense was made to look weak last night (41 points?). If OSU's QB had a clue as to what he was doing, they were right there with OU.

didn't UT lose to that team that barely beat Baylor? just sayin...

OU didn't get whipped either, they were leading UT most of the game, kind of like Tech was leading UT most of the game.

OU's defense did look weak and they even lost their backup middle linebacker...not that he was doing much in that game, but he was starting to come along.

Like the post above mine said, a case can be made for all 3 teams to go, yes, even Tech. Each team as made its case on the field and now it will all play out.

Oh yea, and there is a HUGE difference between doing an interview on the radio and calling in during the prime time game that featured the team you are politicking against when your season is complete.

That being said, I am surprised Stoops didn't say more after the game. I figured after hearing Mack Brown after the Texas game he would try and have the last word.

[OkieJoe]

45-35
39-33 = late loss. better to lose early than late.

[OkieJoe]

I don't remember the score but I think UT only beat OSU by 7 IN Austin.

[Big Studly]

I don't remember the score but I think UT only beat OSU by 7 IN Austin.

it was by 4. OU almost beat the spread by 3x last night.

[bcoop]

45-35



LOLOLOLOL!!!! You keep clinging to that when OU jumpes UT and makes the Big XII and MNC games. :p



Seriously, that score doesn't matter. Not one bit. To keep bringing it up, shows you're bitter, jealous, and a poor sport.

[the mex]

One, all of you guys bashing Mack obviously haven't been listening to ESPN radio or watching ESPN all week. Stoops has been everywhere. I think Mike & Mike are giving him his own segment. To me, that's what each coach should be doing. It's a sad system that voters who don't watch games are forced to decide something that should be settled on the field. Each coach believes in his team and his players, and he should do whatever he can to help them get as far as they can. I'm not holding that against either coach and would be disappointed if my coach didn't speak out.

Secondly, how can you say OU is playing better now? One game, that's all UT struggled with. They led OSU the entire game when they played them. Like it or not, last night's game for OU was not a 20 point game and you know it. They were on thin ice for most of the game. It's a good thing some of that horseshoe magic they have was with them on the fumbles and those tipped balls. Besides, look at it this way. OU scores 60 but gives up 40. They gave up 45 to UT and what another 45 to KU, so their defense is where it's been all season. UT gave up 9 this week and 7 last week in Kansas. It's impossible to sit here and say one team is playing better than the other right now when both are looking dominant.

One team is going to go, and the other is going to get screwed. I personally think everyone is trying to decided between 2 teams here, so head to head should decide. Yes, it's a 3 way tie, but no one thinks TT should be there.
your right,it was a 26pt game.we got a horrible call and osu got 6 points with it.osu is a number 12 team!they arent a slack team.the conference strength of schedule is stronger than texas' conference strength of schedule.

[Juiceweezl]

your right,it was a 26pt game.we got a horrible call and osu got 6 points with it.osu is a number 12 team!they arent a slack team.the conference strength of schedule is stronger than texas' conference strength of schedule.
You're an idiot. One, OU should've kneeled it out last night. That was classless. Two, UT has the stronger confernce SOS because they played Mizzou. Finally, it's funny how OU claims, "We beat #2 in the country and lost to #3. UT lost to #7." It's the same team dumbassses. It's a close call, but I'd give the advantage to head-to-head. My vote is UT, but a case can easily be made for OU. Luckily for OU that it's not the SEC rules or they'd be out for sure. SEC throws out all but the 2 highest rated BCS teams in the even of a tie. Then they use head-to-head (as it should be) to separate those two.

[Juiceweezl]

Oh, and don't be so sure you got a crappy call that gave OSU points. I'm not sure Bradford actually had the fumble on the ground or else someone couldn't have reached in with one hand and taken it away. That being said, the call was made, and replay upheld the call in that case, just as it should've been. If they had ruled it OSU ball, it wouldn't have been reversed either.

[the mex]

You're an idiot. One, OU should've kneeled it out last night. That was classless. Two, UT has the stronger confernce SOS because they played Mizzou. Finally, it's funny how OU claims, "We beat #2 in the country and lost to #3. UT lost to #7." It's the same team dumbassses. It's a close call, but I'd give the advantage to head-to-head. My vote is UT, but a case can easily be made for OU. Luckily for OU that it's not the SEC rules or they'd be out for sure. SEC throws out all but the 2 highest rated BCS teams in the even of a tie. Then they use head-to-head (as it should be) to separate those two.
yeah,its classless to handoff the ball instead of throwing it and really trying to get down field.

[Big Studly]

You're an idiot. One, OU should've kneeled it out last night. That was classless. Two, UT has the stronger confernce SOS because they played Mizzou. Finally, it's funny how OU claims, "We beat #2 in the country and lost to #3. UT lost to #7." It's the same team dumbassses. It's a close call, but I'd give the advantage to head-to-head. My vote is UT, but a case can easily be made for OU. Luckily for OU that it's not the SEC rules or they'd be out for sure. SEC throws out all but the 2 highest rated BCS teams in the even of a tie. Then they use head-to-head (as it should be) to separate those two.

you moron, OSU was still calling time outs to get the ball back, of course they were going to run the ball. Even the announcers, right before the TD, said that OU should run the ball because OSU was still trying to stop them. If they stick it in the endzone, it is not their fault that OSU couldn't stop them. What was Chris Brown supposed to do, stop and kneel when nobody touched him?

Yea, the SEC does do that, who cares, the Big 12 doesn't.

Bradford clearly recovered his own fumble, so much so that refs didn't call it OSU's ball. That is why Gundy challenged the play and lost, and lost a time out. It was quite clear on the field to the refs what happened, and on replay. On the fumble that wasn't called, it was clearly a fumble and the call was missed, OSU was smart enough to get up to the line of scrimmage and run a play before anyone could think. That would have been a change in possession and a short field for OU, where they would have scored because OSU could not stop them last night. That could have been a 14 point swing (rounding off because of the 2 point TD, etc.. that ensued).

[Vertnut]

didn't UT lose to that team that barely beat Baylor? just sayin...

OU didn't get whipped either, they were leading UT most of the game, kind of like Tech was leading UT most of the game.

OU's defense did look weak and they even lost their backup middle linebacker...not that he was doing much in that game, but he was starting to come along.

Like the post above mine said, a case can be made for all 3 teams to go, yes, even Tech. Each team as made its case on the field and now it will all play out.

Oh yea, and there is a HUGE difference between doing an interview on the radio and calling in during the prime time game that featured the team you are politicking against when your season is complete.

That being said, I am surprised Stoops didn't say more after the game. I figured after hearing Mack Brown after the Texas game he would try and have the last word.
Your very arguement works against you. UT beat OU, period. I think you've mentioned how teams "change" during the season, and I think Tech was flipped over by OU. The Baylor game, in Lubbock, shows that. But to each his own. Whatever happens, I'm certain it will be as fair as possible. No sour grapes here. UT turned out about 10 spots better than what was predicted for them this year.

[poopnut2]

Guys, all of this bullshit don't matter.UT beat OU then TTU beats UT then OU beats TTU. It dont matter if its on the last play or its by 40. A LOSS is a LOSS. We can all argue this till we're blue in the face. It's just a neverending loop. All you UT fans keep hollering about you beat us head-to-head well TTU beat you guys then we beat TTU. So why does your head-to-head over OU trump the other head-to-heads? It DOESN'T. All have one loss. All have a legitimate beef. Every fan of all three schools can have many points to argue and they could be good points to consider. I just find it funny that the only coach that I've seen whining and begging was Mack, its like he just knows UT is gonna get jumped over and he's reaching for whatever he can. The only thing that matters in my opinion is that this season and last just screams for a playoff system. Then if Florida or UT or OU or TTU won it all then by all rights they would be undisputed champs. Think about it guys, we don't hear this kind of bullshit during March Madness. Because every team knows if I'm good enough I'll win this game and get a shot at the next good team. We really need a playoff. Three or four teams from the Big 12 getting to kick ass on SEC and Big 10 schools lol. Hell if we had a playoff I'm not sure USC wouldnt whip everybodys ass.

UT won on a neutral site. OU won their game at home and Tech won theirs at home. Is that even factored into the equation? Maybe with the voters. Does anyone want to see a Big 12 championship with OU and Tech again? Hell no. That game was over by the half.

[94StangFiveO]

LOLOLOLOL!!!! You keep clinging to that when OU jumpes UT and makes the Big XII and MNC games. :p



Seriously, that score doesn't matter. Not one bit. To keep bringing it up, shows you're bitter, jealous, and a poor sport.
I've got my opinion. It you don't like it, don't read my fucking posts. I can't wait to see another Sooner flop.

[Juiceweezl]

you moron, OSU was still calling time outs to get the ball back, of course they were going to run the ball. Even the announcers, right before the TD, said that OU should run the ball because OSU was still trying to stop them. If they stick it in the endzone, it is not their fault that OSU couldn't stop them. What was Chris Brown supposed to do, stop and kneel when nobody touched him?

Yea, the SEC does do that, who cares, the Big 12 doesn't.

Bradford clearly recovered his own fumble, so much so that refs didn't call it OSU's ball. That is why Gundy challenged the play and lost, and lost a time out. It was quite clear on the field to the refs what happened, and on replay. On the fumble that wasn't called, it was clearly a fumble and the call was missed, OSU was smart enough to get up to the line of scrimmage and run a play before anyone could think. That would have been a change in possession and a short field for OU, where they would have scored because OSU could not stop them last night. That could have been a 14 point swing (rounding off because of the 2 point TD, etc.. that ensued).
Just so you know, it was 1st and 10 with 30 some seconds left when OU ran the play to score the last TD. They should've knelt it out. That would have shown class. Look it up if you think I'm wrong, but you'll see. OSU will remember that down the road and will probably repay it with a cheap shot aTm style.

[Big Studly]

Just so you know, it was 1st and 10 with 30 some seconds left when OU ran the play to score the last TD. They should've knelt it out. That would have shown class. Look it up if you think I'm wrong, but you'll see. OSU will remember that down the road and will probably repay it with a cheap shot aTm style.

you are right, 30 seconds left, right after OSU called a time out and they were 28 yards away from the end zone. OSU still had time outs left so they were trying to move the ball. It isn't OU's fault that nobody touched a running back on a play that they had run 3 times before, up the middle for a touchdown.

[exlude]

you are right, 30 seconds left, right after OSU called a time out and they were 28 yards away from the end zone. OSU still had time outs left so they were trying to move the ball. It isn't OU's fault that nobody touched a running back on a play that they had run 3 times before, up the middle for a touchdown.

So you're agreeing that the sportsman's move would be to take a knee?

Not that it matters, the BCS actively works against sportsmanship.

[stock85]

We just saw Tech squeak past the mighty Baylor Bears...in Lubbock. Please...talk about how teams have "changed" during the season? Tech is a prime example of that.
OU got whipped on a nuetral field. You can't deny that. OU's defense was made to look weak last night (41 points?). If OSU's QB had a clue as to what he was doing, they were right there with OU.


I am so happy one of you texas fans brought this up..........how many points did Tech score at home against texas? 39?

[exlude]

I am so happy one of you texas fans brought this up..........how many points did Tech score at home against texas? 39?


*his point*
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*your head*

[jrhaden]

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[Big Studly]

So you're agreeing that the sportsman's move would be to take a knee?

Not that it matters, the BCS actively works against sportsmanship.

i wasn't agreeing with him...it would have shown good sportsmanship, but there was nothing wrong with doing what they did. Even OU hater Brent Musburger said something about it not being a problem, right before they ran that play and scored.

and you are right, BCS promotes running up the score, especially in this situation.

[Vertnut]

I am so happy one of you texas fans brought this up..........how many points did Tech score at home against texas? 39?
...and Texas scored 45 on OU...your point is...? :cool:

[1985GT]

none of this TX-OU game, 45 - 35 BS matters... it is a 3-way tie.

It's not a head to head comparison. They ALL lost a game to one or the other which negates the head-to-heads.. it comes down to ranking alone.

I think it could have gone either way and this is just the way it worked out. Nobody has any room to bitch.

If the Tech-OU game had come down to one point at the last second, this would be much more of a mess.

Part of me wanted OU to lose just to screw UT out of the Big 12 championship. They needed OU to win to even have a shot and they were flauting the 45-35 all over the place like it mattered.

[stock85]

The better team won between Texas and OU. Dont give me that shit about ou should have won. :rolleyes:


Dude it's called reading comprehension.......my point was, had OU beaten Texas there would have been no argument........I never said OU was the better team.

[stock85]

...and Texas scored 45 on OU...your point is...? :cool:

My point is.......you said OU's D looked weak because of the 41, yet Texas gave up 39. Big 12's D period has looked bad this year.

[Juiceweezl]

i wasn't agreeing with him...it would have shown good sportsmanship, but there was nothing wrong with doing what they did. Even OU hater Brent Musburger said something about it not being a problem, right before they ran that play and scored.

and you are right, BCS promotes running up the score, especially in this situation.
I don't know how many TO's OSU had left, but at most it would've been 2 if you say that had been calling them (one say). Take a knee on first down. OSU calls timeout. Take a knee on second down. OSU calls final timeout. Take a knee on third down, hand the ball to the ref, and go shake hands at midfield. It's called class, but then again, we are talking about Stoops and Oklahoma here. Just be ready in the future when the cheap shot arrives from OSU at an opportune time.

[the mex]

I don't know how many TO's OSU had left, but at most it would've been 2 if you say that had been calling them (one say). Take a knee on first down. OSU calls timeout. Take a knee on second down. OSU calls final timeout. Take a knee on third down, hand the ball to the ref, and go shake hands at midfield. It's called class, but then again, we are talking about Stoops and Oklahoma here. Just be ready in the future when the cheap shot arrives from OSU at an opportune time.
yeah,stoops isnt known for being a class act is he.retard.typical ut fan.

[Vertnut]

yeah,stoops isnt known for being a class act is he.retard.typical ut fan.
You still here? Learn to type...comprehension and punctuation own your ass.

[the mex]

You still here? Learn to type...comprehension and punctuation own your ass.
never said i punctuated well,i said 45-35 was not enough.

[Vertnut]

never said i punctuated well,i said 45-35 was not enough.
Fair enough.

[jrhaden]

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[Big Studly]

I don't know how many TO's OSU had left, but at most it would've been 2 if you say that had been calling them (one say). Take a knee on first down. OSU calls timeout. Take a knee on second down. OSU calls final timeout. Take a knee on third down, hand the ball to the ref, and go shake hands at midfield. It's called class, but then again, we are talking about Stoops and Oklahoma here. Just be ready in the future when the cheap shot arrives from OSU at an opportune time.

yea, it makes total sense that Stoops is going to be "classless" and run up the score to run off to his post game interview to say "You are not going to drag me into that" when asked about stating his case for being ranked above Texas. You are just a bitter cry baby Texas fan.

The only act of classlessness that happened that night is Mack Brown calling in to moan and groan and plead his case during the game. Not surprising seeing how Texas fans are and that Brent Musburger was calling the game. I guess they take after their leader.

[Juiceweezl]

yea, it makes total sense that Stoops is going to be "classless" and run up the score to run off to his post game interview to say "You are not going to drag me into that" when asked about stating his case for being ranked above Texas. You are just a bitter cry baby Texas fan.

The only act of classlessness that happened that night is Mack Brown calling in to moan and groan and plead his case during the game. Not surprising seeing how Texas fans are and that Brent Musburger was calling the game. I guess they take after their leader.
Dude, get off it. They asked Mack to be on. They asked Stoops to make comments and be on the air at different times too. Like I said earlier, it's foolish of the coaches not to speak out for their team. I have no issues with Stoops being on Mike & Mike and ESPN (and ESPN.com videos) all week campaigning about OU. Though I was tired of hearing him say, "If you're going to forgive Florida, you have to forgive us too," it's the right thing for the coach to do. Stoops wasn't going "to be drug into that" because he already was in it from earlier in the week with the media. Speaking out for your team does not show a lack of class/sportsmanship. Not taking a knee in the closing seconds of a game does.

[Vertnut]

Dude, get off it. They asked Mack to be on. They asked Stoops to make comments and be on the air at different times too. Like I said earlier, it's foolish of the coaches not to speak out for their team. I have no issues with Stoops being on Mike & Mike and ESPN (and ESPN.com videos) all week campaigning about OU. Though I was tired of hearing him say, "If you're going to forgive Florida, you have to forgive us too," it's the right thing for the coach to do. Stoops wasn't going "to be drug into that" because he already was in it from earlier in the week with the media. Speaking out for your team does not show a lack of class/sportsmanship. Not taking a knee in the closing seconds of a game does.
It kills me that he got what he wanted, and he's STILL an ass... :cool: Fuck it, man, take the win and go with it...

[OkieJoe]

never said i punctuated well,i said 45-35 was not enough.
lol

[Big Studly]

Dude, get off it. They asked Mack to be on. They asked Stoops to make comments and be on the air at different times too. Like I said earlier, it's foolish of the coaches not to speak out for their team. I have no issues with Stoops being on Mike & Mike and ESPN (and ESPN.com videos) all week campaigning about OU. Though I was tired of hearing him say, "If you're going to forgive Florida, you have to forgive us too," it's the right thing for the coach to do. Stoops wasn't going "to be drug into that" because he already was in it from earlier in the week with the media. Speaking out for your team does not show a lack of class/sportsmanship. Not taking a knee in the closing seconds of a game does.

it is one thing to do an interview at 8:30 a.m. on an AM sports talk radio station. It is completely another to call in and do an interview, in prime time, during the only game on TV, when one of the teams you are lobbying for votes from is playing in the game. If you can't see the difference in that, you are dumber than I thought. It is classless on both parties that were involved in setting up that interview. If running a play (a running play, the same one in fact for the 3rd time in a row) with 30 seconds left, against your rival who is only up by 13, knowing everyone was talking about "style points" is classless, what Mack Brown did is scraping the bottom of the barrel of scummy. In fact, I would bet those two events probably kept/swung some votes to OU.

Stoops wasn't going to be drug into it, because earlier in the week he said to the media, he was done talking about it, and he held true to his word. You were tired of hearing the .....forgiving Florida...about as much as everyone is tired of hearing 45-35 neutral site....which apparently didn't matter in the long run.

[OkieJoe]

Saying Stoops has no class? Come on guys quit being sore losers. Mack was the one that was on every show I watched talking about head-to-head BUT having amnesia when it comes to TTU. Coming on during the OU game campaigning was classless. Stoops was asked to come on UTs game thurs night and declined, but he has no class? What was also classless was flying that banner over Boone Pickens field all day. Money well spent. How'd that turn out for you?

[OkieJoe]

It kills me that he got what he wanted, and he's STILL an ass... :cool: Fuck it, man, take the win and go with it...
How was he a ass? I never even heard him talk about the BCS deal until he was cornered and had no choice.

[Juiceweezl]

it is one thing to do an interview at 8:30 a.m. on an AM sports talk radio station. It is completely another to call in and do an interview, in prime time, during the only game on TV, when one of the teams you are lobbying for votes from is playing in the game. If you can't see the difference in that, you are dumber than I thought. It is classless on both parties that were involved in setting up that interview. If running a play (a running play, the same one in fact for the 3rd time in a row) with 30 seconds left, against your rival who is only up by 13, knowing everyone was talking about "style points" is classless, what Mack Brown did is scraping the bottom of the barrel of scummy. In fact, I would bet those two events probably kept/swung some votes to OU.

Stoops wasn't going to be drug into it, because earlier in the week he said to the media, he was done talking about it, and he held true to his word. You were tired of hearing the .....forgiving Florida...about as much as everyone is tired of hearing 45-35 neutral site....which apparently didn't matter in the long run.
This is the last time I'm quoting you as once again, you neglect facts. One, OU/OSU was not the only game on prime time. USC was on, and so was the other OSU/OU game. I'm sure there were probably even a few others on game plan and Fox sports or whatever as well. Two, both coaches were asked to be on TV/radio multiple times. Stoops took his shots after the Tech win and very early this week. he was on syndicated morning shows such as Mike & Mike and on Sportscenter as well along with the website. Mack didn't go on air campaigning then, but took the TV chance this week. As I said earlier, coaches are supposed to speak out for their team. Three, I don't give a crap if they had ran the play 30 times in a row. Not taking a knee = no class & poor sportsmanship. I'd say the same if it were UT as well. They didn't need the points, and it will come back to haunt them one day in the form of a cheap shot. I'm done.

[Big Studly]

This is the last time I'm quoting you as once again, you neglect facts. One, OU/OSU was not the only game on prime time. USC was on, and so was the other OSU/OU game. I'm sure there were probably even a few others on game plan and Fox sports or whatever as well. Two, both coaches were asked to be on TV/radio multiple times. Stoops took his shots after the Tech win and very early this week. he was on syndicated morning shows such as Mike & Mike and on Sportscenter as well along with the website. Mack didn't go on air campaigning then, but took the TV chance this week. As I said earlier, coaches are supposed to speak out for their team. Three, I don't give a crap if they had ran the play 30 times in a row. Not taking a knee = no class & poor sportsmanship. I'd say the same if it were UT as well. They didn't need the points, and it will come back to haunt them one day in the form of a cheap shot. I'm done.

yea, I am sure a lot of people were tuned in to a USC and Oregon route vs. a shootout that has severe impact on the national championship game.

If coaches are supposed to speak their mind, why are you trying to defend Brown's classlessness with Stoops going on AM radio and Cable TV to plead his case?

Mack Brown was on a national broadcast that featured the team he was lobbying against that was without a doubt the biggest game of the night. Low fucking class, but I wasn't surprised.

OU didn't need to take a knee, OSU needed to tackle a running back running up the middle. They did it all night.

LMAO at coming back to haunt them in the form of a cheap shot. It is a rivalry game you dumb ass. Oh, I can't wait for someone an Aggie to take a cheap shot on a UT player because they won by 40. UT clearly didn't need all of those points against a poor Aggie team that only put up 9 point! :rolleyes:

Don't stop replying, seeing you all butt hurt makes me laugh.

45-35 on a neutral field!

[Badass2000gt]

Dude it's called reading comprehension.......my point was, had OU beaten Texas there would have been no argument........I never said OU was the better team.
And if Texas beat Tech we wouldnt have this argument either. So what is your point dipshit?

[bcoop]

Oh, and don't be so sure you got a crappy call that gave OSU points. I'm not sure Bradford actually had the fumble on the ground or else someone couldn't have reached in with one hand and taken it away. That being said, the call was made, and replay upheld the call in that case, just as it should've been. If they had ruled it OSU ball, it wouldn't have been reversed either.



Which fumble are you talking about? Because OU got fucked on one. He was clearly down. Yet the refs gave it to OSU. OSU scored on that drive. That IS a crappy call, period.

[Vertnut]

Which fumble are you talking about? Because OU got fucked on one. He was clearly down. Yet the refs gave it to OSU. OSU scored on that drive. That IS a crappy call, period.
OU was clearly screwed on that fumble. Why wasn't it reviewed? :confused:

[bcoop]

OU was clearly screwed on that fumble. Why wasn't it reviewed? :confused:



OSU ran up to the line and got a play off so the officials didn't have time to think about it. That pissed me off. I guess I'll take it, though. OSU went on to score, but OU recovered a fumble on the 2 pt, so they gained two points, plus got the ball back, and scored on that drive.

[Big Studly]

OU was clearly screwed on that fumble. Why wasn't it reviewed? :confused:

OSU snapped the ball too quick. They had run the play before the announcers even got done running the first replay.

[Vertnut]

OSU ran up to the line and got a play off so the officials didn't have time to think about it. That pissed me off. I guess I'll take it, though. OSU went on to score, but OU recovered a fumble on the 2 pt, so they gained two points, plus got the ball back, and scored on that drive.
It was never explained, so I thought maybe a whistle had been blown or something. Probably the most blatant fuck-up I've seen in a while, and could have had serious ramifications.

[bcoop]

It was never explained, so I thought maybe a whistle had been blown or something. Probably the most blatant fuck-up I've seen in a while, and could have had serious ramifications.



Luckily OU made it a non issue. Gundy's not stupid. I bet he set some kind of record getting the offense on the field, in formation, and the ball snapped following a turnover. He knew if it went to review, he was screwed.


You better believe if the game had been won by OSU, by 7 or less, Stoops would have been demading the rolling of heads, and rightfully so. Luckily, it didn't come down to that.

[stock85]

And if Texas beat Tech we wouldnt have this argument either. So what is your point dipshit?

It's useless trying to talk your dumbass........it's hard for you to follow isn't it........my point.......again........was if OU didn't jump Texas, I wouldn't be mad because they had the chance to settle it on the field........