Good bye Bush, Hello Russia.

[Shaithis]

Well not even 24 hrs into this, Russia is poking us with a stick. 5 nuclear regiments are being put back into service and stationed on their western border. They are blaming us for the Georgia conflict, and have claimed they will jam our missle defense systems. Anyone want to speculate on how this will play out?

[KJ94GT]

Link?

[Shaithis]

Link?

I was watching fox news when i heard it. But here is a link to something similar:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,447204,00.html

[Shaithis]

Ok, here is the link to the full story.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,447204,00.html

[Up0n0ne]

As well as of today :

IRAN WARNS U.S. NOT TO VIOLATE IRANIAN AIRSPACE

November 5, 2008

Reuters reports: “Iran's military has warned U.S. forces in Iraq that U.S. helicopters had been spotted flying close to the Iranian border and that Tehran would respond to any violation of its airspace, state radio reported on Wednesday.

The statement from Iran's army headquarters comes just hours after Americans elected their next president, Barack Obama, who has said he would toughen sanctions on Iran but has also held out the possibility of direct talks with Tehran.

The warning also followed a raid by U.S. forces into Syria last month, a move that was condemned by Damascus and Tehran.

‘In the statement, it says recently it has been seen that American army helicopters were flying a small distance from Iraq's border with Iran and, because of the closeness to the border, the danger of them violating Iran's border is possible,’ state radio said, quoting the army statement.

‘Iran's armed forces will respond to any violation,’ it said…”


HAMAS FIRES OVER 35 ROCKETS TOWARDS ISRAEL
November 5, 2008

Reuters reports: “Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip fired more than 35 rockets toward Israel Wednesday, the army and the Islamist group said, hours after the Israeli army killed six militants in the coastal territory.

An Israeli police spokesman said the rockets landed in southern Israel, causing no damage or injuries.

Hamas claimed responsibility for the attacks, the first such announcement by the Islamist group since an Egyptian-brokered ceasefire with Israel went into effect on June 19.

Palestinian officials said they had been informed by Israel that all commercial border crossings with the Gaza Strip would remain closed Wednesday in response to the rocket attacks.

Israeli airstrikes killed five militants and Israeli soldiers shot dead a gunman during an incursion into the Gaza Strip Tuesday.

The army said it launched the airstrikes after militants attacked soldiers who entered the Gaza Strip to destroy a tunnel that Hamas had planned to use to kidnap Israeli soldiers.

The latest violence could jeopardize Egyptian efforts to extend the fragile ceasefire in the Gaza Strip and further complicate Cairo's efforts to secure the release of an Israeli soldier kidnapped by Hamas two years ago.

Hamas has said it would release soldier Gilad Shalit in return for hundreds of Palestinians held by Israel for their involvement in violent attacks against Israeli civilians during a Palestinian uprising…”

[Mr Majestyk]

Well not even 24 hrs into this, Russia is poking us with a stick. 5 nuclear regiments are being put back into service and stationed on their western border. They are blaming us for the Georgia conflict, and have claimed they will jam our missle defense systems. Anyone want to speculate on how this will play out?

Hugo Chavez will be welcoming Russian nukes into Venezuela within the next two years.

[jones4stangs]

Well not even 24 hrs into this, Russia is poking us with a stick. 5 nuclear regiments are being put back into service and stationed on their western border. They are blaming us for the Georgia conflict, and have claimed they will jam our missle defense systems. Anyone want to speculate on how this will play out?
The missile shield is all President Bush. Russia has already said they were going to publicly re-point their missiles back at Europe.

No doubt, Obama will have to deal with a more aggressive Russia.

[Yale]

Fuck Russia.

[Casper]

Fuck Russia.

EB Ruckbiue. Xobemuu.

(yob roo-skee-yeh. hxov-yem-ee.)

[Miss D]

The missile shield is all President Bush. Russia has already said they were going to publicly re-point their missiles back at Europe.

No doubt, Obama will have to deal with a more aggressive Russia.


The blame has already started :eek:

[Mr Majestyk]

The missile shield is all President Bush. Russia has already said they were going to publicly re-point their missiles back at Europe.

No doubt, Obama will have to deal with a more aggressive Russia.

Actually, the missile shield concept was hatched during the Reagan Administration. Your knowledge of history fits that of your messiah well, you can't remember anything past the end of your nose that doesn't fit your agenda.

No doubt, Obama will get bitch-slapped by a more aggressive Russia.

[iDIDurGF04]

"Things have changed in the past eight years. It is unlikely that Putin, now Russia’s prime minister but still the country’s most powerful man, will be kept waiting when his aides call America to arrange a meeting with the new president.

Nor will Putin be as ingratiating and eager to please. Then he was the president of a broken, penurious country trying to find its place in a world utterly dominated by the United States. Today he steers a country eager to reassert itself and ready to challenge America at a time when US influence seems to many in Moscow to be on the wane.

No longer the supplicant, Russia is likely to try to test the new administration, probing its weaknesses in an attempt to humiliate its old Cold War foe."

Uk Telegraph

[Mustangman_2000]

The shit is hitting the fan and we've got a liberal pacifist POTUS-elect on deck.

Yippee. Fun times ahead.

[Sean88gt]

The shit is hitting the fan and we've got a liberal pacifist POTUS-elect on deck.

Yippee. Fun times ahead.

When your government can't protect you, be prepared to defend yourself.

I'll be prepping up. ;)

[98COBRA#770]

I hope the flower power ass wipes are happy!


Sorry but there is no defense when nukes are in play when it comes too you and I.

[jones4stangs]

Actually, the missile shield concept was hatched during the Reagan Administration. Your knowledge of history fits that of your messiah well, you can't remember anything past the end of your nose that doesn't fit your agenda.

No doubt, Obama will get bitch-slapped by a more aggressive Russia.
Ok, so the "concept" is not new. You want to attach the current program to the Cold War program? I'm so gullible, I thought we were now concerned with missiles coming from rouge nations. I missed the Presidents statement of how the purpose of this new shield was to defeat Russian ballistic missiles. So, what you’re saying is the Russian are currently justified in viewing this as a threat to them.

[Mr Majestyk]

Russia, as well as the rest of Europe, knows now that no missile defense system will be deployed by the next administration. They are now free to do pretty much as they please, knowing that the new U.S. admiinistration and congress will do nothing. Given that no defense system will be deployed, what exactly are you proposing that Russia views as a threat?

[Got5onIt]

The world is going into high guard because they know Bush is not the usual "lame duck" president. He's a loaded "lame duck". I guarantee everyone of those middle eastern countries aren't sleeping well at the moment.
Tensions will be somewhat relieved when the new regime steps in at DC.

[jones4stangs]

Russia, as well as the rest of Europe, knows now that no missile defense system will be deployed by the next administration. They are now free to do pretty much as they please, knowing that the new U.S. admiinistration and congress will do nothing. Given that no defense system will be deployed, what exactly are you proposing that Russia views as a threat?
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2008/aug/108659.htm

On August 20, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Poland’s Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski signed in Warsaw the Agreement Between the Government of the United States of America and the Government of the Republic of Poland Concerning the Deployment of Ground-Based Ballistic Missile Defense Interceptors in the Territory of the Republic of Poland. This legally-binding agreement calls for the establishment and operation of a U.S. ballistic missile defense (BMD) interceptor facility in Poland.

No deployment? This program looks like a go to me.

http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Obama_says_missile_shield_cannot_target_Russia_Pol ands_Sikorski_999.html

Sept 11, 2008
US Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama has said he will only proceed with installing a US missile shield base in Poland if it does not target Russia, Poland's foreign minister said Thursday.
"In talks with me, senator Obama made the realisation of our (missile shield) agreement conditional on whether he will be certain that the system is not aimed against Russia," Radoslaw Sikorski said at a joint press conference in Warsaw with Russian counterpart Sergei Larvov.

I hope he cancels the whole missile shield program in Europe. I don't know how we are profiting from this venture. What are we gaining by pissing off the Russians on this issue? Did we sell the War on Terror to our allies by promising NATO a missile defense? Nevertheless, it seems more likely that Obama will stay on the current course.

[Miss D]

Good God Where in the world did you grow up Japan or China or Iran

[Mr Majestyk]

Russia will threaten Obama and he'll pull the plug on it. They know that the U.S. will not be standing in their way now should they decide to return to the days of yore when they were the only major player in Eastern Europe. Oh, and unlike the liberal electorate in this country, they also won't give a fuck when Obama and his crybaby congress cries racist.

Not only that, expect Russia to directly expand their influence militarily in the West by virtue of their new buddy in SA.

[thesource]

Its no surprise , most of could this coming from a mile away .

[Casper]

US Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama has said he will only proceed with installing a US missile shield base in Poland if it does not target Russia, Poland's foreign minister said Thursday.
"In talks with me, senator Obama made the realisation of our (missile shield) agreement conditional on whether he will be certain that the system is not aimed against Russia," Radoslaw Sikorski said at a joint press conference in Warsaw with Russian counterpart Sergei Larvov.


Now why do people try and put Palin down when Obama is clearly the idiot here?

He is so "qualified" that he doen't even understand how a sheild is not pointed at anything. What a fucking dumbass. Almost as stupid as using this to bolster any agreement with him on this.

[Mr Majestyk]

No one's ever claimed that obama possesses any semblance of knowledge about military systems.

[Casper]

No one's ever claimed that obama possesses any semblance of knowledge about military systems.

But he was editor of the Harvard Law Review, how could he be stupid? Unless he was a token dumbass on the affirmative action gravy train...

I was reading peices of the only three known thesis papers from his law school days. While they were a little better than smackatorum standard English, they weren't that good. Not top of the class good.

I also suspect considerable plaigarism, especially when he has apparently approved the title of "professor" in his bio, when he never was a professor.

fraud and idiocy, aka douchebaggery and dumbasserey

[Mr Majestyk]

Personality traits a democrat finds very useful in furthering his/her political ca-rear

[Casper]

Personality traits a democrat finds very useful in furthering his/her political ca-rear

I wouldn't limit it to democrats.

[black90gt]

Has anyone been keeping up with Russia and Venezuela? They've planning/having war games over there with Russia recently, plus buying a crapload of arms.

Oh and Venezuela launched a satellite last week

[5.0 svo]

edit

[line-em-up]

Well not even 24 hrs into this,

24 hours into what?

[mikeb]

Bottom line is we elected a pussy/pacifist and certain countries are feeling froggy.

I look for much more crap from russia, venezuela, and cuba in the near future.

[black01gt]

Bottom line is we elected a pussy/pacifist and certain countries are feeling froggy.

I look for much more crap from russia, venezuela, and cuba in the near future.
Intimidated by Cuba?

[BP]

24 hours into what?


Check the date of the post, Nov. 5th.

I see it as an oppurtunity to kill a rat (Chavez) and spread freedom to South American countries:)

[mikeb]

Intimidated by Cuba?

I look for cuba to buddy up with the russians and get some of their military hardware.

[black01gt]

I look for cuba to buddy up with the russians and get some of their military hardware.
That's been tried before and got nowhere. But we were a bonafide superpower with actual leaders then...:angryfire:

[CJD]

His reputation is of someone who's just going to "let things go", and the world knows it. He was particularly soft when it comes to Iran. Look for Iran to start some shit too, just to see what he does.

[5.0 svo]

He needs to start making some threats to atleast make them think he will do something.

[CJD]

Yeah, right. You see how the rest of the world gushed over him? How the Europeans gushed over him when he went there? Well, we all know how big of a pussy Europeans are, and always have been going back to before the first World War. So if you have the Europeans supporting you, then you KNOW that you're in trouble and that you have a reputation of a pussy.

[GhostTX]

http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Obama_says_missile_shield_cannot_target_Russia_Pol ands_Sikorski_999.html

Sept 11, 2008
US Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama has said he will only proceed with installing a US missile shield base in Poland if it does not target Russia, Poland's foreign minister said Thursday.
"In talks with me, senator Obama made the realisation of our (missile shield) agreement conditional on whether he will be certain that the system is not aimed against Russia," Radoslaw Sikorski said at a joint press conference in Warsaw with Russian counterpart Sergei Larvov.

LMAO...he doesn't even know how the system works. Its a defense system targeting incoming anything from anywhere.
http://www.howstuffworks.com/missile-defense.htm

[Fox466]

Don't point that shield at me!

[Bubbaearl]

as long as the price of oil stays below 50 chauvez the pig is fucked. like russia he has written checks at 90 a barrel . without oil they will implode once again. the eu is already looking for a way to tell russia to shove their oil and gas . the cold war will be fought with oil prices. iraq will become a major player in the next 5 years which will fuck up irans plan . when chauvez runs out of cash to hand out he'll be toast ( we're the only ones who pay for our oil ) . russia will not have the cash to hand out either . IF we can wean off oil some we can cripple these bastards without firing a shot.

[5.0 svo]

as long as the price of oil stays below 50 chauvez the pig is fucked. like russia he has written checks at 90 a barrel . without oil they will implode once again. the eu is already looking for a way to tell russia to shove their oil and gas . the cold war will be fought with oil prices. iraq will become a major player in the next 5 years which will fuck up irans plan . when chauvez runs out of cash to hand out he'll be toast ( we're the only ones who pay for our oil ) . russia will not have the cash to hand out either . IF we can wean off oil some we can cripple these bastards without firing a shot.

I agree 100%. Stop needing their oil and they have nothing.

[Sean88gt]

as long as the price of oil stays below 50 chauvez the pig is fucked. like russia he has written checks at 90 a barrel . without oil they will implode once again. the eu is already looking for a way to tell russia to shove their oil and gas . the cold war will be fought with oil prices. iraq will become a major player in the next 5 years which will fuck up irans plan . when chauvez runs out of cash to hand out he'll be toast ( we're the only ones who pay for our oil ) . russia will not have the cash to hand out either . IF we can wean off oil some we can cripple these bastards without firing a shot.

Drill here, drill now.
Just need to convince the liberals that our being top dog is vital to national security.

[Vertnut]

Drill here, drill now.
Just need to convince the liberals that our being top dog is vital to national security.

Exactly. Now is the perfect time to bury the bastards. If oil were truly a national security issue, we wouldn't be relying on the rest of the world to supply us with it. As I've said many times, let them eat that shit for about 5 years, and lets see how many indoor ski resorts and elaborate beach resorts Dubai can build.

[Bubbaearl]

do you think the surge in oil prices last year was just because of greedy oil companies ? that it was just by accident that it is bringing down the very regimes who have been causing the most trouble ? that the world economies have tanked because of it ? the usa has weathered steep down turns before and came out on top. it took over 10 years and huge oil profits to pull russia out of the shitter , with out oil and gas they would still be there. there is way more going on here than meets the eye . to even begin at understand it you must look at the whole picture and history. bottom line is you screw with our economy and we'll bury your ass just by tightening our belts a knotch . first just imagine how much money they loose daily at 50 a barrel and how fast they are using their cash reserves . remember they wrote checks at 90 . if oil is kept under or right at 50 a barrel thru summer they are toast.

if it will bury that fucking chauvez the pig i'll fucking walk !!

[Miss D]

do you think the surge in oil prices last year was just because of greedy oil companies ? that it was just by accident that it is bringing down the very regimes who have been causing the most trouble ? that the world economies have tanked because of it ? the usa has weathered steep down turns before and came out on top. it took over 1pid tu0 years and huge oil profits to pull russia out of the shitter , with out oil and gas they would still be there. there is way more going on here than meets the eye . to even begin at understand it you must look at the whole picture and history. bottom line is you screw with our economy and we'll bury your ass just by tightening our belts a knotch . first just imagine how much money they loose daily at 50 a barrel and how fast they are using their cash reserves . remember they wrote checks at 90 . if oil is kept under or right at 50 a barrel thru summer they are toast.

if it will bury that fucking chauvez the pig i'll fucking walk !!

Did anyone see 60 Minutes Sunday evening It sounded like our own banks ran the price of gas up with their buying large amounts of fuel and then runing the price up on paper. God Bless American Bankers They make me sick:headache:

[GhostTX]

Did anyone see 60 Minutes Sunday evening It sounded like our own banks ran the price of gas up with their buying large amounts of fuel and then runing the price up on paper. God Bless American Bankers They make me sick:headache:
Oil price increase was speculation. I'm glad 60 minutes is bringing it more to the forefront.

http://www.dfwstangs.net/forums/showthread.php?t=380573

[Bubbaearl]

speculation is what wall street is about. it's how commodities are traded . where do you think the large hedge funds got their money ? once prices started jumping i'll bet there was plenty of oil profits from the east pouring into the market. just think back to the hunt brothers and silver .

[GhostTX]

speculation is what wall street is about. it's how commodities are traded . where do you think the large hedge funds got their money ? once prices started jumping i'll bet there was plenty of oil profits from the east pouring into the market. just think back to the hunt brothers and silver .
The original point of speculation was about planning and budgeting for selling and deliveries of future goods. What the funds/banks were doing was artificially manipulating the prices just to turn a profit with no intent to actually buy the oil (take physical delivery of). That's where I have a problem with it.

[Bubbaearl]

as was everyone else. and that is what happens. everybody wants a piece . it's always been this way . always will . unless they change the rules it's the way it's done .

[Bubbaearl]

and nobody takes delivery of a million barrels of oil. so to speak until it reaches a customer. traders work on paper .

[564826]

To understand the Russians agressive stand, you would need to know about the Five Stans.