enjoy fighting Obama's wars, forced service in the future for ALL

[jyro]

OBAMA: And when my grandfather came back, he came back to a G.I. bill that was going to pay for his college education and FHA loans that would help them purchase a home. There was that sense of sacred obligation that, frankly, we have lost during these last two wars.

I want to restore that.

But it’s also important that a president speaks to military service as an obligation not just of some, but of many. You know, I traveled, obviously, a lot over the last 19 months. And if you go to small towns, throughout the Midwest or the Southwest or the South, every town has tons of young people who are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. That’s not always the case in other parts of the country, in more urban centers. And I think it’s important for the president to say, this is an important obligation. If we are going into war, then all of us go, not just some.

http://www.clipsandcomment.com/2008/09/11/transcript-servicenation-presidential-forum-at-columbia-university/

[Slowhand]

Yet he wants to decrease military spending? Interesting. Didn't have time to read the whole deal, so I'm not sure of the context to be fair.

That said, I don't oppose involuntary servitude in our military; Lord knows my lazy ass generation could use it (myself included).

[Trip McNeely]

I thought Obamas plan of action was to hold hands, and sing with the terrorists and dictators of sovereign nations.

[FreightTrain]

Oh well I'm over the draft age. :) Plus the last time they did have a draft they excluded railroaders so I'm safe on both accounts.


Seriously though, when I look back I wish I had joined the military. I think it would have been a very good experience.

[Slowhand]

I thought Obamas plan of action was to hold hands, and sing with the terrorists and dictators of sovereign nations.

Kind of like Hands Across America, but around the globe with terrible, horrible people?

[SlowLX]

FUCK conscription. I don't want someone watching my back who doesn't want to be there.

[Geor!]

I thought Obamas plan of action was to hold hands, and sing with the terrorists and dictators of sovereign nations.
Kinda like "We Are the World" with more bombs and less soul.

[jyro]

OBAMA: Well, there’s no doubt that if there are wars going on and some are being asked to sacrifice their lives, that I think you have to ask yourself, why them instead of you? And so I think there are special obligations during wartime.

But we need military — we always have potential conflicts around the world, and our military has to remain strong and ready. And so I want to encourage military service, as well as other ways of serving, regardless of whether there’s war or not.

But I do think that over the last several years, the fact that the burden has been shouldered by such a narrow group is a problem.

Obama-- I believe firmly that government should expand avenues of opportunity. I want to create an energy corps, a clean energy corps that can mobilize individual citizens to help create greater energy efficiency in our country.

What does this mean for race cars!

[Shaithis]

And its not limited to military. He's mentioned a mandatory 1 year public service for college students. When i read about it, first thought was hitler youth.

[jyro]

QUOTE=Shaithis]And its not limited to military. He's mentioned a mandatory 1 year public service for college students. When i read about it, first thought was hitler youth.[/QUOTE]

I hope all that vote him in realize what the changes will be.

[gpamp]

Kinda like "We Are the World" with more bombs and less soul.
So, Michael Jackson's out on that one?

[poopnut2]

FUCK conscription. I don't want someone watching my back who doesn't want to be there.

Did you actually read the transcript? It's a very broad statement.

OBAMA: Again, I think that inspiring young people to serve is something that the president is uniquely positioned to do.

Now, it doesn’t always have to be service in uniform. One of the things, that if you talk to our generals, they are desperate for, is a civilian counterpart to our military forces.

Our military is the best in the world, but they are asked to do so many different things because our civilian operations, our State Department, USAID have been underfunded, have atrophied.

And for us to say, serve in the military, but if that’s not where you want to serve, learn a foreign language and go into the foreign service. And by the way, we will deploy you in some difficult areas, but that’s part of what it means to be an American and to serve and to sacrifice.

[forever_frost]

You know, because Franken'bama served and sacrificed so much...

[gpamp]

You know, because Franken'bama served and sacrificed so much...
As much or more than Bush?

[Taylor]

As much or more than Bush?

That's irrelevant. Bush isn't declaring that military service be mandatory nor college students be required to serve for one year.

[5.0_CJ]

As much or more than Bush?

obviously less. Bush served, they didn't. Not a very informed statement.

[Vertnut]

obviously less. Bush served, they didn't. Not a very informed statement.
One of many for that cock-bite... ;)

[gpamp]

obviously less. Bush served, they didn't. Not a very informed statement.
I'm pretty sure the term was "sacrifice". Not "served".

[HOOCBB]

I'm pretty sure the term was "sacrifice". Not "served".

Go back and read it cockmunch...Hell, I'll even quote it for you here...

You know, because Franken'bama served and sacrificed so much...

[BreedLove]

I don't think he's saying he's going to start a draft, more along the lines of if we go to war then the entire country will go to war. That there will be support, and not all the stuff there is right now, where a ton of people don't support us being overseas right now.

[5.0_CJ]

Go back and read it cockmunch...Hell, I'll even quote it for you here...

that's probably the end of gpamp's posts in this thread if I were to guess.

[gpamp]

that's probably the end of gpamp's posts in this thread if I were to guess.
It still serves no point. The day Republicans can admit that they were wrong about George W. Bush will be the day that I care about their opinions.

[5.0_CJ]

It still serves no point.

exactly, despite the fact that I made a point and completely nullified your post, your retort is a bush jab - if your post served no point, then you acknowledge it was nothing more than a childish jab with no purpose - clearly now it has none for you since it was completely misinformed. You're doomed to not care about anyone's opinions but your own forever.

The day Republicans can admit that they were wrong about George W. Bush will be the day that I care about their opinions.

nar·row-mind·ed [nar-oh-mahyn-did] –adjective : not receptive to new ideas; having a closed mind.

[Shaithis]

I don't think he's saying he's going to start a draft, more along the lines of if we go to war then the entire country will go to war. That there will be support, and not all the stuff there is right now, where a ton of people don't support us being overseas right now.

Look into his "mandatory public service" proposal. It has Obama Youth written all over it. And if it happens, imagine this happening, the youth are indoctrinated in all things Obama holds dear. Then send them out into the world to spread the love, or disease if you will. Its already unfolding as we speak. :(

/lays tinfoil hat back on table.

[mustangguy289]

I got a better solution.. if you are a male and you file for welfare or uneployment for your family,( allowing that the reason is not for physical/mental diasbility) you are signed up for the army.

1 of two things will happen

we will have a lot more people in the army
or we will have a lot less people collecting welfare/unemployment.

[5.0_CJ]

I got a better solution.. if you are a male and you file for welfare or uneployment for your family,( allowing that the reason is not for physical/mental diasbility) you are signed up for the army.

1 of two things will happen

we will have a lot more people in the army
or we will have a lot less people collecting welfare/unemployment.

its funny.

Welfare breeds democrats.

Military breeds republicans.

which one teaches values?

[Big Thumper]

It still serves no point. The day Republicans can admit that they were wrong about George W. Bush will be the day that I care about their opinions.

I was having a little pity on you in another thread, where these guys where beating up on you about your music.

Then you go a post stupid shit like this and I can understand why they do it. Quit reaching.

[Big Thumper]

I got a better solution.. if you are a male and you file for welfare or uneployment for your family,( allowing that the reason is not for physical/mental diasbility) you are signed up for the army.

1 of two things will happen

we will have a lot more people in the army
or we will have a lot less people collecting welfare/unemployment.

Damn...that is a GOOD idea.

[Blown03_GT]

Damn...that is a GOOD idea.
It actually does sound like a pretty good idea.

[gpamp]

nar·row-mind·ed [nar-oh-mahyn-did] –adjective : not receptive to new ideas; having a closed mind.
Because you're open minded? I'm pretty sure that's not accurate.

[Bubbaearl]

i see nothing wrong with the draft . it was part of life growing up. it was expected from you to serve your country.

[HOOCBB]

i see nothing wrong with the draft . it was part of life growing up. it was expected from you to serve your country.

While I don't want to see the draft reinstated, I'll go if called upon.

[one slow 5.0]

I got a better solution.. if you are a male and you file for welfare or uneployment for your family,( allowing that the reason is not for physical/mental diasbility) you are signed up for the army.

1 of two things will happen

we will have a lot more people in the army
or we will have a lot less people collecting welfare/unemployment.
how about adding high school dropouts to the list

[Weslie]

Free food, healthcare, rent, utilities in exchange for service in the military? Doesn't sound like a bad deal.

[HOOCBB]

Free food, healthcare, rent, utilities in exchange for service in the military? Doesn't sound like a bad deal.

and you get to blow shit up!! What could be better?

[Weslie]

and you get to blow shit up!! What could be better?That's not really my thing, but I can see how some might be persuaded...

[5.0_CJ]

Because you're open minded? I'm pretty sure that's not accurate.

never been accused of being narrow minded, I consider myself pretty accepting to other peoples opinions.

[Trip McNeely]

See, but gpampers would never go for a draft. His hippie ass would burn his draft card and flee to Canada. Liberals have no balls, they just run when problems arise, or blame someone else.

[5.0_CJ]

Liberalism: a product of conservative success.

(title of my thesis paper)

[gpamp]

Liberalism: a product of conservative success.

(title of my thesis paper)
I like "Conservatism: You're footing the bill."

[bullet]

I like "Conservatism: You're footing the bill."


I thought his thesis was


"Borrow now, let your grandkids pay later"

[thesource]

Free food, healthcare, rent, utilities in exchange for service in the military? Doesn't sound like a bad deal.


They have a place like that for most of the Obama supporters as well . Its called prison ........

[5.0_CJ]

I like "Conservatism: You're footing the bill."

footing the bill = responsibility.

[gpamp]

footing the bill = responsibility.
no, "footing the bill = the middle & lower class pay taxes so the upper class doesn't have to."

[5.0_CJ]

no, "footing the bill = the middle & lower class pay taxes so the upper class doesn't have to."

It's time you get that education you complain don't have time for.

The latest data show that a big portion of the federal income tax burden is shouldered by a small group of the very richest Americans. The wealthiest 1 percent of the population earn 19 percent of the income but pay 37 percent of the income tax. The top 10 percent pay 68 percent of the tab. Meanwhile, the bottom 50 percent—those below the median income level—now earn 13 percent of the income but pay just 3 percent of the taxes.

http://jadefalcon.shackspace.com/Pics/Funny/graph.jpg

http://www.american.com/graphics/2007/november/RIch%20Pay%20More%20Under%20Bush%20Tax%20Cut.jpg

you need to understand the shit you talk about.

[Trip McNeely]

Why should a hard working person who has worked all his/her life to get to where they are have to give some piece of shit lazy ass ANY of their earnings? Yeah that makes a lot of sense. You liberals all want hand outs. You're too lazy to find new ways to make money, instead you want to tax the fuck out of the wealthy whom most of all have worked hard all their life just to have it taken away. Fuck you.

[jyro]

He said ALL

[Trip McNeely]

Im just going to go on welfare and suck the governments teet. Just like everyone who wants to vote for Obama.

[Mr Majestyk]

OBAMA: And when my grandfather came back, he came back to a G.I. bill that was going to pay for his college education and FHA loans that would help them purchase a home. There was that sense of sacred obligation that, frankly, we have lost during these last two wars.

I want to restore that.

But it’s also important that a president speaks to military service as an obligation not just of some, but of many. You know, I traveled, obviously, a lot over the last 19 months. And if you go to small towns, throughout the Midwest or the Southwest or the South, every town has tons of young people who are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. That’s not always the case in other parts of the country, in more urban centers. And I think it’s important for the president to say, this is an important obligation. If we are going into war, then all of us go, not just some.

"All" except his own sorry ass that is......

[Weslie]

They have a place like that for most of the Obama supporters as well . Its called prison ........Wow, so now most Dems/Liberals that don't support a Republican candidate belong in prison? I am much more of a liberal than a conservative, but I don't agree with everything on the Democratic side, nor do I disagree with everything on the Republican side. I just don't understand how people can spew so much hatred for others than don't share their political views.

Im just going to go on welfare and suck the governments teet. Just like everyone who wants to vote for Obama. Everyone, huh? Like Warren Buffet? It's funny, because most of the people I know that accept government handouts are voting for McCain. Granted, their reasoning isn't logical, but their vote still counts just as much as yours and mine.

And as for me, my vote in this election isn't about which candidate will give me a handout. It's about who will do the most good with my tax dollars. We can agree to disagree on that, but the fact of the matter is that if you're not willing to step in and help solve a problem (i.e. welfare reform) no matter who wins this election, you should stop complaining about it. While McCain might not raise your taxes, he also doesn't have any major plans to reform the welfare system in this country. That is a problem.

[Sean88gt]

I'm just hoping that Obama will volunteer as a human lawn dart.

He could serve by doing what other terrorists do and strap a backpack on. The military could honor his wish by sending him out over Afghanistan into a hot bed of activity.