Gpamp can we make a deal?

[mustangguy289]

If Obama wins good for you and you shut the fuck up!

But if Obama loses, you must promise to remove yourself from this website.

[Trip McNeely]

Sounds like a viable bet. Win/Win situation.

[slow99]

I say he posts a video of himself doing the truffle shuffle.

[FreightTrain]

He'd never go for that. In 3 years its going to be funny to hear what the liberals have to say. I wonder how they are going to react after they get a good dose of their own medicine. :cool:

[bcoop]

I say he posts a video of himself doing the truffle shuffle.



I bet he does that on stage anyways. Nothing he does, could be more embarassing than playing in a shitty band, and he's already got that covered.

[GAP]

And if Mccain wins you'll all do the same? :cool:

[mustangguy289]

And if Mccain wins you'll all do the same? :cool:
U and gpamp will have fun then lol

[gpamp]

I bet he does that on stage anyways. Nothing he does, could be more embarassing than playing in a shitty band, and he's already got that covered.
Haha! More musings from a failure!

Why should I leave? 90% of the people in here voted for Bush, and in my eyes, are responsible for the economic turmoil in our country. Not to mention thousands of dead American soldiers.

How about this. You guys admit that you were wrong in 2000 AND in 2004, then leave.

It's not really a bet, but it would be sweet.

[01WhiteCobra]

Why should I leave? 90% of the people in here voted for Bush, and in my eyes, are responsible for the economic turmoil in our country.

Horseshit.

If you haven't figured out how to make money... don't blame Bush.

I'll make money with Bush in office, or Obama. Might be a different game, but I'll make money.

[sonic03gt]

How about this. You guys admit that you were wrong in 2000 AND in 2004, then leave.
If Clinton had taken out Bin Laden instead of getting his knob polished by a fat chick, thousands of lives would have been spared and the economy would be booming.

[01WhiteCobra]

If Clinton had taken out Bin Laden instead of getting his knob polished by a fat chick, thousands of lives would have been spared and the economy would be booming.

Come on now. Cycles happen, shit happens.

The economy loves bubbles, the economy consumes bubbles and new bubbles happen.

[sonic03gt]

Come on now. Cycles happen, shit happens.

The economy loves bubbles, the economy consumes bubbles and new bubbles happen.


Sure thing... But I can always point out the obvious as an argument. He can't blame everything on Bush. ;)

[01WhiteCobra]

Sure thing... But I can always point out the obvious as an argument. He can't blame everything on Bush. ;)

Can't blame Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy... etc, etc.

If you blame you also have to give credit but it is not the reason. The money in this country isn't controlled by the President. At best he is a cheerleader for the economy... nothing more.

[Slammy]

White cobra i have a question, if you were fined $50,000 per illegal would you go out of business? I know nothing about what your business is but im curious.

[racrguy]

White cobra i have a question, if you were fined $50,000 per illegal would you go out of business? I know nothing about what your business is but im curious.
Just from browsing the boards and listening, I'd venture to say no. He's a partner/owner of an IT company (amongst other things), best I can tell.

[Slammy]

thats cool, i didnt know what he did. I was just wondering.

[gpamp]

Its strange to me, why some want me to leave.

98% of the people on this site are right-wingers. I'm part of the 2% that isn't. So, I disagree with most of you a lot of the time. I'm the minority in here. I'm ok with that. But for some reason, the majority in here can't STAND to have 2% that disagree with them. "Curse the gods!!!" that 1 person disagrees with 200 people. It seems as though the attitude of those who want me to leave is "I can't live knowing there's someone who disagrees with me, out there. GO AWAY!!! My opinion isn't safe with you disagreeing with me all the time!"

I'm one person. If you can't handle that, then you need to go suckle mommy some more, and pray that her milk has gotten stronger.

[sc281_99-0135]

Its strange to me, why some want me to leave.

98% of the people on this site are right-wingers. I'm part of the 2% that isn't. So, I disagree with most of you a lot of the time. I'm the minority in here. I'm ok with that. But for some reason, the majority in here can't STAND to have 2% that disagree with them. "Curse the gods!!!" that 1 person disagrees with 200 people. It seems as though the attitude of those who want me to leave is "I can't live knowing there's someone who disagrees with me, out there. GO AWAY!!! My opinion isn't safe with you disagreeing with me all the time!"

I'm one person. If you can't handle that, then you need to go suckle mommy some more, and pray that her milk has gotten stronger.

If youre gonna whine like a pu$$y about being in the minority and throw bullshit statistics our way, make sure your math is correct.

youre a fvcking moron.

[gpamp]

If youre gonna whine like a pu$$y about being in the minority and throw bullshit statistics our way, make sure your math is correct.

youre a fvcking moron.
Haha. Idiot.

It's called an estimate. I'm not doing a survey of every person here, and I wasn't going for perfect math. I was simply showing the ridiculousness of going after the smallest minority on the board.

It's good you missed the point, based on a technicality. Otherwise, you're idiot ass might've learned something.

[5.0_CJ]

Not to mention thousands of dead American soldiers.

the shit that comes out of your mouth.

[Sean88gt]

He adds a lot of interesting, completely factless drama.

[Vertnut]

the shit that comes out of your mouth.
You are not kidding. He's more vile and disrespectful then anyone I've seen on here in 7 years. At least he's not hiding his communistic belief's. I'd rather know my enemy...

[gpamp]

You are not kidding. He's more vile and disrespectful then anyone I've seen on here in 7 years. At least he's not hiding his communistic belief's. I'd rather know my enemy...
Communistic? Ugh. You and the Republican talking points.

I'm no more a communist, than you are a nazi.

[HOOCBB]

Its strange to me, why some want me to leave.

98% of the people on this site are right-wingers. I'm part of the 2% that isn't. So, I disagree with most of you a lot of the time. I'm the minority in here. I'm ok with that. But for some reason, the majority in here can't STAND to have 2% that disagree with them. "Curse the gods!!!" that 1 person disagrees with 200 people. It seems as though the attitude of those who want me to leave is "I can't live knowing there's someone who disagrees with me, out there. GO AWAY!!! My opinion isn't safe with you disagreeing with me all the time!"

I'm one person. If you can't handle that, then you need to go suckle mommy some more, and pray that her milk has gotten stronger.

I'm tired of the 2% of the American public getting things changed to the way THEY want it just because they have special interests (gay, black, hispanic, whatever)...WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO "OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE"? All of these issues generated by the 2% should be voted on by the 100%...instead of some dumbass politicians voting for something because they don't want to offend their party...

Oh, but that wouldn't be the Communism/Socialism that the Democrats want us to go to...

For you to say that I am responsible for our soldiers deaths is an outrage. I voted for Bush because he was the better candidate than Gore and Kerry combined. Bush has made an effort to protect our national security whereas Klinton didn't pursue the true backers of the 93 WTC bombing. If Klinton had done his part, we wouldn't be in the shape we are in today.

To pull out of Iraq now without finishing the job would be a national security failure. The Islamic Extremists we are fighting there will claim victory and then bring the fight to our soil. I don't want that, and that is a big reason why I am voting for McCain.

What I really can't stand is these dumbasses (including Gpamp and GAP) that are voting for Oblackma don't know how to think for themselves or think they were "born to vote this way" just because of their race. Yet if I vocally say I am voting for McCain, them I'm a racist? FUCK THAT!

[Jimbo]

Its strange to me, why some want me to leave.

98% of the people on this site are right-wingers. I'm part of the 2% that isn't. So, I disagree with most of you a lot of the time. I'm the minority in here. I'm ok with that. But for some reason, the majority in here can't STAND to have 2% that disagree with them. "Curse the gods!!!" that 1 person disagrees with 200 people. It seems as though the attitude of those who want me to leave is "I can't live knowing there's someone who disagrees with me, out there. GO AWAY!!! My opinion isn't safe with you disagreeing with me all the time!"

I'm one person. If you can't handle that, then you need to go suckle mommy some more, and pray that her milk has gotten stronger.

It isn't the opportunity to debate with an intelligent informed opposition that that they are shying from, I am near certain that this is still welcome here. It's you, and your constant ridiculous ramblings.

[JP135]

Bush...responsible for the economic turmoil in our country.

Not to mention thousands of dead American soldiers.


You sir, live in a fantasy world.

[futant]

Haha! More musings from a failure!

Why should I leave? 90% of the people in here voted for Bush, and in my eyes, are responsible for the economic turmoil in our country. Not to mention thousands of dead American soldiers.

How about this. You guys admit that you were wrong in 2000 AND in 2004, then leave.

It's not really a bet, but it would be sweet.

Only a fool like you believes Bush is to blame for everything.
The reason why people want you to leave is because youre a moron that doesn't understand how the govt works.
Does that help?

[STANGGT40]

i figured that you guys would like having him around a lot more...it's no fun when everyone agrees on everything! you have to have some differing opinions or it gets boring. :o

[cryptic5.0]

Its strange to me, why some want me to leave.

98% of the people on this site are right-wingers. I'm part of the 2% that isn't. So, I disagree with most of you a lot of the time. I'm the minority in here. I'm ok with that. But for some reason, the majority in here can't STAND to have 2% that disagree with them. "Curse the gods!!!" that 1 person disagrees with 200 people. It seems as though the attitude of those who want me to leave is "I can't live knowing there's someone who disagrees with me, out there. GO AWAY!!! My opinion isn't safe with you disagreeing with me all the time!"

I'm one person. If you can't handle that, then you need to go suckle mommy some more, and pray that her milk has gotten stronger.
I don't personally mind if someone has views that differ from my own. It helps spark debates that can lead to finding resolutions to current problems. That's why we have Dems and Repubs. They have different views, but can still (usually) take and learn from the others point of view.

What bother most people, myself included, is people like you. You could care less to have an actual open minded conversation. You have been fed a bunch of BS propaganda and are not intelligent enough to realize it. You have no real concept of the government nor of the way the country is run. To think that the president is the sole controlling power and decision maker is just plain ignorant. Yet you still jump at the chance to place the blame for anything and everything that has happened solely on Bush.

If you have yet to find success or at least the steps needed to eventually become successful, then that is no one's fault but your own. Instead of sitting here and spewing what you've been told, why don't you get out and learn a bit of what's going on for your self.

[black01gt]

If Obama wins good for you and you shut the fuck up!

But if Obama loses, you must promise to remove yourself from this website.
Heads I win, tails you lose.

[Vertnut]

Communistic? Ugh. You and the Republican talking points.

I'm no more a communist, than you are a nazi.
10,000 comedians out of work, and you're trying to be funny :cool: . Don't you have a job to go to?

You are very much a commie based on all of your posts. It's really no big deal. It's what you believe in...I guess if I was in your situation, I would want to be on the public "payroll" and get all I could from the government, too. I'd rather do it on my own...

[46Tbird]

I've got no problem with gpamp. I disagree with him on just about everything, but it is interesting to see another viewpoint.

[Vertnut]

I've got no problem with gpamp. I disagree with him on just about everything, but it is interesting to see another viewpoint.
I have no problem either. It's better than kicking my dog...

[black01gt]

...I guess if I was in your situation, I would want to be on the public "payroll" and get all I could from the government, too. I'd rather do it on my own...
Isn't gpamp working about 4 jobs?

[Big Thumper]

If you guys find Pamp entertaining, try Yellowbullets politics forum..lol. We had a guy yesterday who was calling us all racist, he's voting for Obama, but couldn't tell us why...well he did cut and paste Obamas change plans off the website..lol.

[Vertnut]

Isn't gpamp working about 4 jobs?
Which leads me to believe he's struggling...or at least not happy. From my personal experiences with musicians (in my family), ALL things take a back seat to their "music", including God, family, and jobs.

[Vertnut]

If you guys find Pamp entertaining, try Yellowbullets politics forum..lol. We had a guy yesterday who was calling us all racist, he's voting for Obama, but couldn't tell us why...well he did cut and paste Obamas change plans off the website..lol.
This is about all the politics I can handle. I came here looking for cars, and we've got a socialist in Gpamp that may very well not even own one.

[Magnus]

Which leads me to believe he's struggling...or at least not happy. From my personal experiences with musicians (in my family), ALL things take a back seat to their "music", including God, family, and jobs.
QFT.

you'll never find someone as lazy, or unhappy, as an "unsuccesful artist, who can't understand why someone doesn't appreciate their artistic impression.?" Instead of devoting their time to a trade, or some other form of equivalent income, they pick up small jobs (pay wise) that have extremely flexible schedules and allow them to suddenly miss days to play "shows".

[Vertnut]

QFT.

you'll never find someone as lazy, or unhappy, as an "unsuccesful artist, who can't understand why someone doesn't appreciate their artistic impression.?" Instead of devoting their time to a trade, or some other form of equivalent income, they pick up small jobs (pay wise) that have extremely flexible schedules and allow them to suddenly miss days to play "shows".
You're dead-on...They'd rather work all night at a $40 gig and sleep in, than get any real job.

[black01gt]

Which leads me to believe he's struggling...or at least not happy. From my personal experiences with musicians (in my family), ALL things take a back seat to their "music", including God, family, and jobs.
He seems to keep God in perspective. I work with a guy that makes about $35k part time, and about $50k playing in a country band. That's what he wants. He's single :D

[bcoop]

Its strange to me, why some want me to leave.

98% of the people on this site are right-wingers. I'm part of the 2% that isn't. So, I disagree with most of you a lot of the time. I'm the minority in here. I'm ok with that. But for some reason, the majority in here can't STAND to have 2% that disagree with them. "Curse the gods!!!" that 1 person disagrees with 200 people. It seems as though the attitude of those who want me to leave is "I can't live knowing there's someone who disagrees with me, out there. GO AWAY!!! My opinion isn't safe with you disagreeing with me all the time!"

I'm one person. If you can't handle that, then you need to go suckle mommy some more, and pray that her milk has gotten stronger.



We want you to leave, because you can not argue intelligently. There is nothing wrong with believeing differently than we do. But at least make educated arguments. That's what we have a problem with. You make uneducated arguments. You post "facts" that aren't really facts, and have no backup. You make wild outlandish claims, with no backup. You get your news from the UK. :rolleyes: Any post with any substance, you ignore because you don't know how to respond to it. You only pick and choose the posts of people talking shit to you, because that's all you know how to do yourself. You can't speak intelligently on a single political subject. Seriously. And that's not intended as an insult.


Let me ask you this.
1) Exactly how, is Bush responsible for the state of the economy. You better have factual information, or don't bother responding.
2) Am I a failure because I only work one job, and live better than you do with 3 jobs? Just wondering what makes me a failure in your eyes. After all, you know why I think your band sucks.

[Vertnut]

He seems to keep God in perspective. I work with a guy that makes about $35k part time, and about $50k playing in a country band. That's what he wants. He's single :D
Bullshit. Unless he's on tour with a big name, he ain't making $50k a year. If he's got a full-time job, he's not touring...

[musbrad2]

We want you to leave, because you can not argue intelligently. There is nothing wrong with believeing differently than we do. But at least make educated arguments. That's what we have a problem with. You make uneducated arguments. You post "facts" that aren't really facts, and have no backup. You make wild outlandish claims, with no backup. You get your news from the UK. :rolleyes: Any post with any substance, you ignore because you don't know how to respond to it. You only pick and choose the posts of people talking shit to you, because that's all you know how to do yourself. You can't speak intelligently on a single political subject. Seriously. And that's not intended as an insult.


Let me ask you this.
1) Exactly how, is Bush responsible for the state of the economy. You better have factual information, or don't bother responding.
2) Am I a failure because I only work one job, and live better than you do with 3 jobs? Just wondering what makes me a failure in your eyes. After all, you know why I think your band sucks.

It seems he stirs the pot just to get a rise out of anyone and everyone he can, more than anything else.

[Denny]

I couldn't care less if he leaves or stays. I just want to meet him face to face someday... especially for saying shit like the people who voted for Bush are responsible for the deaths of thousands of American Soldiers. I know a fat, liitle pussy like him would never look a man in the eye and say something like that.

[Vertnut]

I couldn't care less if he leaves or stays. I just want to meet him face to face someday... especially for saying shit like the people who voted for Bush are responsible for the deaths of thousands of American Soldiers. I know a fat, liitle pussy like him would never look a man in the eye and say something like that.
Unlike his brethren Zara, he might be tough to find...unless he too, works in a taco stand.

[black01gt]

Bullshit. Unless he's on tour with a big name, he ain't making $50k a year. If he's got a full-time job, he's not touring...
"$35K part time". He works for me so I know that's true. Plays a few nights a week. Hell I don't know. I didn't ask for accounting proof. But I can buy it.

http://www.jamierichardsband.com/mp3s/drive/3Drive.mp3

I might lose my purchasing manager.

[Vertnut]

"$35K part time". He works for me so I know that's true. Plays a few nights a week. Hell I don't know. I didn't ask for accounting proof. But I can buy it.

http://www.jamierichardsband.com/mp3s/drive/3Drive.mp3
That's really rare for a local band, but good for him. They must be a helluva band, and stay busy.

[black01gt]

That's really rare for a local band, but good for him. They must be a helluva band, and stay busy.
He works hard. And he's smart. And like I said...he's single. ;) I like em. Seen em at Billy Bob's a couple of times but they play all over the state and Colorado.

[Vertnut]

He works hard. And he's smart. And like I said...he's single. ;)
"Smart" and "single" is a good combination...especially for a musician. :p

[YoBro]

I might lose my purchasing manager.

What type of products does he purchase?

[black01gt]

What type of products does he purchase?
Commercial food service equipment and beverage equip supporting Coke and Pepsi.
And still has time to do some hunting. We ship shit to China! :cool:

[mustangguy289]

Heads I win, tails you lose.


Exactly :D

[gpamp]

Depending on what you play, it's not hard to make money. Ask anyone in a successful cover band. Some of those guys clean house playing parties during the week, and shows during the weekend.

I don't work 3 jobs because I'm struggling. I'll admit it. I didn't get a degree. I took a detour, and went to Seminary for a couple of years, and walked away from it for my own reasons. Because I don't have a degree, it's not easy to get something that makes a monsterous amount of money. So, while I'm not doing graphic design, I have a part time retail job. I also have a business that I'm part of, where we design logos, do branding, and write copy. I do all of that to get beyond "comfortable." And if worse ever came to worse, sure, I'd hope that the government wouldn't let me become homeless. But I do more than I can to avoid that.

So, to answer Vert... yes, I own a car. And I don't want any of the government's money. But if my neighbor, who has a wife and kid, gets laid off... I want them to help him out.

And...
1) Exactly how, is Bush responsible for the state of the economy. You better have factual information, or don't bother responding.
2) Am I a failure because I only work one job, and live better than you do with 3 jobs? Just wondering what makes me a failure in your eyes. After all, you know why I think your band sucks.
1. The poor choice to extend all our money & resources into Iraq for a nation building project probably has a bit to do with why our economy is in the shitter right now. And that's just one big example.
2. I'm not sure why you're a failure, just yet. But the venom you spew at me, for doing something I love, says there's something. I'm no psychiatrist, but you're probably not happy, despite your "success."

[YoBro]

Commercial food service equipment and beverage equip supporting Coke and Pepsi.
And still has time to do some hunting. We ship shit to China! :cool:

Im a buyer for a steel company and always curious what else is out there

[gpamp]

Im a buyer for a steel company and always curious what else is out there
I buy groceries every Tuesday.

[YoBro]

I buy groceries every Tuesday.

Food stamps issue day?

[black01gt]

Im a buyer for a steel company and always curious what else is out there
Stainless Steel cost is costing me sleep lately. :(

[YoBro]

Stainless Steel cost is costing me sleep lately. :(

They are coming back down

[5.0_CJ]

Depending on what you play, it's not hard to make money. Ask anyone in a successful cover band. Some of those guys clean house playing parties during the week, and shows during the weekend.

I don't work 3 jobs because I'm struggling. I'll admit it. I didn't get a degree. I took a detour, and went to Seminary for a couple of years, and walked away from it for my own reasons. Because I don't have a degree, it's not easy to get something that makes a monsterous amount of money. So, while I'm not doing graphic design, I have a part time retail job. I also have a business that I'm part of, where we design logos, do branding, and write copy. I do all of that to get beyond "comfortable." And if worse ever came to worse, sure, I'd hope that the government wouldn't let me become homeless. But I do more than I can to avoid that.

So, to answer Vert... yes, I own a car. And I don't want any of the government's money. But if my neighbor, who has a wife and kid, gets laid off... I want them to help him out.

And...

1. The poor choice to extend all our money & resources into Iraq for a nation building project probably has a bit to do with why our economy is in the shitter right now. And that's just one big example.
2. I'm not sure why you're a failure, just yet. But the venom you spew at me, for doing something I love, says there's something. I'm no psychiatrist, but you're probably not happy, despite your "success."

I'm embarassed to say we appear to have the same job.

[Magnus]

Unlike his brethren Zara, he might be tough to find...unless he too, works in a taco stand.
Much easier to find than Zara.
Just go to a show his band's myspace page has announced that he'd be playing at. Follow him out to the parking lot, then start dislocating his shoulders. :)

[cryptic5.0]

I'm embarassed to say we appear to have the same job.
the difference between you and him, however, is that you only need the one job to live comfortably. Which would imply that you are much more qualified for that job than he.

[5.0_CJ]

the difference between you and him, however, is that you only need the one job to live comfortably. Which would imply that you are much more qualified for that job than he.

haha, hey nice vette, I kept the cap on the front of mine, not sure how you bare it. :)

[cryptic5.0]

haha, hey nice vette, I kept the cap on the front of mine, not sure how you bare it. :)
eh, it was like that when I bought the car. Too lazy to buy the filler. Not to mention I'll probably trade in for a newer one some time next year.

[STANGGT40]

Much easier to find than Zara.
Just go to a show his band's myspace page has announced that he'd be playing at. Follow him out to the parking lot, then start dislocating his shoulders. :)

that's pretty harsh for someone that disagrees with you on the internet. if someone wants to meet him that bad, i'd be happy to take him out to a gtg sometime, but not if someone actually wants to get physical...that's pretty childish.

[5.0_CJ]

eh, it was like that when I bought the car. Too lazy to buy the filler. Not to mention I'll probably trade in for a newer one some time next year.

before you trade it hit me up, I'd like to get those wheels :)

[cryptic5.0]

before you trade it hit me up, I'd like to get those wheels :)
sure, no prob.

fronts are 18x9 and rears are 19x10.5 wrapped in brand new BFG KDW NTs.

[black01gt]

that's pretty harsh for someone that disagrees with you on the internet. if someone wants to meet him that bad, i'd be happy to take him out to a gtg sometime, but not if someone actually wants to get physical...that's pretty childish.
Tough talk helps him pretend his dick is bigger.

[5.0_CJ]

sure, no prob.

fronts are 18x9 and rears are 19x10.5 wrapped in brand new BFG KDW NTs.

hell yeah, that's what I'm talking about. I've never bought a set of aftermarket wheels, all my money normally goes to the motor. here's a pic of my vette.

http://jadefalcon.shackspace.com/Pics/1_black_rims.jpg

stock wagon wheels, I took a wheel off and shot the face so I could use it to make a template to laser cut vinyl. I heat gunned a black vinyl sheet to fit the wheels, lasted for 3 years so far... I'd probably do the same thing to your wheels if I ended up with them, black spokes.

[cryptic5.0]

nice. I don't normally like the wagon wheels, but that actually looks pretty sick.


hell, we might as well change the name of this site to dfwvettes, with as many vette owners are on here. lol.

[gpamp]

Much easier to find than Zara.
Just go to a show his band's myspace page has announced that he'd be playing at. Follow him out to the parking lot, then start dislocating his shoulders. :)
Is that how you got started doing this: http://www.hendrickmusic.com/magsig.jpg ?

[gpamp]

I'm embarassed to say we appear to have the same job.
Don't be embarassed. Although, as far as the "qualified" part goes, I saved money and taught myself to do the same job you do.

As much as whoever is lowest in the polls would like you to believe, for labeling purposes, we're all working Americans.

I just don't own a 'vette.

haha.

[HOOCBB]

So, to answer Vert... yes, I own a car. And I don't want any of the government's money. But if my neighbor, who has a wife and kid, gets laid off... I want them to help him out.

And...

1. The poor choice to extend all our money & resources into Iraq for a nation building project probably has a bit to do with why our economy is in the shitter right now. And that's just one big example.
2. I'm not sure why you're a failure, just yet. But the venom you spew at me, for doing something I love, says there's something. I'm no psychiatrist, but you're probably not happy, despite your "success."


First and foremost, I'm all for helping someone out of a difficult situation, but for the government to not impose restrictions on the length of time a person gets the help is bad. We really need to place limits on welfare and instead of just giving people money to survive, we need to actually HELP them get another job. If that means perhaps coaching them to interview better, increase their skills a bit(don't pay to send them to school per se, but maybe some kind of supplemental class), build a better resume, etc, then fine. It's like I've always been told, "If you give a man a loaf of bread he will eat for a day, but if you teach him how to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime". So, if we do some semblance of what I wrote above, we should be able to transform most of the people that depend on the government into productive members of society. By doing so, the tax revenue would naturally go up because you have more people paying taxes, not increasing taxes on those that are already productive.

I know this is going to sound Communistic, but we should be able to limit how many babies someone has while they are on welfare. If you meet/exceed the number, you either get dropped from welfare or you get sterilized. Harsh, I know, but I don't really know any other way to solve that problem.

Your statement about extending "all our" money and resources to Iraq for a nation building project is a bit inaccurate. We front some money to help rebuild what we've destroyed, but the biggest part of the bill is supposed to be paid by the Iraqi government from export revenues (oil, etc). I may not even be accurate, but I seem to remember it was pitched as Iraq would pay for most of it.

One thing you cannot argue is that the quality of life has greatly improved since the fall of Saddam. People are no longer held by a suppressive hand and are free to enjoy a capitalist economy that we helped put into place.

[AL P]

Pampers what kind of music do you guys play? I can see the band playing that "what what in the butt" song while you dance around like a monkey on stage in a leather gimp outfit...

[Weslie]

I know this is going to sound Communistic, but we should be able to limit how many babies someone has while they are on welfare. If you meet/exceed the number, you either get dropped from welfare or you get sterilized. Harsh, I know, but I don't really know any other way to solve that problem.
I hate seeing people work the system just as much as any hard-working, tax-paying citizen, but without proper reforms to ALL government programs (i.e. Section 8, Medicaid, WIC, food stamps, etc.), that type of behavior will always be a problem. How can you justify cutting the aid of a child because his/her parents are not responsible enough to stop having kids? At some point, you have to decide if punishing the innocent babies born into a "welfare" situation is appropriate. In my opinion, it is not. But, I would support a system that requires the parents to pay back (in full) the amount of assistance they receive from the government if their benefits extend past an established time period.

[Nate]

I hate seeing people work the system just as much as any hard-working, tax-paying citizen, but without proper reforms to ALL government programs (i.e. Section 8, Medicaid, WIC, food stamps, etc.), that type of behavior will always be a problem. How can you justify cutting the aid of a child because his/her parents are not responsible enough to stop having kids? At some point, you have to decide if punishing the innocent babies born into a "welfare" situation is appropriate. In my opinion, it is not. But, I would support a system that requires the parents to pay back (in full) the amount of assistance they receive from the government if their benefits extend past an established time period.
What about the strong statisical correlation between these "innocent" babies that would be cut from aid and those that grow up to be the scum of society and repeat the process? or end up in jail? on welfare? etc etc.

[AL P]

I wonder how people survived before welfare was invented, it hasn't been around all that long. It is kind of like the idea of "retirement", it started off as a luxury, then became a necessity and now it is an entitlement. I wonder why that is?

[Weslie]

What about the strong statisical correlation between these "innocent" babies that would be cut from aid and those that grow up to be the scum of society and repeat the process? or end up in jail? on welfare? etc etc.I'm not debating statistics here, just saying that making the decision to cut benefits to a family because they had another baby punishes that baby just as much as the irresponsible parents.

[Nate]

I'm not debating statistics here, just saying that making the decision to cut benefits to a family because they had another baby punishes that baby just as much as the irresponsible parents.
Cut welfare for the parents to punish the idiots as well.

[Weslie]

I wonder how people survived before welfare was invented, it hasn't been around all that long. It is kind of like the idea of "retirement", it started off as a luxury, then became a necessity and now it is an entitlement. I wonder why that is?Because people start growing up without any knowledge of a government without welfare, and it becomes an entitlement. I think the concept of government assistance is a good one, but the system is so flawed that it's turned into a joke.

[Weslie]

Cut welfare for the parents to punish the idiots as well.Anybody who assumes that a child born into welfare is automatically an idiot or will inevitably become "scum of society" doesn't know very many kids.

[Nate]

Anybody who assumes that a child born into welfare is automatically an idiot or will inevitably become "scum of society" doesn't know very many kids.
I didn't say the kids will inevitably become but the correlation is a strong one per capita. The idiots are the fucking parents with 6 kids and on welfare because the girl can't keep her legs together or the guy doesn't know what a condom is.

[Weslie]

I didn't say the kids will inevitably become but the correlation is a strong one per capita. The idiots are the fucking parents with 6 kids and on welfare because the girl can't keep her legs together or the guy doesn't know what a condom is.Gotcha. Misunderstood your post. So I guess we agree that the system sucks.

[Nate]

Gotcha. Misunderstood your post. So I guess we agree that the system sucks.
Yes the system completely fucking sucks. I'm not against blowing it up and starting over (congress as well)

[Weslie]

Yes the system completely fucking sucks. I'm not against blowing it up and starting over (congress as well)I wonder what would happen if the welfare system was no more.... It deserves some thought, but it would never happen.

[Nate]

I wonder what would happen if the welfare system was no more.... It deserves some thought, but it would never happen.
Chaos in the ghetto and slums. Rampant crime and shootings in places such as Chicago....er hold on wait, what's different from the way it is now?

There would be another surge in CHL apps in Texas for sure.

[AL P]

People would have to rely on the charity of the local community if they wouldn't or couldn't work. Just like before welfare was invented.

[Weslie]

Chaos in the ghetto and slums. Rampant crime and shootings in places such as Chicago....er hold on wait, what's different from the way it is now?

There would be another surge in CHL apps in Texas for sure.lmao... I was thinking more in economic terms. I wonder what would happen, how many people would be homeless, how many parts of town that are now considered "nice" would turn into slums. It would be an interesting study to predict the number of people affected by the elimination of government welfare, and the affect that would have on society as a whole.

Anyway, I'm all for scrapping it and starting from scratch - providing assistance to hard-working people who are just down on their luck for a small period of time.

[Weslie]

People would have to rely on the charity of the local community if they wouldn't or couldn't work. Just like before welfare was invented.Many local charities get a large percentage of funding from the government. Is that considered government assistance, or is it a part of separate government spending?

[HOOCBB]

Anyway, I'm all for scrapping it and starting from scratch - providing assistance to hard-working people who are just down on their luck for a small period of time.

This is all welfare was ever intended to be from the beginning.

[HOOCBB]

I hate seeing people work the system just as much as any hard-working, tax-paying citizen, but without proper reforms to ALL government programs (i.e. Section 8, Medicaid, WIC, food stamps, etc.), that type of behavior will always be a problem. How can you justify cutting the aid of a child because his/her parents are not responsible enough to stop having kids? At some point, you have to decide if punishing the innocent babies born into a "welfare" situation is appropriate. In my opinion, it is not. But, I would support a system that requires the parents to pay back (in full) the amount of assistance they receive from the government if their benefits extend past an established time period.

I never said my idea was perfect, in fact I know it is far from it. It's not right to punish someone born into a situation. Just like it is not right to end a life before it really starts. That's another topic though.

Perhaps to build on the punishment of the irresponsibility of those that continue to have babies on welfare, we would set a max benefit based on # of children. Once the "parents" have an additional child, their benefits don't increase anymore, give them the option to put the child up for adoption, and sterilize both parents.

OR

Once they reach the magic baby #, automatically sterilize both parents so they can't have any more.

This would not apply to those that are not on welfare.

[HOOCBB]

Many local charities get a large percentage of funding from the government. Is that considered government assistance, or is it a part of separate government spending?

that is seperate government spending because the aid is not going directly from the government to the families, but through a 3rd party organization first.

[Weslie]

I never said my idea was perfect, in fact I know it is far from it.
Right, but all good ideas usually start from ones that are way off the mark. You have to start somewhere, and at least you're thinking about it instead of complaining without offering up an alternative.

I have a hard time with sterilizing someone because they are on welfare, but I see where you're going with it. I've always thought people should be required to pay back their benefits once they're in a position to do so. If they don't after a certain period of time, they should be treated like they would be if they didn't pay taxes or child support. That might not work either, but it's an idea.

[AL P]

Many local charities get a large percentage of funding from the government. Is that considered government assistance, or is it a part of separate government spending?

A lot of them do and I'm fine with that. Mainly because the people who need the help the most are the ones who can't manage money worth a shit.

We just had some section 8 houses built down the street. People just moved in. Lots of Cadillacs and cars on dubs and shit like that. You can tell where people have their priorities that is for sure.

[Weslie]

We just had some section 8 houses built down the street. People just moved in. Lots of Cadillacs and cars on dubs and shit like that. You can tell where people have their priorities that is for sure. That's ridiculous. It's a lot like the toy give-away down by Love Field at Christmas a few years ago. There were tons of people, driving their Mercedes or Lexus, talking on their cell phones, carrying $1,000 purses... all waiting for free toys because they couldn't afford to give their kids a decent Christmas.

[futant]

1. The poor choice to extend all our money & resources into Iraq for a nation building project probably has a bit to do with why our economy is in the shitter right now. And that's just one big example.
2. I'm not sure why you're a failure, just yet. But the venom you spew at me, for doing something I love, says there's something. I'm no psychiatrist, but you're probably not happy, despite your "success."

1. the war in Iraq does not bankrupt this country by any means. Repeating what someone told you much?
2. Psychologist , not psychiatrist.... . Psychiatrist don't really give a shit how you feel or think, they just give you medicine and tell you when to come back.

[AL P]

That's ridiculous. It's a lot like the toy give-away down by Love Field at Christmas a few years ago. There were tons of people, driving their Mercedes or Lexus, talking on their cell phones, carrying $1,000 purses... all waiting for free toys because they couldn't afford to give their kids a decent Christmas.

Thankfully, the easy money on car notes has gone the way of the dinosaurs and it couldn't have come soon enough. Giving some people easy credit on cars and letting them roll in negative equity has been a really bad idea. It was great while it lasted for the car markers but hurt other parts of the economy.

[futant]

A lot of them do and I'm fine with that. Mainly because the people who need the help the most are the ones who can't manage money worth a shit.

We just had some section 8 houses built down the street. People just moved in. Lots of Cadillacs and cars on dubs and shit like that. You can tell where people have their priorities that is for sure.

Same here , I saw a car pulling intot he sect 8 just yesterday rolling on 24"
all of them have nicer cars than the neighborhood right behind them.
For what?
stupid mistakes they made to profit from the system. I'm only happy I'll have something to show myself while all these dipshits live on credit.

Never seen people stupid enough not to use sidewalks too. Apparently black people don't teach there kids shit. One of the little girls even got hit by a car this year on her bike when she darted out from behind a vehicle. Hell my girlfriend and I almost hit the same kids the week before and yelled at them. There every where...
never did kids walk and ride bikes on busy streets where sidewalks exist BEFORE the section8 apts.
Time to move...

[bcoop]

They are coming back down



They've been coming down for a while now, because China has slowed down consumption. It's copper, and everything else that's killing us now. It's a vicious cycle.


Some of our lines went up as much as 12% in September. It's fucking ludicrous.

[89gt-stanger]

[QUOTE=gpamp]

Why should I leave? 90% of the people in here voted for Bush, and in my eyes, are responsible for the economic turmoil in our country. Not to mention thousands of dead American soldiers.

/QUOTE]

I hope you get fired, run over by a car, your eyes pecked out by a crow, your dick eaten off by a bear, and have a 50 cal bullet blown into your head by every military personel, you sick bastard.

How could you say something like that :confused: :confused: Do you really think Bush is the reason why they died? Some terrorist assholes wanted a piece of America, and you know what, they got it. Each and every one of the men and women who died in this war, made a check, in the amount of no less than their life, payable to the United States of America and it's people, to serve and protect us.

You have NO balls saying what you just said, you should be ashamed, really. :(

[bcoop]

1. The poor choice to extend all our money & resources into Iraq for a nation building project probably has a bit to do with why our economy is in the shitter right now. And that's just one big example.


Yeah, that has a hell of an impact on banks approving bad loans. :rolleyes:


2. I'm not sure why you're a failure, just yet. But the venom you spew at me, for doing something I love, says there's something. I'm no psychiatrist, but you're probably not happy, despite your "success."


You've got me all figured out. :rolleyes: I'm as happy as can be, and I really couldn't imagine my life being any better than it is right now. I spew venom at you, because it's all you understand. Once again, you completely ignore any posts with true substance, because you lack the intelligence to respond to them.

[YoBro]

They've been coming down for a while now, because China has slowed down consumption. It's copper, and everything else that's killing us now. It's a vicious cycle.


Some of our lines went up as much as 12% in September. It's fucking ludicrous.


We had prices go up 72% on some steel grades. Too bad no one has credit to build now that prices came back down.

[bcoop]

Anybody who assumes that a child born into welfare is automatically an idiot or will inevitably become "scum of society" doesn't know very many kids.



I love ya Weslie, but BULLSHIT. Those that don't become are the exception, and not the rule. I'm in no way saying that ALL kids that grow up in that environment will become scum. Sure a small minority of them rise above the situation they were born in to, because they don't want to live like that. But you know as well as I do, that the overwhelming majority do become leeches, thieves, and scum. It's such a cliche, but you ARE a product of your environment. That's just the way it is. Statistics don't lie.


Take for example, Katrina. A terrible tragedy occured. Let's look past the fact, that these people knew the inevitable would happen. Let's look past the fact that the Corps of Engineers told them the levees WOULD fail. Let's look past the fact that they REFUSED to build safe levees. You've got second, third, fourth, and fifth generation welfare recipients screaming and making a fuss over Bush "hating black people" and not helping them.


Let's look at another terrible tragedy, with the flooding in the midwest. You've got hard working blue collar Americans, who don't know what "something for nothing" is all about. Why didn't you hear them bitching about help? Instead, you saw them pitching in and helping each other pick up the pieces.

Before Reverend JC starts in on me, this isn't about race. This is about a mindset. This same mindset is held by numerous races, including caucasian people. This mindset is because, you ARE a product of your environment.

[bcoop]

We had prices go up 72% on some steel grades. Too bad no one has credit to build now that prices came back down.



All we really deal with is 201, 300 series (301,304, etc) and 400 series s/s.

[YoBro]

All we really deal with is 201, 300 series (301,304, etc) and 400 series s/s.

Completely different market from me but I did see prices decreases the last 2 months on s/s

[bcoop]

Never seen people stupid enough not to use sidewalks too. Apparently black people don't teach there kids shit. One of the little girls even got hit by a car this year on her bike when she darted out from behind a vehicle. Hell my girlfriend and I almost hit the same kids the week before and yelled at them. There every where...
never did kids walk and ride bikes on busy streets where sidewalks exist BEFORE the section8 apts.
Time to move...



Just so you know, it is illegal to ride a bicycle on a sidewalk in TX. Just thought I'd throw that out there. I see where your frustration comes from, but techinically, they are following law. I'm not saying they are riding in the street to be law abiding citizens, either. I'm just sayin...

[Magnus]

Is that how you got started doing this: http://www.hendrickmusic.com/magsig.jpg ?
Weaksauce.
Anyone with two brain cells has already read that thread, and found out it was a news article about a democrat lawyer who would "tear part" rape victims to make sure his criminal client got off.


Anything new?

[sonic03gt]

Can't blame Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy... etc, etc.

If you blame you also have to give credit but it is not the reason. The money in this country isn't controlled by the President. At best he is a cheerleader for the economy... nothing more.

I wasn't talking about money or the economy being controlled by the president. What I was saying was that if Clinton would have been as concerned about Bin Laden as he was about getting blown by fat chicks, 9/11 most likely wouldn't have happened (at least not when it did) and as a result, the economy wouldn't be where it is now.