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01WhiteCobra
10-22-2008, 03:42 PM
The following is IM between two S&P employees...


Rahul Dilip Shah: btw: that deal is ridiculous

Shannon Mooney: I know right ... model def does not capture half of the risk

Rahul Dilip Shah: we should not be rating it

Shannon Mooney: we rate every deal

Shannon Mooney: it could be structured by cows and we would rate it

Testimony before the House by Deven Sharma (S&P):


S&P is not alone in having been taken by surprise by the extreme decline in the housing and mortgage markets. Virtually no one -- be they homeowners, financial institutions, rating agencies, regulators, or investors -- anticipated what is occurring. Although we highlighted to investors looming issues we saw in the housing market as far back as early 2006, the reality remains that in publishing our initial ratings on many of these securities we never expected such severe, negative performance in the housing and mortgage markets. There is no doubt that had we anticipated the extraordinary events that have occurred -- and we did not -- we would have utilized different economic forecasts and would not have assigned many of the original ratings that we did . . .

God, this shit pissing me off.

GT Dan
10-22-2008, 04:50 PM
How high are these guys on the food chain? If this was a conversation between a couple analysts, it might just be dumbassery... if they are CEO & CFO, I would think perjury...

01WhiteCobra
10-22-2008, 04:51 PM
How high are these guys on the food chain? If this was a conversation between a couple analysts, it might just be dumbassery... if they are CEO & CFO, I would think perjury...

These are the people that rated SHIT... "AAA."

Tiny Tim
10-22-2008, 05:58 PM
The cows may have done better for the economy at this point..

01WhiteCobra
10-22-2008, 06:01 PM
The cows may have done better for the economy at this point..

Nah... the entire commodity complex is through the floor. Cows are hurtin' at the moment.

GT Dan
10-22-2008, 07:50 PM
These are the people that rated SHIT... "AAA."

I don't know enough about it yet to have an intelligent conversation with you... lmao... :D

So who deserves more blame, the politicians who refused to regulate fannie and freddie? Telling them to grant loans to every swinging dick in the country?

or

These dopes that didn't blow the whistle on the inappropriate ratings.

Which leads me to another stupid question... do these ratings have anything to do with the oil markets and the prices we've been paying for the past year?

01WhiteCobra
10-22-2008, 11:17 PM
I don't know enough about it yet to have an intelligent conversation with you... lmao... :D

So who deserves more blame, the politicians who refused to regulate fannie and freddie? Telling them to grant loans to every swinging dick in the country?

or

These dopes that didn't blow the whistle on the inappropriate ratings.

Which leads me to another stupid question... do these ratings have anything to do with the oil markets and the prices we've been paying for the past year?

The government was a cog in the machine... nothing more.

A bunch of dumb fucks on Wall Street, who are now getting bailed out, did this shit.

People made money on this failure. I have a post somewhere on this subforum that is a letter of a hedge fund manager who 2 years ago bet against these imbeciles and cashed out... under 40... his children's children won't have to work.

Money was made. Fortunes were lost. The government bailed out the losers. We are the only losers.