McCain showing his anti-American colors

[gpamp]

Does McCain not wear an American flag lapel pin because he hates God or Country? Or both?

Apparently, he hasn't worn one to any of the debates between he and Obama. It was a big deal when Obama didn't, so I was wondering if Republicans saw it as a big deal that McCain didn't, or if the spin-cycle has already "corrected" this.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/10/15/us/15debatestatic2_600.jpg

[bronco71]

:rolleyes: at least McCain doesn't openly admit attending and supporting flag burning rallies. :mad:

[FATHERFORD]

lmao

[gpamp]

:rolleyes: at least McCain doesn't openly admit attending and supporting flag burning rallies. :mad:
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Show me. And I want a newspaper article. Not a blog or anything that has the word "conservative", "right", or "Republican" in the title of the site.

Obama did not "openly admit" that.

:rolleyes:

[GT Dan]

you really are a stupid mf'er...

[exlude]

Wow, you're increasingly simple...

[NEAL]

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Show me. And I want a newspaper article. Not a blog or anything that has the word "conservative", "right", or "Republican" in the title of the site.

Obama did not "openly admit" that.

:rolleyes:
He did admit to being a Muslim. That and his record for hanging with those who are anti-American say it for him.........that's enough for me.......not to mention his biggot wife.

[Hunter]

Does McCain not wear an American flag lapel pin because he hates God or Country? Or both?

Apparently, he hasn't worn one to any of the debates between he and Obama. It was a big deal when Obama didn't, so I was wondering if Republicans saw it as a big deal that McCain didn't, or if the spin-cycle has already "corrected" this.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/10/15/us/15debatestatic2_600.jpg
stfu please.

[Denny]

Cindy was out of town and his arms couldn't reach up to his lapel ;)

[Chopped54]

McCains is missing and in the picture Obama is wearing one. Looks like Obama could have used some of his inner-city Chicago community organizer skills to get him one...

[Denny]

McCains is missing and in the picture Obama is wearing one. Looks like Obama could have used some of his inner-city Chicago community organizer skills to get him one...
He only had Cuban and USSR flags left.

[Sean88gt]

Cindy was out of town and his arms couldn't reach up to his lapel ;)
Only accurate post in the thread!

[Mr Majestyk]

Does McCain not wear an American flag lapel pin because he hates God or Country? Or both?

Apparently, he hasn't worn one to any of the debates between he and Obama. It was a big deal when Obama didn't, so I was wondering if Republicans saw it as a big deal that McCain didn't, or if the spin-cycle has already "corrected" this.


McCain already showed his stance on God and Country through his military service and conduct while a POW, you stupid fuck.

Unlike your personal messiah, as well as yourself....

[gpamp]

No one has given a good reason why McCain not wearing a lapel pin, is any worse than Obama not wearing one.

All I've seen are "stfu", "you're stupid", "nu-uh!!", and a handfull of outright lies, that had no backing up.

[AL P]

As soon as McCain aligns himself with various anti-American interests it will matter whether he wears a pin or not. You see Pampers, McCain's patriotism isn't in question.

[Mr Majestyk]

No one has given a good reason why McCain not wearing a lapel pin, is any worse than Obama not wearing one.

All I've seen are "stfu", "you're stupid", "nu-uh!!", and a handfull of outright lies, that had no backing up.


"stfu", "you're stupid", "nu-uh!!", all apply to you. What's your problem?

[mustangguy289]

Because McCain has always been proud of America... Obama and his wife have just recently become proud of America so its new to them to show support for their country. Kind of like when an Olympian wins the gold... they are going to wear it for a while because its new to them... but after 70 yrs it is stowed away but the love for it still remains. Also McCain does not have to fool anyone.. which is what Obama's campaign is all about... you should know.

There is your answer Gpamp.

[Magnus]

Hmm, i seem to remember "that one" also saying he wants to change the national anthem because it's too "war like."

And do you realize how hard it is to find that in a google search when you include his name, and "change" in the same box???

[1fastdem]

Hmm, i seem to remember "that one" also saying he wants to change the national anthem because it's too "war like."


Wow, I thought you were smarter than this statement. See the snopes.com for the rebuttal.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/stance.asp

I've posted this before in this thread but I guess you didn't see it.

http://www.dfwstangs.net/forums/showthread.php?t=373490

But I could be wrong. In which case, I am sure you will post where heard him say it.

[mustangguy289]

[QUOTE=Magnus]Hmm, i seem to remember "that one" also saying he wants to change the national anthem because it's too "war like."
[QUOTE]

Wow, I thought you were smarter than this statement. See the snopes.com for the rebuttal.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/stance.asp

I've posted this before in this thread but I guess you didn't see it.

http://www.dfwstangs.net/forums/showthread.php?t=373490

But I could be wrong. In which case, I am sure you will post where heard him say it.

It is on snopes... it must be true because they are the only true website... :rolleyes:

[SOLOW55]

No one has given a good reason why McCain not wearing a lapel pin, is any worse than Obama not wearing one.

All I've seen are "stfu", "you're stupid", "nu-uh!!", and a handfull of outright lies, that had no backing up.
And know one has giving a good reason to vote for Obama either ...

[Magnus]

Wow, I thought you were smarter than this statement. See the snopes.com for the rebuttal.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/stance.asp

I've posted this before in this thread but I guess you didn't see it.

http://www.dfwstangs.net/forums/showthread.php?t=373490

But I could be wrong. In which case, I am sure you will post where heard him say it.
I retract what i said then. I misread it as something else.

[1fastdem]

I retract what i said then. I misread it as something else.

Cool, Thanks.

[The Punisher]

gpampers dumb thread of the day...
I think somebody forgot to change gpamper's diaper... He is one of those hard core Obamanites so we know he can't do it himself...

[Magnus]

gpampers dumb thread of the day...
I think somebody forgot to change gpamper's diaper... He is one of those hard core Obamanites so we know he can't do it himself...
Well, you know he's all for government control.
If they don't tell him to change his diaper, he'll never know when to do it.

[Paladin]

Cindy was out of town and his arms couldn't reach up to his lapel ;)

LMAO! I bet he doesn't know where you are going with this. :cool:

[Taylor]

Photoshop!

[mustangguy289]

Photoshop!
naw its real... i remember noticing it at the debate.

[Sean88gt]

No one has given a good reason why McCain not wearing a lapel pin, is any worse than Obama not wearing one.

All I've seen are "stfu", "you're stupid", "nu-uh!!", and a handfull of outright lies, that had no backing up.

It's very simple, the black guy next to him that never wore one now has one. He stole it!

[Vertnut]

Because McCain has always been proud of America... Obama and his wife have just recently become proud of America so its new to them to show support for their country. Kind of like when an Olympian wins the gold... they are going to wear it for a while because its new to them... but after 70 yrs it is stowed away but the love for it still remains. Also McCain does not have to fool anyone.. which is what Obama's campaign is all about... you should know.

There is your answer Gpamp.
...and a good one. McCain has never taught the likes of Saul Alinsky in classrooms, run around with a domestic terrorist, or attend a black militant church for 20 years. He has nothing to prove to anyone.

[5.0_CJ]

A man that spent several years in a pow torture camp doesn't have such an anti-american opinion of him that he needs a US flag pin to defend against it. The fact that Obama is wearing one now after he explained he wouldn't is just showing he folds for whatever will get him elected. The last thing in the world that McCain has to worry about is someone thinking he is un-american.

[Geor!]

I swear to Christ, that you are the dumbest son of a bitch I've ever seen. Sometimes you make rational comments, but most of the time you post some of the most far fetched bullshit I've ever had the displeasure of reading.

[Vertnut]

I swear to Christ, that you are the dumbest son of a bitch I've ever seen. Sometimes you make rational comments, but most of the time you post some of the most far fetched bullshit I've ever had the displeasure of reading.
He's a product of his political party. He really can't help it...

[mikeb]

McCains patriotism is beyond question, and it is a ridiculous idea to do so. McCain paid his dues in full in vietnam.

Now barry's patriotism is certainly questionable........

[The Punisher]

hypocritical to make this thread when just about every post gpampers makes is anti-American...

[mysticcobrakilla]

It's very simple, the black guy next to him that never wore one now has one. He stole it!
LMAO!!!

[big_tiger]

Kinda funny, Obama wears one to look more American, and McCain doesn't wear on to look less American. LOL

McCain = More American than Obama

[Magnus]

McCain = Incredibly, immeasurably More American than Obama
Fixed

[slow06]

Gpamp,

I think the difference is McCain (as stated above) has already shown his patriotism. Also, I don't think anybody really expects either candidate to wear an American flag around all the time. The issue with Obama not doing it was some having the perception of him being a Muslim/Terrorist/Anti-Christ. Not wearing the flag and then justifying that just rubbed some people, who were already not too fond of him, the wrong way.

The flag pin, in and of itself, is not the real issue. It is the flag pin, on top of the preacher, on top of the terrorist, on top of acorn, on top of his policies. Straw that broke the camel's back maybe.

[poopnut2]

It's stupid shit like this why I hate politics. Oh no's, McCain isn't wearing a flag pin. He must worship Satan. Obama is a muslim ass terrorist because his father put it on his birth certificate. Hell, mine might say "christian" and I think we all know that's not true.

[96lasersnake]

Osama, I mean Obama stated that he wasnt going to wear it. McCain never has. Plus I dont think you can question McCains patriotism with what he went through as a solider.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccbPVMBKQpA

[gpamp]

All I've seen on this thread is all the phony talking points that I've heard on Hannity Limbaugh. And it's all been disproven, yet the druggie & Hannity KEEP railing on it, like no one ever said it was false. Just like when Palin was found guilty by an ethics committee, and she just said "oh, goodie! I'm not guilty!" All the while her reputation is exploding behind her. And most of you guys just repeat that stuff.

[HookEm]

You're an idiot. McCain's resume speaks for itself. How many tours of duty has barry been on?


All I've seen on this thread is all the phony talking points that I've heard on Hannity Limbaugh. And it's all been disproven, yet the druggie & Hannity KEEP railing on it, like no one ever said it was false. Just like when Palin was found guilty by an ethics committee, and she just said "oh, goodie! I'm not guilty!" All the while her reputation is exploding behind her. And most of you guys just repeat that stuff.

[gpamp]

You're an idiot. McCain's resume speaks for itself. How many tours of duty has barry been on?
How many tours of duty did Bush go on, vs. Kerry? You must be an idiot for voting for Bush over him. by your standards, of course.

[Pokulski-Blatz]

Does McCain not wear an American flag lapel pin because he hates God or Country? Or both?

Apparently, he hasn't worn one to any of the debates between he and Obama. It was a big deal when Obama didn't, so I was wondering if Republicans saw it as a big deal that McCain didn't, or if the spin-cycle has already "corrected" this.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/10/15/us/15debatestatic2_600.jpg


I think Mccain has earned the right to choose to weir the flag or not ... how the fuck can you call that man anti-american. He has sacrificed so much for our country. I dont think he has to prove his love to any of you liberal piles of shit any more.

[HookEm]

If you wanted this to be about Bush and barry, barry probably should have run in 2000, or 2004.
Just sayin.....

How many tours of duty did Bush go on, vs. Kerry? You must be an idiot for voting for Bush over him. by your standards, of course.

[stevey_wunder]

How did I know that it would be that cockbite buttnugget faggot gpamp that would post such a bullshit thread????

[5.0LiterRiceEater]

You're an idiot. McCain's resume speaks for itself. How many tours of duty has barry been on?

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08022007/photos/obama.jpg

[Paladin]

Gpamp,

I think the difference is McCain (as stated above) has already shown his patriotism. Also, I don't think anybody really expects either candidate to wear an American flag around all the time. The issue with Obama not doing it was some having the perception of him being a Muslim/Terrorist/Anti-Christ. Not wearing the flag and then justifying that just rubbed some people, who were already not too fond of him, the wrong way.

The flag pin, in and of itself, is not the real issue. It is the flag pin, on top of the preacher, on top of the terrorist, on top of acorn, on top of his policies. Straw that broke the camel's back maybe.

Very nice post.

gpamp, did you miss this one when you sent out your general denial of all responses?

[Slammy]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08022007/photos/obama.jpg

Kinda funny since thats EXACTLY how i feel about bush hahah

[Mustangman_2000]

I think this is called reaching.

[Fordboy91]

gpampers dumb thread of the day...
I think somebody forgot to change gpamper's diaper... He is one of those hard core Obamanites so we know he can't do it himself...

That's funny, Someone forgot to change gpamper's pamper!

[bcoop]

I think this is called reaching.



Nah, reaching is what gpampers does while he's blowing pre op trannys on the corner at his second and third jobs. Wait, nevermind. I think that's called a reach around. As you were.

[slow06]

Very nice post.

gpamp, did you miss this one when you sent out your general denial of all responses?

Thanks. I figured he would either miss or dismiss my response. Not sure which it was.

I don't listen to Hannity, Limbaugh, or any other political commentator, nor do I believe everything they say if I do happen to hear something. Now if they said something like that then great, but otherwise he is wrong about me.

[poopnut2]

All I've seen on this thread is all the phony talking points that I've heard on Hannity Limbaugh. And it's all been disproven, yet the druggie & Hannity KEEP railing on it, like no one ever said it was false. Just like when Palin was found guilty by an ethics committee, and she just said "oh, goodie! I'm not guilty!" All the while her reputation is exploding behind her. And most of you guys just repeat that stuff.

Sean Hannity is a little bitch. I don't ever listen to 820am, but a little over a week ago, they had somebody on, and Hannity just kept talking about John Kerry. The guest was trying to get off of that subject, because Kerry is not a factor in this election. Everybody, Dem, Rep, Ind, knew that Kerry was a dipshit. That's why he didn't win. I seriously wanted to call in and ass rape that bitch Hannity for staying away from current events. The guy is a moron. Limbaugh has his issues. I think that he's a traitor to the republican party promoting Hillary (probably b/c he knew america wouldn't vote for a woman president) instead of backing up McCain, who is by far the only republican that I could see as president.

<--Voting Obama, but respect the hell out of McCain. I think that if the two worked together that great things could happen.

[bcoop]

Everybody, Dem, Rep, Ind, knew that Kerry was a dipshit.



I hate to burst your bubble, but you're wrong. If 'everybody' knew that Kerry was a dipshit, how on earth did he get the Democratic nomination? Now, I'll agree that most knew he was a dipshit. But apparently, it slipped passed the Dems. ;)


I can't stand political talk show hosts. Whether it's Rush, or any of the Obama teet sucking liberal media. It all drives me nuts. The ONLY reason I tuned in to O'Reilly a few weeks back, is because he was interviewing 'The Messiah'. Didn't watch regularly before that, and won't start now.


<---Pointing that out, because I'm a Republican, and I agree that Limbaugh and Hannity are worthless. They will all make some pretty convincing arguments from time to time, and stumble upon a worthwhile topic. But, the sun even shines on a dog's ass every once in a while.

[gpamp]

When I post stuff like this, be it known that I'm counteracting. With this particular thread, I was trying to get across how ridculous the idea was, that because Obama didn't wear an American flag lapel pin, he was somehow un-American. And don't say "no... he's un-American because _____________". When those pictures of him without the lapel pin were going around, a lot of you were using that as the "proof". Nothing beyond copied & pasted ideas.

I know John McCain is not anti-American. Jesus. But I think it's REALLY reaching to think that Obama is anti-American just because he's your guy's opponent. I really don't think someone would be running for President if he were un-American. And I believe that anyone who thinks Obama is anti-American is, in actuality, reaching in the bottom of a nasty bucket for ways to insult him.

Both are decent candidates. I honestly wouldn't have minded if Obama lost the election, because let's face it... John McCain has always been pretty middle of the road. However, he lost me when he picked Sarah Palin. I think it was a decision that wasn't well thought out, and a gimmick gone bad.

[FreightTrain]

When I post stuff like this, be it known that I'm counteracting. With this particular thread, I was trying to get across how ridculous the idea was, that because Obama didn't wear an American flag lapel pin, he was somehow un-American. And don't say "no... he's un-American because _____________". When those pictures of him without the lapel pin were going around, a lot of you were using that as the "proof". Nothing beyond copied & pasted ideas.

I know John McCain is not anti-American. Jesus. But I think it's REALLY reaching to think that Obama is anti-American just because he's your guy's opponent. I really don't think someone would be running for President if he were un-American. And I believe that anyone who thinks Obama is anti-American is, in actuality, reaching in the bottom of a nasty bucket for ways to insult him.

Both are decent candidates. I honestly wouldn't have minded if Obama lost the election, because let's face it... John McCain has always been pretty middle of the road. However, he lost me when he picked Sarah Palin. I think it was a decision that wasn't well thought out, and a gimmick gone bad.


You could say the same thing about the Democratic party picking Obama as their presidential nominee.

[Pokulski-Blatz]

You could say the same thing about the Democratic party picking Obama as their presidential nominee.


Or picking Biden on a ticket preaching "Change"

[gpamp]

You could say the same thing about the Democratic party picking Obama as their presidential nominee.
In some ways, maybe. But experience aside, Obama is the more intelligent of the two (Obama > Palin). Academically and politically. I think his diplomacy & ability to reach out is far greater than Palin's.

[gpamp]

Or picking Biden on a ticket preaching "Change"
I think I know why he picked Biden.

Obama wants to be the dumbest person in the room, during cabinet meetings. He knows that the only way he can grow into the presidency, is to surround himself with some of the best & brightest. And with Biden's foreign policy experience (that even John McCain hails), he's more important than ever at this time in American history.

Obama is not dumb. You can't honestly believe he's not brilliantly calculated. He wouldn't have gotten this far, this early, if he wasn't.

[FreightTrain]

In some ways, maybe. But experience aside, Obama is the more intelligent of the two (Obama > Palin). Academically and politically. I think his diplomacy & ability to reach out is far greater than Palin's.


You should ask the guy that works the register at Star Bucks about intelligence. He has a degree in political science, but only makes $8 bucks an hour plus tips. :rolleyes: The elitists really are funny. So let me guess, since Obama has an Ivy League Education he is automatically more intelligent than Palain. You want to know the funny thing about pedigrees. They are worthless the second folks stop drinking the Kool aid and stop buying into all the bullshit. Just because you spend 250k on an education doesn't mean your smarter or more intelligent than someone that went to a State University and only spent 20k.

[Mustangman_2000]

In some ways, maybe. But experience aside, Obama is the more intelligent of the two (Obama > Palin). Academically and politically. I think his diplomacy & ability to reach out is far greater than Palin's.

What do you base this opinion of Obama being more adept academically and politically? And I guess I don't understand your comparison here. This isn't Obama vs. Palin it's Obama vs. McCain. McCain has been a politician for 26 years and before that he spent 20 years in the military. Obama announced his candidacy for President 25 months after he was sworn in as a U.S. Senator. That's pretty damn brazen, but I don't think that qualifies as being academically or politically superior. That's called blind ambition and perhaps a little delusion of grandeur.

I agree with you in that Obama does seem to be intelligent and fairly eloquent. He has more of what I call crowd charisma than McCain. However, I don't grasp how people are able to see all of this experience and aplomb that Obama supposedly has? On paper he is a Junior Senator from Illinois that is still wet behind the ears. In his mind and in the minds of his followers he is the "messiah". Or as Oprah put it...he is "the one". However, I don't get the cult phenomenon with this guy. Neither do a lot of people. It's just creepy and that's about it.

[gpamp]

I don't know why it boiled down to Obama vs. Palin. I guess because the Republicans have pretty much hung their hats on her. It's probably because I said something about not caring how the election went, until McCain got Palin on the ticket.

As far as the "creepy" factor you spoke of, Mustangman, I think the Palin *wink* and all the Palin-isms are WAY creepier. I loved the debate sketch they did on SNL, when Tina Fey asks the Biden guy "Can I call you Joe? Because I have a really witty one-liner.", which is EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED IN THE DEBATE. She just didn't say the last part, she did it. The fact that she pretended to be sincere by asking if she could refer to him as a friend would, then using that in her semi-funny-non-factual retort later on, shows her in a phony light.

I just don't buy the act. At all.

[Mustangman_2000]

As far as the "creepy" factor you spoke of, Mustangman, I think the Palin *wink* and all the Palin-isms are WAY creepier. I loved the debate sketch they did on SNL, when Tina Fey asks the Biden guy "Can I call you Joe? Because I have a really witty one-liner.", which is EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED IN THE DEBATE. She just didn't say the last part, she did it. The fact that she pretended to be sincere by asking if she could refer to him as a friend would, then using that in her semi-funny-non-factual retort later on, shows her in a phony light.

I just don't buy the act. At all.

There is a difference when referencing these two people. I personally think Sarah Palin is a decent person and just as or more qualified on paper as Obama. I'm sure you disagree with that, but that's not really my main point. You think Palin is being disingenuous and creepy. I think Obama is being disingenuous and the people in his social circles are very creepy. We can just agree to disagree on that point.

The big difference between these two people is that there are people that see Obama as the second coming. I'm not exaggerating either. There was even a video on youtube somewhere of a politician in D.C. referring to him as messiah or god like in some way. I'm going to be nice here and say that surely you are smart enough to see how absurd that is. I say absurd, but I really feel it's quite disturbing. It's mental illness for someone to canonize this man just because he's a black guy running for a high profile position. It's just plain nuts. Somewhere deep down you have to recognize that. If you don't, then I've given you too much credit up to this point.

If you can't see how people go off the deep end on this Obama cultism then you are not being reasonable. Imagine how the left would react if large portions of people starting doing the same towards McCain. You would be laughing just like we are laughing now.

[Mr Majestyk]

I think I know why he picked Biden.

Obama wants to be the dumbest person in the room, during cabinet meetings. He knows that the only way he can grow into the presidency, is to surround himself with some of the best & brightest. And with Biden's foreign policy experience (that even John McCain hails), he's more important than ever at this time in American history.

Obama is not dumb. You can't honestly believe he's not brilliantly calculated. He wouldn't have gotten this far, this early, if he wasn't.

The Presidency is not something to be "grown into". Since he doesn't already have what it takes to be President, and he doesn't by your own admission, it is going to go rather badly for this country if this wanna-be is elected.

[mutherjuggz]

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Show me. And I want a newspaper article. Not a blog or anything that has the word "conservative", "right", or "Republican" in the title of the site.

Obama did not "openly admit" that.

:rolleyes:

So Obama is the shit because he'll wear a flag pin, and it's okay that he does not honor the flag during the National Anthem or Pledge of Allegiance by placing his hand over his heart and participating. He simply stands there with his hands folded and waits for it to be over with...

and McCain is the douche for not wearing a flag pin, even though he served his country and knows a thing or twenty about being a true American

did I leave anything out?

[slow06]

Maybe I missed something, but why are we comparing Obama to Palin? If you are going to compare, I think you should at least compare those running for the same offices.

[gpamp]

So Obama is the shit because he'll wear a flag pin, and it's okay that he does not honor the flag during the National Anthem or Pledge of Allegiance by placing his hand over his heart and participating. He simply stands there with his hands folded and waits for it to be over with...

and McCain is the douche for not wearing a flag pin, even though he served his country and knows a thing or twenty about being a true American

did I leave anything out?
You did.

Obama was shown not his hand over his heart ONCE. Don't make it sound like he never does, just because that's the Fox News thing to do.

The REASON it's a big deal that McCain didn't wear a flag pin, was because Conservatives made a huge deal when Obama didn't wear one, ONCE.

So, you did leave a little bit out, but it's not completely your fault. The tried & true method of Conservative media is lying by omission.

[gpamp]

The Presidency is not something to be "grown into". Since he doesn't already have what it takes to be President, and he doesn't by your own admission, it is going to go rather badly for this country if this wanna-be is elected.
Every office is something you grow into. I don't mean you start out as a kid. I mean, you get better at the job you take on. It's true in ANY job situation, even the Presidency.

I'm sure if Bush had 16 more years, he might've grown a little, too.

[Nate]

GPamp...you showing up for the GTG on Nov 4th to watch the election with us?

[gpamp]

There is a difference when referencing these two people. I personally think Sarah Palin is a decent person and just as or more qualified on paper as Obama. I'm sure you disagree with that, but that's not really my main point. You think Palin is being disingenuous and creepy. I think Obama is being disingenuous and the people in his social circles are very creepy. We can just agree to disagree on that point.

The big difference between these two people is that there are people that see Obama as the second coming. I'm not exaggerating either. There was even a video on youtube somewhere of a politician in D.C. referring to him as messiah or god like in some way. I'm going to be nice here and say that surely you are smart enough to see how absurd that is. I say absurd, but I really feel it's quite disturbing. It's mental illness for someone to canonize this man just because he's a black guy running for a high profile position. It's just plain nuts. Somewhere deep down you have to recognize that. If you don't, then I've given you too much credit up to this point.

If you can't see how people go off the deep end on this Obama cultism then you are not being reasonable. Imagine how the left would react if large portions of people starting doing the same towards McCain. You would be laughing just like we are laughing now.
No, you are exaggerating a little. Half the people I hang out with are voting for Obama, and big supporters of his, but none of them think he's the second coming. There's fanatics everywhere. I'm sure someone thinks Tony Romo is the second coming. That doesn't mean all Cowboy fans do. Surely you're smart enough to know that.

There's a reason nobody is really excited about McCain.

[Nate]

GPamp...you showing up for the GTG on Nov 4th to watch the election with us?
:confused:

[gpamp]

GPamp...you showing up for the GTG on Nov 4th to watch the election with us?
Nah. I have plans to watch it with a friend.

[1fastdem]

The Presidency is not something to be "grown into". Since he doesn't already have what it takes to be President, and he doesn't by your own admission, it is going to go rather badly for this country if this wanna-be is elected.


While, I think you are correct that you can't 'grow' into the job. It is impossible for anyone to be 100% ready on Nov 5th. We all consider ourselves to be smart individuals but even given 10 years to prepare for the office. We'd still be a little overwhelmed the first day. Can any length of time fully prepare you for that job? McCain has been a politician for over 20 years. And I'd bet the last 15 years preparing to be president. That is a long time. Obama has been accused in this thread of ambition. If that is true and I think he is ambitious, how long has he been preparing for this run and the job of president. 10 years or more, I'd bet - the present votes in the Il. senate would seem to indicate bigger goals the state senator. In both cases, they are accomplished politicians and have been working for this for years. In a purely straight-forward way, they have been the two best at their work. We can at least give both credit for that. And I think realistically both will have an adjustment/learning period. That is part of the transition period between the election and the inauguration.

This isn't a defense of anyone so much as an injection of some realism.

[Paladin]

You did.

Obama was shown not his hand over his heart ONCE. Don't make it sound like he never does, just because that's the Fox News thing to do.

So it is okay with you that a guy with a very questionable record was so careless that he didn't salute the flag properly while asking to be the leader of the country that flag stands for?

The REASON it's a big deal that McCain didn't wear a flag pin, was because Conservatives made a huge deal when Obama didn't wear one, ONCE.

You still don't see the difference between McCain not wearing a flag pin by choice when Obama refused to wear one until his handlers advised him how wrong it was that he didn't wear one? He refused to wear one and said so in many interviews before he flip-flopped and decided to wear one. Obama's patriotism is in question by some and no one with any common sense would ever question McCain's patriotism. There is a difference when a Presidential candidate REFUSES to wear one and when a candidate DOES not wear one every once in awhile. It is not the wearing of the pin that makes the difference, it is the person and the choices they have made. Obama continues to make poor choices and show poor judgment.

The difference is obvious to all but you Obama sheeple koolaid drinkers.

So, you did leave a little bit out, but it's not completely your fault. The tried & true method of Conservative media is lying by omission.

The liar has the nerve to accuse others of lying? How typically hypocritical of you.

[Nate]

Nah. I have plans to watch it with a friend.
Bring the friend out with you, I'm sure everyone would love for you to be there and buy you a beer.

[Paladin]

While, I think you are correct that you can't 'grow' into the job. It is impossible for anyone to be 100% ready on Nov 5th. We all consider ourselves to be smart individuals but even given 10 years to prepare for the office. We'd still be a little overwhelmed the first day. Can any length of time fully prepare you for that job? McCain has been a politician for over 20 years. And I'd bet the last 15 years preparing to be president. That is a long time. Obama has been accused in this thread of ambition. If that is true and I think he is ambitious, how long has he been preparing for this run and the job of president. 10 years or more, I'd bet - the present votes in the Il. senate would seem to indicate bigger goals the state senator. In both cases, they are accomplished politicians and have been working for this for years. In a purely straight-forward way, they have been the two best at their work. We can at least give both credit for that. And I think realistically both will have an adjustment/learning period. That is part of the transition period between the election and the inauguration.

This isn't a defense of anyone so much as an injection of some realism.

Why is it when conservatives accuse Obama of having been calculated and a typical politician with his votes/non-votes while in the state senate and US Senate that we are wrong but you can admit he has been a typical politician for nearly 10 years like it is admirable?

I though he was going to bring "Change" that no typical politican could bring?

[GT Dan]

There is a difference when referencing these two people. I personally think Sarah Palin is a decent person and just as or more qualified on paper as Obama. I'm sure you disagree with that, but that's not really my main point. You think Palin is being disingenuous and creepy. I think Obama is being disingenuous and the people in his social circles are very creepy. We can just agree to disagree on that point.

The big difference between these two people is that there are people that see Obama as the second coming. I'm not exaggerating either. There was even a video on youtube somewhere of a politician in D.C. referring to him as messiah or god like in some way. I'm going to be nice here and say that surely you are smart enough to see how absurd that is. I say absurd, but I really feel it's quite disturbing. It's mental illness for someone to canonize this man just because he's a black guy running for a high profile position. It's just plain nuts. Somewhere deep down you have to recognize that. If you don't, then I've given you too much credit up to this point.

If you can't see how people go off the deep end on this Obama cultism then you are not being reasonable. Imagine how the left would react if large portions of people starting doing the same towards McCain. You would be laughing just like we are laughing now.

Good Stuff Tim!

[gpamp]

So it is okay with you that a guy with a very questionable record was so careless that he didn't salute the flag properly while asking to be the leader of the country that flag stands for?

You still don't see the difference between McCain not wearing a flag pin by choice when Obama refused to wear one until his handlers advised him how wrong it was that he didn't wear one? He refused to wear one and said so in many interviews before he flip-flopped and decided to wear one. Obama's patriotism is in question by some and no one with any common sense would ever question McCain's patriotism. There is a difference when a Presidential candidate REFUSES to wear one and when a candidate DOES not wear one every once in awhile. It is not the wearing of the pin that makes the difference, it is the person and the choices they have made. Obama continues to make poor choices and show poor judgment.

The difference is obvious to all but you Obama sheeple koolaid drinkers.

The liar has the nerve to accuse others of lying? How typically hypocritical of you.
I was going to respond to each point, then I realized this could sum it all up:

The regurgitator of Fox News talking points has the nerve to accuse others of koolaid drinking. How typically douchey of you.

[1fastdem]

Paladin - You make a good point aboot Obama changing his mind on the flag pin after stating he wouldn't wear one. Obama did change his stance but was it the right thing to do. I agreed with his original opinion that the media's focus on the pin was absurd. True patriotism isn't a pin, bumper sticker, etc. True patriotism to me is doing what you think is right for your country no matter what the personal consequences are. That McCain shows that kind of patriotism is unquestionable. The problem we, all of us, have is defining 'doing what you think is right'. Is it military service? Yes. Is it public service? Yes or it could be. Is it helping the poor? Some say yes, some may say no. Is it paying a little more in taxes so the poor are a little better off? Many here will say no but a few will say yes. Is it politics? I don't know.

My point it patriotism means so many things to so many people it is hard to qualify. The media likes sound-bites, easy labels, photo so that is what we get of both. And it is a distraction we don't need now.

Also, proper posture for The Star Spangled Banner is "to stand and remove any headgear (if it isn't part of your uniform) or to stand at attention for armed service persons." I am unaware of any time where he failed to have his hand over his during the Pledge. (footnote - The quoted text is copied from Denny)

[1fastdem]

Why is it when conservatives accuse Obama of having been calculated and a typical politician with his votes/non-votes while in the state senate and US Senate that we are wrong but you can admit he has been a typical politician for nearly 10 years like it is admirable?

I though he was going to bring "Change" that no typical politican could bring?

I don't mean it as admirable, just that both men have been preparing for this for a while. That isn't good or bed. Just the way it is. It takes time to prepare for the presidency. I also don't believe I have ever said he isn't a politician wanting to get elected so in th sense he is typical.

"Change" is a soundbite.

[1fastdem]

Why is it when conservatives accuse Obama of having been calculated and a typical politician with his votes/non-votes while in the state senate and US Senate that we are wrong but you can admit he has been a typical politician for nearly 10 years like it is admirable?

I though he was going to bring "Change" that no typical politican could bring?


From a business and non-political angle, don't you think it shows something to in 10 years have a serious chance to land the job of 'leader of the free world'? I couldn't do it. I doubt anyone here could. No matter your affiliation you have to respect that kind of success. Or in other words... Wouldn't you want to be that successful? Set for yourself an impossibly high goal and in 10 years accomplish it.

[Mr Majestyk]

Every office is something you grow into. I don't mean you start out as a kid. I mean, you get better at the job you take on. It's true in ANY job situation, even the Presidency.

I'm sure if Bush had 16 more years, he might've grown a little, too.

I don't know that Presidents can get better at their job than they initially demonstrate. Many two-term Presidents totally flop during their second term, at a time by which they should have gotten better at their job according to your statement. Recent examples: Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton, and George W. Bush.

[1fastdem]

I don't know that Presidents get better at their job. Many two-term Presidents totally flop during their second term, at a time by which they should have gotten better at their job according to your statement. Recent examples: Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton, and George W. Bush.

I would argue Bush got better. A lot better.

[Mr Majestyk]

Bush hasn't been all that great either at the beginning or the end.

[1fastdem]

Bush hasn't been all that great either at the beginning or the end.


Positives on Bush's second term (IMO)
Foreign Policy
1. The surge
2. N. Korea. Or more specifically proding China on N. Korea and getting inspectors in.
3. Restraining Israel from a haste strike on Iran. And working with EU on this. (I know, I know. bomb it now. But people diplomacy takes time. Look at Lybia. Without diplomacy there we would not know as much as we do now about the nuke programs around the world. Remember they exposed that Pak. scientist , Kahn or whoever)
Domestic
1. It is too early to judge the bailout as being effective or a waste. That will have to be done years down the road. Of couse, we can debate if it was the right thing to do.
2. No additional terror strikes in the US.
3. Reversed some (and I mean some) of the presidential orders on domestic surveilence.

Maybe it was just that IMO he had a terrible 1st term that all he had to do was get back to zero to improve his 2nd. But he has gotten better.

[mutherjuggz]

GPamp...you showing up for the GTG on Nov 4th to watch the election with us?

He is an argumentatvie sum'bitch isn't he? LOL

[gpamp]

He is an argumentatvie sum'bitch isn't he? LOL
I'm lovable enough.

I just live in an idealistic world where everyone can have different opinions and not be "un-American" because of it. A lot of people in here are so extreme, that that idealism has become quixotic.

[black01gt]

I would argue Bush got better. A lot better.
And my haven't those Cowboys gotten better as the season advances? :D

[sonic03gt]

Does McCain not wear an American flag lapel pin because he hates God or Country? Or both?

Apparently, he hasn't worn one to any of the debates between he and Obama. It was a big deal when Obama didn't, so I was wondering if Republicans saw it as a big deal that McCain didn't, or if the spin-cycle has already "corrected" this.


I don't have a problem with it, cuz I know he's wearing these:

http://www.totalrocky.com/archive/photos/wardrobe_shorts.jpg

[gpamp]

I don't have a problem with it, cuz I know he's wearing these:

http://www.totalrocky.com/archive/photos/wardrobe_shorts.jpg
Best response! I laughed, then tried to order them.