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ayzo
09-26-2008, 03:36 AM
http://www.fdic.gov/bank/individual/failed/wamu.html

http://www.cnbc.com/id/26893741

Washington Mutual was closed by the U.S. government in by far the largest failure of a U.S. bank, and its banking assets were sold to JPMorgan Chase for $1.9 billion.

The rescue marks a historic step to clean up a U.S. financial system littered with toxic mortgage debt.

Washington Mutual, the largest U.S. savings and loan, was closed by the federal Office of Thrift Supervision, and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp was named receiver. Customers should expect business as usual on Friday, the FDIC said.

The bailout came after the thrift suffered deposit outflows of $16.7 billion since Sept. 15, the OTS said.

"With insufficient liquidity to meet its obligations, WaMu was in an unsafe and unsound condition to transact business," the OTS said.

Seattle-based Washington Mutual has about $307 billion of assets and $188 billion of deposits, regulators said. The nation's largest previous banking failure was Continental Illinois National Bank & Trust, which had $40 billion of assets when it collapsed in 1984.

The transaction gives JPMorgan roughly 5,400 branches, and fulfills JPMorgan Chief Executive Jamie Dimon's long-held goal of becoming a retail bank force in the western United States.

It comes four months after JPMorgan acquired the failing investment bank Bear Stearns Cos at a fire-sale price.

"Jamie Dimon is clearly feeling that he has an opportunity to grab market share, and get it at fire-sale prices," said Matt McCormick, a portfolio manager at Bahl & Gaynor Investment Counsel in Cincinnati. "He's becoming an acquisition machine."

On a conference call, JPMorgan said the transaction will add to earnings immediately, and result in $1.5 billion of annual cost savings, including from the closure of less than 10 percent of the combined company's branches. He also said JPMorgan plans to issue $8 billion of stock.

The acquisition does not cover Washington Mutual's equity, senior debt and subordinated debt holders, the FDIC. The FDIC said the transaction will not affect its roughly $45.2 billion deposit insurance fund.

The transaction also comes as Washington wrangles over the fate of a $700 billion bailout of the financial services industry, which has been battered by mortgage defaults and tight credit conditions, and evaporating investor confidence.

"It removes an uncertainty from the market," said Shane Oliver, head of investment strategy at AMP Capital in Sydney. "The problem is that markets are in a jittery stage. Washington Mutual provides another reminder how tenuous things are."

Washington Mutual's collapse is the latest of a series of takeovers and outright failures that have transformed the American financial landscape and wiped out hundreds of billions of dollars of shareholder wealth.

These include the disappearance of Bear, government takeovers of mortgage companies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the insurer American International Group, the bankruptcy filing of Lehman Brothers Holdings, and Bank of America Corp's planned purchase of Merrill Lynch.

JPMorgan, based in New York, ended June with $1.78 trillion of assets, $722.9 billion of deposits and 3,157 branches. Washington Mutual had 2,239 branches and 43,198 employees.

The transaction ends exactly 119 years of independence for Washington Mutual, whose predecessor was incorporated on Sept. 25, 1889, "to offer its stockholders a safe and profitable vehicle for investing and lending," according to the thrift's website. This helped Seattle residents rebuild after a fire torched the city's downtown.

It also follows more than a week of sale talks in which Washington Mutual attracted interest from several suitors.


And in other news, the FDIC needs a bailout to handle all of the failing banks:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=amZxIbcjZISU&refer=home

chuckacosta
09-26-2008, 05:15 AM
Sure as hell am glad I don't work for them anymore! :rolleyes:

That_Is_My_El_Camino
09-26-2008, 05:58 AM
Sweet! So that means I don't have to pay off my credit card, right?

01WhiteCobra
09-26-2008, 07:46 AM
Sweet! So that means I don't have to pay off my credit card, right?

Nah, means in a few months you'll be making your check out to Chase.

Wonder if that dude on here that bought WM for 1.90 a share sold like I told him to... it's trading at .1507 right now.

White trash wagon
09-26-2008, 07:59 AM
It's been obvious for months WaMu was in DEEP trouble. No surprise here.

thesource
09-26-2008, 08:06 AM
So guess share holders of WM are screwed ? Or is it like a buy out and they receive "x" for their shares ? By the looks of the trading on WM , I'd say they don't get shit .

AL P
09-26-2008, 08:56 AM
Nah, means in a few months you'll be making your check out to Chase.

Wonder if that dude on here that bought WM for 1.90 a share sold like I told him to... it's trading at .1507 right now.

*Shakes fist at sky* YOU SONS A BITCHES.... I bought it at $2.15.

I want my fucking $227 from those cocksuckers at JP Morgan.

At least my Morgan Stanley is still alive.

Better go get my $.16

Big Thumper
09-26-2008, 09:07 AM
lol...that's what happens when you bet on that horse that is 100:1.

IHaveAMustang
09-26-2008, 09:11 AM
Hmmm, all my accounts are with WAMU...

AL P
09-26-2008, 09:12 AM
lol...that's what happens when you bet on that horse that is 100:1.

I was thinking was more 300:1 haha

I'm still alive on JP Morgan though. They just came out and said they are going to get $8.5-9.5B from Mitsubishi.

67camino
09-26-2008, 09:12 AM
Hmmm, all my accounts are with WAMU...
NO they are with Chase. :rolleyes:

AL P
09-26-2008, 09:13 AM
Hmmm, all my accounts are with WAMU...

OH MY GOD GO TO THE BANK NOW AND GET ALL YOUR MONEYS!!!!111

Hmbre97
09-26-2008, 09:28 AM
Wonder if that dude on here that bought WM for 1.90 a share sold like I told him to... it's trading at .1507 right now.

Yeah, that was me. I sold some early last week but not all. In the end, didn't lose anything worth writing home about.

That_Is_My_El_Camino
09-26-2008, 10:43 AM
OH MY GOD GO TO THE BANK NOW AND GET ALL YOUR MONEYS!!!!111I tried, but they already tore down the Washington Mutual building and replaced it with a Chase. My munniez are gone. :(

Denny
09-26-2008, 10:55 AM
I once heeded the advice of a guy that seemed kinda smart...

"Don't try to catch a falling knife."

thesource
09-26-2008, 11:04 AM
Looks like the stock for WAMU has been halted as well . It will probably resume on the pink sheets like LEH but who knows at this point . It might be game over for anyone still holding shares in the company .

TexasDevilDog
09-26-2008, 05:03 PM
For being a credit crisis and fear running in the streets, JPM sure seems to buying up banks left and right this year. I hear they have their eyes on some foreign banks too. Maybe that is where all the money is disappearing to.

AL P
09-26-2008, 05:41 PM
For being a credit crisis and fear running in the streets, JPM sure seems to buying up banks left and right this year. I hear they have their eyes on some foreign banks too. Maybe that is where all the money is disappearing to.

They are getting $8.5-9.5 billion from Mitsubishi to fund all this shit.

TexasDevilDog
09-26-2008, 05:56 PM
They are getting $8.5-9.5 billion from Mitsubishi to fund all this shit.

I guess credit hasn't not siezed up, even though we are more than a week in the Paulson panic.

AL P
09-26-2008, 06:02 PM
I guess credit hasn't not siezed up, even though we are more than a week in the Paulson panic.

Wow, ok.

It's not credit it's equity. Same goes for the Berkshire-Goldman deal.

TexasDevilDog
09-26-2008, 06:13 PM
Wow, ok.

It's not credit it's equity. Same goes for the Berkshire-Goldman deal.

Ok, so the credit market is still siezed up but business is still continuing? I thought the economy was to stop.

AL P
09-26-2008, 06:17 PM
Ok, so the credit market is still siezed up but business is still continuing? I thought the economy was to stop.

Yes, because we know the question of the bailout has been solved.

I love it when people are deliberately obtuse. It's like me pointing out that you said "things are fine" when we had the largest bank failure in the history of mankind just 24 hours ago.

TexasDevilDog
09-26-2008, 06:27 PM
Yes, because we know the question of the bailout has been solved.


Solved how?

AL P
09-26-2008, 06:34 PM
Solved how?

You tell me, you are the one who seems to think the financial crisis is behind us because Goldman and Morgan Stanley sold some stock. Go ahead and explain.

TexasDevilDog
09-26-2008, 06:37 PM
You tell me, you are the one who seems to think the financial crisis is behind us because Goldman and Morgan Stanley sold some stock. Go ahead and explain.

Sorry, I don't know of any bailout that is solved.

thesource
09-26-2008, 11:01 PM
I was listening to something early on the radio about Wamu and they were saying that part of the bank would continue business . They were also saying that they could turn part of the business around and make it profitable again . I just caught the tail end of the interview but it was on NPR .

AL P
09-26-2008, 11:15 PM
I was listening to something early on the radio about Wamu and they were saying that part of the bank would continue business . They were also saying that they could turn part of the business around and make it profitable again . I just caught the tail end of the interview but it was on NPR .

The operations side of Wamu is profitable.

Shit when you look at this whole thing this is really a balance sheet issue that revolves around aggressive devaluation of assets. Once a bank goes below a certain level of assets they are deemed insolvent. The assets are devalued because they are securities and there is little market for them at the moment, despite a net present value from cash flow that is positive. What simpletons who don't understand the accounting side of things don't realize is that if the government deal is structured and administered properly it could end in a large profit for the Treasury. Instead idiots are hell bent on worrying about some CEO getting millions, playing golf and laughing all the way to the bank. Guess what, the CEOs are going to play golf no matter what happens and they laugh all the way to the bank on the 15th and 30th of every month.

AL P
09-26-2008, 11:17 PM
Sorry, I don't know of any bailout that is solved.

A lack of action on the part of the Feds is what triggers a complete collapse of the credit markets. I'm not sure why that seems beyond your grasp.

slow99
09-26-2008, 11:27 PM
The operations side of Wamu is profitable.

Shit when you look at this whole thing this is really a balance sheet issue that revolves around aggressive devaluation of assets. Once a bank goes below a certain level of assets they are deemed insolvent. The assets are devalued because they are securities and there is little market for them at the moment, despite a net present value from cash flow that is positive. What simpletons who don't understand the accounting side of things don't realize is that if the government deal is structured and administered properly it could end in a large profit for the Treasury. Instead idiots are hell bent on worrying about some CEO getting millions, playing golf and laughing all the way to the bank. Guess what, the CEOs are going to play golf no matter what happens and they laugh all the way to the bank on the 15th and 30th of every month.

The new balance sheet equation:

A? = L + E?

TexasDevilDog
09-27-2008, 01:59 PM
A lack of action on the part of the Feds is what triggers a complete collapse of the credit markets. I'm not sure why that seems beyond your grasp.

The sky is falling, the sky is falling.

Any action to bail them out, creates a moral hazard of setting presidence. We cannot reward bad behavior or we will have to always do it.

AL P
09-27-2008, 02:09 PM
The sky is falling, the sky is falling.

Any action to bail them out, creates a moral hazard of setting presidence. We cannot reward bad behavior or we will have to always do it.

Yea we heard you the first 300 times you said that. I'm just having a real hard time trusting your judgement and opinion when all you do is repeat alarmist shit you happened to read in the paper.