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Chopped54
09-25-2008, 08:03 AM
....is going to suspend his campaign and work on getting the bailout plan together. In addition he has also asked the Obama camp to postpone the debate. He never said cancel, he simply said POSTPONE until an agreement is made on the plan, WHICH I AM FULLY AGAINST! Of course Obama said no, and is still going to show up. Obama said that the president will have to be able to do more then 2 things at a time. IT IS A FUCKING DEBATE VS THE COUNTRY'S ECONOMIC FUTURE!!!
Thoughts?
Vertnut
09-25-2008, 08:05 AM
....is going to suspend his campaign and work on getting the bailout plan together. In addition he has also asked the Obama camp to postpone the debate. He never said cancel, he simply said POSTPONE until an agreement is made on the plan, WHICH I AM FULLY AGAINST! Of course Obama said no, and is still going to show up. Obama said that the president will have to be able to do more then 2 things at a time. IT IS A FUCKING DEBATE VS THE COUNTRY'S ECONOMIC FUTURE!!!
Obama has found himself in a jam. If he goes along with McCain, he looks weak for giving in. If he goes to the debate, he comes across as pompous (which he is), and uncaring.
Mustangman_2000
09-25-2008, 08:05 AM
http://www.dfwstangs.net/forums/showthread.php?t=371781
Slowhand
09-25-2008, 08:06 AM
He's doing a fairly good job of making an ass of himself, and that's saving me a great deal of time. Instead of writing rants to expose his flawed logic (or lack thereof), I can just endlessly quote him!
Sgt Beavis
09-25-2008, 08:07 AM
Frankly I agree with Obama. The debate should go on.
Because neither of those dumb shits have a fucking clue on how to fix this. I would rather hear what they are going to do to fuck it up even more.
If it was up to me all senators would stay out of Washington, if the two presidential candidates can sit there with a straight face and say it's impossible to manage 2 crucial issues at the same time than both of them are way over their head and unqualified to be president. Why McCain would even pull this is beyond reason, this debate is about foreign policy and he will absolutely wipe the floor with Obama and make him look like an inexperienced chump in front of 100 million viewers. Obama says the debate is on, and the University of Mississippi say it's on so if McCain doesn't show up it'll be his biggest mistake yet.
Vertnut
09-25-2008, 08:29 AM
If it was up to me all senators would stay out of Washington, if the two presidential candidates can sit there with a straight face and say it's impossible to manage 2 crucial issues at the same time than both of them are way over their head and unqualified to be president. Why McCain would even pull this is beyond reason, this debate is about foreign policy and he will absolutely wipe the floor with Obama and make him look like an inexperienced chump in front of 100 million viewers. Obama says the debate is on, and the University of Mississippi say it's on so if McCain doesn't show up it'll be his biggest mistake yet.
Nah...McCain is just proving his point that the country's well-being is more important than a debate. It's his M.O., just like when he made the point about the "surge", and his quote about rather losing an election, than a war. He didn't cancel it, but just postponed it.
Sean88gt
09-25-2008, 08:32 AM
I'm sure if it continues that there will be an hour and half ass kissing fest of Obama.
black01gt
09-25-2008, 09:20 AM
If it takes these two to be in DC to figure this shit out, we're in deeper doo doo than I thought. Yep, given the time frame here I think they need to be talking to us. The only thing we need to suspend here is political ploys.
Cartman
09-25-2008, 08:18 PM
Nah...McCain is just proving his point that the country's well-being is more important than a debate. It's his M.O., just like when he made the point about the "surge", and his quote about rather losing an election, than a war. He didn't cancel it, but just postponed it.
lol...if the roles were reversed and it was mccain that wanted to do the debate, you would say obama is ducking it or can't do two things at one time etc... :rolleyes:
PWTRTXSS
09-25-2008, 11:39 PM
These two guys may be senators but they were chosen by their respective parties to run for the highest office in the country. That should be priority one for these guys.
It is starting to look like McCain doesn't really want to be President and I can't say that I blame him because the loser gets a set of steak knives and the winner gets a shit storm.
kpc01
09-25-2008, 11:49 PM
where I would like to see the debate....cause I want to see McCain whip his ass like the rest of most of us....
I have to say that "more than likely" no one posted above me does NOT know who they will vote for. Will this debate really make your decision on what you will do? Unfortunately, those of us that really care to see it are the ones who more than likely already have their vote locked in....
Skidmark
09-25-2008, 11:50 PM
I think you're right bro. In my mind my vote is locked and I really don't think I could be convinced to vote the other way.
99MustangGT
09-25-2008, 11:57 PM
McCain shouldn't "suspend" his campaign. If foreign policy is so easy for him then he shouldn't have a problem showing up, kicking ass, and showing up at Washington with a plan. I doubt one debate will upset America's economic problem even more than it is right now. If he wants to be the president, he needs to multi-task better than this. He can't just blow the TO whistle everytime he needs a break to regroup and figure shit out.
Newsflash! John McCain isn't on the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs. He's not involved in the negotiations over the legislation, just the associated grandstanding.
http://banking.senate.gov/public/
Vertnut
09-26-2008, 06:10 AM
lol...if the roles were reversed and it was mccain that wanted to do the debate, you would say obama is ducking it or can't do two things at one time etc... :rolleyes:
So you read minds, too? :rolleyes: Obama himself stated that the issue was the worst thing since the "depression". Senator's are still part of congress, and it needs to come first over a debate. This is a pattern for McCain. It's not out of character at all for him, but it is for Obama. He doesn't give two shits about anything except being the Prez. He hasn't been in D.C. for almost two years, due to his campaigning for president. Check out his voting and attendance records...You should focus more on the things you know about, like the ass-whipping that your Hogs are going to get tomorrow.
Vertnut
09-26-2008, 06:13 AM
Newsflash! John McCain isn't on the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs. He's not involved in the negotiations over the legislation, just the associated grandstanding.
http://banking.senate.gov/public/
No, but at this point, he IS the most influential Republican, and as President, he and Barry will have to live with whatever comes down the pike. I would want to know all I could about a deal this big that will have a major impact on my presidency. Obama should feel the same, and that's why Bush called them both in...
gpamp
09-26-2008, 08:09 AM
The fact that he "suspended" his campaign is nullified by the other fact that he's going around speaking about how he's "suspending his campaign" to "help the American people".
I love that Obama basically called him out for grandstanding, by keeping the debate on the table.
This, plus watching Palin unravel as one of the most incompetant people holding office today, and watching the Great Depression II happen, is proving that Democrats will be the victors this year.
The fact that he "suspended" his campaign is nullified by the other fact that he's going around speaking about how he's "suspending his campaign" to "help the American people".
I love that Obama basically called him out for grandstanding, by keeping the debate on the table.
This, plus watching Palin unravel as one of the most incompetant people holding office today, and watching the Great Depression II happen, is proving that Democrats will be the victors this year.
I'd like your comments on Clinton rewriting Fanny and Freddy during his administration and how that is reflected in today's Great Depression II?
Vertnut
09-26-2008, 09:39 AM
I'd like your comments on Clinton rewriting Fanny and Freddy during his administration and how that is reflected in today's Great Depression II?
He can't, because his political "world" began last year when his "messiah" began his run for the presidency. :rolleyes:
Damn, gpamp took it too far again, lol.
bcoop
09-26-2008, 10:32 AM
The fact that he "suspended" his campaign is nullified by the other fact that he's going around speaking about how he's "suspending his campaign" to "help the American people".
I love that Obama basically called him out for grandstanding, by keeping the debate on the table.
This, plus watching Palin unravel as one of the most incompetant people holding office today, and watching the Great Depression II happen, is proving that Democrats will be the victors this year.
LMFAO!
Democrats hold a lot of blame for this "Great Depression II". Most incompetent people holding office today? Biden doesn't even know that TVs were not yet invented in 1929. Nor did he know who the President was during the Great Depression. But, I digress. Please, continue on about how Palin is the most incompetent person holding office today. Just next time, make sure your faggot ass spells it right.
Shall I redirect you to this thread?
http://www.dfwstangs.net/forums/showthread.php?t=371831
I like how you dodged it the first time around.
Democrats AND Republicans are responsible for this problem. Bipartisan committees pushed to deregulate the lending industry. They're all a bunch of prostitutes.
bcoop
09-26-2008, 10:42 AM
Democrats AND Republicans are responsible for this problem. Bipartisan committees pushed to deregulate the lending industry. They're all a bunch of prostitutes.
I know both are to blame, but Clinton himself started this nonsense. ;)
I know both are to blame, but Clinton himself started this nonsense. ;)
Oh yeah, I remember.
jones4stangs
09-26-2008, 10:47 AM
I think they should do both: have the debate and vote on the legislation.
Let them figure out how to balance their time.
They both have access to enormous resources to form an opinion on the bailout. I expect them both to be in the Senate chambers when it's time to vote.
They should already be prepared for the debate. If they have to go into a little colder than they'd like, too bad, welcome to the White House.
bcoop
09-26-2008, 10:49 AM
Oh yeah, I remember.
He's the one that started that big push on minority's buying homes, back when he was in office. Racist, not racist, whatever you want to call it. You simply can't deny a connection between race and non performing loans. And before anyone gets all butt hurt, yes, I'm well aware that white trash was out there buying houses they couldn't afford, either.
jones4stangs
09-26-2008, 12:50 PM
He's the one that started that big push on minority's buying homes, back when he was in office. Racist, not racist, whatever you want to call it. You simply can't deny a connection between race and non performing loans. And before anyone gets all butt hurt, yes, I'm well aware that white trash was out there buying houses they couldn't afford, either.
Huh? Can't deny the race connection... but white trash was out there too?
Is the common factor race, culture, or money?
Please find some numbers for this to make sense.
bcoop
09-26-2008, 01:21 PM
Huh? Can't deny the race connection... but white trash was out there too?
Is the common factor race, culture, or money?
Please find some numbers for this to make sense.
You know, now that I think about it, I probably should have said culture/money. Poorer folks (regardless of race), were out buying houses they knew they couldn't pay for. I have no idea where to find statistics making a connection between race and poverty, or low income, etc.
My bad!
Vertnut
09-26-2008, 01:36 PM
You know, now that I think about it, I probably should have said culture/money. Poorer folks (regardless of race), were out buying houses they knew they couldn't pay for. I have no idea where to find statistics making a connection between race and poverty, or low income, etc.
My bad!
Actually, check into ACORN...you were on the right track. ;)
01WhiteCobra
09-26-2008, 01:44 PM
They ought to have the debate. Two less morons working on the stupid bailout plan.
01WhiteCobra
09-26-2008, 01:56 PM
Just read it is on like donkey kong.
HOOCBB
09-26-2008, 02:00 PM
You know, now that I think about it, I probably should have said culture/money. Poorer folks (regardless of race), were out buying houses they knew they couldn't pay for. I have no idea where to find statistics making a connection between race and poverty, or low income, etc.
My bad!
It wasn't just "poorer" folks buying houses they couldn't afford. There was a LOT of speculatory buying using Adjustable Rate Mortgages (ARMs) with the intention that the house would later be sold for a profit. Unfortunately, these people did not read the loan contract and failed to realize when the rate would be adjusted thereby causing loan defaults. More and more rates were adjusted, causing more defaults. These people were stuck because they made a bad decision then couldn't get out of it due to the inability to refinance a house they truly could not afford. Complicate the housing crisis with rising inventories and the bottom falls out of the market.
Add on top of all of that the rising gas prices and people had to make some tough decisions. Pay the high gas prices to continue working thereby putting off some bills (namely credit cards) or pay the bills and not be able to make it to work to continue paying said bills. Even add on top of that, the short-sightedness of most people in our society that saw the gas prices rise and decided to dump the big SUVs for smaller more economical cars (that are mostly made overseas BTW, money flowing out of the country instead of flowing in, further complicated by outsourcing jobs and manufacturing).
Keep the cash in the US and our economy would have been fine, but the greed that drives corporations pushed our unemployment up and our GDP down.
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