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Sgt Beavis
09-22-2008, 04:11 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSISL4164820080922?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews


Pakistani troops fire on intruding U.S. choppers

By Augustine Anthony

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistani troops fired on two U.S. helicopters that intruded into Pakistani airspace on Sunday night, forcing them to turn back to Afghanistan, a senior Pakistani security official said on Monday.

It was the second such incident in a week, and reflects frayed relations with the United States over Pakistan's failure to act more forcibly against Islamist fighters in the tribal lands bordering Afghanistan.

The number of missile attacks by U.S. drone aircraft in the remote tribal areas has multiplied in recent weeks.

The helicopters violated the border in the area of Lowara Mandi, 40 km (25 miles) west of Miranshah, the main town in the North Waziristan tribal region, at around 9 p.m. on Sunday, the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject.

There was no official confirmation.

"We don't have any information on border violation by the American helicopters," Major Murad Khan, a military spokesman, said.

Residents said drones had been flying overnight and early on Monday over Miranshah but did not attack.

"It's really so scary, we just can't sleep when you hear them flying," said Zia-ur-Rehman, a resident of Hamzoni village near Miranshah.

Relations became strained between the allies in the war on terrorism after U.S. commandos raided a border village in South Waziristan and killed 20 people, including women and children, on September 3.

Pakistanis were outraged by the raid and the six-month-old civilian government issued a diplomatic protest.

It was the first overt incursion by U.S. ground troops into Pakistani territory, though the U.S. military has conducted numerous missile strikes against al Qaeda and Taliban targets in Pakistan's tribal lands.

ZARDARI TO MEET BUSH

The U.S. action prompted army chief General Ashfaq Kayani to issue a statement saying that foreign troops would not be allowed on Pakistani soil and Pakistan's sovereignty and territorial integrity would be defended at all costs.

Pakistani troops fired on two U.S. helicopters that crossed the border at the same village, Angor Adda, a week ago, again forcing them to turn back, according to residents and security officers.

Pakistan and the United States issued denials.

Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari is scheduled to meet President George W. Bush on Tuesday in the United States, and is also due to attend the U.N. General Assembly.

Pakistan's support is regarded as crucial to the success of Western forces trying to stabilize Afghanistan, and in the fight against al Qaeda.

Admiral Mike Mullen, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, held talks in Islamabad with top Pakistani officials last week. Mullen "reiterated the U.S. commitment to respect Pakistan's sovereignty", the U.S. embassy said in a statement.

The United States is Pakistan's largest donor, and the dissonance between them has been a factor pushing down Pakistani shares and the rupee because Pakistan needs an inflow of dollars to rebuild rapidly depleting foreign currency reserves to prop up its ailing economy.

and then there is this:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-09-21-pakistan-sunday_N.htm?csp=34


Pakistan rejects U.S. help in probe of hotel blast

SLAMABAD, Pakistan — Pakistan on Sunday rejected a U.S. offer to help investigate the weekend suicide bombing that killed at least 53 people and destroyed the Islamabad Marriott, this capital city's best-known hotel.

"We do not need help. We are competent. We reject it," Interior Ministry adviser Rehman Malik told reporters Sunday after the U.S. offered FBI help in pursuing the terrorists behind the attack.

The Marriott bombing is the latest in a series of terrorist attacks across Pakistan and will likely intensify debate within the country over Pakistani support for the U.S. war on terror, says Samina Ahmed, South Asia director for the conflict prevention, non-profit International Crisis Group.

"This strengthens those voices who say this is not our war," she says. Indeed, Maulana Fazal ur Rehman of the religious political party Jamiat Ulema Islam, part of the governing coalition, called Sunday for the country to drop former president Pervez Musharraf's policy of allying with the United States against the militants.

Rescuers continued to pull charred bodies from the wreckage, and fires continued to burn inside the hotel Sunday.

The attack on the heavily guarded, five-star hotel seemed designed to kill as many people as possible, Ahmed said. It occurred just after 8 p.m. Sunday when the hotel's popular restaurants were packed with Muslims just finishing their daytime fasting for the Ramadan holiday. "It was a cowardly act of terrorism in this holy month of Ramadan," Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani said. He announced a 10 million rupee ($143,000) reward for information on the attack.

Law Minister Farooq Naik called the attack Pakistan's 9/11.

The government released surveillance camera footage showing the attack. A suicide bomber at the wheel of a dump truck opened fire at Marriott security guards who refused to let him into the parking lot. He then detonated himself and started a small fire. The guards spent four minutes trying to extinguish the blaze when another, much bigger explosion went off. The truck had been carrying 1,300 pounds of explosives – making it the most powerful bomb terrorists have ever used in Pakistan, Malik said. The second blast left a crater 24 feet deep and 59 feet wide. At least 53 people died, including two Americans and the Czech ambassador who lived at the hotel.

The Marriott attack came exactly one year after al-Qaeda terrorist leader Osama bin Laden called for Muslims to wage holy war against the Pakistani government.

The Marriott was an oasis of civility for foreign diplomats and journalists assigned to Pakistan and for wealthy Pakistanis, who came for afternoon tea or sumptuous buffets at the Nadia restaurant. Like the Jan.14 attack on the five-star Serena hotel in the Afghan capital Kabul, it seemed designed to show that the militants could strike even the most heavily guarded targets in Pakistan and Afghanistan. "It is horrific," Ahmed said.

The Islamabad Marriott was attacked once before. In January 2007, a security guard blocked a suicide bomber, who detonated himself, killing the guard and wounding seven others.

Malik said he suspected Saturday's Marriott attack would be traced back to militants operating from the lawless tribal areas on Pakistan's northwest frontier with Afghanistan. "All roads lead to to South Waziristan," a militant hotbed in the tribal areas, he said.

The Taliban and their al-Qaeda allies regrouped in Pakistan's tribal areas after being driven from Afghanistan by U.S. forces following the 9/11 terrorist attacks on Washington and New York. They have been crossing the border and launching attacks on U.S. and NATO forces defending the pro-U.S. government of Afghan President Hamid Karzai.

For the past four years, the Pakistani army has unsuccessfully tried both offenses and truces to bring peace to the tribal areas. The United States has grown impatient and in recent weeks has launched its own air strikes and raids on Pakistani territory, straining relations with Pakistan's new government.

Polls show that the U.S. war on terror is very unpopular with the Pakistani people, who would prefer to see the government make peace, not war, with pro-Taliban militants. "The government has got to get the message across that this is our fight," Ahmed said.

The Marriott attack came hours after new Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari delivered a speech promising to get tough on terrorism – but also criticizing the U.S. cross-border attacks.

Zardari spoke to the country again a few hours after the attack. "We will fight this menace. We will not be frightened," he said. "We are a brave nation and should clean this cancer."

The Associated Press also reported:

• Leading newspapers in Pakistan urged the fledgling civilian government and the military today to craft a coherent policy against terrorism following the hotel bombing, no matter the reservations about America's actions in Afghanistan or elsewhere, and despite the notion that the Marriott was targeted because it was a social magnet for foreigners.

"It is time we accepted this war is our own," said a lengthy editorial in The News, one of the largest English language dailies in the country. "There must be no ambiguity about this."

Another leading daily, Dawn, said the country displayed a "distressing" lack of "visible direction," and that "the civilians leaders and their uniformed counterparts must draw up a clear policy to fight terrorism."

• Pakistan's army and the U.S. military in Afghanistan said troops and tribesmen opened fire when two U.S. helicopters crossed into Pakistan from Afghanistan. The two intelligence officials spoke on condition of anonymity today because they were not authorized to speak to media. They cited field informants.

• British Airways has temporarily suspended flights to and from Pakistan amid security fears, airline spokesman Suhail Rehman said today.

Paladin
09-23-2008, 04:55 PM
There is now a report saying they may have shot down an unmanned surveillance aircraft. This may get ugly real quick.

AL P
09-23-2008, 05:15 PM
And only about 3 years behind schedule. The only criticism I have is that we didn't do this sooner. I guess they thought that whole thing about being "with us or against us" was a joke. Bomb that shithole into the stone age.

GhostTX
09-24-2008, 08:36 AM
Bomb that shithole into the stone age.
Works for me.

Denny
09-24-2008, 10:29 AM
I just hope to make it back into theatre before shit goes down. I might get locked out.

thesource
09-24-2008, 01:09 PM
Those mother fuckers can't be trusted any further than they could be thrown . Personally , I do not believe any of those shit hole Arabic countries can be trusted .

1fastdem
09-25-2008, 01:39 PM
Looks like they shot at something a little more than a drone this time...

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE48O6FX20080925

Edit : From pentagon statement

thesource
09-25-2008, 02:29 PM
Looks like they shot at something a little more than a drone this time...

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE48O6FX20080925

Edit : From pentagon statement

They should have lit those goat fuckers up ......

AL P
09-25-2008, 03:03 PM
I got $1 that says the U.S. lights up some Pakistani ass this weekend.

5.0_CJ
09-25-2008, 03:10 PM
fuck it, might as well, everyone else is going to hell... if we're going to fork out 700 billion, let's toss in another couple for some bombs.

thesource
09-26-2008, 12:06 PM
If Pakistan engages a U.S. helicopter or ground forces , we should have the right to light their asses up . We don't need to have a Russia / Georgia beat down but they should know that firing on the U.S. is not a good idea .