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ayzo
09-21-2008, 07:55 AM
Interesting piece:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09212008/business/almost_armageddon_130110.htm


The market was 500 trades away from Armageddon on Thursday, traders inside two large custodial banks tell The Post.

Had the Treasury and Fed not quickly stepped into the fray that morning with a quick $105 billion injection of liquidity, the Dow could have collapsed to the 8,300-level - a 22 percent decline! - while the clang of the opening bell was still echoing around the cavernous exchange floor.

According to traders, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, money market funds were inundated with $500 billion in sell orders prior to the opening. The total money-market capitalization was roughly $4 trillion that morning.

The panicked selling was directly linked to the seizing up of the credit markets - including a $52 billion constriction in commercial paper - and the rumors of additional money market funds "breaking the buck," or dropping below $1 net asset value.

The Fed's dramatic $105 billion liquidity injection on Thursday (pre-market) was just enough to keep key institutional accounts from following through on the sell orders and starting a stampede of cash that could have brought large tracts of the US economy to a halt.

While many depositors treat money market accounts as fancy savings accounts, they are different. Banks buy a variety of short-term debt, including commercial paper, with the assets. It is an important distinction because banks use the $1.7 trillion commercial-paper market to fund their credit card operations and car finance companies use it to move autos.

Without commercial paper, "factories would have to shut down, people would lose their jobs and there would be an effect on the real economy," Paul Schott Stevens, of the Investment Company Institute, told the Wall Street Journal.

Cracks started to show in money market accounts late Tuesday when shares in one fund, the Reserve Primary Fund - which touted itself as super safe - fell below the golden $1 a share level. It had purchased what it thought was safe Lehman bonds, never dreaming they could default - which they did 24 hours earlier when the 158-year-old investment bank filed Chapter 11.

By Wednesday, banks sensed a run on their accounts. They started stockpiling cash in anticipation of withdrawals.

Banks, which usually keep an average of $2 billion in excess reserves earmarked for withdrawals, pumped that up to an astounding $90 billion by Wednesday, Lou Crandall, chief economist at Wrighton ICAP, told The Journal.

And for good reason. By the close of business on Wednesday, $144.5 billion - a record - had been withdrawn. How much money was taken out of money market funds the prior week? Roughly $7.1 billion, according to AMG Data Services.

By Thursday, that level, fed by the incredible volume of sell orders pouring in from institutional investors like pension funds and sovereign funds, had grown to $100 billion. It was still not enough to stem the tidal wave.

The banks knew something drastic had to be done. So did Paulson.

The injection of capital into the market was followed up by calls from Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson to major money market players like Bank of New York Mellon and State Street in Boston informing them that federal money was in the market and they should tell their clients the Feds would be back with a plan to stem the constriction in the credit market.

Paulson knew the $105 billion injection was not a real solution. A broader, more radical answer was needed.

Hours after Paulson made his round of calls to calm the industry, word leaked out that an added $1 trillion bailout of banks was being readied. Investors cheered. At about 3 p.m., news of the plans was filtering up and down Wall Street, fueling a 700-point advance in the Dow Jones industrial average through 4 p.m. Friday.

By that time, Paulson had announced the plan. It included insurance on money market accounts, a move that started in quiet Thursday morning, when the former Goldman Sachs executive saved the country from a paralyzing meltdown.

89gt-stanger
09-21-2008, 08:35 AM
jesus......

J&T's 82
09-21-2008, 09:16 AM
As fundamentally dumb as it might be, cashing in my 401K's and taking the penalty and tax hit actually crossed my mind last week. For the last 2 years I have felt like I have been rolling the window down on my car and throwing my money in the street.

01WhiteCobra
09-21-2008, 02:26 PM
Should have let it meltdown.

sc281_99-0135
09-21-2008, 02:51 PM
Should have let it meltdown.

yup, looks like were only prolonging the inevitable.

Dacotua
09-21-2008, 04:51 PM
The market will eventually correct itself anyway.

TexasDevilDog
09-21-2008, 05:59 PM
I am glad to see that we are becoming more and more like a state run economy. :rolleyes:

ayzo
09-21-2008, 06:45 PM
I am glad to see that we are becoming more and more like a state run economy. :rolleyes:

LOL at least the dictators seize the countries assets, here our government is seizing the liabilities! Putin and Chavez must be laughing their ass off...

TexasDevilDog
09-21-2008, 06:52 PM
LOL at least the dictators seize the countries assets, here our government is seizing the liabilities! Putin and Chavez must be laughing their ass off...

As soon as they get control of these debts, the government will need more money to pay the interest. I don't care who is elected, taxes will be raised after the election. I'll bet $100 on it.

Sgt Beavis
09-21-2008, 10:04 PM
As soon as they get control of these debts, the government will need more money to pay the interest. I don't care who is elected, taxes will be raised after the election. I'll bet $100 on it.

absolutely, there won't be any choice.

Not only that but you can count on a lot of benefits getting cut, say Social Security benefits.

White trash wagon
09-22-2008, 07:58 AM
21 years ago , on October 19, 1987 the stock market crashed worldwide. The Dow dropped 23%, Hong Kong 45%, and New Zealand 60%.

What did the US Goverment do about it? Nothing. The sky woud not have fallen last Friday, it didn't in 1987.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_market_crash_of_1987

Vertnut
09-22-2008, 08:02 AM
21 years ago , on October 19, 1987 the stock market crashed worldwide. The Dow dropped 23%, Hong Kong 45%, and New Zealand 60%.

What did the US Goverment do about it? Nothing. The sky woud not have fallen last Friday, it didn't in 1987.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_market_crash_of_1987
I'm really torn about all this "bail-out" BS. I'm thinking it's just a band-aid, when what we really need is a tourniquet... :o

AL P
09-22-2008, 09:13 AM
I hope it takes a shit this week and they blow some more smoke up everyone's ass, I want to buy some more. Last week was a great week for me!

mikeb
09-22-2008, 09:29 AM
I'm really torn about all this "bail-out" BS. I'm thinking it's just a band-aid, when what we really need is a tourniquet... :o

We're just prolonging the agony. IMO the longer it plays out the worse it will be when it all comes crashing down. Better to let it crash now and get it over with.

Tx Redneck
09-22-2008, 04:20 PM
That 500 trades away from meltdowns is malarkey. Are you gonna sit here and say that Mc D's, Dell, HP, Microsoft..... are 500 trades away from meltdown? :confused:

RiceStang
09-22-2008, 04:55 PM
It's all based upon confidence.

And right now, no one has much confidence in shit anyway. :(

Just take your $$$ outta the bank and stick it under your mattress.

01WhiteCobra
09-22-2008, 05:00 PM
That 500 trades away from meltdowns is malarkey. Are you gonna sit here and say that Mc D's, Dell, HP, Microsoft..... are 500 trades away from meltdown? :confused:

I'd say 500 billion in sell orders is pretty significant in a 4 trillion money market market cap.

Without the liquidity injection there could have been a much larger rash of snow balled selling that would have affected all the markets.