More of the same with Palin

[1fastdem]

Palin and her husband are refusing to cooperate with an investigation about alleged abuse of power. At issue is the investigation of "troopergate". I don't care much what it is about, but they won't cooperate with an investigation begun by the Alaska Legislative Council. (Remember the Alaska House and Senate are both Republican majorities). Palin initally said, "Hold me accountable". Now she is backing off from that.

This reminds me of former White House staffers Karl Rove and Harriet Miers. Who have not testified in front of congress even though they have been ordered to comply by a Federal District Court judge John Bates (appointed by President Bush).

Disagree if you wish on my opinion/comparison but I am factually correct.

[forever_frost]

Actually, if memory serves, she said the reason she wasn't going along with the investigation any longer was the people who were running it made some opinions as to her guilt. That right there is enough to make me go "Yep, do it yourself."

[Paladin]

A Republican Governor is not going to cooperate with a group of Democrats who have started an investigation based purely upon political partisanship?


Good for her!

[red93coupe]

Actually, if memory serves, she said the reason she wasn't going along with the investigation any longer was the people who were running it made some opinions as to her guilt. That right there is enough to make me go "Yep, do it yourself."


Correct. And, the "subpoenas" that are supposed to be issued will be blocked by the Alaska atty general anyway. She was within her rights to dismiss the public safety commissioner and nothing will come of this. There's no story here!!

[mikeb]

A Republican Governor is not going to cooperate with a group of Democrats who have started an investigation based purely upon political partisanship?


Good for her!

yep.

[1fastdem]

A Republican Governor is not going to cooperate with a group of Democrats who have started an investigation based purely upon political partisanship?


Good for her!


The Alaska Legislature is Republican. Check your facts.

[PWTRTXSS]

The Alaska Legislature is Republican. Check your facts.

A fact isn't a fact unless Bill O'reilly shoots it out of his ass along with rainbows and sunshine.

[Vertnut]

Please educate yourselves on this matter. She was well within her bounds to fire his ass. E-mails show he was insubordinate, and was underhanded in trying to undermine her policies. The sorry-assed trooper still has his job, even though he broke several laws, including death threats to family members of Palin's. With all of Barry's seedy connections to weasels in Chicago, you guys are really reaching.

On a side note, 1fastdem, knowing the history of how LDS feels about the black man, I'm surprised how supportive you are of Barry...

[1fastdem]

Please educate yourselves on this matter. She was well within her bounds to fire his ass. E-mails show he was insubordinate, and was underhanded in trying to undermine her policies. The sorry-assed trooper still has his job, even though he broke several laws, including death threats to family members of Palin's. With all of Barry's seedy connections to weasels in Chicago, you guys are really reaching.

On a side note, 1fastdem, knowing the history of how LDS feels about the black man, I'm surprised how supportive you are of Barry...

Interesting points... But improper use of office is illegal. The investigation into the affair was started by a Repulican Congress. If she did nothing wrong, as she has said, then she should comply with the investgation, as she said she would.

2nd - There are some sad points in my church's history (especially here, prior to 1978). But that has no bearing on me personally or politically.

[MadMax404m]

Interesting points... But improper use of office is illegal. .

If she was within her rights to fire the offical, then how did she use her powers improperly?

[1fastdem]

If she was within her rights to fire the offical, then how did she use her powers improperly?

The alleged abuse of powers came before the firing of the official. The firing of the official was within her rights as governor. A politician applying pressure to have a state official fire an employee would be illegal. The question is whether she or her office applied pressure or did the state official infer that. This probe was begun some time ago and was happening before she was selected by McCain as his running mate. It was an Alaska thing but because of her selection it has become a national headline. Palin reportedly told McCain about this probe before her selection. If the McCain camp is surprised that this is an issue now, they showed poor judgement.

[black01gt]

If she was within her rights to fire the offical, then why did she use her powers improperly?
;)

[bcoop]

If the McCain camp is surprised that this is an issue now, they showed poor judgement.



They are surprised, because it's not an issue.


She wanted the trooper fired, the Public Safety Commissioner refused to do so, so she fired him instead. Firing someone for insubordination is not illegal.

Putting pressure on someone to be fired, as a result of tazing his 10 year old son, and death threats, can't be illegal either. Give a source, otherwise what you say means jack shit.

[Gripenfelter]

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/ak_lawmaker_on_troopergate_i_d.php

The no-holds-barred effort by the McCain campaign and its Alaska Republican allies to bury the Trooper-Gate investigation at all costs may be bearing fruit. Republicans have in recent days been calling on Democratic senator Kim Elton to reconvene the bipartisan legislative council with ultimate responsibility for the probe. And yesterday Elton told the Associated Press that he may do so, allowing for a vote on whether to delay the investigation or replace Democratic senator Hollis French as its manager. The council, which contains 10 Republicans and four Democrats, had voted unanimously in July to launch the investigation. But many observers believe that, now that the probe could play a role in the presidential race, the committee's GOP members will vote to shut it down if given a chance.

Other recent developments confirm that the GOP is pulling out all the stops.

* Talis Colberg -- the Palin-appointed Attorney General who was directly involved in efforts to pressure the former Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan over Trooper Mike Wooten -- said Tuesday that ten state employees would not honor subpoenas to testify in the case. Palin, of course, had originally pledged her office's full cooperation in the probe.

* A group of five GOP legislators filed suit -- with the help of a right-wing Texas-based legal foundation -- to stop the investigation in its tracks.

* The McCain campaign officially took charge of the effort, trotting out a hard-charging former federal prosecutor, Ed O'Callaghan, as its point-man on the issue.

* And the ADN reported today that Palin's lawyer, Thomas Van Flein, is no longer being paid for by the state of Alaska, but could not say whether the McCain camp was helping to pay his bills.

But the GOP's hardball tactics could end up doing more harm than good, by adding to the suspicion that Palin has something to hide. In an editorial published this morning, the ADN accused Palin and McCain of "trying to ignite a partisan firestorm that wipes out the Troopergate investigation until after the election." And the liberal journalist David Corn observed last night on MSNBC: "In the last few days the Republicans are treating this like its another Watergate and they better shut it down right way." So: Where do things go from here? Van Flein told the ADN that he'd likely decide today whether Todd Palin, who also been subponaed but is not a state employee, will testify, which would occur at a session of the Judiciary Committee tomorrow. Meanwhile, the band of lawmakers struggling to maintain control of the investigation -- French, Elton, and their supporters in the legislature -- certainly aren't backing down. Despite saying he might agree to GOP calls to reconvene the legislative council, Elton sent a letter yesterday to Colberg, the Attorney General, accusing him of going back on an agreement to allow the ten state employees testify. "Bluntly, I feel like Charlie Brown after Lucy moved the football," Elton wrote to Colberg. Sen. Bill Wielechowski, a Democrat and French ally, told TPMmuckraker: "Hollis French has no intention of buckling under," and said that the same holds true of Elton. The operation, Wielechowski continued, is "clearly politically driven by the McCain campaign." "I've never seen an effort like this in this state to kill something," he added. "I don't think this is gonna end quietly."

[1fastdem]

Copied from the Alaska Ethics Code. This is what the investigation is about. I cut ut the pertinent info for you so you wont spend as much time as I did sorting through it.

Article 02. CODE OF ETHICS

Sec. 39.52.120. Misuse of official position.

(a) A public officer may not use, or attempt to use, an official position for personal gain, and may not intentionally secure or grant unwarranted benefits or treatment for any person.

(b) A public officer may not

(4) take or withhold official action in order to affect a matter in which the public officer has a personal or financial interest;

(5) attempt to benefit a personal or financial interest through coercion of a subordinate or require another public officer to perform services for the private benefit of the public officer at any time;

Here is the complete page as I found it. the link doesn't work here but does if you cut and paste.
http://www.legis.state.ak.us/cgi-bin/folioisa.dll/stattx07/query=alaska+public+offices+commission/doc/{@16066}?

The issue is did Palin or her office put pressure on Walt Monegan to have her ex-brother-in-law fired. According to the law if she did, she would have violated the statute due to 'personal interest'.

[bcoop]

The issue is did Palin or her office put pressure on Walt Monegan to have her ex-brother-in-law fired. According to the law if she did, she would have violated the statute due to 'personal interest'.



You're missing the point. Who are you to say she pressured Monegan to fire the BIL, for 'personal interest'? The guy was an idiot. There are reports of him tazing his 10 year old son. There are reports of him drinking in his squad car. There are reports of him threatening lives.


If this was ANY other trooper, it wouldn't be an issue. The guy is a complete fucking moron, and DESERVED to be fired. He fucked up, he knew it, and the only straw left he could grasp was to make this public.

Again the only reason this even made the news, is because he was her ex brother in law.

[Vertnut]

You're missing the point. Who are you to say she pressured Monegan to fire the BIL, for 'personal interest'? The guy was an idiot. There are reports of him tazing his 10 year old son. There are reports of him drinking in his squad car. There are reports of him threatening lives.


If this was ANY other trooper, it wouldn't be an issue. The guy is a complete fucking moron, and DESERVED to be fired. He fucked up, he knew it, and the only straw left he could grasp was to make this public.

Again the only reason this even made the news, is because he was her ex brother in law.
That's the point...she did not pressure anyone to do anything. The A-hole she fired, was fired for insubordination and trying to undermine her policies.
This is a tempest in a teapot...If the election wsn't in 6 weeks, this would be a non-issue. The Dems know this is their last hope to derail Palin, and they have the press behind them, as always.

[Vertnut]

;)
Why don't you just vote for Barry? Quit being a weasel, and just say you support him. Be a man...grow a pair. At least I could respect you for that.

[1fastdem]

You're missing the point. Who are you to say she pressured Monegan to fire the BIL, for 'personal interest'? The guy was an idiot. There are reports of him tazing his 10 year old son. There are reports of him drinking in his squad car. There are reports of him threatening lives.


If this was ANY other trooper, it wouldn't be an issue. The guy is a complete fucking moron, and DESERVED to be fired. He fucked up, he knew it, and the only straw left he could grasp was to make this public.

Again the only reason this even made the news, is because he was her ex brother in law.

Actually, if it was any other trooper it would have been a non-issue. The incidents were prior to her being the Gov. The Dept already disciplined the officer and closed the file. Palin brought the issues up with Monegan in one of their early in her tenure.

[1fastdem]

That's the point...she did not pressure anyone to do anything. The A-hole she fired, was fired for insubordination and trying to undermine her policies.
This is a tempest in a teapot...If the election wsn't in 6 weeks, this would be a non-issue. The Dems know this is their last hope to derail Palin, and they have the press behind them, as always.

You are missing the possible ethics violation. It is not that she fired Monegan. He served at the 'pleasure of the governor'. The violation would be a phone call from her or her office saying 'Gov. Palin wants him fired"

[Vertnut]

You are missing the possible ethics violation. It is not that she fired Monegan. He served at the 'pleasure of the governor'. The violation would be a phone call from her or her office saying 'Gov. Palin wants him fired"
...which they all admit never occurred.

[46Tbird]

Post what you want, I believe everyone has made up their mind on which candidate they will vote for.

I've already seen enough of Obama to know that Palin firing (or pressuring to have fired) her brother-in-law for being an insubordinate asshole is not going to affect my choice one bit.

[1fastdem]

...which they all admit never occurred.

According to Alaska statute, a call from her office (and maybe her husband) would count. That is the dispute. Monegan says both called him saying they wanted him gone.

[Vertnut]

Post what you want, I believe everyone has made up their mind on which candidate they will vote for.

I've already seen enough of Obama to know that Palin firing (or pressuring to have fired) her brother-in-law for being an insubordinate asshole is not going to affect my choice one bit.
Danny, that's been my take on these "undecided's"...there aren't any. They may not admit who they would vote for, but they know. The "Bradley effect" is starting to concern the Dems, too. Even if/when the polls show Barry with a lead, it's been proven (more than once) that black candidate's poll a helluva lot better than the actual vote show's.

[MadMax404m]

According to Alaska statute, a call from her office (and maybe her husband) would count. That is the dispute. Monegan says both called him saying they wanted him gone.

So you are believing a guy, which is using a last ditch effort to save his own skin, on the fact HE SAID they wanted him gone. OJ said he didn't do it to...

[The Punisher]

I'll take more of the same with Palin before more of the same with Obama and Chicago style politics :rolleyes:

The state trooper was a douche bag. He was tasering kids, making death threats. Anyone that wouldn't fire an officer over that needs to be fired.

[black01gt]

Why don't you just vote for Barry? Quit being a weasel, and just say you support him. Be a man...grow a pair. At least I could respect you for that.
Do you double dog dare me.... :D
Nah, no thanks. I'm sitting this one out and as the election gets nearer I'm reminded on a daily basis why.

Change! Change! Change! McCain, er I mean Palin's gonna change it. Obama's gonna change it. We're fucked and that ain't gonna change.

[Vertnut]

I'll take more of the same with Palin before more of the same with Obama and Chicago style politics :rolleyes:

The state trooper was a douche bag. He was tasering kids, making death threats. Anyone that wouldn't fire an officer over that needs to be fired.
Funny how MSNBC, ABC, CNN, and NBC fail to discuss that part of it... :rolleyes:

[Casper]

Danny, that's been my take on these "undecided's"...there aren't any. They may not admit who they would vote for, but they know. The "Bradley effect" is starting to concern the Dems, too. Even if/when the polls show Barry with a lead, it's been proven (more than once) that black candidate's poll a helluva lot better than the actual vote show's.

I think the undecideds are more or less undecided about voting at all.

[Gripenfelter]

Some, maybe a majority of "undecideds" aren't really undecideds. Unless you consider an undecided being a voter that isn't voting for one of the two "main" parties.

Polls usually label anyone that is voting for a third party candidate as a undecided, or that maybe the only available answer on the poll.

[Gripenfelter]

To be clear, I guess I'm undecided between voting for Bob Barr or Chuck Baldwin.

[Vertnut]

To be clear, I guess I'm undecided between voting for Bob Barr or Chuck Baldwin.
Flip a coin. It's not like it's going to matter...

[Gripenfelter]

Flip a coin. It's not like it's going to matter...

Living in Texas it won't. At least I can say I voted for what I think is right for the country.

[Vertnut]

Living in Texas it won't. At least I can say I voted for what I think is right for the country.
As I've stated before...been there; done that. Perot in '92. I'll never do it again...

[46Tbird]

As I've stated before...been there; done that. Perot in '92. I'll never do it again...
I gotta tell you man... that makes no sense at all to me. You vote for the candidate you want to win, not against the one you want to lose.

[Vertnut]

I gotta tell you man... that makes no sense at all to me. You vote for the candidate you want to win, not against the one you want to lose.
:confused: I wanted Perot to win, and voted my concience. It put Clinton in the Whitehouse. No more third parties for me.

[46Tbird]

:confused: I wanted Perot to win, and voted my concience. It put Clinton in the Whitehouse. No more third parties for me.So that means you now refuse to vote for the person you want to win, in order to make sure that the person you don't want to win, doesn't?

That logic is what has us predestined to lose our country, we get two polar opposite parties that are both bad for the USA and no room for a sane voice in the middle.

FYI - I agree that Obama is such a poor choice that voting against him is the only option. But don't worry, you're a Texan - and Texas will be voting for McCain.

[lolo89cpe]

I Still Wont Vote Oboma

[Vertnut]

So that means you now refuse to vote for the person you want to win, in order to make sure that the person you don't want to win, doesn't?

That logic is what has us predestined to lose our country, we get two polar opposite parties that are both bad for the USA and no room for a sane voice in the middle.

FYI - I agree that Obama is such a poor choice that voting against him is the only option. But don't worry, you're a Texan - and Texas will be voting for McCain.
The guy I want to win, is not on the ballot. McCain is the guy on the ballot I want to win. We will not see a viable 3rd party in my lifetime, or hopefully another 30 years.

[Chopped54]

She also banned books...
She also is/was a member of some fruity ass church.
Who gives a shit!

Her and McCain are what is best for this country in this particular time....

[TexasDevilDog]

I don't care much what it is about, but they won't cooperate with an investigation begun by the Alaska Legislative Council.

You may live in Nazi Germany but I think they have a constitutional protection against self incrimination and nobody is required to help an investigation. :rolleyes:

[99MustangGT]

I don't know exactly what happened but it sounds like she didn't like the guy, and from reports saying he was doucebag anyway, they let him go, whether Palin had anything to do with it or not. I don't like Palin, but I think they are drilling this one too much.

[Vertnut]

I don't know exactly what happened but it sounds like she didn't like the guy, and from reports saying he was doucebag anyway, they let him go, whether Palin had anything to do with it or not. I don't like Palin, but I think they are drilling this one too much.
They have to. It's all they have on her.

[1fastdem]

You may live in Nazi Germany but I think they have a constitutional protection against self incrimination and nobody is required to help an investigation. :rolleyes:

To be constitutional.. You have the right to invoke the fifth amend. But you do no have the constutional right to avoid legal proceedings. And according to Alaska State Statue the Leg can issue subpoenas. They can compel testimony. It looks like it could end in court fight of the Leg vs. the Exec. Seems like more of the same. (ie. Rove and Miers and that court fight)

There have been some statements by the committee that they may delay the inquiry until after the election if they can get all parties to agree to testify then without the subpeonas and court fight.

[Casper]

cop: Good morning Mr. 1fastdem. I'm officer McGruff and I'm investigsting the death of you neighbor.

1fatsdem: Oh Mr. Jones? I had no idea. I wondered what happened.

cop; What do you mean you wondered what happened?

1fastdem: Well I saw the ambulnce yesterday. I had hoped he was alrig...

cop: So you haven't spoken to him lately?

1fastdem: Well no, I don't see him outside much.

cop: It looks like he keeps a nice yard, and you never see him?

1fatdem: haha, no, I take care of his front yard, just a good neighbor thing really.

cop: so he hires you to work for him. How does he contact you to have work done?

1fastdem: LOL! No, when I mow my yard I just do his out of courtesy. I know he is old and has a bad heart, I just....

cop: You seem pretty cavalier about all this.

1fast dem: Huh?

cop: I have reason to believe that you did not appreciate the way he stacked his firewood against your fence.

1fastdem: Oh that, no I originally thought the place was abandoned and I called the city to find...

cop: So you have been involved in some kind of hostile legal confrontation with him?

1fastdem: WTF?

cop: there is no reason to get hostile unless you have something to hide.

1fatsdem: Hide what? That I mowed his lawn since I moved here?

cop: how long have you actually worked for Mr. Jones?

1fastdem: WTF?

cop: you can tell me now or tell a judge, I don't care.

1fastdem: [clearly thinking he needed a lawyer to sort this shit out about ten questions ago]

cop: Look, I don't have to arrest you if you'll answer my questions. Otherwise it is a big hassle and no one wants that. So why would you want Mr. Jones dead? Did he owe you money? You already did him favors, as you desribed them. Was there ever kidie porn involved?

see?

[1fastdem]

see?

??? no.

[46Tbird]

??? no.
Of course you don't.

[Casper]

??? no.

Never talk to the "police".

She started to and realized the mistake. You (should) still have that option too. And you should exercise it. So in the micro details of her changing her mind about 100% disclosure, she realized (after the fact, with council) that wasn't a good idea.

Instead of highlighting the fip-flop, it might be better to to emphise her naivety and question ho the chief executive couldn't put together a secure email sever short of yahoo.mail

I think she is a fucking dumbass. Not a conspirator in the zionist occupational government with some clandestine agenda. She is 100% pro RKBA, that is about all I have. That, and compared to Biden, well, hotter at least.

[Paladin]

The Alaska Legislature is Republican. Check your facts.

Find out who is the head of the committee looking into this, it is a Democrat. Check your facts.

[Paladin]

According to Alaska statute, a call from her office (and maybe her husband) would count. That is the dispute. Monegan says both called him saying they wanted him gone.

You apparently waych too much MSNBC and Keith Olberman. :cool:

[Big Pencil]

They have to. It's all they have on her.

Exactly. This is their one shot at smearing her. It's really pathetic.

[Casper]

oh no, don't count on it.

If a cop can take you out of context and get a succesful prosecution well, what does that say about the court of public opinion?

We truly have surrenderred to the court of the media, a shame considering it was an ally for do long.

[1fastdem]

Find out who is the head of the committee looking into this, it is a Democrat. Check your facts.

1st - don't watch MSNBC and Olberman kinda sucks.

2nd - I know who heads the committee. He was selected by the Republican Leg. We are splitting hairs so I'll save time. I have stated facts. So have you. You are correct on the fact the lead on the investigation is a Dem. What you are failing to recognize is that he was placed on the investigation by the Republicans. The investigation was begun by the Republican Leg. In Alaska it seems both parties work well together. It seems that there is some sort of Rep/Dem coalition in place there and the biggest dispute they had before the national attention was a fight for the Senate Leadership. (The leadership dispute sounds like us in Texas last term) This was initially a bi-partisan investigation of a ethics violation by a Gov of a small state we didn't give a flip about 2 months ago. This is now a issue because of the national campaign. It is important to me because of the recent past in Washington for the Exec Branch to resist congressional investigations. I don't want more of the same. At this point I don't have much else to say. So to quote someone else "I'll let you have the last word"

So to say the investigation was started as a partisan issue, meaning Party affiliation in Alaska, I would argue it is not because of the above. Now if you want to start discussing that ALL the Senate is gunning for her because she has gone after their pet industries, corrupt friends, or are afraid they are next on her list. That we could discuss in a different thread. That McCain/Palin could spin it as "Ms. Corruption-fighter" That I could see listening to. See my point and the difference?

[blownragtop]

The question is whether she or her office applied pressure or did the state official infer that.

Walt Monegan, the former Alaska public-safety commissioner, told The Wall Street Journal that he never received explicit orders to fire the brother-in-law, Mike Wooten, who is a state trooper. But he said this was the implication during the discussions, which he said included suggestions that Mr. Wooten was unfit for his job. Mr. Monegan kept Mr. Wooten on staff.

link (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122158863680544013.html)

Does that answer your question?

The investigation is being run by a partisan Democrat/Obama supporter, Hollis French, who was quoted by ABC news as saying - “Now they may have to deal with an October surprise.” Sounds impartial to me. :rolleyes:

If Palin suggested that Wooten was unfit - well she's right.

Who is Mike Wooten?

read (http://www.adn.com/politics/story/476430.html)

[Vertnut]

Walt Monegan, the former Alaska public-safety commissioner, told The Wall Street Journal that he never received explicit orders to fire the brother-in-law, Mike Wooten, who is a state trooper. But he said this was the implication during the discussions, which he said included suggestions that Mr. Wooten was unfit for his job. Mr. Monegan kept Mr. Wooten on staff.

link (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122158863680544013.html)

Does that answer your question?

The investigation is being run by a partisan Democrat/Obama supporter, Hollis French, who was quoted by ABC news as saying - “Now they may have to deal with an October surprise.” Sounds impartial to me. :rolleyes:

If Palin suggested that Wooten was unfit - well she's right.

Who is Mike Wooten?

read (http://www.adn.com/politics/story/476430.html)
Thank you, sir. ;)

[Paladin]

1st - don't watch MSNBC and Olberman kinda sucks.

2nd - I know who heads the committee. He was selected by the Republican Leg. We are splitting hairs so I'll save time. I have stated facts. So have you. You are correct on the fact the lead on the investigation is a Dem. What you are failing to recognize is that he was placed on the investigation by the Republicans. The investigation was begun by the Republican Leg. In Alaska it seems both parties work well together. It seems that there is some sort of Rep/Dem coalition in place there and the biggest dispute they had before the national attention was a fight for the Senate Leadership. (The leadership dispute sounds like us in Texas last term) This was initially a bi-partisan investigation of a ethics violation by a Gov of a small state we didn't give a flip about 2 months ago. This is now a issue because of the national campaign. It is important to me because of the recent past in Washington for the Exec Branch to resist congressional investigations. I don't want more of the same. At this point I don't have much else to say. So to quote someone else "I'll let you have the last word"

So to say the investigation was started as a partisan issue, meaning Party affiliation in Alaska, I would argue it is not because of the above. Now if you want to start discussing that ALL the Senate is gunning for her because she has gone after their pet industries, corrupt friends, or are afraid they are next on her list. That we could discuss in a different thread. That McCain/Palin could spin it as "Ms. Corruption-fighter" That I could see listening to. See my point and the difference?


Did you see post #54 yet? See my point now?

Nice post blownragtop!

[bigwhip2]

The Alaska Legislature is Republican. Check your facts.
The vote was 14 to 0 to investigate! 8 republicans, and 4 demos. Republicans seldom get their facts togather before crying foul. the bitch is guilty, or she would show the world the facts!!

[Paladin]

The vote was 14 to 0 to investigate! 8 republicans, and 4 demos. Republicans seldom get their facts togather before crying foul. the bitch is guilty, or she would show the world the facts!!

So if you are investigated by someone, would you immediately plead guilty? I doubt it!

Reading your posts give me a headache.

[Vertnut]

The vote was 14 to 0 to investigate! 8 republicans, and 4 demos. Republicans seldom get their facts togather before crying foul. the bitch is guilty, or she would show the world the facts!!
:rolleyes:

[Vertnut]

The vote was 14 to 0 to investigate! 8 republicans, and 4 demos. Republicans seldom get their facts togather before crying foul. the bitch is guilty, or she would show the world the facts!!
Yeah, to "investigate". That's it. Not to issue unwarranted subpoena's.

[Cartman]

They are surprised, because it's not an issue.


She wanted the trooper fired, the Public Safety Commissioner refused to do so, so she fired him instead. Firing someone for insubordination is not illegal.

Putting pressure on someone to be fired, as a result of tazing his 10 year old son, and death threats, can't be illegal either. Give a source, otherwise what you say means jack shit.
Other recent developments confirm that the GOP is pulling out all the stops.

* Talis Colberg -- the Palin-appointed Attorney General who was directly involved in efforts to pressure the former Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan over Trooper Mike Wooten -- said Tuesday that ten state employees would not honor subpoenas to testify in the case. Palin, of course, had originally pledged her office's full cooperation in the probe.


wow so they are abusing their power to not honor the court's subpoenas. that is who i want to be in a position of power. if they don't like the issue they just refuse to go or testify. I am no lawyer but I am almost certain that ignoring a court order (subpoena) lands you in jail. why shoud they get a pass? what is she hiding?

[Cartman]

Yeah, to "investigate". That's it. Not to issue unwarranted subpoena's.
are you a lawyer? how do you know what is or isn't warranted. she is hiding something. looks like mccain pick might backfire on him.

[Taylor]

are you a lawyer? how do you know what is or isn't warranted. she is hiding something. looks like mccain pick might backfire on him.

Even IF this makes a case it isn't shit compared to the mindless stuff Biden has done over the years. Palin will be a better pick than Biden regardless.

[Vertnut]

are you a lawyer? how do you know what is or isn't warranted. she is hiding something. looks like mccain pick might backfire on him.
To the contrary, she's not hiding anything. Like the Libs, keep hoping. It's all you have right now. I'm not an attorney (which has nothing to do with anything), but an "investigation" is one thing, and issuing subpoena's is another. You need to worry about your sorry-ass Razorbacks, and let the grown-ups deal with the real issues.

[jyro]

I am no lawyer but I am almost certain that ignoring a court order (subpoena) lands you in jail. why shoud they get a pass? what is she hiding?

It's not court ordered, it's legislature issued, zero power to inforce it and of questionable legality. That's one reason it's being to ignore.

http://www.newsminer.com/news/2008/sep/16/alaska-attorney-general-says-state-employees-wont-/

[Vertnut]

It's not court ordered, it's legislature issued, zero power to inforce it and of questionable legality. That's one reason it's being to ignore.

http://www.newsminer.com/news/2008/sep/16/alaska-attorney-general-says-state-employees-wont-/
Exactly. They have no teeth to enforce any of this, especially without tha AG of Alaska behind it.

[gpamp]

Haha, I just heard (then looked it up) that she appointed a friend of hers as the head of the Division of Agriculture in Alaska, because she liked cows when they were a kid.

I love that Sarah Palin is the best the John McChange could come up with. It's like Republicans are showing the whites of their pockets.

[Mr Majestyk]

Haha, I just heard (then looked it up) that she appointed a friend of hers as the head of the Division of Agriculture in Alaska, because she liked cows when they were a kid.

I love that Sarah Palin is the best the John McChange could come up with. It's like Republicans are showing the whites of their pockets.

Any asshole who starts a statement with "I heard" automatically exposes himself as a know-nothing gossip-drooling little bitch. Sound anything like you, gtampon?

[bcoop]

that is who i want to be in a position of power.



You'd rather have a spineless apologist in power? You'd rather have someone who's been linked to known terrorists? Yeah, that makes a whole hell of a lot of sense.

[Vertnut]

Haha, I just heard (then looked it up) that she appointed a friend of hers as the head of the Division of Agriculture in Alaska, because she liked cows when they were a kid.

I love that Sarah Palin is the best the John McChange could come up with. It's like Republicans are showing the whites of their pockets.
You still here? Your credibility is in the shitter, right next to Barry's. Should I believe the things I've "heard" about you? :confused:

[Vertnut]

You'd rather have a spineless apologist in power? You'd rather have someone who's been linked to known terrorists? Yeah, that makes a whole hell of a lot of sense.
I imagine that joker would...

[gpamp]

You still here? Your credibility is in the shitter, right next to Barry's. Should I believe the things I've "heard" about you? :confused:
When I say "I heard", I probably mean on the news. It's not like I know people who actively spread rumors. I don't hang out with too many Republicans, much less Karl Rove.

And what makes you more credible than me? You're voting for two people that only have a few ounces of it, themeselves.

[Magnus]

When I say "I heard", I probably mean on the news. It's not like I know people who actively spread rumors. I don't hang out with too many Republicans, much less Karl Rove.

And what makes you more credible than me? You're voting for two people that only have a few ounces of it, themeselves.
Few ounces seem to be a ton compared to their competition.

[Vertnut]

When I say "I heard", I probably mean on the news. It's not like I know people who actively spread rumors. I don't hang out with too many Republicans, much less Karl Rove.

And what makes you more credible than me? You're voting for two people that only have a few ounces of it, themeselves.
I'm not trying to be credible. You should expand your reading, and get off of moveon.org and the Washington Post. When Barry's taxes hit, you have no idea how bad the economy will get.
Your candidate is the one suffering credibility issues. Taking money from his buddies at Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, while they're going broke! :confused: Bill Ayres, Rev. Wright, Saul Alinsky, and Louis Farakhan have influenced Barry for a long time. You have no issues with that?

[Paladin]

When I say "I heard", I probably mean on the news. It's not like I know people who actively spread rumors. I don't hang out with too many Republicans, much less Karl Rove.

And what makes you more credible than me? You're voting for two people that only have a few ounces of it, themeselves.

So far, no one on this site has less credibility than you.

[bcoop]

When I say "I heard", I probably mean on the news. It's not like I know people who actively spread rumors. I don't hang out with too many Republicans, much less Karl Rove.

And what makes you more credible than me? You're voting for two people that only have a few ounces of it, themeselves.



All I can do anymore, is LMFAO at every single one of your retarded posts. How you can say something about McCain & Palin's credibility, is beyond me. Exactly how is Obama credible? What about Biden? Didn't he just say around this time last year, that Obama running for President was a joke, he was inexperienced, and had no idea how to run a country? Now he's his running mate?

[Cartman]

You'd rather have a spineless apologist in power? You'd rather have someone who's been linked to known terrorists? Yeah, that makes a whole hell of a lot of sense.
i would rather have two other choices, both of them are bad for this country. as for a link to known terroist we have had that before with bush sr, in case you didn't know he was former cia and has had dealings with the biggest terrorist known.

as for the order not being valid, it looks like she is saying they aren't and telling those to not go, sounds to me like she is hiding something. if nothing to hide then just get in front of the issue and place it for all to see you did nothing wrong. much like the baseball players with the steriods and congress, too bad most of them lied. had they told the truth that issue would have been delt with instead it has turned into this big issue. I see this, if it is true, to become a big issue down the road. not sure if she is found guilty would she be able to be impeached as a vp.

To the contrary, she's not hiding anything. Like the Libs, keep hoping. It's all you have right now. I'm not an attorney (which has nothing to do with anything), but an "investigation" is one thing, and issuing subpoena's is another. You need to worry about your sorry-ass Razorbacks, and let the grown-ups deal with the real issues.

see above if she has nothing to hide then just do it get it over with and move on. better to stop something small then wait for it to become much bigger and harder to slow down or stop. bad pick for mccain.

btw when are the debates where palin and biden face off :D

don't like either but that should be a really interesting display

[bcoop]

btw when are the debates where palin and biden face off :D

don't like either but that should be a really interesting display


That, I don't know. But I think the first Presidential debates are on Friday. Interesting? I guess you could call it that. Personally, I think embarassing or humorous would be better suited when describing how they will turn out. Biden doesn't stand a chance against her. She's going to beat him like a rented mule, if it ever happens.

[Vertnut]

Palin is a great pick for McCain, because of the HUGE fuck-up committed by Barry...not picking Hillary. If Barry picks Hillary, it's game, set, and match. Why in the world would a young guy running on "Change", pick a 35-year senate dinosaur? :cool: Maybe he realizes he's really not ready for prime time? :confused:

[gpamp]

Palin is a great pick for McCain, because of the HUGE fuck-up committed by Barry...not picking Hillary. If Barry picks Hillary, it's game, set, and match. Why in the world would a young guy running on "Change", pick a 35-year senate dinosaur? :cool: Maybe he realizes he's really not ready for prime time? :confused:
You don't think it levels the playing field? Young/Old, Old/Young?

[Paladin]

You don't think it levels the playing field? Young/Old, Old/Young?

How about old = experienced and young = inexperienced? I will take experienced at the Presidential level and inexperienced at the VP level anytime.

Do you like the inexperience at the President level for your choice?

[gpamp]

How about old = experienced and young = inexperienced? I will take experienced at the Presidential level and inexperienced at the VP level anytime.

Do you like the inexperience at the President level for your choice?
No way. That's why I'm voting for Obama.

[Paladin]

No way. That's why I'm voting for Obama.

You don't like it that Obama has no experience and will be President and that is why you are voting for him? :confused:

[Vertnut]

You don't think it levels the playing field? Young/Old, Old/Young?
You don't think Hillary at 60 is old enough? :confused:

[gpamp]

You don't like it that Obama has no experience and will be President and that is why you are voting for him? :confused:
I'm just shooting down your notion that the difference in experience is A) THAT consequential, and B) that there's THAT much of a difference in experience.

[black01gt]

ALERT:

If you get an e-mail with "Nude Photos of Sarah Palin" in the subject line, do not open it.
It might contain a virus.

If you get an e-mail with "Nude Photos of Hillary Clinton", do not open it.

It might contain nude photos of Hillary Clinton.

[Paladin]

I'm just shooting down your notion that the difference in experience is A) THAT consequential, and B) that there's THAT much of a difference in experience.

You haven't shot down anything, you have just confirmed what I suspected. You know Palin and Obama have very similar experience to be President and that the Dems have experience at the VP and none at the Presidential nominee position. The Republicans have experience at President and less at VP. Are you saying that is a good thing for you as a person voting for Obama?

Please tell me how Obama will use a senior Senator to help him make "change", I really want to hear that. :rolleyes:

[Paladin]

ALERT:

If you get an e-mail with "Nude Photos of Sarah Palin" in the subject line, do not open it.
It might contain a virus.

If you get an e-mail with "Nude Photos of Hillary Clinton", do not open it.

It might contain nude photos of Hillary Clinton.

I chuckled.