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STANGGT40
09-18-2008, 03:34 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080918/ap_on_bi_st_ma_re/wall_street

By TIM PARADIS, AP Business Writer
1 minute ago



NEW YORK - Wall Street rallied in a stunning late-session turnaround Thursday, shooting higher and hurtling the Dow Jones industrials up 400 points following a report that the federal government may create an entity that will take over banks' bad debt.




A report that Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson is considering the formation of an entity like the Resolution Trust Corp. that was set up during the savings and loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s left investors ebullient. Investors hoped a huge federal intervention could help financial institutions jettison bad mortgage debt and stop the drain on capital that has already taken down companies including Bear Stearns Cos. and Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc.

Worries about financial land mines on companies' books have hobbled the world's financial markets and led to the intense volatility in the markets this week.

"It's going to take a lot of the bad debt off the balance sheets of these companies," said Scott Fullman, director of derivatives investment strategy for WJB Capital Group in New York, commenting on the possibilities of an entity akin to the RTC. It could alleviate many of the pressures causing the credit crisis, he said, and open up the credit markets again. But Fullman noted, "the devil's in the details."

"Bear markets are very sensitive to news. And on a scale of 1 to 10, this one is a 13," he said.

The report gave direction to a market that had bolted in and out of positive territory for much of the session as investors shuttled between the safety of Treasury bills and gold and the bargains posed by stocks that have been pounded lower.

According to preliminary calculations, the Dow soared 410.03, or 3.86 percent, to 11,019.69, surging 560 points from its low of the day, 10,459.44.

Broader stock indicators also jumped. The Standard & Poor's 500 index rose 50.01, or 4.32 percent, to 1,206.60, and the Nasdaq composite index advanced 100.25, or 4.78 percent, to 2,199.10.

The report of a broader government bailout proved more reassuring to investors than moves before the opening bell Thursday by the Federal Reserve and other major central banks to inject as much as $180 billion into global money markets. The moves were an attempt to keep the credit crisis from worsening; the Fed added another $55 billion in overnight loans Thursday.

But it was only the prospect of a more comprehensive vehicle to sweep up bad debt that emboldened investors. Congress established the RTC in 1989 to buy $394 billion worth of real estate, mortgages and other assets of hundreds of failed savings-and-loan institutions. The corporation operated for several years disposing of the associations' assets, and then went out of business.

That could help alleviate the grinding gears in the world's credit markets have driven up the cost of borrowing for businesses; banks have become hesitant to make loans even to other banks for fear of what institutions might be hobbled by soured debt. Investors are also contending with fears that more big-name financial companies could falter.

46Tbird
09-18-2008, 03:38 PM
So is anyone going to begin addressing ways to keep this mess from ever happening again?

Or is this like corporate welfare, where companies get a taxpayer subsidized handout during hard times that ...... they'll never let go of?

bcoop
09-18-2008, 03:39 PM
Yeah, that's going to fix the fucking problem. :rolleyes:

thesource
09-18-2008, 03:50 PM
Its kind of shitty that it helps some banks and the others are out of luck . Lehmans seems like they are done for ........

46Tbird
09-18-2008, 04:38 PM
I love how it feels like you're getting screwed by their interest rates / insurance premiums - and then screwed again when you're paying to bail them out.

Sean88gt
09-18-2008, 04:44 PM
What's good for the goose...
When does the entity that bails out individuals come into existence?

BHAM
09-18-2008, 05:28 PM
Its kind of shitty that it helps some banks and the others are out of luck . Lehmans seems like they are done for ........
i say fuck em all, no one should be bailed out..theyve been fucking us for years and then use out tax money to get them out of shit. wtf

thesource
09-18-2008, 07:31 PM
i say fuck em all, no one should be bailed out..theyve been fucking us for years and then use out tax money to get them out of shit. wtf

I agree . They should hold these companies and CEO's accountable for bad decisions and wasting profits . The fact that they are helping some and throwing others under the bus is not fair either .

Gaber
09-18-2008, 07:34 PM
i say fuck em all, no one should be bailed out..theyve been fucking us for years and then use out tax money to get them out of shit. wtf

Hear! Hear!

Fox466
09-18-2008, 08:08 PM
What's good for the goose...
When does the entity that bails out individuals come into existence?

Exactly. While we're busy paying their bills for them I would like to throw a handfull of my own on the pile...

BHAM
09-18-2008, 08:48 PM
HAWAKE-UP-AMURICA :eek:

Sean88gt
09-18-2008, 09:25 PM
Exactly. While we're busy paying their bills for them I would like to throw a handfull of my own on the pile...

No doubt! Shed the debt, kept the shit and make the fucking tax pay....wait... :(

mikeb
09-18-2008, 11:33 PM
And we get deeper into debt as a country :(

csierra
09-19-2008, 10:23 AM
So is anyone going to begin addressing ways to keep this mess from ever happening again?

Or is this like corporate welfare, where companies get a taxpayer subsidized handout during hard times that ...... they'll never let go of?

This is what happens when businesses get deregulated and there is no oversight. This is free market economics. The only role of business is to make profit. When there is no rules, oversight, or regulations it leads to corruption and abuse. This is what lead to the Great Depression in the 1930's.

Casper
09-19-2008, 10:54 AM
I love how it feels like you're getting screwed by their interest rates / insurance premiums - and then screwed again when you're paying to bail them out.

I think that's the reach-around.

BottleRocket
09-19-2008, 10:59 AM
The question I pose is: Why now? Why didn't they do something 6-12 months ago and bail out the homeowners? They would have spent the same ammount of money bailing them out, our economy wouldnt be in so much of a rut, and unemployment wouldn't be nearly as high. Does that not make sense? Im sorry, Im sitting in class trying to read the news and listen to lecture at the same time, but this is what I got out of it. Opinions please.

Casper
09-19-2008, 11:54 AM
The question I pose is: Why now? Why didn't they do something 6-12 months ago and bail out the homeowners? They would have spent the same ammount of money bailing them out, our economy wouldnt be in so much of a rut, and unemployment wouldn't be nearly as high. Does that not make sense? Im sorry, Im sitting in class trying to read the news and listen to lecture at the same time, but this is what I got out of it. Opinions please.

Because they were still squeezing the turnips.

They already had the initial down, plus any principle and interest made to that time on any loans. Squeeze it and pass it on. It is only when the value of the collateral started to tank that no one would buy the loans.

TheAsp!
09-19-2008, 01:10 PM
No, really, we don't need CHANGE, though. Things are fiiiiine.

Somebody do some research and tell me what was the price of gas when Bush took office. What was the unemployment rate? Where was the Dow? Where is Osama bin Laden? Where are the weapons of mass destruction? Come on, waterboard some of your CEO pals at Exxon-Mobil for some answers. We could send some FNMA Execs down to Guantanamo for a few years and don't forget to wiretap CNN so you can get a freaking clue. Before you leave office, start a war with the world's largest oil producer, Russia, that'll get gas back to $4/gallon!

Attention Rich-Folk-Wannabe-Pretenders: Republicans take care of REAL rich people, but they sure appreciate your vote and your money. Thanks for playing.

You may return to your normally scheduled state-of-denial.

agiraldo
09-19-2008, 01:15 PM
No, really, we don't need CHANGE, though. Things are fiiiiine.

Somebody do some research and tell me what was the price of gas when Bush took office. What was the unemployment rate? Where was the Dow? Where is Osama bin Laden? Where are the weapons of mass destruction? Come on, waterboard some of your CEO pals at Exxon-Mobil for some answers. We could send some FNMA Execs down to Guantanamo for a few years and don't forget to wiretap CNN so you can get a freaking clue. Before you leave office, start a war with the world's largest oil producer, Russia, that'll get gas back to $4/gallon!

Attention Rich-Folk-Wannabe-Pretenders: Republicans take care of REAL rich people, but they sure appreciate your vote and your money. Thanks for playing.

You may return to your normally scheduled state-of-denial.


OMG! This is the most ignorant statement I have ever seen on this board.

Casper
09-19-2008, 02:20 PM
well fuck yeah, they take care of real rich people like me instead of dumbasses who have no future like yourself. Its called eugenics and it works! If they would just get rid of that pro-life shit they might have something....

line-em-up
09-19-2008, 02:25 PM
OMG! This is the most ignorant statement I have ever seen on this board.

It makes as much sense as some of the people running this place.