Really Think About Your Vote.....

[BHAM]

Most of the people that I know are not happy with the political choices they have for President this year. I hear lots of talk about voting against one guy or the other, but not so much talk about voting FOR anyone. There is one man, however, that a great many people wish they could vote for and that is Ron Paul. His supporters have their news page set to pick up all stories about him, they go to rallies thousands of miles away to support a man who is not even in the running anymore, and his support is not waning, in fact, it is growing.

Recently, Ron Paul held a news conference and suggested that people vote for a third-party candidate. Notably absent from his side, was the third-party candidate Bob Barr, the Libertarian Party candidate. Despite the snub, Ron Paul still stood up for Barr and others in an effort to stop the insanity. If you want change, then you have to change the way you vote. Repeating the same mistakes and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.

I spent the day reading articles about Ron Paul’s historic speech. I found it strange that the pundits, who once ignored Ron Paul completely, suddenly were terribly interested in his opinions. It seems that as soon as Ron Paul says something that might affect the anointed ones, they must report. Would Ron Paul’s words make his supporters more or less likely to vote for McCain? Obama? Who will this affect more?

Meanwhile, the comments from Ron Paul supporters were all about which third-party member to vote for, who should they support now? Reading between the lines it appears that his supporters are still loyal, only now they are not sure how to remain loyal.

If we are to accept that voting for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil (and I do accept that premise), then why throw your vote around willy-nilly? Voting for a third-party candidate simply because they are a third-party candidate makes no sense. You still have to use your mind in this election. You still have to choose a candidate to vote FOR.

At this point in this article I had intended to tell people that wish to vote for Ron Paul to do so by writing his name in on the ballot. I have bad news. Research revealed that in most states, a candidate must jump through a bunch of legal hoops to have their names counted as a write-in. The supposed argument is that you are never actually voting for a candidate, just a slate of electors who will go to the Electoral College to vote for your candidate and if those electors are not registered ahead of time, then in fact, you are not voting for anyone.

However, some states have managed to do away with all that nonsense. This is a nice page that breaks down the rules state by state, but as rules are constantly changing, I ask that you please check the rules for your state and not rely on the information in that link. My question is, if some states can allow you to vote for whomever you wish why can’t they all? What is so difficult about allowing the American people to pick the person they want to be President? Why is this so dangerous?

Every year we get these huge get-out-the-vote drives that are designed to legitimize a system and to make you think you have a choice. If you knew you did not have a choice you might balk a little. So they pretend to give you a choice between a statist and another statist and do everything in their power to prevent you from hearing the non-statist point of view and if you dare to learn of it on your own, they will stop you from being able to vote for your particular candidate. They are good at it.

This year I find myself with a huge dilemma. I typically vote Libertarian, but this year I cannot. I do not like the candidate. I choose not to support that candidate. I also do not like the other third-party candidates. If I vote against a guy, then I am telling the guy I voted for that I like him. That would be false and I do not want to send that message. If I similarly vote Libertarian no matter who the candidate is, then I am telling the Libertarian Party that I do not care who they choose, but I do care. I do not want this year’s candidate to be President. I initially thought I would just write-in Ron Paul and feel good about myself. It turns out, much to my chagrin, that my state has one of those laws that will not count write in candidates unless the candidate filed certain papers and has not already lost a primary. (They call it the sore loser law. But if the people later discover they like the loser better than the winner, where is the harm in letting them choose?) So if I vote for Ron Paul, it will be counted as a "write-in" but not as a vote for Paul.

I have gone over this multiple times. Do I support the Libertarian Party even though I do not support the candidate? That goes against my principles. Do I choose any other third party to send a message? Again, that goes against my principles. I choose not to vote against people but to vote for them. Therefore, I am left with the decision to write in the name Ron Paul. I think he would make a great President. I know my vote will not count as a vote for Dr. Paul, but it will be counted in the generic category of "write-ins." When they show the total of people in my state who do not like the choices they were given I will be among them. And that is the message I truly want to send with my vote. I do not accept your chosen few. I am an American and as so I believe I have the right to vote for whom I choose.

Perhaps if enough people also wrote-in their vote, these draconian write-in laws will be removed. In Delaware, for example, (correct me if I am wrong) if you write in a candidate, that vote will count, period. I think we all have that right.

I thought about not voting at all because I do not want to legitimize the system, but those non-votes are simply seen as apathy. I am not apathetic. I am passionate: Extremely passionate for liberty.

So this election, I will be making a statement. I will vote for the man I believe to be the best candidate, I will do my best to expose a corrupt system that prevents most of us from making a real choice, and I will sleep well. If you feel the same way, I ask you to join me. Even writing in "none of the above" sends a message. I ask you to think about the message you wish to send with your vote. If you want change then change.

Peace.

[Yale]

If you really want to make a difference, know that you can have more of an effect by calling your congressional rep or senator. Most of the folks that bitch about Washington politics don't actually interact with their elected officials. Write them, call them. Never let up. You say we deserve better leadership? THEY won't change unless WE become a more involved electorate.

Congressional Switchboard: 1-866-340-9281

[Vertnut]

Most of the people that I know are not happy with the political choices they have for President this year. I hear lots of talk about voting against one guy or the other, but not so much talk about voting FOR anyone. There is one man, however, that a great many people wish they could vote for and that is Ron Paul. His supporters have their news page set to pick up all stories about him, they go to rallies thousands of miles away to support a man who is not even in the running anymore, and his support is not waning, in fact, it is growing.

Recently, Ron Paul held a news conference and suggested that people vote for a third-party candidate. Notably absent from his side, was the third-party candidate Bob Barr, the Libertarian Party candidate. Despite the snub, Ron Paul still stood up for Barr and others in an effort to stop the insanity. If you want change, then you have to change the way you vote. Repeating the same mistakes and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.

I spent the day reading articles about Ron Paul’s historic speech. I found it strange that the pundits, who once ignored Ron Paul completely, suddenly were terribly interested in his opinions. It seems that as soon as Ron Paul says something that might affect the anointed ones, they must report. Would Ron Paul’s words make his supporters more or less likely to vote for McCain? Obama? Who will this affect more?

Meanwhile, the comments from Ron Paul supporters were all about which third-party member to vote for, who should they support now? Reading between the lines it appears that his supporters are still loyal, only now they are not sure how to remain loyal.

If we are to accept that voting for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil (and I do accept that premise), then why throw your vote around willy-nilly? Voting for a third-party candidate simply because they are a third-party candidate makes no sense. You still have to use your mind in this election. You still have to choose a candidate to vote FOR.

At this point in this article I had intended to tell people that wish to vote for Ron Paul to do so by writing his name in on the ballot. I have bad news. Research revealed that in most states, a candidate must jump through a bunch of legal hoops to have their names counted as a write-in. The supposed argument is that you are never actually voting for a candidate, just a slate of electors who will go to the Electoral College to vote for your candidate and if those electors are not registered ahead of time, then in fact, you are not voting for anyone.

However, some states have managed to do away with all that nonsense. This is a nice page that breaks down the rules state by state, but as rules are constantly changing, I ask that you please check the rules for your state and not rely on the information in that link. My question is, if some states can allow you to vote for whomever you wish why can’t they all? What is so difficult about allowing the American people to pick the person they want to be President? Why is this so dangerous?

Every year we get these huge get-out-the-vote drives that are designed to legitimize a system and to make you think you have a choice. If you knew you did not have a choice you might balk a little. So they pretend to give you a choice between a statist and another statist and do everything in their power to prevent you from hearing the non-statist point of view and if you dare to learn of it on your own, they will stop you from being able to vote for your particular candidate. They are good at it.

This year I find myself with a huge dilemma. I typically vote Libertarian, but this year I cannot. I do not like the candidate. I choose not to support that candidate. I also do not like the other third-party candidates. If I vote against a guy, then I am telling the guy I voted for that I like him. That would be false and I do not want to send that message. If I similarly vote Libertarian no matter who the candidate is, then I am telling the Libertarian Party that I do not care who they choose, but I do care. I do not want this year’s candidate to be President. I initially thought I would just write-in Ron Paul and feel good about myself. It turns out, much to my chagrin, that my state has one of those laws that will not count write in candidates unless the candidate filed certain papers and has not already lost a primary. (They call it the sore loser law. But if the people later discover they like the loser better than the winner, where is the harm in letting them choose?) So if I vote for Ron Paul, it will be counted as a "write-in" but not as a vote for Paul.

I have gone over this multiple times. Do I support the Libertarian Party even though I do not support the candidate? That goes against my principles. Do I choose any other third party to send a message? Again, that goes against my principles. I choose not to vote against people but to vote for them. Therefore, I am left with the decision to write in the name Ron Paul. I think he would make a great President. I know my vote will not count as a vote for Dr. Paul, but it will be counted in the generic category of "write-ins." When they show the total of people in my state who do not like the choices they were given I will be among them. And that is the message I truly want to send with my vote. I do not accept your chosen few. I am an American and as so I believe I have the right to vote for whom I choose.

Perhaps if enough people also wrote-in their vote, these draconian write-in laws will be removed. In Delaware, for example, (correct me if I am wrong) if you write in a candidate, that vote will count, period. I think we all have that right.

I thought about not voting at all because I do not want to legitimize the system, but those non-votes are simply seen as apathy. I am not apathetic. I am passionate: Extremely passionate for liberty.

So this election, I will be making a statement. I will vote for the man I believe to be the best candidate, I will do my best to expose a corrupt system that prevents most of us from making a real choice, and I will sleep well. If you feel the same way, I ask you to join me. Even writing in "none of the above" sends a message. I ask you to think about the message you wish to send with your vote. If you want change then change.

Peace.
Been there, done that. Perot in '92. It didn't work out too well. It took votes away from Bush and let Cinton in with 43% of the vote. We can't afford to make a "statement" vote this year...

[Bubbaearl]

3rd parties are just in the way. they will never win the white house. accept it. ron paul is not the peoples choice . why waste something as important as your vote on a party that has 0 chance of winning ?

[BHAM]

3rd parties are just in the way. they will never win the white house. accept it. ron paul is not the peoples choice . why waste something as important as your vote on a party that has 0 chance of winning ?
THIS IS THE SHIT IM TALKING ABOUT, DID YOU NOT READ ANYTHING AND THINK ABOUT IT.......AGAIN, IF ITS FOR THE PERSON YOU WANT, WHY DO YOU BELIEVE ITS A WASTED VOTE? SEE, HERE IS THE IDEA OF THIS...IF YOU WANT WRITE IN MICKEY MOUSE AND YOU FEEL HE IS THE BEST CHOICE, AND YOU REALLY FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT, WHY THEN IS IT A WASTED VOTE?

[Vertnut]

THIS IS THE SHIT IM TALKING ABOUT, DID YOU NOT READ ANYTHING AND THINK ABOUT IT.......AGAIN, IF ITS FOR THE PERSON YOU WANT, WHY DO YOU BELIEVE ITS A WASTED VOTE? SEE, HERE IS THE IDEA OF THIS...IF YOU WANT WRITE IN MICKEY MOUSE AND YOU FEEL HE IS THE BEST CHOICE, AND YOU REALLY FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT, WHY THEN IS IT A WASTED VOTE?
I wonder if you'll feel as strongly about "expressing yourself" after your taxes go up and our military goes into the shitter? I didn't...

[BHAM]

I wonder if you'll feel as strongly about "expressing yourself" after your taxes go up and our military goes into the shitter? I didn't...
WELL ALL I CAN SAY IS HOLD ON.......YOU ARE IN FOR A ROUGH RIDE WITH BOTH CANDIDATES :cool:

[Fox466]

THIS IS THE SHIT IM TALKING ABOUT, DID YOU NOT READ ANYTHING AND THINK ABOUT IT.......AGAIN, IF ITS FOR THE PERSON YOU WANT, WHY DO YOU BELIEVE ITS A WASTED VOTE? SEE, HERE IS THE IDEA OF THIS...IF YOU WANT WRITE IN MICKEY MOUSE AND YOU FEEL HE IS THE BEST CHOICE, AND YOU REALLY FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT, WHY THEN IS IT A WASTED VOTE?


You end your first post with "peace", then when someone offers a discenting point of view you start screaming?

Fuckin' idiot, you are...

[Sean88gt]

WELL ALL I CAN SAY IS HOLD ON.......YOU ARE IN FOR A ROUGH RIDE WITH BOTH CANDIDATES :cool:
I disagree. I think McCain will be A LOT tighter than Bush on spending and hopefully will get his tax cuts. Plus, his VP candidate is very conservative. I disagree with McCain on some key issues, but overall I think he'll do fine.

I also think that the system has tipped to far to the government side which creates problems that a President can't dig us out from. Eventually, there will be blood.

[ceyko]

THIS IS THE SHIT IM TALKING ABOUT, DID YOU NOT READ ANYTHING AND THINK ABOUT IT.......AGAIN, IF ITS FOR THE PERSON YOU WANT, WHY DO YOU BELIEVE ITS A WASTED VOTE? SEE, HERE IS THE IDEA OF THIS...IF YOU WANT WRITE IN MICKEY MOUSE AND YOU FEEL HE IS THE BEST CHOICE, AND YOU REALLY FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT, WHY THEN IS IT A WASTED VOTE?

WOW, BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.

If you really don't understand what he's saying, maybe you should "Really Think About Your Vote."

As a summary, if you vote 3rd party you're vote is going to a cause that is worthless. At least in this election. If you vote rep/dem - at least your vote is going to whomever you think is the lesser of two evils and one of them will win. I'll buy ya a beer if I'm wrong.

Sadly - campaigning and all that is extremely expensive and a retarded game. Unless a 3rd party person can play that game as well as everyone else or preferably better they likely won't be voted.

So it's like throwing your money in the toilet as opposed to giving it to your crackhead family member or mooching friend.

Take care

[Bubbaearl]

i read your bs post and answered . if you cant figure out that the 3rd party morons are just in it for the money they raise then please dont vote. you are way to uninformed to make a decision . we have a choice to make about the future of this country. your yuppie left leaning green shit will do nothing for us. if some stupid write in is all you can contribute then stay the fuck home and watch more tv .

and fuck ron paul he lost. deal with it.

[MadMax404m]

Ron Paul lost once, Ron Paul will lose again. He preaches patriotism yet doesn't have a damn clue on how to achieve true patriotism. He has a good economic policy, but economics come second to protecting our land(the presidents only true job). If we have no land, we have no economy. When will you RP nuts figure that out?

[Mustangman_2000]

THIS IS THE SHIT IM TALKING ABOUT, DID YOU NOT READ ANYTHING AND THINK ABOUT IT.......AGAIN, IF ITS FOR THE PERSON YOU WANT, WHY DO YOU BELIEVE ITS A WASTED VOTE? SEE, HERE IS THE IDEA OF THIS...IF YOU WANT WRITE IN MICKEY MOUSE AND YOU FEEL HE IS THE BEST CHOICE, AND YOU REALLY FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT, WHY THEN IS IT A WASTED VOTE?

chill out. using all caps just makes me not want to read your post because you are acting like a child screaming to get attention.

just vote your conscious and leave it at that. at least try and educate yourself on where these candidates stand on the issues before you cast your vote.

there is no such thing as a wasted vote. that only happens if you eschew the voting process and later say no one was worth voting for.

[Skidmark]

Looks like a copy paste to me.

[black01gt]

and fuck us we lost again. deal with it.
Fixed that for ya.

[46Tbird]

The sad part is that there are only 18 battleground states in this election - meaning there is no more than a 4% difference in Republican vs Democrat in that state.

And that is by FAR the most battleground states at this point in an election since they've been keeping tabs.

That means there are 32 states (Texas included) that have already picked their candidate. A vote for ANYONE in this state is basically a wasted vote - McCain will take this state's electoral vote in a landslide. And guess what - Obama already has California and New York! :eek:

As Texans, you can vote for RP or BO or whoever you want... the state will be voting for JM.

The bad thing about so many of the electoral votes already being "accounted for" by the two-party system is that we really never will get a third-party in to shake things up. That doesn't bother you? You either get the doctrine of one party, or the doctrine of the other. Both spend too much and both spend more time fighting than getting important policy enacted.

I'm a conservative (not so much a Republican, I'm sure some here are the same) and I'm uninterested in this campaign because my vote really doesn't mean shit this year. You guys dogpile on Ron Paul, but he is a smart guy with some really good ideas. If he was running for the Republicans you'd all be giddy. Instead you get another old fart career politician candidate and a Disney made-for-TV "hockey mom becomes VP" sidekick.

Meanwhile the economy is in flames and the stupid Americans are completely unprepared to deal with the shitstorm coming at them. No fault of any President or candidate btw.. ;)

[black01gt]

The bad thing about so many of the electoral votes already being "accounted for" by the two-party system is that we really never will get a third-party in to shake things up. That doesn't bother you? You either get the doctrine of one party, or the doctrine of the other. Both spend too much and both spend more time fighting than getting important policy enacted.

Meanwhile the economy is in flames and the stupid Americans are completely unprepared to deal with the shitstorm coming at them.
CIRCLE/JERK '08

Nice one BTW.

[HOOCBB]

3rd parties are just in the way. they will never win the white house. accept it. ron paul is not the peoples choice . why waste something as important as your vote on a party that has 0 chance of winning ?

It's not so much that the 3rd party has zero chance of winning, but a 3rd party candidate opens up the door for the wrong person to win. It was evident in 92 when Perot took votes from the Repubs and helped Klinton win the office. It was evident again in 96 when Perot ran again helping Klinton win re-election.

I'm afraid that if the RP nutswingers don't wake up, it may happen again.

[5.0_CJ]

hey BHAM. After reading your other ridiculously uneducated posts I saw this very well written and composed article. I immediately thought "this guys is not educated enough to compose this message." So, I immediately ctrl+c the first paragraph, and ctrl+v it in google, and guess what?

the first link:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/hamilton4.html

think for yourself dude, seriously.

[FSON]

It's not so much that the 3rd party has zero chance of winning, but a 3rd party candidate opens up the door for the wrong person to win. It was evident in 92 when Perot took votes from the Repubs and helped Klinton win the office. It was evident again in 96 when Perot ran again helping Klinton win re-election.

I'm afraid that if the RP nutswingers don't wake up, it may happen again.
We need a one party system. Then, only the person that is supposed to win, will.

[bcoop]

Nice. Plaigarism at it's finest.



Do any of you fucks have a brain? Are any of you "free thinkers"?

[5.0_CJ]

Nice. Plaigarism at it's finest.



Do any of you fucks have a brain? Are any of you "free thinkers"?

yeah thats the problem, one of them thinks, and everyone assumes the thoughts are free, and steals them.

[slow06]

hey BHAM. After reading your other ridiculously uneducated posts I saw this very well written and composed article. I immediately thought "this guys is not educated enough to compose this message." So, I immediately ctrl+c the first paragraph, and ctrl+v it in google, and guess what?

the first link:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/hamilton4.html

think for yourself dude, seriously.

I knew something was fishy, his comments afterword didn't match his original post.

Dang...I though it was a smart article too.

[FSON]

If there were no partys and individual candidates were running, who would you vote for?.
Dang, no one could vote, because there wouldn't be a party to vote for. Aren't we lucky.

[VETTKLR]

You end your first post with "peace", then when someone offers a discenting point of view you start screaming?

Fuckin' idiot, you are...


http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y258/emix2/Caps-lock-fury.jpg

Homeboy lost his cool, hit the caps lock button and eliminated any type of credibility in his original post. :rolleyes:

[32VfromHell]

I'm a conservative (not so much a Republican, I'm sure some here are the same) and I'm uninterested in this campaign because my vote really doesn't mean shit this year. You guys dogpile on Ron Paul, but he is a smart guy with some really good ideas. If he was running for the Republicans you'd all be giddy. Instead you get another old fart career politician candidate and a Disney made-for-TV "hockey mom becomes VP" sidekick.



I immediately disliked Ron Paul when i saw his "lets pull out everywhere around the globe" foreign policy plan. It would be nice if Paulie would realize the world economic machine sure is helped by having safe shipping lanes across the world brought to you by the US Navy, and US investors would have trouble investing overseas without considering the lack of security. I just think the plan sticks just looking at it strictly from an economic standpoint, not even looking at the "stick your head in the sand" isolationism problems.

[AL P]

RAWR.......... NOW YOU LISTEN HERE GOD DAMN IT

Blow it out your ass, fucktard.

[BHAM]

hey BHAM. After reading your other ridiculously uneducated posts I saw this very well written and composed article. I immediately thought "this guys is not educated enough to compose this message." So, I immediately ctrl+c the first paragraph, and ctrl+v it in google, and guess what?

the first link:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/hamilton4.html

think for yourself dude, seriously.
why waste 20 min writing the same thing down when u can cp? i never stated this was my personal writing , and as before i have stated that my keyboard is broke,... and when i log in i have to use caps, sometimes the button doesnt work ans it stays on...get over that caps thing, yall cry like a bunch of little girls..." take the caps button off....its to hard to read" or" stop yelling at me"...grow a pair, crybabies

[Paladin]

Been there, done that. Perot in '92. It didn't work out too well. It took votes away from Bush and let Cinton in with 43% of the vote. We can't afford to make a "statement" vote this year...

Why do some people think they are the only one who has thought through their decision on who to vote for? I find it funny that most of those people who try this usually come across as someone who does not do much thinking.

So are you the only one who has given thought to who you are voting for BHAM? :rolleyes:

[Fox466]

The sad part is that there are only 18 battleground states in this election - meaning there is no more than a 4% difference in Republican vs Democrat in that state.

And that is by FAR the most battleground states at this point in an election since they've been keeping tabs.

That means there are 32 states (Texas included) that have already picked their candidate. A vote for ANYONE in this state is basically a wasted vote - McCain will take this state's electoral vote in a landslide. And guess what - Obama already has California and New York! :eek:

As Texans, you can vote for RP or BO or whoever you want... the state will be voting for JM.

The bad thing about so many of the electoral votes already being "accounted for" by the two-party system is that we really never will get a third-party in to shake things up. That doesn't bother you? You either get the doctrine of one party, or the doctrine of the other. Both spend too much and both spend more time fighting than getting important policy enacted.

I'm a conservative (not so much a Republican, I'm sure some here are the same) and I'm uninterested in this campaign because my vote really doesn't mean shit this year. You guys dogpile on Ron Paul, but he is a smart guy with some really good ideas. If he was running for the Republicans you'd all be giddy. Instead you get another old fart career politician candidate and a Disney made-for-TV "hockey mom becomes VP" sidekick.

Meanwhile the economy is in flames and the stupid Americans are completely unprepared to deal with the shitstorm coming at them. No fault of any President or candidate btw.. ;)

Well said sir! And I'm right there with you on the whole of it...

[Fox466]

why waste 20 min writing the same thing down when u can cp? i never stated this was my personal writing , and as before i have stated that my keyboard is broke,... and when i log in i have to use caps, sometimes the button doesnt work ans it stays on...get over that caps thing, yall cry like a bunch of little girls..." take the caps button off....its to hard to read" or" stop yelling at me"...grow a pair, crybabies

So spend five bucks at a damned thrift store for a new one and quit your whining.

Then at least one of your issues will be solved.

Though we'll still have your atrocious punctuation and grammatical usage to contend with...

[Yale]

why waste 20 min writing the same thing down when u can cp?

Because failing to cite your sources amounts to plagiarism. If you'd have at least provided a link to where you were copying that from, you might have a leg to stand on, but since you presented it without citation, it's to be assumed it was presented as original work. People get expelled from college for the same thing. You'd know that if you went.

[Paladin]

why waste 20 min writing the same thing down when u can cp? i never stated this was my personal writing , and as before i have stated that my keyboard is broke,... and when i log in i have to use caps, sometimes the button doesnt work ans it stays on...get over that caps thing, yall cry like a bunch of little girls..." take the caps button off....its to hard to read" or" stop yelling at me"...grow a pair, crybabies

If you don't put it in quotes or identify it from the beginning as anothers work, it destroys your credibility.

[BHAM]

Because failing to cite your sources amounts to plagiarism. If you'd have at least provided a link to where you were copying that from, you might have a leg to stand on, but since you presented it without citation, it's to be assumed it was presented as original work. People get expelled from college for the same thing. You'd know that if you went.

thanks professor, if forgot this is the university of dfwstangs. :rolleyes:

[roberts]

Hmmmm

I think after the Florida scam the world knows American voting means nothing.

For christ sake Al Gore was voted to be the president.

[Vertnut]

Hmmmm

I think after the Florida scam the world knows American voting means nothing.

For christ sake Al Gore was voted to be the president.
:rolleyes:

[Paladin]

Hmmmm

I think after the Florida scam the world knows American voting means nothing.

For christ sake Al Gore was voted to be the president.

Okay, who woke up all the RP idiots? :cool:

[BHAM]

Okay, who woke up all the RP idiots? :cool:
just because someone sides with rp thay are idiots...?

[Paladin]

just because someone sides with rp thay are idiots...?

So far, yes. Your post above is a great example.

[roberts]

Okay, who woke up all the RP idiots? :cool:


RP idiots that speak from the Constitution.

And we have been awake.

Some people need to wake up.

[BHAM]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl6gCcG0ntg

[Vertnut]

RP idiots that speak from the Constitution.

And we have been awake.

Some people need to wake up.
Ron Paul makes Dubya look like a rocket scientist. As much as I like isolationalism, it won't work.

[roberts]

"WHAT I AM ... is a former democrat who now understands that it is the soldier and not the reporter that guarantees us our freedoms of press, speech and dissent."


This is a good statement, but if you have a nutjob sending troops into another country to take over there oil then sell it to China. Thats not fighting for freedom.

How does freedom play into that?

Fighting for freedom is defending your country from attackers. When has Iraq ever attacked the U.S.

I myself spent time over seas, I want to defend whats left of our freedom.
But do you really let yourself think America is defending itself for freedom.

Who is attacking Americans? You might find that we are being attacked more by our spending Gov, than Iraq or Afgan.

Dude wake up.

[Paladin]

"WHAT I AM ... is a former democrat who now understands that it is the soldier and not the reporter that guarantees us our freedoms of press, speech and dissent."


This is a good statement, but if you have a nutjob sending troops into another country to take over there oil then sell it to China. Thats not fighting for freedom.

How does freedom play into that?

Fighting for freedom is defending your country from attackers. When has Iraq ever attacked the U.S.

I myself spent time over seas, I want to defend whats left of our freedom.
But do you really let yourself think America is defending itself for freedom.

Who is attacking Americans? You might find that we are being attacked more by our spending Gov, than Iraq or Afgan.

Dude wake up.

I have no way of sending my message to your tin foil hat receiver, so nothing I would say would register.

[BHAM]

I have no way of sending my message to your tin foil hat receiver, so nothing I would say would register.
now thats a chicken shit reply

[mustangguy289]

Been there, done that. Perot in '92. It didn't work out too well. It took votes away from Bush and let Cinton in with 43% of the vote. We can't afford to make a "statement" vote this year...
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[Paladin]

now thats a chicken shit reply

oh rilly, y dew yu thnk sew

[MadMax404m]

RP idiots that speak from the Constitution.

Actually you are speaking against the constitution when it comes to the war.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ040.107

It is the job of the president to protect this country. Not to isolate it from the rest of the world. Do you know the ramifications that would cause to the world? And when something is wrong in the world who do they blame? When you blame someone out of anger what usually happens? You RP supporters can support him all you want I will not call you an idiot for it it is your decision but do not sit there and tell me he supports the constitution, he supports patriotism and our troops when he wants to basically put a big 'ol target in the center of this country.

[MadMax404m]

"WHAT I AM ... is a former democrat who now understands that it is the soldier and not the reporter that guarantees us our freedoms of press, speech and dissent."


This is a good statement, but if you have a nutjob sending troops into another country to take over there oil then sell it to China. Thats not fighting for freedom.

How does freedom play into that?

Fighting for freedom is defending your country from attackers. When has Iraq ever attacked the U.S.

I myself spent time over seas, I want to defend whats left of our freedom.
But do you really let yourself think America is defending itself for freedom.

Who is attacking Americans? You might find that we are being attacked more by our spending Gov, than Iraq or Afgan.

Dude wake up.

LMFAO, dude do you have any idea who we are fighting in Iraq right now? We destroyed the Irag army and Saddam a few years ago...sorry this is a completly different battle than what we won. Well considering our embassy just got bombed in Yemen I believe we are still being attacked by terrorists.

[BHAM]

LMFAO, dude do you have any idea who we are fighting in Iraq right now? We destroyed the Irag army and Saddam a few years ago...sorry this is a completly different battle than what we won. Well considering our embassy just got bombed in Yemen I believe we are still being attacked by terrorists.
no, really i dont know why we are over there....inform me great one

[BHAM]

i thought we were supposed to be in afganistan? to find obl. all this 911 shit was just a pretext for war. face it.

we are just a bunch of greedy americans, pushing our shit on everyone else who doesnt believe what we want them to. maybe thats why they blow shit up?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G33WvuOw2cI

[67camino]

i thought we were supposed to be in afganistan? to find obl. all this 911 shit was just a pretext for war. face it.

we are just a bunch of greedy americans, pushing our shit on everyone else who doesnt believe what we want them to. maybe thats why they blow shit up?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G33WvuOw2cI
YOU HAVE GOT TO BE AN ALIAS OF GTAMPON STRING

Fuck off

[MadMax404m]

i thought we were supposed to be in afganistan? to find obl. all this 911 shit was just a pretext for war. face it.

we are just a bunch of greedy americans, pushing our shit on everyone else who doesnt believe what we want them to. maybe thats why they blow shit up?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G33WvuOw2cI

We are not fighting the country of Iraq, we defeated them. We are fighting IN the country of Iraq. There is a reason why we are fighting in 3 different countries right now, Afganistan, Iraq, and Pakistan. Terrorists are not secluded to ONE COUNTRY.

Edit- we are also getting bombed in other countries(today in Yemen for example). If america goes into isolation, how do you think the world will react? Do you think they will go, "good there goes the bombings" or do you think they will go into a frenzy. You want to have a pretext for war? Then let RP go into office and pull everyone from everywhere and go into isolation. We will see how much "world peace" there is then.

[Magnus]

Brandon, you're a real cool dude in person man, awesome to hang out with, even if it is a pain in the ass to get to your place, but you're digging a hole here.

[BHAM]

Brandon, you're a real cool dude in person man, awesome to hang out with, even if it is a pain in the ass to get to your place, but you're digging a hole here.
look guys, i know i can be an ass about this...im just trying to bring a different view to the table.....

[MadMax404m]

look guys, i know i can be an ass about this...im just trying to bring a different view to the table.....

And your view is always welcome in my book. Like I said RP has an excellent economic policy, I just cannot get past his foreign policy.

Now if Thompson was pushing as hard as RP is. I would be doing the same just with Thompsons views :D

[BHAM]

“Five years ago, Congressman Ron Paul introduced a bill in Congress that would have removed federal subsidies from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Dr. Paul stated that 'by transferring the risk of a widespread mortgage default, the government increases the likelihood of a painful crash in the housing market.' Dr. Paul saw what was coming in 2003, and attempted to be proactive in trying to stop it. However, his bill was ignored and never made it out of committee. I WONDER WHY IT NEVER MADE IT OUT OF COMMITTEE?

[Vertnut]

“Five years ago, Congressman Ron Paul introduced a bill in Congress that would have removed federal subsidies from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Dr. Paul stated that 'by transferring the risk of a widespread mortgage default, the government increases the likelihood of a painful crash in the housing market.' Dr. Paul saw what was coming in 2003, and attempted to be proactive in trying to stop it. However, his bill was ignored and never made it out of committee. I WONDER WHY IT NEVER MADE IT OUT OF COMMITTEE?
McCain tried it again in '05, and it was stopped also.

[big_tiger]

Well K104 can register people to vote now. There little ad has quotes from Saturday night live, when they were making fun of Palin. Way to make voting a serious matter. :rolleyes:

[BHAM]

McCain tried it again in '05, and it was stopped also.
why are these things not stopped? its just sickening

[bigwhip2]

i thought we were supposed to be in afganistan? to find obl. all this 911 shit was just a pretext for war. face it.

we are just a bunch of greedy americans, pushing our shit on everyone else who doesnt believe what we want them to. maybe thats why they blow shit up?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G33WvuOw2cI
We sure showed those stinking Indians, didn't we..Shoved our way of life down their throats, and screwed up a beautiful country!!

[67camino]

why are these things not stopped? its just sickening
Because to many law makers (senators/congressmen) get to much money to look the other way. BTW Obama was third highest on the list of people that recieved money from fannie/fredie to the tune of 85mil. That seems high for a first term senator, maybe he has something on them or for them. :mad:

[black01gt]

Because to many law makers (senators/congressmen) get to much money to look the other way. BTW Obama was third highest on the list of people that recieved money from fannie/fredie to the tune of 85mil. That seems high for a first term senator, maybe he has something on them or for them. :mad:
You're saying that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have donated $85Mill to Obama's campaign?

[Vertnut]

You're saying that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have donated $85Mill to Obama's campaign?
I think he means the heads of those entities were compensated that much.