Couture vs. Lesnar

[5.0_CJ]

discuss.

[ITSSlow]

First !!!!!! Lesnar FTW

[JKD]

All I will say is I absolutely HATE Lesnar and knowing he's in the UFC makes me sick.

[ruffdaddy]

All I will say is I absolutely HATE Lesnar and knowing he's in the UFC makes me sick.

Why such a hater?

Lesnar is actually one of the only UFC fighters I enjoy watching anymore. He seems to be working very hard to get to the top.

[bigbirdbryan21]

i give him his props he is trying but i dont think he deserves a shot even though he is a freak and has a decent chance at winning!

[JKD]

Why such a hater?

Lesnar is actually one of the only UFC fighters I enjoy watching anymore. He seems to be working very hard to get to the top.



He's a rookie getting a title shot for one. Evans is 17-0 and hasn't had one. UFC is just using his name to sell PPV's and put butts in the seats.

From a technical stand point, he's horrible. Yes, he was a successful college wrestler but that doesn't make him a fighter worthy of the UFC level. He bum rushes and then hammer fists like a girl.

[greenrebel]

For JKD's comment, I don't give a shit how the guy fights as long as it's not illegal in the rules. If you can't defend, then you lose, that's the name of the game. I'm hoping for Couture to win, just because I like the guy.

[ruffdaddy]

He's a rookie getting a title shot for one. Evans is 17-0 and hasn't had one. UFC is just using his name to sell PPV's and put butts in the seats.

From a technical stand point, he's horrible. Yes, he was a successful college wrestler but that doesn't make him a fighter worthy of the UFC level. He bum rushes and then hammer fists like a girl.

Meh...I guess everyone has their own opinions.

Mine: This is for entertainment purposes and revenue. I truley believe Lesnar is giving it his best. I also know that Dana White wants to make money. If he's man enough to get in there and risk an ass beating, then he still deserves a bit of respect.

Personally I don't like the way the UFC is run as much as I want to.

[ThreeFingerPete]

Meh...I guess everyone has their own opinions.

Mine: This is for entertainment purposes and revenue. I truley believe Lesnar is giving it his best. I also know that Dana White wants to make money. If he's man enough to get in there and risk an ass beating, then he still deserves a bit of respect.

Personally I don't like the way the UFC is run as much as I want to.

You're also not a fighter, so you have no idea what kind of dedication and YEARS of work guys have put in to get to the top. Then Brock comes in fresh out of the WWE and is walked straight to the top in his 3rd pro fight.

Is he a great athlete? Absolutely. Is he a great wrestler? Yes. Did he dominate Herring? Sure. Can he finish a fight? Not so far. Does he deserve a tital shot? Not a chance.

It's a win/win for Dana. Randy wins? FIGHT OF THE CENTURY, Lesnar wins and he is legitimized in the sport (as far as Joe Schmoe fan is concerned)

[Sean88gt]

I think Randy will surprise the shit out of Lesner and hope he does.

[BOOSTED32V]

Randy by shear expericance in the octagon. I don't believe Cock Lesner should be getting a title shot so soon, he needs to work his way up, but like Adam said it looks as though Dana White is selling out. :rolleyes:

[whitetrash]

Randy by shear expericance in the octagon. I don't believe Cock Lesner should be getting a title shot so soon, he needs to work his way up, but like Adam said it looks as though Dana White is selling out. :rolleyes:
you call it selling out, i call it business. really if no one buys the ppv and there are no asses in the seats no one gets paid.

i do think lesnar should have to work his way up but in the end its all just business

[ruffdaddy]

You're also not a fighter, so you have no idea what kind of dedication and YEARS of work guys have put in to get to the top. Then Brock comes in fresh out of the WWE and is walked straight to the top in his 3rd pro fight.

Is he a great athlete? Absolutely. Is he a great wrestler? Yes. Did he dominate Herring? Sure. Can he finish a fight? Not so far. Does he deserve a tital shot? Not a chance.

It's a win/win for Dana. Randy wins? FIGHT OF THE CENTURY, Lesnar wins and he is legitimized in the sport (as far as Joe Schmoe fan is concerned)

Yes, I know these things. I also know the value of entertainment. Dana isn't giving people title shots for charity or hard work here.

You're right I'm not a fighter, But have trained a little with fighter friends who are completely dedicated. That's why I'm not a fighter...I love the sport, But the truely dedicated guys I know drink maybe 3 times a year, train all the time, are always beat up, and have a diet 99.9% of people couldn't go with. I don't want that lifestyle.

I'm sure there are thousands of people out there that train just as hard as alot of UFC guys, but at the end of the day, the most important details are Revenue...Stage Presence...recruiting interest for the sport. Think of how many WWE fans are now more into UFC than ever.

What you're neglecting is the fact that Lesnar has put just as much dedication and time into being the athlete he is. He's not some scrub off the streets that hasn't paid his dues...he's just coming into a different sport.

[ThreeFingerPete]

Yes, I know these things. I also know the value of entertainment. Dana isn't giving people title shots for charity or hard work here.

You're right I'm not a fighter, But have trained a little with fighter friends who are completely dedicated. That's why I'm not a fighter...I love the sport, But the truely dedicated guys I know drink maybe 3 times a year, train all the time, are always beat up, and have a diet 99.9% of people couldn't go with. I don't want that lifestyle.

I'm sure there are thousands of people out there that train just as hard as alot of UFC guys, but at the end of the day, the most important details are Revenue...Stage Presence...recruiting interest for the sport. Think of how many WWE fans are now more into UFC than ever.

What you're neglecting is the fact that Lesnar has put just as much dedication and time into being the athlete he is. He's not some scrub off the streets that hasn't paid his dues...he's just coming into a different sport.

So should we give Michael Phelps a shot at the lightweight belt after 3 fights just because he's an accomplished athlete? Brock Lesnar has also undoubtedly ingested more steroids/HGH than the entire rest of the heavyweight roster. LOL

[ruffdaddy]

So should we give Michael Phelps a shot at the lightweight belt after 3 fights just because he's an accomplished athlete? Brock Lesnar has also undoubtedly ingested more steroids/HGH than the entire rest of the heavyweight roster. LOL

Wrestling and fighting are similar. Everyone also loves to say that a wrestler couldn't hold his own.

But bringing Michael phelps into this is just stupid.

I'm saying this is a business, and if I were in the same position, I wouldn't dare pass up such a chance at all of this revenue and neither would you. I could care less who people think "deserves" the chance.

[ThreeFingerPete]

Wrestling and fighting are similar. Everyone also loves to say that a wrestler couldn't hold his own.

But bringing Michael phelps into this is just stupid.

I'm saying this is a business, and if I were in the same position, I wouldn't dare pass up such a chance at all of this revenue and neither would you. I could care less who people think "deserves" the chance.


My point was that I'm not neglecting Lesnar's dedication, I'm simply saying that the term Paying your dues comes from somewhere. When he tried to go to the NFL they didn't put him on the starting lineup just because he was an accomplished athlete, did they? Bringing Michael Phelps into this was directed towards your mention of dedication and

Actually, I would not give him a title shot after 3 fights. He hasn't even fought Nogueira, the interrim champion. He is 1 and 1 against good fighters. That doesn't scream title shot to me.


Nobody thinks that a wrestler can't win. If you're a wrestler who expects to be able to win, you better know some jiu jitsu defense, how to throw a punch and hopefully how to take a punch at a minimum, however some wrestling knowledge is part of MMA 101, and since you're a fan, I would have expected you to know that.

[JKD]

My point was that I'm not neglecting Lesnar's dedication, I'm simply saying that the term Paying your dues comes from somewhere. When he tried to go to the NFL they didn't put him on the starting lineup just because he was an accomplished athlete, did they? Bringing Michael Phelps into this was directed towards your mention of dedication and

Actually, I would not give him a title shot after 3 fights. He hasn't even fought Nogueira, the interrim champion. He is 1 and 1 against good fighters. That doesn't scream title shot to me.


Nobody thinks that a wrestler can't win. If you're a wrestler who expects to be able to win, you better know some jiu jitsu defense, how to throw a punch and hopefully how to take a punch at a minimum, however some wrestling knowledge is part of MMA 101, and since you're a fan, I would have expected you to know that.


Exactly.

I apologoze for not being able to argue my point effectively. It's hard to think clearly with a screaming baby in the house. Still getting used to it. lol

[turkey_85gt]

My point was that I'm not neglecting Lesnar's dedication, I'm simply saying that the term Paying your dues comes from somewhere. When he tried to go to the NFL they didn't put him on the starting lineup just because he was an accomplished athlete, did they? Bringing Michael Phelps into this was directed towards your mention of dedication and

Actually, I would not give him a title shot after 3 fights. He hasn't even fought Nogueira, the interrim champion. He is 1 and 1 against good fighters. That doesn't scream title shot to me.


Nobody thinks that a wrestler can't win. If you're a wrestler who expects to be able to win, you better know some jiu jitsu defense, how to throw a punch and hopefully how to take a punch at a minimum, however some wrestling knowledge is part of MMA 101, and since you're a fan, I would have expected you to know that.


Adam,

Mr. Future UFC fighter......STFU!!!

[Thomas99GT]

With a 2-1 record he doesn't need to be in a title fight. I hope Randy embarrases his ass and sends him back to WWE.

[ThreeFingerPete]

With a 2-1 record he doesn't need to be in a title fight. I hope Randy embarrases his ass and sends him back to WWE.

Actually, I think he has a lot of promise. He's extremely athletic and is an absolute beast of a man. With some time, he'll be a good fighter, but until then we're going to see a lot of him getting a take down, and trying to maintain control. It's a lame way to win fights, but it will still win fights until he tries it with another good/great BJJ guy.

[turkey_85gt]

With a 2-1 record he doesn't need to be in a title fight. I hope Randy embarrases his ass and sends him back to WWE.


I bet you're still going to watch the fight, right? That's what Dana is doing, give you something to watch. If he wins, he will truly bring in more viewers. Lesner wins, whats next......Bigger fights.....More money for Dana.

[Tyrone Biggums]

What a fucking joke. All the UFC needs is to add a couple of W's to their name. It was fun while it lasted. Lesnar doesn't deserve to bleach mats in a McDojo, let alone fight Randy.

[Cmarsh93z]

I was surprised he was getting a title shot so soon. Just reminds me of the early UFC, when it was just a free for all of all different styles of fighting, when anyone could win.

[ThreeFingerPete]

What a fucking joke. All the UFC needs is to add a couple of W's to their name. It was fun while it lasted. Lesnar doesn't deserve to bleach mats in a McDojo, let alone fight Randy.


That's fucked up Jimmy, He did MAUL Heath Herring, who has fought the best fighters in the world. Now if he could learn to finish a fight...

[The Big Matt]

the shitty thing is Dana went out there and basically clowned every other organization, talked about Kimbo and the way they were using his "internet success" as a marketing ploy to put butts in seats. He said he'd never do that, UFC only put on quality fights, and Brock will have to work his way through, not getting anything for free, blah blah...

Then when his numbers are struggling, and realizes that using Kimbo was a good idea for sales. Boo LESNAR in a title match.... against who? Randy

Dana White is a weasel of a guy.

[The Big Matt]

That's fucked up Jimmy, He did MAUL Heath Herring, who has fought the best fighters in the world. Now if he could learn to finish a fight...

Herring was hand picked for Lesnar, knowing damn well Herring has never done good against strong wrestlers.

[ThreeFingerPete]

Herring was hand picked for Lesnar, knowing damn well Herring has never done good against strong wrestlers.

Of course! He has to have ONE legitimate win under his belt before his title shot.

[Buzzo]

the shitty thing is Dana went out there and basically clowned every other organization, talked about Kimbo and the way they were using his "internet success" as a marketing ploy to put butts in seats. He said he'd never do that, UFC only put on quality fights, and Brock will have to work his way through, not getting anything for free, blah blah...

Then when his numbers are struggling, and realizes that using Kimbo was a good idea for sales. Boo LESNAR in a title match.... against who? Randy

Dana White is a weasel of a guy.
funny thing is, I would bet the farm on Kembo in a fight against Lesnor

[JKD]

funny thing is, I would bet the farm on Kembo in a fight against Lesnor



That's because Kimbo would be the only one throwing punches in the octagon. All Lesnar can do is sprint across the ring to football tackle him then pound on him like a girl scout.

[ThreeFingerPete]

That's because Kimbo would be the only one throwing punches in the octagon. All Lesnar can do is sprint across the ring to football tackle him then pound on him like a girl scout.

Lesnar would beat Kimbo at this point, IMO.

[Sean88gt]

Dana White is a rich motherfucker that wants more.

Fixed.

I miss the old days of UFC when they had all night fights and guys that were beat to fuck and broken were pounding on each other for $1500. Now that takes a lot of heart.

[5.0_CJ]

Honestly, I'm glad they have worked so hard to build up Lesnar, because I hope Randy out smarts him and pounds his ass. It will look great for Randy coming back from such a large break and whoopin the latest and greatest. However, if Randy loses, it will be very disappointing, and really humiliating.

What puzzles me the most about this card though is if Dana is really serious about being able to finalize with Fedor for a fight against Randy, why would he risk him against a relative newcomer? Just how less interesting will the Randy/Fedor fight be if it a) isn't a title shot and b) randy just comes off a loss from a guy in his 3rd fight.

[The Big Matt]

funny thing is, I would bet the farm on Kembo in a fight against Lesnor

Then you're an idiot.... Kimbo would have nothing against Lesnar's takedowns and lay on top offense

[The Big Matt]

Fixed.

I miss the old days of UFC when they had all night fights and guys that were beat to fuck and broken were pounding on each other for $1500. Now that takes a lot of heart.

although it took a lot of heart, it was nothing more than piss poor bar fighting.

The matchups were shit, the entire concept was crap.

I think the sport has come leaps and bound, in a good way, from that original UFC crap.

Competition is a good thing, more exposure is a good thing, Dana just wants be the only option so he can manipulate fighter pay.

[The Big Matt]

Honestly, I'm glad they have worked so hard to build up Lesnar, because I hope Randy out smarts him and pounds his ass. It will look great for Randy coming back from such a large break and whoopin the latest and greatest. However, if Randy loses, it will be very disappointing, and really humiliating.

What puzzles me the most about this card though is if Dana is really serious about being able to finalize with Fedor for a fight against Randy, why would he risk him against a relative newcomer? Just how less interesting will the Randy/Fedor fight be if it a) isn't a title shot and b) randy just comes off a loss from a guy in his 3rd fight.

Dana is not getting Fedor, unless the UFC gives up half of their profits for the fight, end of story. Fedor won't sign the exclusive deal UFC requires. And M-1 won't let him fight UFC unless they co-promote the fight.

Randy will fight Lesnar, and then the winner fights the winner of Nog and Mir to unify the title. The assumption is that Randy wins this fight, then fights the fight against Mir/Nog, and a final "retirement" fight. Which is suspected to be Chuck. Unless UFC gives up A LOT, there's no way M-1 or Fedor will sign anything.

I'm assuming a January fight of Nog/Mir vs Randy for January to compete with the Affliction card, then a final fight around March for Randy.

If Affliction is still going, which I hope they are, we'll see Randy Fedor Summer of next year.

[sixtysevenfastback]

Then you're an idiot.... Kimbo would have nothing against Lesnar's takedowns and lay on top offense
I have to agree with you there, kimbo's only chance would be to try and pull a lidell and hope brock runs into one of his fists. Brock is bigger, stronger, faster, and has superb wrestling ability ( he just lacks that natural ability to strike effectively ) all kimbo has is a chin that hasnt really been tested and some powerful tomorrow punches.

[5.0_CJ]

Dana is not getting Fedor, unless the UFC gives up half of their profits for the fight, end of story. Fedor won't sign the exclusive deal UFC requires. And M-1 won't let him fight UFC unless they co-promote the fight.

Randy will fight Lesnar, and then the winner fights the winner of Nog and Mir to unify the title. The assumption is that Randy wins this fight, then fights the fight against Mir/Nog, and a final "retirement" fight. Which is suspected to be Chuck. Unless UFC gives up A LOT, there's no way M-1 or Fedor will sign anything.

I'm assuming a January fight of Nog/Mir vs Randy for January to compete with the Affliction card, then a final fight around March for Randy.

If Affliction is still going, which I hope they are, we'll see Randy Fedor Summer of next year.

Right, there is also the Affliction avenue, it was pretty much on my mind when I was writing that but I didn't mention it. I think the fight is going to happen, regardless of the venue, I don't like the idea of putting him up against Lesnar, just doesn't seem like a good idea.

[JKD]

I have to agree with you there, kimbo's only chance would be to try and pull a lidell and hope brock runs into one of his fists. Brock is bigger, stronger, faster, and has superb wrestling ability ( he just lacks that natural ability to strike effectively ) all kimbo has is a chin that hasnt really been tested and some powerful tomorrow punches.



Just because fighter A is bigger ,stronger and faster then fighter B does not mean it negates fighter B's attributes. Fighter A still makes mistakes, feels pain and has to deal with all the same issues as any other fighter.

[Tyrone Biggums]

That's fucked up Jimmy, He did MAUL Heath Herring, who has fought the best fighters in the world. Now if he could learn to finish a fight...


That's not saying much. Herring is overrated and a far cry from the fighter he was in Pride. I don't care if Lesnar can cure cancer by firing lightning bolts from his asshole, I'll never have any respect for him. I'd bet a lot of fighters feel the same way.

[poopnut2]

I wouldn't want to fight him, but as far as MMA guys go. The guy has no skill. Just a big strong MF'er. Randy should have fun with him.

[ThreeFingerPete]

I wouldn't want to fight him, but as far as MMA guys go. The guy has no skill. Just a big strong MF'er. Randy should have fun with him.

So being a great wrestler does not constitute "skill" in an MMA environment? REALLY? Tell Randleman, Hughes, etc, to pack up and go home.


Jimmy, Did you see Herring in that fight? He looked good, but Brock just manhandled him. The mother fucker has heart, I'll give him that.

Just because he's a roided up freak of nature who if only by the grace of God can get under 265 long enough to step on a scale, doesn't mean he isn't also great wrestler who deserves a fair chance at making himself as a fighter. Unfortunately, his career is being served on a nice silver platter to him.

[ClockwrkOrangeS4]

Bottom line, just about everyone on this thread will watch it, title fight or not.








I look like Dana White and I approve this message.

[poopnut2]

So being a great wrestler does not constitute "skill" in an MMA environment? REALLY? Tell Randleman, Hughes, etc, to pack up and go home.


Jimmy, Did you see Herring in that fight? He looked good, but Brock just manhandled him. The mother fucker has heart, I'll give him that.

Just because he's a roided up freak of nature who if only by the grace of God can get under 265 long enough to step on a scale, doesn't mean he isn't also great wrestler who deserves a fair chance at making himself as a fighter. Unfortunately, his career is being served on a nice silver platter to him.

How many times has Lesnar tried to wrestle in the cage? I've seen two fights and I count zero. Actually, the one time he could've gone to the ground I think it was Mier who got an ankle lock on him and it took a good 1/2 second for Lesnar to tap out. His second fight, he showed a little more striking skill but hell, he ha 30+ lbs on the guy he was fighting so yeah, he just ran in swinging. On the ground, he pretty much sat down on the guy and like someone said before, proceeded to hammer fist.

Hopefully with Couture, we'll see some wrestling, but I doubt it. BTW, did anyone else notice how flabby Lesnar is getting now that he's off the juice?

[ThreeFingerPete]

How many times has Lesnar tried to wrestle in the cage? I've seen two fights and I count zero. Actually, the one time he could've gone to the ground I think it was Mier who got an ankle lock on him and it took a good 1/2 second for Lesnar to tap out. His second fight, he showed a little more striking skill but hell, he ha 30+ lbs on the guy he was fighting so yeah, he just ran in swinging. On the ground, he pretty much sat down on the guy and like someone said before, proceeded to hammer fist.

Hopefully with Couture, we'll see some wrestling, but I doubt it. BTW, did anyone else notice how flabby Lesnar is getting now that he's off the juice?

That level of ground control is wrestling, dipstick. It's not as easy as you might think to sit on a trained individual who wants out from under you, even if you have 30lbs on him. Herring is pretty fucking good at getting out from under people, and Brock pretty much plastered his ass to the mat.

He's not really flabby, but he has no reason to be 330lbs @ 5% anymore since he's not a wrestler. lol

[poopnut2]

That level of ground control is wrestling, dipstick. It's not as easy as you might think to sit on a trained individual who wants out from under you, even if you have 30lbs on him. Herring is pretty fucking good at getting out from under people, and Brock pretty much plastered his ass to the mat.

He's not really flabby, but he has no reason to be 330lbs @ 5% anymore since he's not a wrestler. lol

Didn't look like much ground control to me. After that first punch to the face I thought the fight was gonna be over, and probably should've been.

On the flabby note, I was just saying. Crazy how fast that muscle tone goes down once you stop taking the roids. When I saw his first fight I was like Jesus Christ, this is a two legged bull with fists.

[The Big Matt]

Didn't look like much ground control to me. After that first punch to the face I thought the fight was gonna be over, and probably should've been.

On the flabby note, I was just saying. Crazy how fast that muscle tone goes down once you stop taking the roids. When I saw his first fight I was like Jesus Christ, this is a two legged bull with fists.

Roids are one thing, but Lesnar also isn't spending 4-5 hours a day lifting weights like he was when he was a pro wrestler. Although I'm sure he's still lifting, he's concentrating more on training to fight. Strength isn't a major concern of his, as much as getting more experience in stand up, as well as ground offense and defense.

[AbecX]

Roids? No, this guy has 10 times more knowledge than GotBoost (which should say something since Aarons a freak too ) when it comes to diets and working muscle groups. He's been busted for 'roids' before, only to be released and all charges dropped because the 'roids' were found to be vitamins. The guys naturally big and knows exactly what to ingest to make himself 'pro wrestler' physique and what to eat to become a low bf high stamina freak. Man, people are so quick to throw the roid card when they have such low understanding of what a balanced diet and knowing your bodies reaction from years of muscle building can do.

and lol at flabby? are you serious...

[rickey chandler]

I agree with the last two, but I am a Couture fan and I would like to see this happen. I would also would like to see Rich Franklin fight Brandon Vera. Go Couture!!

[5.0_CJ]

I would just hate to see a quick KO by Lesnar against Couture, man that would be disappointing.

[bigbirdbryan21]

Roids are one thing, but Lesnar also isn't spending 4-5 hours a day lifting weights like he was when he was a pro wrestler. Although I'm sure he's still lifting, he's concentrating more on training to fight. Strength isn't a major concern of his, as much as getting more experience in stand up, as well as ground offense and defense.

:confused:
are you f@$king kidding?????

hope your not serious!!

being informed on all that is great and will take your body to a whole nother world but come on man think about what your saying!


"LESNAR NEVER TOOK STERIODS"?????????

bwwwhahahahahhahahahha ooo hahahahahhahah :D

[ThreeFingerPete]

:confused:
are you f@$king kidding?????

hope your not serious!!

being informed on all that is great and will take your body to a whole nother world but come on man think about what your saying!


"LESNAR NEVER TOOK STERIODS"?????????

bwwwhahahahahhahahahha ooo hahahahahhahah :D

I think you quoted the wrong post.

Roids? No, this guy has 10 times more knowledge than GotBoost (which should say something since Aarons a freak too ) when it comes to diets and working muscle groups. He's been busted for 'roids' before, only to be released and all charges dropped because the 'roids' were found to be vitamins. The guys naturally big and knows exactly what to ingest to make himself 'pro wrestler' physique and what to eat to become a low bf high stamina freak. Man, people are so quick to throw the roid card when they have such low understanding of what a balanced diet and knowing your bodies reaction from years of muscle building can do.


You're stupid.

[5.0_CJ]

Couture has done good against strikers in the past... but he's also been popped by more of them too. Vitor Belfort, Tim Sylvia, etc.. all succumbed. Liddell got 2/3 on him. In my opinion the last 2 couture/liddell fights were questionable w/ thumbs in eyes and then immediate KO's - both seemed to show Randy being injured just before the KO.

[The Big Matt]

Roids? No, this guy has 10 times more knowledge than GotBoost (which should say something since Aarons a freak too ) when it comes to diets and working muscle groups. He's been busted for 'roids' before, only to be released and all charges dropped because the 'roids' were found to be vitamins. The guys naturally big and knows exactly what to ingest to make himself 'pro wrestler' physique and what to eat to become a low bf high stamina freak. Man, people are so quick to throw the roid card when they have such low understanding of what a balanced diet and knowing your bodies reaction from years of muscle building can do.

and lol at flabby? are you serious...

Cruz... seriously, every competitive pro wrestler is on steroids

no ifs ands or buts, you don't make it to the big show without it.

[AbecX]

Cruz... seriously, every competitive pro wrestler is on steroids

no ifs ands or buts, you don't make it to the big show without it.
They do random drug tests now ( at least in the wwe i dont know about roh/tna/nwa ) for quite a while and it's a no bull shit 3 strikes and you're out rule now. Kurt Angle had to leave the WWE because of it, Jeff Hardy's on his 2nd strike one more and he's done, Randy orton, Chris Masters, Test, there is a TON of people that have taken random 'leaves' from the business or have been fired all together for merely being busted once and I'm talking headliners, WWE's money makers. Just because its 'low brow' and you know nothing about it doesn't mean you should just make snap judgments. I'm not saying ALL wrestlers are clean 24 hours a day 7 days a week, but there has been nothing of any note over lesnars career in amateur, 'professional' or mma career that has even pointed to steroids but the common consensus is, lol he's big he's on roids which is just ignorance.

[The Big Matt]

They do random drug tests now ( at least in the wwe i dont know about roh/tna/nwa ) for quite a while and it's a no bull shit 3 strikes and you're out rule now. Kurt Angle had to leave the WWE because of it, Jeff Hardy's on his 2nd strike one more and he's done, Randy orton, Chris Masters, Test, there is a TON of people that have taken random 'leaves' from the business or have been fired all together for merely being busted once and I'm talking headliners, WWE's money makers. Just because its 'low brow' and you know nothing about it doesn't mean you should just make snap judgments. I'm not saying ALL wrestlers are clean 24 hours a day 7 days a week, but there has been nothing of any note over lesnars career in amateur, 'professional' or mma career that has even pointed to steroids but the common consensus is, lol he's big he's on roids which is just ignorance.

Ok, so what about HGH? it doesn't show up on any sort of tests?

Maybe in saying steroids, I should have said, "performance enhancing drugs"

And as for the WWE testing and suspending... we all know there is no real governing body other than Vince, and Triple H as well as Batista have admitted to PED use

[AbecX]

The drug tests in WWE are random and performed by a third party which Vince has no control over. HGH isnt a steroid, there is a difference, but even then they do test for it:

http://corporate.wwe.com/news/wellness/wellness.jsp

I'm not going to sit here and lie, and say all wrastlers are clean, like i said earlier, but I'm strictly talking about Brock. The moment he fails his first drug test, I'll shut up and stop defending him. Reality is that he's done 2 UFC fights and hasn't tested positive for anything and has never tested positive for anything in his entire career.

[ThreeFingerPete]

The drug tests in WWE are random and performed by a third party which Vince has no control over. HGH isnt a steroid, there is a difference, but even then they do test for it:

http://corporate.wwe.com/news/wellness/wellness.jsp

I'm not going to sit here and lie, and say all wrastlers are clean, like i said earlier, but I'm strictly talking about Brock. The moment he fails his first drug test, I'll shut up and stop defending him. Reality is that he's done 2 UFC fights and hasn't tested positive for anything and has never tested positive for anything in his entire career.

Believe what you want, but the people who they don't want to get tested don't get tested, and IF they are to be tested, they'll be given plenty of notice. Not to say that there aren't ways around testing, but I seriously don't buy it for a minute. All of the wrestlers that I've ever met lived on a combination of prescription drugs and steroids.

[dudeitstaylor]

Herring got fucking murdered. Have to say I like Brock.

[dudeitstaylor]

Right before the third round began in the lesnar/herring fight, the face Brock makes after seeing herrings face is fucking priceless. Rofl :P

[ThreeFingerPete]

Herring got fucking murdered. Have to say I like Brock.

Herring didn't get murdered. Murder would have been a first round stoppage by brutal strikes from the top. Lesnar had control the whole fight and didn't do anything with it.

[JKD]

. Lesnar had control the whole fight and didn't do anything with it.

LOL, that's all Mr.WWE is capable of.

[AbecX]

LOL, that's all Mr.WWE is capable of.
Didn't Couture decision Sylvia after playing with him on the ground all night? -_-

[JKD]

Didn't Couture decision Sylvia after playing with him on the ground all night? -_-



You're talkin about the most hated, boring fighter in the history of MMA to date - Sylvia? No one will look good fighting him.

[ThreeFingerPete]

Didn't Couture decision Sylvia after playing with him on the ground all night? -_-

Well, Sylvia had 40lbs on Couture and Randy took him down and beat on him for most of the fight. Lesnar did the same thing, only less effective on the striking aspect and he had 30lbs on Herring.

[5.0_CJ]

Well, Sylvia had 40lbs on Couture and Randy took him down and beat on him for most of the fight. Lesnar did the same thing, only less effective on the striking aspect and he had 30lbs on Herring.

Both of those fights were very similar. A big bang and then laying on top of them.

[ThreeFingerPete]

Both of those fights were very similar. A big bang and then laying on top of them.

I could see how a simpleton could draw that conclusion. They did have some similarities, but Randy was much more active in his ground attack than Brock was.

[bigbirdbryan21]

LOL, that's all Mr.WWE is capable of.


randy does the same shit dude! i like randy always have but he never finishes fights either they always go to decisions! well unless he loses and then...

[The Big Matt]

randy does the same shit dude! i like randy always have but he never finishes fights either they always go to decisions! well unless he loses and then...

You're a fucking moron...

Win Gabriel Gonzaga TKO (Strikes) UFC 74
Win Tim Sylvia Decision (Unanimous) UFC 68
Win Mike Van Arsdale Submission (Anaconda Choke) UFC 54
Win Vitor Belfort TKO (Doctor Stoppage) UFC 49
Win Tito Ortiz Decision (Unanimous) UFC 44
Win Chuck Liddell TKO (Punches) UFC 43
Win Pedro Rizzo TKO (Strikes) UFC 34
Win Pedro Rizzo Decision (Unanimous) UFC 31
Win Tsuyoshi Kohsaka Decision (Unanimous) Rings - King of Kings 2000 Final
Win Kevin Randleman TKO (Strikes) UFC 28
Win Jeremy Horn Decision (Unanimous) Rings - King of Kings 2000 Block A
Win Ryushi Yanagisawa Decision (Majority) Rings - King of Kings 2000 Block A
Win Maurice Smith Decision UFC Japan - Ultimate Japan 1
Win Vitor Belfort TKO (Strikes) UFC 15 - Collision Course
Win Tony Halme Submission (Rear Naked Choke) UFC 13
Win Steven Graham TKO (Strikes) UFC 13


7 of Randy's wins have been Decisions, that's less than half.
And only one of those decisions was a split decision, all the rest were unanimous

[5.0_CJ]

I could see how a simpleton could draw that conclusion. They did have some similarities, but Randy was much more active in his ground attack than Brock was.

A simpleton ? Damn you are a fucking prick. Did I really insult your intelligence that much? After reviewing your posts in this thread, you just about disagree with everyone and then insult their intelligence when you fail to convince them of your opinion, I didn't even fucking disagree with you, I just gave a basic summary of 2 fights similarities - and they were very valid. Coming from someone who doesn't know you at all until this thread, I'd say you're a worthless tool with an inferiority complex. Get a grip you sloppy woman.

[SS Junk]

I still believe Lesner will beat Couture. He improved leaps and bounds from his first UFC fight. Perhaps it'll happen again and he'll learn how to finish on the ground since we all know that's where it's going to end up if Brock can take punches to the face.
Roids? No, this guy has 10 times more knowledge than GotBoost (which should say something since Aarons a freak too ) when it comes to diets and working muscle groups. He's been busted for 'roids' before, only to be released and all charges dropped because the 'roids' were found to be vitamins. The guys naturally big and knows exactly what to ingest to make himself 'pro wrestler' physique and what to eat to become a low bf high stamina freak. Man, people are so quick to throw the roid card when they have such low understanding of what a balanced diet and knowing your bodies reaction from years of muscle building can do.

and lol at flabby? are you serious...
Are you serious... Next thing you're going to say is Batista is "all natural..."
There is no person with that kind of frame/stature at that height who is natural. Don't be stupid.

[5.0_CJ]

I still believe Lesner will beat Couture. He improved leaps and bounds from his first UFC fight. Perhaps it'll happen again and he'll learn how to finish on the ground since we all know that's where it's going to end up if Brock can take punches to the face.

Are you serious... Next thing you're going to say is Batista is "all natural..."
There is no person with that kind of frame/stature at that height who is natural. Don't be stupid.

I hope he doesn't beat Couture, but yes I'll agree this is definitely a scary fight for Randy. But, you know what... I've felt that way for his last 3 or 4 fights, and now I've learned to never bet against him.. can't ignore how wrong I've been time and time again.

[bigbirdbryan21]

i like randy he is one of my fav fighters i know his record and wins im just saying i see alot of randy in brock and once brock learns to stay busy and works alitttle on dirty boxing he will be a much larger stronger randy!! people are saying brock cant finish a fight yet he has only been in two in the ufc! give him time to learn!

[5.0_CJ]

i like randy he is one of my fav fighters i know his record and wins im just saying i see alot of randy in brock and once brock learns to stay busy and works alitttle on dirty boxing he will be a much larger stronger randy!! people are saying brock cant finish a fight yet he has only been in two in the ufc! give him time to learn!

Hehe well, two fights is hardly enough experience in comparison to Randy - a legend. I agree that Lesnar is fucking massive and huge, and that alone is something difficult to deal with, but you can train and prepare for that. With Randy's years of experience and ability to create a great game plan and stick to it, the more difficult thing for Lesnar will be to anticipate what Randy is going to do... with Randy's toolbox he certainly is going to have his work cut out for him.

[bigbirdbryan21]

Hehe well, two fights is hardly enough experience in comparison to Randy - a legend. I agree that Lesnar is fucking massive and huge, and that alone is something difficult to deal with, but you can train and prepare for that. With Randy's years of experience and ability to create a great game plan and stick to it, the more difficult thing for Lesnar will be to anticipate what Randy is going to do... with Randy's toolbox he certainly is going to have his work cut out for him.
I AGREE, I DIDNT MEAN TO TOTALY COMPARE THE TWO JUST SAYING I SEE LESNAR BECOMING ALOT LIKE RANDY BUT BIGGER

[JKD]

I AGREE, I DIDNT MEAN TO TOTALY COMPARE THE TWO JUST SAYING I SEE LESNAR BECOMING ALOT LIKE RANDY BUT BIGGER



Stop posting in these threads. It's clear you have no idea what you are talkin about.

[silvercobra03]

Stop posting in these threads. It's clear you have no idea what you are talkin about.


lol you like saying that don't you :p

[5.0_CJ]

Need to keep this one on topic and stop the roid rants, etc.

Last time I heard about the Lesnar camp he was actively working on striking and takedown defense. What do you think is the best approach for randy against Lesnar? We know he is an accomplished wrestler... but how does he stack up to Randy? Also, how about the clinch? Randy loves dirty boxing, and that gives the advantage to the smaller man.

[ThreeFingerPete]

A simpleton ? Damn you are a fucking prick. Did I really insult your intelligence that much? After reviewing your posts in this thread, you just about disagree with everyone and then insult their intelligence when you fail to convince them of your opinion, I didn't even fucking disagree with you, I just gave a basic summary of 2 fights similarities - and they were very valid. Coming from someone who doesn't know you at all until this thread, I'd say you're a worthless tool with an inferiority complex. Get a grip you sloppy woman.


Don't get mad when I disagree with people who have little idea what they're talking about. Were there similarities between the two fights? Sure. Are there similarities between any two fights? Sure.

Last time I heard about the Lesnar camp he was actively working on striking and takedown defense. What do you think is the best approach for randy against Lesnar? We know he is an accomplished wrestler... but how does he stack up to Randy? Also, how about the clinch? Randy loves dirty boxing, and that gives the advantage to the smaller man.

I seriously doubt that Lesnar has to work too much on takedown defense considering he's going to have 50-70lbs on Randy and he's a great wrestler.

Dirty boxing gives the advantage to a smaller man? I must be confused, can you show any information to support that statement?

[5.0_CJ]

Don't get mad when I disagree with people who have little idea what they're talking about. Were there similarities between the two fights? Sure. Are there similarities between any two fights? Sure.



I seriously doubt that Lesnar has to work too much on takedown defense considering he's going to have 50-70lbs on Randy and he's a great wrestler.

Dirty boxing gives the advantage to a smaller man? I must be confused, can you show any information to support that statement?


The problem I have is your pompous smart ass self righteous holier than thou attitude. I guess you're the authority on MMA in the sports section, there is always some blow hard faggot trying to establish himself as the king dick, I guess that's you.

Shorter arms are an advantage at close range, it's one of the most basic rules of boxing. Don't let the smaller fighter close the gap. A smaller fighter will have the ability to do more in the clinch at close range while the larger fighter will not.

If you want to be considered someone that is knowledgeable you need to put your mouth on the back burner and actually attempt to explain your point of view, instead of slinging playground insults.

[ThreeFingerPete]

The problem I have is your pompous smart ass self righteous holier than thou attitude. I guess you're the authority on MMA in the sports section, there is always some blow hard faggot trying to establish himself as the king dick, I guess that's you.

Shorter arms are an advantage at close range, it's one of the most basic rules of boxing. Don't let the smaller fighter close the gap.

If you want to be considered someone that is knowledgeable you need to put your mouth on the back burner and actually attempt to explain your point of view, instead of slinging playground insults.

I'm not terribly concerned about your opinion of me so pardon me if I don't apologize fast enough.

The most basic rules of boxing are not the most basic rules of MMA. There are different things to take into consideration that in a boxing ring.
Being in close with a 300lb gorilla like Lesnar is a fine place to be unless that opponent uses a lot of knees/elbows (not likely coming from Lesnar) OR that opponent likes to clinch/pummel, you're going to find yourself in a real ugly position when you give up that much size.

[5.0_CJ]

I'm not terribly concerned about your opinion of me so pardon me if I don't apologize fast enough.

The most basic rules of boxing are not the most basic rules of MMA. There are different things to take into consideration that in a boxing ring.
Being in close with a 300lb gorilla like Lesnar is a fine place to be unless that opponent uses a lot of knees/elbows (not likely coming from Lesnar) OR that opponent likes to clinch/pummel, you're going to find yourself in a real ugly position when you give up that much size.

I am assuming that we're both acknowledging each of these opponents strengths and weaknesses. You've acknowledged that knees and elbows are not a likely thing from Lesnar. Randy is arguably one of the kings of dirty boxing, and since he is the smaller of the two, I believe he is at an advantage in that circumstances for two reasons a) he can do more in that position because of his size. b) he can do more in that position because of his experience.

If I were to take a guess at Randy's strategy, I wouldn't be surprised if that was a big part of it.

[ThreeFingerPete]

I am assuming that we're both acknowledge each of these opponents strengths and weaknesses. You've acknowledged that knees and elbows are not a likely thing from Lesnar. Randy is arguably one of the kings of dirty boxing, and since he is the smaller of the two, I believe he is at an advantage in that circumstances for two reasons a) he can do more in that position because of his size. b) he can do more in that position because of his experience.

If I were to take a guess at Randy's strategy, I wouldn't be surprised if that was a big part of it.

I'm sure you're right about his game plan, but the smaller fighter HAS to try to get inside on a larger fighter, he has no choice. I'm just saying that in MMA, closing the gap is not nearly the problem that it is in boxing. In boxing if a shorter fighter closes the gap and starts working you inside, you try to push him off, or hug him until the ref separates you and try not to take any shots when you're separated. I.E. early Tyson vs. anybody.

There are just a lot more considerations to take into account in MMA.


i like randy he is one of my fav fighters i know his record and wins im just saying i see alot of randy in brock and once brock learns to stay busy and works alitttle on dirty boxing he will be a much larger stronger randy!! people are saying brock cant finish a fight yet he has only been in two in the ufc! give him time to learn!

Want to know why everyone hates to watch Tim Sylvia fight? He's boring and doesn't try to finish fights anymore. Now Lesnar is less boring, but the time to learn to finish fights is before you're fighting some of the best fighters in the world. Nobody wants to watch Baby's first MMA class on PPV.

I think Brock is going to lose a lot of fans with all his bullshit showboating, myself included. It's not wrestling, it's not a bunch of 11 year old boys watching it. Fight like a professional and if you're going to gloat, gloat after you finish the fight.

[5.0_CJ]

I'm sure you're right about his game plan, but the smaller fighter HAS to try to get inside on a larger fighter, he has no choice. I'm just saying that in MMA, closing the gap is not nearly the problem that it is in boxing. In boxing if a shorter fighter closes the gap and starts working you inside, you try to push him off, or hug him until the ref separates you and try not to take any shots when you're separated. I.E. early Tyson vs. anybody.

There are just a lot more considerations to take into account in MMA.




Want to know why everyone hates to watch Tim Sylvia fight? He's boring and doesn't try to finish fights anymore. Now Lesnar is less boring, but the time to learn to finish fights is before you're fighting some of the best fighters in the world. Nobody wants to watch Baby's first MMA class on PPV.

I think Brock is going to lose a lot of fans with all his bullshit showboating, myself included. It's not wrestling, it's not a bunch of 11 year old boys watching it. Fight like a professional and if you're going to gloat, gloat after you finish the fight.

Yeah that showboating shit talking should have stayed in WWE. I couldn't believe he was so unprofessional with that shit - this isn't prosoap wresting - I thought a lot less of him after that - Was really excited and a fan before that happened.

[ThreeFingerPete]

Yeah that showboating shit talking should have stayed in WWE. I couldn't believe he was so unprofessional with that shit - this isn't prosoap wresting - I thought a lot less of him after that - Was really excited and a fan before that happened.


I'm pretty certain that someone important told him to knock that shit off, so let's hope that we don't see much more of that shit.

[5.0_CJ]

I'm pretty certain that someone important told him to knock that shit off, so let's hope that we don't see much more of that shit.

So, call this fight as you see it now.

I have it going one of two ways.


a) randy gets overwhelmed and KO'ed in the first round.

b) randy tires him out in the clinch takes him down and submits him.

[ThreeFingerPete]

So, call this fight as you see it now.

I have it going one of two ways.


a) randy gets overwhelmed and KO'ed in the first round.

b) randy tires him out in the clinch takes him down and submits him.
Couture is not going to submit anyone.

If there is anyone not to bet against, it's Couture. He's one of the smartest fighters around.

This fight goes the distance if only because Lesnar is huge and Couture probably won't be able to finish him, and Brock is a schmuck and will try to use his mass to just lay/control Couture and probably won't finish him UNLESS his striking improves DRASTICALLY.

[5.0_CJ]

Couture is not going to submit anyone.

If there is anyone not to bet against, it's Couture. He's one of the smartest fighters around.

This fight goes the distance if only because Lesnar is huge and Couture probably won't be able to finish him, and Brock is a schmuck and will try to use his mass to just lay/control Couture and probably won't finish him UNLESS his striking improves DRASTICALLY.

I wouldn't put a submission past him. I'm thinking what would he do - he has excellent game plans - and that's certainly not what people think he might do, but since the size differential and Lesnar's novice (frank mir submission) I think it might be a strategy. Couture can submit - van arsdale for instance. Just a thought.

[ThreeFingerPete]

I wouldn't put a submission past him. I'm thinking what would he do - he has excellent game plans - and that's certainly not what people think he might do, but since the size differential and Lesnar's novice (frank mir submission) I think it might be a strategy. Couture can submit - van arsdale for instance. Just a thought.

I wouldn't bet on much, but I would bet Couture isn't going to submit Lesnar. LOL Go check his record, I'm pretty sure Van Arsdale is his only submission win at least in the past few years.

[5.0_CJ]

I wouldn't bet on much, but I would bet Couture isn't going to submit Lesnar. LOL Go check his record, I'm pretty sure Van Arsdale is his only submission win at least in the past few years.


Just drumming up a possibility to further the conversation. What exactly was Couture's plan with Sylvia? I don't know if we ever saw it. He planned that opening strike, but he certainly wouldn't have assumed he would lay Tim's ass out like that and then spend the rest of the fight slapping his girly ass around on the ground. From my memory Couture isn't afraid to bang it out if he thinks the opponent doesn't expect it - but I'm not so sure if that's a good idea with Lesnar - honestly it would seem it wasn't a good idea with Liddell the 2nd and 3rd time - but I hold reservations on the outcomes of those two fights. Couture has said several times that he prefers to fight strikers because his game is more tailored to that. I also remember him saying when he was commentating the Gonzaga Cro Cop fight that he would rather not fight Gonzaga because he feels bigger wrestlers are a more difficult match for his style.

So, I would assume Lesnar, acknowledging Randy's superiority when it comes to ground and pound and the clinch and just overall knowledge, would probably decide his best bet is to just KO randy standing up.

[ThreeFingerPete]

You don't seem to get it. Lesnar is a HUGE, STRONG wrestler. He can't string punches or kicks together to save his life.

Couture's gameplan was to pick apart Sylvia's standup and work him on the ground. He did, and the only thing he didn't do was finish on a couple of times he had Sylvia rocked.

[5.0_CJ]

You don't seem to get it. Lesnar is a HUGE, STRONG wrestler. He can't string punches or kicks together to save his life.

Couture's gameplan was to pick apart Sylvia's standup and work him on the ground. He did, and the only thing he didn't do was finish on a couple of times he had Sylvia rocked.

With 3 fights I don't think anyone has a good grasp on Lesnar yet. I've consistently acknowledged Lesnar is inexperienced, however because he is a huge, strong guy, he damn sure has knockout power, in his three fights - kim, mir, and herring - he unleashed one hell of a hit - no one hasn't been fucked up by one of his hits in any fight, kim got pummeled, mir was a damn train wreck after just a few seconds, and saved his ass with the heel hook, and herring was minced, but he fought like hell. The man has some serious power when it comes to striking - he isn't technical, but from what I've seen it's dangerous as hell. Yeah, Couture has some damn good movement and he knows what he's doing. But like I've said it's a risk for Randy to get caught because he will almost certainly go down, and you don't want that vanilla gorilla on top of you when your fighting the birds. I think Lesnars best chance is to knock randy out, I don't think Lesnar will dominate the wrestling.

[ThreeFingerPete]

With 3 fights I don't think anyone has a good grasp on Lesnar yet. I've consistently acknowledged Lesnar is inexperienced, however because he is a huge, strong guy, he damn sure has knockout power, in his three fights - kim, mir, and herring - he unleashed one hell of a hit - no one hasn't been fucked up by one of his hits in any fight, kim got pummeled, mir was a damn train wreck after just a few seconds, and saved his ass with the heel hook, and herring was minced, but he fought like hell. The man has some serious power when it comes to striking - he isn't technical, but from what I've seen it's dangerous as hell. Yeah, Couture has some damn good movement and he knows what he's doing. But like I've said it's a risk for Randy to get caught because he will almost certainly go down, and you don't want that vanilla gorilla on top of you when your fighting the birds. I think Lesnars best chance is to knock randy out, I don't think Lesnar will dominate the wrestling.


What part of Lesnar is a fantastic wrestler do you not grasp? If there is anything that we can safely say about Lesnar, is that he is a great wrestler. Does he hit hard? Surely, but he doesn't hit as hard as his size would lead you to believe. Lesnar's ground control is solid but he doesn't know what to do to finish once he's on the ground. (see Herring). If Lesnar would have known how to strike even marginally, Mir would have been knocked THROUGH the floor of the cage, but since they were ineffective flailing punches, Mir was able to capitalize on a mistake with that Kneebar.

[5.0_CJ]

What part of Lesnar is a fantastic wrestler do you not grasp? If there is anything that we can safely say about Lesnar, is that he is a great wrestler. Does he hit hard? Surely, but he doesn't hit as hard as his size would lead you to believe. Lesnar's ground control is solid but he doesn't know what to do to finish once he's on the ground. (see Herring). If Lesnar would have known how to strike even marginally, Mir would have been knocked THROUGH the floor of the cage, but since they were ineffective flailing punches, Mir was able to capitalize on a mistake with that Kneebar.

Which is exactly why I keep hear that Lesnar's camp is training his striking. I know Lesnar is a good wrestler, but I honestly just don't think he can control Randy on the ground - even if he is that huge and strong. I would be willing to bet with all the hype and the spotlight Lesnar is going to try and make it a fireworks show.

[ThreeFingerPete]

Which is exactly why I keep hear that Lesnar's camp is training his striking. I know Lesnar is a good wrestler, but I honestly just don't think he can control Randy on the ground - even if he is that huge and strong. I would be willing to bet with all the hype and the spotlight Lesnar is going to try and make it a fireworks show.

You don't train do you?

[ThreeFingerPete]

Do you remember how easily he took Mir and Herring down? Just wondering.

[5.0_CJ]

Do you remember how easily he took Mir and Herring down? Just wondering.

I watched the fight again, I had thought Lesnar took Mir town with a strike, but it he did shoot for it. I haven't argued that he isn't a good wrestler, I just don't think it's his best approach for Randy, I could be wrong, but I see Lesnar as standing for this one.

[ThreeFingerPete]

I watched the fight again, I had thought Lesnar took Mir town with a strike, but it he did shoot for it. I haven't argued that he isn't a good wrestler, I just don't think it's his best approach for Randy, I could be wrong, but I see Lesnar as standing for this one.

Let's look at it this way

_____________Brock l Randy
Wrestling_______X_____X
Submissions
Strength _______X
Intelligence____________X
Striking_______________ X
Phallus on Chest _X
Conditioning___________X


That's pretty much how it stacks up to me. They are stacking a great wrestler with a lot of experience and solid standup against a younger, much bigger, much stronger wrestler with less experience and ZERO stand up technique.

Edit: My little diagram looks right on my screen. Oh well.

[10sec302]

Not sure how many people know this........


But Randy vs. Lesnar is NOT A TITLE FIGHT. The winner of the 2 will get a shot at the title, but on to other things.

People say that Lesnar doesnt deserve a title shot this soon, and I agree.......but lets look at Randy Couture.

Gets knocked out by Chuck...........
Retires from the UFC as a Light Heavyweight.........

Comes out of retirement as a Heavyweight straight into a title shot with Tim Sylvia. Does anyone think he deserved that ?

Randy Couture has been there, done that. He's a legend and has more class than any other MMA fighter I know.

On the other hand, look at his record, he's 16-8 meaning he's lost half as many fights as he's won. Randy doesnt do so well against bigger, stronger wrestlers so Lesnar MIGHT surprise us. I'll be rooting for Randy but this is MMA and anything can happen (Hense Chuck Liddell vs. Rashad Evans)......

Look at Frank Mir. He's 2-1 in his last 3 fights and who has he beaten to get a title shot with Nog ? The UFC has never set up the fights that fighters deserve due to ticket sales but when you're Dana White and you're worth 200 million, who cares ?

[The Big Matt]

Not sure how many people know this........


But Randy vs. Lesnar is NOT A TITLE FIGHT. The winner of the 2 will get a shot at the title, but on to other things.

People say that Lesnar doesnt deserve a title shot this soon, and I agree.......but lets look at Randy Couture.

Gets knocked out by Chuck...........
Retires from the UFC as a Light Heavyweight.........

Comes out of retirement as a Heavyweight straight into a title shot with Tim Sylvia. Does anyone think he deserved that ?

Randy Couture has been there, done that. He's a legend and has more class than any other MMA fighter I know.

On the other hand, look at his record, he's 16-8 meaning he's lost half as many fights as he's won. Randy doesnt do so well against bigger, stronger wrestlers so Lesnar MIGHT surprise us. I'll be rooting for Randy but this is MMA and anything can happen (Hense Chuck Liddell vs. Rashad Evans)......

Look at Frank Mir. He's 2-1 in his last 3 fights and who has he beaten to get a title shot with Nog ? The UFC has never set up the fights that fighters deserve due to ticket sales but when you're Dana White and you're worth 200 million, who cares ?

Mir's record is a little hard to call right now. Mir was in a motorcycle accident, and lost the title he had just won from Tim Sylvia. He wa unable to defend the title, and took almost two years off to heal. When he came back to the UFC he was a shell of the man he was before, out of shape, etc.

He came back lost a fight, won a fight, lost a fight, then showed up in the best shape he's been in a while. And wins two in a row. An in shape Mir definately deserves another shot at the title, and I think if anyone has a shot against Nog, it's him.

Randy lost the heavyweight belt to Ricco, then he stepped down to light heavyweight. Sure he deserved a title shot at Heavyweight again.

Also, go look at Randy's career. He started with the UFC and Kings fo the Ring, back when it was a tournament style setup, fighting multiple fights in the same day.

His major losses came to Josh Barnett, arguably one of the best heavyweights in the business, Ricco Rodriguez, who at the time was an awesome fighter, Vitor Belfort, by a cut, and 2 losses to Chuck Lidell.

It's not like he was losing against slouches.

Also his wins...
Wins over guys like Vitor Belfort, Jeremy Horn, Maurice Smith, Kevin Randleman, Pedro Rizzo, Tito Ortiz, Tim Sylvia, Van Arsdale, Gabriel Gonzaga.

That's a nice impressive list of higher calibur of fighters

[SS Junk]

Conditioning___________X

You can give that to him even though he's 45 and hasn't fought in over a year?

[The Big Matt]

You can give that to him even though he's 45 and hasn't fought in over a year?

Randy still trains and coaches daily. He has the best conditioning in the business, always has.

[SS Junk]

I still don't think his conditioning will be of the magnitude Lesner's is just on the fact of the age difference.

[5.0_CJ]

I still don't think his conditioning will be of the magnitude Lesner's is just on the fact of the age difference.

I couldn't agree with that honestly, I don't think I've ever seen Randy gas, ever. Lesnar has a pretty ferocious pace, we'll have to see.

[bigbirdbryan21]

I still don't think his conditioning will be of the magnitude Lesner's is just on the fact of the age difference.


thats whats been said about randy for the last fights and look at him go!! :rolleyes:

***im going to get alot of shit about this but bring it on i took it when i called forrest and ill take it now...


i think lesnar will win this fight! i cant see randy doing alot of dirty boxing in this bc lesnar is a wrestler and all wrestlers that are put in a bad spot that they
1.) cant control or
2.) arent used to
go back to wrestling. i see randy coming out boxing a little trying to push lesanr to the cage and lean in and ''dirty box" and at that point lesnar will defend with a take down, And with lesnars wrestling ability i dont see randy able to fight him off!

i do agree there wont be any submissions but not bc randy cant do it or doesnt have the ability. but bc he will try and resort to his basics when a huge ass gorilla is pounding down on him , basics being wrestling not jits!

and the conditioning can be tossed out the window both guys have full tanks and that wont be an issue in this fight...

lesnar by KO or STOPPAGE!

[bigbirdbryan21]

and has any one heard anything about rampage vs. wandy on the same card? heard it from a friend seeing if anyone else heard anything?

[dudeitstaylor]

and has any one heard anything about rampage vs. wandy on the same card? heard it from a friend seeing if anyone else heard anything?

Is Rampage out of jail yet? :confused:

[The Big Matt]

Is Rampage out of jail yet? :confused:

yeah, he's training in europe

[fomocosun]

Randy is the shit and lesnar will have his hands full on this one.the man with the better cardio will win this one.

[10sec302]

Randy is the shit and lesnar will have his hands full on this one.the man with the better cardio will win this one.


Randy has better cardio.

We havent truely seen Lesnars cardio. All he did was keep Heath Herring down so that doesnt justify as cardio.

If Lesnars tank empties fast, Randy will be the one who exposes it.
I dont count Randy out of any fight.

I say Randy by rear naked.

[The Big Matt]

I say Randy by rear naked.

now that makes no fucking sense at all

[gloomleader]

I thought Couture wasnt in the UFC anymore?? :confused:

[ThreeFingerPete]

I thought Couture wasnt in the UFC anymore?? :confused:

Old news, google it.

[SS Junk]

Randy has better cardio.
How do you know Randy has "better cardio" when you state:
We havent truely seen Lesnars cardio.
I say Randy by rear naked.
Esplain how that will happen...

[onemeangixxer7502]

God these posts remind me so much of sherdoggers all you tuf nubs crack me up.Everyone said Tim was to big for him.Never count a guy like him out.

[fomocosun]

God these posts remind me so much of sherdoggers all you tuf nubs crack me up.Everyone said Tim was to big for him.Never count a guy like him out.

Randy does his home work there is no doubt about it.He will be ready just like always.

[juicedcobra]

Lesnar cant hang with a technical guy like that, we all seen how Mir beat his ass in round 1

[ThreeFingerPete]

God these posts remind me so much of sherdoggers all you tuf nubs crack me up.Everyone said Tim was to big for him.Never count a guy like him out.
Tim is not a good fighter when he can't use his weight to lay on people. Randy is in far too good of condition and way too smart to allow that to happen.

Lesnar cant hang with a technical guy like that, we all seen how Mir beat his ass in round 1

I wouldn't say Mir beat his ass. He caught Lesnar slipping and snatched that knee bar, but almost NOBODY loses to knee bars unless they don't know how to defend them.

[SS Junk]

God these posts remind me so much of sherdoggers all you tuf nubs crack me up.Everyone said Tim was to big for him.Never count a guy like him out.
omgyouropinionisfarmorelegitthananyoneelseslikewho a...

[Pro Trash]

I am going with Randy on this one not to take anything away from Brock but Randy has proven he can successfully change his fighting style. When he beat Tim S. no one expected him to beat him with his hands. He dominated that match on his feet where most predicted if he won it would be by submission.

Brock has a great wrestling back ground but nothing more or less impressive then Randy look below for details.

Randy has a High School State Championship, three-time Olympic team alternate 88, 92 and 96 a semifinalist at the 2000 Olympic Trials; 3 time NCAA Division-I All-American and 2 time NCAA Division-I runner-up at Oklahoma State University.

Lesner won the Jr College National Title in 98, 99 NCAA Div 1 runner up, 2000 NCAA Div I champion, 2 time National Jr College Wrestler of the year.

[dudeitstaylor]

Lesnar cant hang with a technical guy like that, we all seen how Mir beat his ass in round 1

Lesnar pounded Mir's face to a pulp. Lesnar by any account beat the shit out of mir.

[AbecX]

...how Mir caught him in round 1
Fixed... -_-
Lesnar pounded Mir's face to a pulp. Lesnar by any account beat the shit out of mir.
Except for the account that mattered. Lesnar did dominate big time for a good 80 seconds, though.

[SS Junk]

Lesnar pounded Mir's face to a pulp. Lesnar by any account beat the shit out of mir.
He may have been trying to strike, but it was not all that effective. Mir was not "rocked" by any stretch of the word. When the time out was called for the blow to the back of the head Mir was still extremely coherent.
Now I hope Lesner wins just on the fact it will piss off a whole bunch of people.

[AbecX]

Mir was not "rocked" by any stretch of the word.
How do you figure? He was knocked on his ass from lesnars punch after the bullshit point reduction for strikes to the head.

[The Big Matt]

I wouldn't say Mir was "rocked", but he was definately taking a pounding.

Here's a post fight pic

http://wrestlingrant.spruz.com/user/149930/frankmirbustedopen.jpg

[SS Junk]

How do you figure? He was knocked on his ass from lesnars punch after the bullshit point reduction for strikes to the head.
I think you're mixing up your fights. Lesner didn't start striking Mir until Lesner got him to the ground. Mir was defending himself, per sa, but there were no signs of Mir becoming loopy from any of Lesner's strikes.

[AbecX]

I think you're mixing up your fights. Lesner didn't start striking Mir until Lesner got him to the ground. Mir was defending himself, per sa, but there were no signs of Mir becoming loopy from any of Lesner's strikes.
... Even the announcer states "AND LESNAR ROCKS MIR", watch the damn fight, granted he wasn't 'knocked out' but it hit him hard enough to where he lost his footing which equals 'rocked' in my book.

[SS Junk]

Yeah I missed that minor blow. As stated earlier though I really don't think it "rocked" him in the slightest. I believe because this was such a sensationalistic circuis Goldberg was taken aback. It's his job to hype up the action and Rogan's to do the play-by-play.
You also heard Rogan saying "Lesnar has to be very careful..." over and over again and then...

[5.0_CJ]

Brock Lesnar talks about his upcoming clash with Randy Couture.


On getting the opportunity to face Randy Couture for the title...

"I'm very excited....it's been a good training camp. I'm just ready to do this.

"It's one of these things where I'm honored to even step in the Octagon with Randy...Hopefully, there is a lot of people watching. It's an exciting thing for myself."

On his preparations for the fight...

"We've watched every single one of Randy's fights a number of different times...we've watched a lot of film on him..."

"He has trouble with bigger guys...guys that knew how to control him...Tim sylvia and Gonzaga didn't know how to control him."

"I would have to say that, you know, I'm a huge threat to him. I've got a reach advantage and a power advantage...Randy hasn't knocked anyone out and neither have I...I would have to think he's gonna be scared of these big ol' soup cans that are going to be coming at him."

On what weight he plans on entering the Octagon...

"About 275. Between 75 and 80."

On his training and advantages...

"We're younger. We're stronger. We're faster...this guy is on his way out and we're going to make sure it happens."

"I had to scramble...I lost a couple of guys that had been with my camp...I wasn't expecting to fight this soon...I've got Cole Conrad...Brad Imes in this last week...I brought some Jiu Jitsu guys in...a guy by the name of Brian Kramer...he wrestled Randy before."

On some of Kim Couture's comments...

"I'm glad he's got a supporting wife."

On Randy's comments that he would put Lesnar on his back...

"I hope he does try to take me down...I'm surrounded by great athletes and great wrestlers that can't take me down. Hopefully, in his mind, he comes prepared and if he gets me down, he's gonna have a hell of a time keeping me down...I'm coming to this fight knowing that I'm going to dominate this fight..."

His thoughts on Mazzagatti...

"He failed to do his job that night and we're not going to let that happen again."

"He won't ref any of my fights in the future!"

On walking out when asked about steroids...

"It's one of those things where I've been accused of using steroids my entire life...I've never once have ever given any indication that I use or abuse steroids...I've never failed a drug test...if I were a black guy and looked the way I do, would I get asked this question...I just happen to be a white guy with great genetics..."

On Mir vs. Nogueira...

"To me, it's a toss up I guess...Nogueira's a tough guy...I don't know...for me, I hope Mir wins because I want a rematch against Frank."


More in the full article:

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content3728.html

[JKD]

As much as I hate to say it cuz I HATE Brock Lesnar, I think he's going to beat Randy. Randy wont be able to lean on Lesnar or stay on top of Lesnar and submissions from his back arent his strong point. Who ever fights Lesnar is going to need to be able to fight from their back or be able to KO him standing up.

[ThreeFingerPete]

On walking out when asked about steroids...

"It's one of those things where I've been accused of using steroids my entire life...I've never once have ever given any indication that I use or abuse steroids...I've never failed a drug test...if I were a black guy and looked the way I do, would I get asked this question...I just happen to be a white guy with great genetics..."


At least he didn't lie and say he'd never used!

[MachX2]

discuss.

lesnar sucks end of story.

[bigbirdbryan21]

As much as I hate to say it cuz I HATE Brock Lesnar, I think he's going to beat Randy. Randy wont be able to lean on Lesnar or stay on top of Lesnar and submissions from his back arent his strong point. Who ever fights Lesnar is going to need to be able to fight from their back or be able to KO him standing up.


wow your prediction has turned and now it looks like brock on top???? :D

looks like the people you say have no idea what they are talking about actually make sence when you look at it huh?!! :eek:

[AbecX]

Everyone knows I'm a huge lesnar fanboy, but man that guys talking all sorts of trash lately lmfao. Guys so full of himself its almost bad ass.

[bigbirdbryan21]

okay check out some vids to second guess my bets and....

his footwork is horrible (he has very heavy feet) and he doesnt respect peoples wrestling so his back is open!

thats his flaws! thats it!!!!

i go with brock he has prob 50+ pounds on randy with just as much agility and has huge hands that come fast and hard! the only hope randy has is to survive the first few min (bc brock will prob come out ape shit and try to smash him) and make brock miss and counter strong with straight blows and lots and lots of leg kicks! :D

[SS Junk]

It's curtains for Couture...

[JKD]

wow your prediction has turned and now it looks like brock on top???? :D

looks like the people you say have no idea what they are talking about actually make sence when you look at it huh?!! :eek:


It had nothing to do with you and I do my best to ignore everyone of your posts.

[idrivea4banger]

so where can i see this fight besisdes the titty bars??? ive got a kegger to go to on sat night and they wont be showing this fight there.

[5.0_CJ]

We're heading to Buffalo Wild Wings in Arlington to watch this fight... anyone interesting in joining up?

Also, check out biography - they have a new episode on Randy, and it's very good - I really enjoyed learning more about him.

[BOOSTED32V]

Also, check out biography - they have a new episode on Randy, and it's very good.
Yeah it was an Ok show, but they didn't show any of the fight highlights only still shots? :confused: Does the UFC really hate him that much, they act like they are the NFL or something :rolleyes:

[5.0_CJ]

Yeah it was an Ok show, but they didn't show any of the fight highlights only still shots? :confused: Does the UFC really hate him that much, they act like they are the NFL or something :rolleyes:
copyrighted material - zuffa would have charged them fees. And I would assume this was produced during the time Couture was in litigation with the UFC, also adding to the difficulty.

[idrivea4banger]

We're heading to Buffalo Wild Wings in Arlington to watch this fight... anyone interesting in joining up?

Also, check out biography - they have a new episode on Randy, and it's very good - I really enjoyed learning more about him.


ok so thats one of my choices, any other places around irving?!?! i dont want to drink a few beers and make a long as drive to the kegger. if its close i can get a DD. ive got some lazy DD's that dont like going far. :D

[5.0_CJ]

We have 13 headed to Buffalo Wild Wings on cooper and I-30 tonight, we'll show up at 7-7:30 to get their early so we have seats.

[borntoboogie]

ok so,keep us up with who wins.. :D

[Skidmark]

ok so,keep us up with who wins.. :D

True dat... i'm working right now with no access to anything fun.

[AbecX]

http://www.mmahacks.com/video/live-stream.html

Legit, need to install p2p video player plugin

[Yellowstang]

WTF was that, they kissed on the lips after the fight! :eek:

[momo stallion]

http://www.mmahacks.com/video/live-stream.html

Legit, need to install p2p video player plugin

thanks internet god!

[AbecX]

Nevada State Athletic Commission executive director Keith Kizer has revealed to the Los Angeles Times that both Randy Couture and Brock Lesnar are guaranteed $250,000 each. Additionally, Couture is to be paid $250,000 if he wins with Lesnar set to receive $200,000 should he be victorious.

It is important to note that both Couture and Lesnar stand to earn substantially more for their efforts in tonight’s fight. Both Couture and Lesnar will be eligible to win fight night bonuses such as cash rewards for “Fight of the Night,” “Knockout of the Night,” and “Submission of the Night.” Based on UFC president Dana White’s stated projection of 1.2 million pay-per-view buys, the promotion could give a record total in fight night bonuses.

Also, while not confirmed, based on past contract provisions, both Couture and Lesnar are expected to receive a percentage of PPV revenue generated from tonight’s fight. MMAScoops.com is reporting that when it’s all said and done, both Couture and Lesnar are expected to make seven figures a piece from UFC 91.

[JKD]

Here we go, its about to start!

[JKD]

Go Randy!! He's Exhausted! Finish Him!

[JKD]

Fuck!

[AbecX]

asfg/jaslng. kuhfgskuihsa'sdg'sdjg asdsf asdfasd


LESNAR

[lowthreeohz]

oh snap!

[agiraldo]

Who won????

[JKD]

Who won????


Lesnar. :mad:

[lowthreeohz]

rocked randy then hammerfisted him like 15 times from a sidemount. ouch!

[agiraldo]

Fuck ughhhh how?

[lowthreeohz]

should have watched it for free on www.mmahacks.com like cruz posted

[JKD]

Fuck ughhhh how?


Lucky punch. Randy had him exhausted after the first round, but all it takes is one punch sometimes. DAMMIT! :mad:

[AbecX]

Lucky punch ahahahahahahaaa
rocked randy then hammerfisted him like 15 times from a sidemount. ouch!
150* lmfao

[lowthreeohz]

Cruz, you got my $$?

[dmh165638]

Lucky punch. Randy had him exhausted after the first round, but all it takes is one punch sometimes. DAMMIT! :mad:

Lucky punch combined with some nice luck elbows, knees, and other punches!

[JKD]

Lucky punch ahahahahahahaaa

150* lmfao


You're on dope if you think it was anything otherwise. He was exhausted even before the first round ended.

[AbecX]

You're on dope if you think it was anything otherwise. He was exhausted even before the first round ended.
http://www.tanbot.com/wp-content/uploads/tanbot/2008/02/crying-baby.jpg

[JKD]

http://www.tanbot.com/wp-content/uploads/tanbot/2008/02/crying-baby.jpg


Enjoy it while you can TUF noob. He won't hold that belt long. Next he's either gotta face Nog who is almost as big as he is with sick submissions or Mir whom he has already lost to.

[AbecX]

Enjoy it while you can TUF noob. He won't hold that belt long. Next he's either gotta face Nog who is almost as big as he is with sick submissions or Mir whom he has already lost to.
Either match is going to be fucking awesome i cant wait.

[5.0_CJ]

unbiased observations:

* Randy controlled Lesnar in round 1, period - I didn't count a single strike landed by Lesnar.

* Lesnar rocked randy briefly in the beginning of the second round, randy again tied up and nullified Lesnar for a short period.

* As I expected, if Randy would lose this fight, it would be because he got caught, and he did.

* I believe Randy is a better wrestler than Lesnar after seeing that fight.

Congrats to Lesnar, he beat Randy, but honestly, he didn't have a good showing of his abilities.

[SS Junk]

Lesner is so "lucky" he should change his name to Jesus.






























:rolleyes:

[jlyon]

it was fun watching that fight, alot better then the last fight i watched...........Kimbo

[BOOSTED32V]

FUCK BROCK! :mad:

Randy was winning the fight until that elbow and later the final punch to the rear of his head, Brock doesn't deserve that title, this will be proven in a few months!

[ruffdaddy]

I'm not sure if some of you guys watched the same fight I did...but by no means was that a lucky fucking punch. You don't just get "lucky" punches like that on a guy with that much experience. Especially a punch that will drop a guy to the mat like that.

Yes...Lesnar was tired...but not exhausted. Did you not see the outburst at the end there when he manhandled randy? A tired fighter wont throw punches that fast that hard for that long on an unresponsive fighter.

I honestly didn't expect the fight to end like this either...but lets not act like the fight was a fluke. Lesnar shows promise after all.

[SS Junk]

Lesnar once again fought smart. During the first round instead of trying to make something happen he let Randy work and waited for the round to end. Maybe not what a veteran fighter would do, but it looks like Lesnar is familiar with his limits and was able to adjust. If anything Randy was lucky that punch wasn't about 2.5" more to the left, and I don't believe for a second Brock was gassed.
I am amazed almost the entire fight was stand up. Totally unexpected and am impressed with Brock's stand up.

it was fun watching that fight, alot better then the last fight i watched...........Kimbo
You see what I was telling you earlier? :D

[AbecX]

ALL PUNCH KO'S ARE LUCKY TO MMA ENTHUSIASTS IF THEIR FAVORITE GUY WITH YEARS OF EXPERIENCE LOSES.

Here is another lucky punch:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v680/smittan/Misc/BrockLesnarVsHeathHerring.gif

[FRANCISCO308]

Lucky punch. Randy had him exhausted after the first round, but all it takes is one punch sometimes. DAMMIT! :mad:
x2

[Adam]

Say what you want but Lesnar is still a freak of nature. I just watched it on mmahacks and it looked like Randy would've ended up winning the match on points, but Brock just got his ass at the right time.

[HoLLoWkaTZ]

Say what you want about Brock, but he is going to be difficult to beat for anyone. I'm not saying he is pretty to watch, he presents alot of problems with his size and speed. Frank Mir took advantage of his inexperience in his first fight, although Mir was being destroyed for a the whole time leading up to it. He can only get better. I think Nog's would beat him, but I think if he fough Mir a second time he would win.

[revoautowerks]

Anyone have a link to the fight? Im too lazy to dig around for it

[Juiced89lx]

crazy fight!

brock is a fucking beast

lol @ lucky punch

[Zfan]

Couture is a much loved fighter who has been around for a long. long time and people hate it when someone like that loses to a newbie to the sport. Lesner has a long way to go but when he finally gets there he will be a beast to contend with.

In the sport of MMA anyone can beat anybody on any given night. This was simply Brocks night. Give him his due, he won fair and square. It might not be the same next time around and that is why we watch ;)

[The Big Matt]

the only thing lucky about that punch was that he threw it...

Honestly Brock knew he was outclassed in most aspects of the fight, other than he was bigger, stronger, and hit harder. Looks like he won on his strengths.

Now Randy can walk away no questions asked.

[Wario]

If you throw a punch and it lands how is that lucky?

[lowthreeohz]

heh... it doesn't make sense it was lucky, unless his eyes were closed and he was just swinging his arms aimlessly.

it wasn't lucky.. randy did control lesnar a lot of the fight but he didn't do much damage either, and it seemed like randy was eating a counter punch on every exchange.

[ruffdaddy]

heh... it doesn't make sense it was lucky, unless his eyes were closed and he was just swinging his arms aimlessly.

it wasn't lucky.. randy did control lesnar a lot of the fight but he didn't do much damage either, and it seemed like randy was eating a counter punch on every exchange.
haha yes....especially if the shot was aimed at the head, landed on the head, and had the power to drop the guy like that. I thought the fight was gonna be called sooner to...randy's head must have bounced off the mat a good 5 times before it was called.

And you could tell that Randy's entire game plan was to just wear lesnar down...buy leaning on him against the fence. I think lesnar was just too big...It was nearly impossible for him to get lesnar to the ground.

[turboten5]

Im a big Fan of both wwe and ufc but i didnt know Brock was with Sable

[silvercobra03]

88'RAGTOP I think I won again.

[88'RAGTOP]

88'RAGTOP I think I won again.
You did dang it i am getting worked on my bets lately!
As far as the fight I think Randy was doing well even the punch that put him down he slipped it and it wound up just catching him. Oh well i think the size difference was rediculous.

[silvercobra03]

You did dang it i am getting worked on my bets lately!
As far as the fight I think Randy was doing well even the punch that put him down he slipped it and it wound up just catching him. Oh well i think the size difference was rediculous.

I might do something with you on the Mir fight.

[AbecX]

Im a big Fan of both wwe and ufc but i didnt know Brock was with Sable
They've been together a LONG time, I think back when he was in WWE, she's preggers now.

[JKD]

Would you fuckers allow me my anger please and quit over examining everything. lol.

[AbecX]

ITS LIKE SEB BEAT JKD THIS TIME

[dudeitstaylor]

Enjoy it while you can TUF noob. He won't hold that belt long. Next he's either gotta face Nog who is almost as big as he is with sick submissions or Mir whom he has already lost to.

Not sure if you watched the Mir fight, but Brock was beating the living shit out of mir till Brock's inexperience got him caught in a sub. If brock and Mir fight again, I believe Brock will absolutely demolish Mir.

[silvercobra03]

Not sure if you watched the Mir fight, but Brock was beating the living shit out of mir till Brock's inexperience got him caught in a sub. If brock and Mir fight again, I believe Brock will absolutely demolish Mir.

I agree I don't think Mir would look forward to fighting Brock again.

[idrivea4banger]

just watched, damn!! :eek:


lesnar paced himself well. he didnt go in bum rushing like his first fights. hes shown a lot of improvement. i was hoping to see more of his ground game but seeing them duke it out was good too. lesnars size was just too much for randy. lesnars a fucking beast and force to be dealt with.

[Juiced89lx]

http://i38.tinypic.com/16bei2o.gif http://i38.tinypic.com/2r7n0b8.gif

[bigbirdbryan21]

LMAO

AND LUCKY PUNCH?

his hands are fuckin massive and randys head just didnt get out of the way!! his face did, but not his head lol :D

AND randy didnt manhandle brock at all the wrestling (like i thought) was equal and the stand up was where randy had a slight advantage!
(slight advantage bc it was power vs skill and in this case power won!)

[5.0_CJ]

LMAO

AND LUCKY PUNCH?

his hands are fuckin massive and randys head just didnt get out of the way!! his face did, but not his head lol :D

AND randy didnt manhandle brock at all the wrestling (like i thought) was equal and the stand up was where randy had a slight advantage!
(slight advantage bc it was power vs skill and in this case power won!)

really? not at all? So Lesnar didn't land 1 hit in the first round because of strategy? come on man.

[dudeitstaylor]

really? not at all? So Lesnar didn't land 1 hit in the first round because of strategy? come on man.

No, but he did when it mattered.

[ToRqUeTwIsTeR]

Who gives a shit.....ITS OVER! Pay Up bitches and stop whining!

[avinson]

Can't stand Lesner. :mad: That fight did nothing but piss me off. I knew he would win but i was hoping for a miracle. For someone to win 3 fights and then have a shot at the championship title is not fair. At least in my opinion. :mad:

[Nate]

Can't stand Lesner. :mad: That fight did nothing but piss me off. I knew he would win but i was hoping for a miracle. For someone to win 3 fights and then have a shot at the championship title is not fair. At least in my opinion. :mad:
He only won 2 fights before he got a title shot.

[AbecX]

For someone to win 3 fights and then have a shot at the championship title is not fair. At least in my opinion. :mad:
Randy shot himself in the foot on that one. When you just walk out and bail because you're not being put in on the 'big fights' then when you come back Dana's going to give you the biggest fight in his bag of tricks which was Lesnar. Dana really played his cards right on this one, it doesn't matter who wins or loses the lesnar/randy or mir/nog fight because either two of those four to reunify the belt is going to be a huge draw, hell this PPV was scheduled to do 1.2 million from Dana ( the biggest previous was tito/liddell which did 1.05 ( the only mma ppv to ever do over 1 mill )) and I can only imagine that the next one with lesnar headlining to reunify the belt is going to just as well.

Keep in mind this isnt a tournament, its a business and money is what counts.

[poopnut2]

Eh, Lesnar won. Did he win 2 fights in the UFC or was one of the wins in another league? It's total BS that a 1-1 fighter in the UFC got a belt fight, but oh well. The human tank, beat up Randy (John McClain) Couture. Anyone that fights a dude that weighs 70 lbs more than him has balls IMO. The heavy weight division is pretty thin in the UFC so Brock will probably keep his belt for a while. I'm definitely looking forward to the rest of the fights this year.

[Cartman]

crazy fight!

brock is a fucking beast

lol @ lucky punch
that is what i am saying, brock hit him over and over with clean shots from the start. that wasn't a lucky punch that was just power.

[Yellowstang]

Well, at least they had their eyes closed, but still, WTF??? :eek:

Wrong on so many levels...

[JKD]

that is what i am saying, brock hit him over and over with clean shots from the start. that wasn't a lucky punch that was just power.




Riiiiiight.



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[Nate]

Steve I hate Brock as much as any other longtime MMA fan but he caught Randy with a good punch (wasn't lucky) and dazed him enough so he could do his lil hammer fist rain. It wasn't a lucky shot.

[JKD]

Steve I hate Brock as much as any other longtime MMA fan but he caught Randy with a good punch (wasn't lucky) and dazed him enough so he could do his lil hammer fist rain. It wasn't a lucky shot.



Yup, I'm sure he meant for that to happen. lol.

[Nate]

Yup, I'm sure he meant for that to happen. lol.
You mean for a punch to land? What are you getting at? It's not like he had a blind fold on and was throwing wild hay makers...it's a straight right :confused:

[cryptic5.0]

unbiased observations:

* Randy controlled Lesnar in round 1, period - I didn't count a single strike landed by Lesnar.

* Lesnar rocked randy briefly in the beginning of the second round, randy again tied up and nullified Lesnar for a short period.

* As I expected, if Randy would lose this fight, it would be because he got caught, and he did.

* I believe Randy is a better wrestler than Lesnar after seeing that fight.

Congrats to Lesnar, he beat Randy, but honestly, he didn't have a good showing of his abilities.
agreed.

[JKD]

You mean for a punch to land? What are you getting at? It's not like he had a blind fold on and was throwing wild hay makers...it's a straight right :confused:



Your lack of actual experience is showing here.

[Nate]

Your lack of actual experience is showing here.
Well we are just going to have to agree to disagree. I don't see how you can with a straight face say it was a lucky punch.

[regaltip]

Lesnar just threw a punch and Randy got caught because Randy took a bad position... Lesnar by no means is a better overall MMA fighter than Randy.

[Nate]

Lesnar just threw a punch and Randy got caught because Randy took a bad position... Lesnar by no means is a better overall MMA fighter than Randy.
So is it a lucky punch then? I never once thought Lesnar is even in the same ball park as Randy as an overall MMA fighter.

[regaltip]

So is it a lucky punch then? I never once thought Lesnar is even in the same ball park as Randy as an overall MMA fighter.

What else would you call it?

[Nate]

What else would you call it?
A straight right...if it's lucky every punch that anyone lands can be a "lucky punch"

[regaltip]

A straight right...if it's lucky every punch that anyone lands can be a "lucky punch"

So let me ask you a Straight Right can't be a lucky punch? Because your saying that it was meant to be?

[Nate]

So let me ask you a Straight Right can't be a lucky punch? Because your saying that it was meant to be?
I'm saying Lesnar through a punch aimed at Randy and it landed.

[AbecX]

JKD, if you're saying that the punch was lucky, you're insulting Randy... He's been boxing since before I was born.

also, you're stating that pure strength is better than all those stupid names for ground games and counter escape moves to get out of getting knocked the fuck out...

"OH SHIT HIS RUBBER GUARD HAS HIM IN A LALAPOLOOZA"
"THATS RIGHT, HES 15 YEAR BLACK BELT IN BUDAPEST JIU JITSU TRAINED UNDER THE LEGEDNARY GOKU-SAMA"
"I HEARD HE ONCE TRAVELED TO MOUNT FIJI AND BODY SLAMMED 84 MONKS TO LEARN THIS MOVE"

^ all this was thrown down the drain by a 'lucky punch' from America, cause thats what Lesnar is, America. You a commie?

[JKD]

JKD, if you're saying that the punch was lucky, you're insulting Randy... He's been boxing since before I was born.

also, you're stating that pure strength is better than all those stupid names for ground games and counter escape moves to get out of getting knocked the fuck out...

"OH SHIT HIS RUBBER GUARD HAS HIM IN A LALAPOLOOZA"
"THATS RIGHT, HES 15 YEAR BLACK BELT IN BUDAPEST JIU JITSU TRAINED UNDER THE LEGEDNARY GOKU-SAMA"
"I HEARD HE ONCE TRAVELED TO MOUNT FIJI AND BODY SLAMMED 84 MONKS TO LEARN THIS MOVE"

^ all this was thrown down the drain by a 'lucky punch' from America, cause thats what Lesnar is, America. You a commie?


Have even tried any of the "stupid names for ground games" to have any sort of credibilty to add to that arguement? I think not. You know nothing about any of the combative arts. Just switch your TV back to TNT and stay in your happy place of ignorance.

[JKD]

I'm saying Lesnar through a punch aimed at Randy and it landed.


It was glancing blow off of the side/back of his neck. He missed with fist and just hit Randy with his weight in his arm. Obviously not something he meant to do.

[AbecX]

Have even tried any of the "stupid names for ground games" to have any sort of credibilty to add to that arguement? I think not. You know nothing about any of the combative arts. Just switch your TV back to TNT and stay in your happy place of ignorance.
Ouch man, just because you're wrong doesn't mean you have to resort to name calling and finger poking. Are you going to challenge me to chest thumping after reading this post?

PS. TNT RULEZ

[JKD]

Ouch man, just because you're wrong doesn't mean you have to resort to name calling and finger poking. Are you going to challenge me to chest thumping after reading this post?

PS. TNT RULEZ


I'll take that as a no.

[Mr. Smith]

The punch was right behing the ear.

[AbecX]

I'll take that as a no.
please, i watch UFC on spike all the time, I know whats going on!

[JKD]

please, i watch UFC on spike all the time, I know whats going on!



RAWR! You're a badass armchair warrior fo sho!

[JKD]

The punch was right behing the ear.


It slid right off his neck lol. Rewatch it, you'll see what the actual impact was that hurt him, it's when the forarm and elbow hit him after his big ol hand slid off his neck.

It's a moot point. Lesnar won, doesn't mean I have to like it. I'll wait for Nog to rip off of one of his arms.

[Cartman]

It was glancing blow off of the side/back of his neck. He missed with fist and just hit Randy with his weight in his arm. Obviously not something he meant to do.
did the punch land? did it land somewhere other than the head, where the punch was thrown?

what happened was randy wasn't quick enough to duck or dodge that punch, nor the elbow in the 1st round. he was getting hit from the start, all he could do was try to wear him down with the holding on the cage and leaning into him. Randy got rocked, and from the looks of it never really fully recovered. it happens to the best of them.

[Mr. Smith]

It slid right off his neck lol. Rewatch it, you'll see what the actual impact was that hurt him, it's when the forarm and elbow hit him after his big ol hand slid off his neck.

It's a moot point. Lesnar won, doesn't mean I have to like it. I'll wait for Nog to rip off of one of his arms.


For sure, but I disagree about the punch. I can't find the gif of the view from the other side but you can clearly see Brock's hand bouncing off of Randy's head.

[AbecX]

JKD why are you taking this so personal?

[Cartman]

It slid right off his neck lol. Rewatch it, you'll see what the actual impact was that hurt him, it's when the forarm and elbow hit him after his big ol hand slid off his neck.

It's a moot point. Lesnar won, doesn't mean I have to like it. I'll wait for Nog to rip off of one of his arms.
you mean the indian burn he got from the forearm after the punch hit him? lol you are about as bad as hook em and svtvenom

[Mr. Smith]

It slid right off his neck lol. Rewatch it, you'll see what the actual impact was that hurt him, it's when the forarm and elbow hit him after his big ol hand slid off his neck.


That didn't slide off his neck. That was a good shot to the head.

http://i36.tinypic.com/23k5baa.jpg

[Cartman]

That didn't slide off his neck. That was a good shot to the head.

http://i36.tinypic.com/23k5baa.jpg
you are wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong....lol great find on the vid :D

[Wario]

^

That for all you noobs calling it a "lucky" punch is what you call a two piece. Brock fought a good fight. Had this been a few years ago who knows, fact is Brock is going to be a tough fight for anyone. That fight showed he is now an mma fighter and not just a side show.

[avinson]

I did not know there was a such thing as a lucky punch. :confused: Ya get hit or you don't. It's that simple.

[bcoop]

FUCK Brock Lesnar.

[SS Junk]

Reads like there are a few people in here who feel just a bit threatened that an All American wrestler can actually compete in MMA.

[unkoricky]

LOL @ lucky punch

I hate Brock Lesnar but he won fair & square. You Couture stans need to get over it and stop saying it was a lucky punch.. I actually thought Couture was going to win after the 1st because you could obviously see Lesnar was wearing down.

[bigbirdbryan21]

wow this thread is funny as shit!!! lol

1st i like randy has been a fav of mine from the start (even before he was winning) but brock is a massive force and its going to take alot to beat him! the shot was not exactly what he planned on when he threw the 1-2 punch but his intent was to put randy down and by that he accomplished what he was throwing it for!

2nd SHUT THE FUCK UP about brock not earning the shot at the belt! thats the biggest load of shit ive ever heard! who the fuck in here actually fights mma? who makes money fighting mma? and actually looks forward to chances fighting in the ufc or another big organization?

THEN shut the fuck up!!!!

you have no right to bitch that a guy skipped over some other fighters who have failed to catch the eye of the people that count!
i fight in mma and as a person who is trying to make it to the bigger stages and actually have the right to bitch, i dont care!! the man has trained his ass off in college and in the pro wrestling shows and he got a chance to fight in the UFC and he made it count! whats the big deal?

and JKD you are a retard! you give you opinion thats is exactly that an opinion and b/c people dissagree they have no idea about anything!!! get real you damn idiot! it seems to me that you dont know what the fuck your talking about!

[SS Junk]

LMAO
AND randy didnt manhandle brock at all the wrestling (like i thought) was equal and the stand up was where randy had a slight advantage!
(slight advantage bc it was power vs skill and in this case power won!)
I agree to that to a certain extent. I think Brock's wrestling skills are on par w/ Randy's. I think Brock still lacks the confidence it takes to handle another MMA wrestler type like Couture and therefore he played it smart and didn't try anything over the top. I fully believe if he wanted to he could've taken Randy down, but at what price? (I'm not even sure that makes any sense) :)
It looks like Brock is a bit lost when it comes to certain situations. I'm wondering if it's because he may still feel a little out of his element?

[AbecX]

Just thought i'd post the latest news:

The Nevada State Athletic Commission has announced Brock Lesnar and Randy Couture both tested clean in their post-UFC 91 drug tests, which screened for steroids and recreational drugs.

Also:

Preliminary estimates put UFC 91 in the 800,000-850,000 range. If those numbers hold up, it will be the second biggest UFC buyrate ever. It did not do the 1.2 million that White predicted, but still apparently did great business according to sources. A final number likely won't be out for several weeks.

The common thought was that it would do over 1,000,000, will have to see when the final numbers when they get here.

[94StangFiveO]

Just thought i'd post the latest news:



Also:



The common thought was that it would do over 1,000,000, will have to see when the final numbers when they get here.
Let us know when there's final #. I'm curious myself.